Vantage - Shopfloor terminals - SOLVED

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Turns out this is due to crl.verisign.net validating the certificate. Since our MES terminals have internet access blocked the .Net Epicor client can't validate but keeps trying. The following has been added to the mfgsys.exe.config as the first line in the runtime section:

<generatePublisherEvidence enabled="false"/>

We've tested it on several machines and it appears to have solved our issue.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <jlisser@...> wrote:
>
> We are using a GPO to force IE to use a bad proxy - only problem is, it's taking up to 2 minutes before MES comes up for a log in.
>
> If I take the user out of the container with the GPO or log in as myself, MES pops right up.
>
> I did notice in the config file there are https links . I removed those URLs, leaving "" for the path. No change.
>
> You mentioned in an earlier post to force the same GPO we are - curious if you enforced it... and if you did, were the users seeing long delays before MES launched afterwards?
>
> Jenn
>
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Hi All

Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.

Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.

We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of these
very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).

At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.

An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for the
users as there are more things to press and more things that can go wrong.

What you you use?

What would you recommend?

Thanks.




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Get a thin client, and use it with TS not messy at all and transparent to
the user.

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi All
>
> Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
>
> Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
>
> We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of
> these
> very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
>
> At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
>
> An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for the
>
> users as there are more things to press and more things that can go wrong.
>
> What you you use?
>
> What would you recommend?
>
> Thanks.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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How do you configure the think client to connect automatically to TS?

Also are their any thin clients that you recommend?

I assume the spec wouldnt need to be as great as a normal PC?

What OS?

Thanks.




________________________________
From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 12:12:11
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals

Get a thin client, and use it with TS not messy at all and transparent to
the user.

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
 <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
 <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*



On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi All
>
> Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
>
> Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
>
> We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of
> these
> very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
>
> At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
>
> An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for the
>
> users as there are more things to press and more things that can go wrong.
>
> What you you use?
>
> What would you recommend?
>
> Thanks.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>Â
>


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You can put the shortcut RDP in the Windows Startup folder so it
automatically loads TS upon Win Login. We use HP thin clients and they
work great.



We also have a few of the small-form-factor touchscreen PC's that run
the full MES client (www.pioneerpos.com <http://www.pioneerpos.com/> ).




They both have their benefits, but the thin client is a good way to go.



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 7:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals





How do you configure the think client to connect automatically to TS?

Also are their any thin clients that you recommend?

I assume the spec wouldnt need to be as great as a normal PC?

What OS?

Thanks.

________________________________
From: Jose Gomez <jose@... <mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 12:12:11
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals

Get a thin client, and use it with TS not messy at all and transparent
to
the user.

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@... <mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com>
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez>
<http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez>
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...
<mailto:chriselectrix%40ymail.com> >wrote:

>
>
> Hi All
>
> Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
>
> Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
>
> We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some
of
> these
> very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
>
> At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
>
> An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy
for the
>
> users as there are more things to press and more things that can go
wrong.
>
> What you you use?
>
> What would you recommend?
>
> Thanks.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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The thin clients I use come from HP , fairly affordable, you can make them
connect on start up automatically. They run either Windows CE or a Version
of Linux but that is transparent to the user.
Basically plug them in, configure them (through a GUI) and you are done. To
the user it looks like a regular computer since you are basically remoting
into a TS
These are the ones we use.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02d/12454-12454-321959.html?jumpid=in_r2515_us/en/smb/psg/psc404redirect-ot-xx-xx-/chev/

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Vic Drecchio <vic.drecchio@...>wrote:

>
>
> You can put the shortcut RDP in the Windows Startup folder so it
> automatically loads TS upon Win Login. We use HP thin clients and they
> work great.
>
> We also have a few of the small-form-factor touchscreen PC's that run
> the full MES client (www.pioneerpos.com <http://www.pioneerpos.com/> ).
>
> They both have their benefits, but the thin client is a good way to go.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris Thompson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 7:59 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals
>
> How do you configure the think client to connect automatically to TS?
>
> Also are their any thin clients that you recommend?
>
> I assume the spec wouldnt need to be as great as a normal PC?
>
> What OS?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jose Gomez <jose@... <mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com> >
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 12:12:11
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals
>
> Get a thin client, and use it with TS not messy at all and transparent
> to
> the user.
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@... <mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com>
> http://www.josecgomez.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez>
> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez>
> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...
> <mailto:chriselectrix%40ymail.com> >wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
> >
> > Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
> >
> > We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some
> of
> > these
> > very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
> >
> > At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
> >
> > An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy
> for the
> >
> > users as there are more things to press and more things that can go
> wrong.
> >
> > What you you use?
> >
> > What would you recommend?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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you can pick up some used WYSE thin clients. I think the old ones can be had
for around $100 each. they are configurable to connect to a TS
automatically.

We have about 30 Thin client users here. They dont notice much of a
difference for the simple tasks.





On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 08:26:07 +0000 (GMT)
Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...> wrote:
Hi All

Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.

Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.

We are looking to replace a couple of them and were
considering some of these
very small form factor units (low budget due to low
spec).

At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC
directly.

An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts
getting messy for the
users as there are more things to press and more things
that can go wrong.

What you you use?

What would you recommend?

Thanks.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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We have some older Neoware thin clients that we use. Work great for that
application. I have the connection startup automatically when they turn the
thin client on.



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Nick
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals





you can pick up some used WYSE thin clients. I think the old ones can be had

for around $100 each. they are configurable to connect to a TS
automatically.

We have about 30 Thin client users here. They dont notice much of a
difference for the simple tasks.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 08:26:07 +0000 (GMT)
Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@... <mailto:chriselectrix%40ymail.com> >
wrote:
Hi All

Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.

Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.

We are looking to replace a couple of them and were
considering some of these
very small form factor units (low budget due to low
spec).

At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC
directly.

An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts
getting messy for the
users as there are more things to press and more things
that can go wrong.

What you you use?

What would you recommend?

Thanks.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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> You can put the shortcut RDP in the Windows Startup folder so it
> automatically loads TS upon Win Login. We use HP thin clients and they
> work great.

Instead of giving full Remote Desktop, has anyone made Epicor/Vantage
a TS-Remote Application on Server 2008? For an example, see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf20-76dMcg

Mark W.
10
We use wireless throughout the site - how do these thin clients work with
wireless?




________________________________
From: Nick <nick@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 14:36:30
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals

Â
you can pick up some used WYSE thin clients. I think the old ones can be had
for around $100 each. they are configurable to connect to a TS
automatically.

We have about 30 Thin client users here. They dont notice much of a
difference for the simple tasks.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 08:26:07 +0000 (GMT)
Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...> wrote:
Hi All

Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.

Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.

We are looking to replace a couple of them and were
considering some of these
very small form factor units (low budget due to low
spec).

At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC
directly.

An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts
getting messy for the
users as there are more things to press and more things
that can go wrong.

What you you use?

What would you recommend?

Thanks.

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You'll have to look around, but they do make wireless thin clients.

Sent from my iPhone.

On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...> wrote:

> We use wireless throughout the site - how do these thin clients work with
> wireless?
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nick <nick@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 14:36:30
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals
>
>
> you can pick up some used WYSE thin clients. I think the old ones can be had
> for around $100 each. they are configurable to connect to a TS
> automatically.
>
> We have about 30 Thin client users here. They dont notice much of a
> difference for the simple tasks.
>
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 08:26:07 +0000 (GMT)
> Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
>
> Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
>
> We are looking to replace a couple of them and were
> considering some of these
> very small form factor units (low budget due to low
> spec).
>
> At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC
> directly.
>
> An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts
> getting messy for the
> users as there are more things to press and more things
> that can go wrong.
>
> What you you use?
>
> What would you recommend?
>
> Thanks.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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WYSE terminals on a Terminal Server are one of the more popular terminals I
have seen used.

I am not sure which model specifically they have used, but they find them
good for shop floors for a few reasons.

1- Smaller, don't take up as much space and can be mounted to an LCD
monitor.
2- Power, they use a lot less than a full PC
3- Almost no moving parts and smaller airflow openings, less damage can be
done to them than a full PC from air based dust etc on the shop floor.
4- Cost, depending on how many and what kind of deal you can get, they cost
between $400-600 compared to more expensive desktops.
5- Management is on the TS, reduces what an employee can do to mess up the
OS and reduces "update" problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Chris Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 3:26 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals

Hi All

Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.

Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.

We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of
these very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).

At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.

An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for the
users as there are more things to press and more things that can go wrong.

What you you use?

What would you recommend?

Thanks.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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13
We've been buying off-lease Dell desktop systems for around $400 from
Systime, and now a local company selling from the same channel. We get
a full PC (which has its ups and downs), but in our shop floor
environment this means we can deal with a variety of USB and GPIB cards
for various test instruments, etc. and have a standard system pretty
much identical to the majority of end-user systems out there.

Yeah they're running XP, but even with support ending for XP in 2014
they're still a good deal, and at that point who knows what kind of
client terminal we might want to gradually replace them with.

-bws

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ned
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals

WYSE terminals on a Terminal Server are one of the more popular
terminals I
have seen used.

I am not sure which model specifically they have used, but they find
them
good for shop floors for a few reasons.

1- Smaller, don't take up as much space and can be mounted to an LCD
monitor.
2- Power, they use a lot less than a full PC
3- Almost no moving parts and smaller airflow openings, less damage can
be
done to them than a full PC from air based dust etc on the shop floor.
4- Cost, depending on how many and what kind of deal you can get, they
cost
between $400-600 compared to more expensive desktops.
5- Management is on the TS, reduces what an employee can do to mess up
the
OS and reduces "update" problems.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Chris Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 3:26 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals

Hi All

Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.

Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.

We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of
these very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).

At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.

An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for
the
users as there are more things to press and more things that can go
wrong.

What you you use?

What would you recommend?

Thanks.




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We bought a cheap server for our terminal server. We evaluated WYSE clients but found the HPs were better priced. The HPs also come with free software to manage them all remotely, including imaging on the fly. Once you get one configured properly, you can also back its configuration up to a flash drive, pop in another one, and restore it. All you have to do then is change the unit's name or customize the RDP ID and/or password if you desire.

Check out the HP t5325 clients. They ran $180 each when we bought them. I think I set them up with the kiosk mode, which gave the users no local things to click. When you turn them on, they immediately load the RDP client to the terminal server. If there's a power outage or interruption, the MES portion continues on the terminal server and the thin clients simply resume the RDP connection when it comes back online. They work great. Haven't had a problem with them and been running for a year now.

They also offer a wireless adapter that can be plugged in to the USB port but we haven't tested it.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
>
> Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
>
> We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of these
> very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
>
> At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
>
> An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for the
> users as there are more things to press and more things that can go wrong.
>
> What you you use?
>
> What would you recommend?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
15
We've picked up an Acer with Linux Lincup (or similar) OS running on it.

What's our best approach to get it to go straight to RDP or TS Client and load
up so the user has no control over the Thin Client software so to them they
literally turn the client on and it looks like they are logging or (or logged
on) to windows / MES?

Thanks.




________________________________
From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 13:38:22
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals

The thin clients I use come from HP , fairly affordable, you can make them
connect on start up automatically. They run either Windows CE or a Version
of Linux but that is transparent to the user.
Basically plug them in, configure them (through a GUI) and you are done. To
the user it looks like a regular computer since you are basically remoting
into a TS
These are the ones we use.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02d/12454-12454-321959.html?jumpid=in_r2515_us/en/smb/psg/psc404redirect-ot-xx-xx-/chev/


*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez>Â <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
 <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
 <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*



On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Vic Drecchio <vic.drecchio@...>wrote:

>
>
> You can put the shortcut RDP in the Windows Startup folder so it
> automatically loads TS upon Win Login. We use HP thin clients and they
> work great.
>
> We also have a few of the small-form-factor touchscreen PC's that run
> the full MES client (www.pioneerpos.com <http://www.pioneerpos.com/> ).
>
> They both have their benefits, but the thin client is a good way to go.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris Thompson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 7:59 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals
>
> How do you configure the think client to connect automatically to TS?
>
> Also are their any thin clients that you recommend?
>
> I assume the spec wouldnt need to be as great as a normal PC?
>
> What OS?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jose Gomez <jose@... <mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com> >
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 12:12:11
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals
>
> Get a thin client, and use it with TS not messy at all and transparent
> to
> the user.
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@... <mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com>
> http://www.josecgomez.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez>
> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez>
> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...
> <mailto:chriselectrix%40ymail.com> >wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
> >
> > Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
> >
> > We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some
> of
> > these
> > very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
> >
> > At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
> >
> > An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy
> for the
> >
> > users as there are more things to press and more things that can go
> wrong.
> >
> > What you you use?
> >
> > What would you recommend?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>Â
>


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------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note:Â You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.%c2%a0

(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links






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How do you all lock down your server so when the clients TS to it they have no
permissions to write to e.g. the C drive etc?

Thanks,




________________________________
From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 12:12:11
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals

Get a thin client, and use it with TS not messy at all and transparent to
the user.

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
 <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
 <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*



On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi All
>
> Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
>
> Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
>
> We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of
> these
> very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
>
> At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
>
> An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for the
>
> users as there are more things to press and more things that can go wrong.
>
> What you you use?
>
> What would you recommend?
>
> Thanks.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>Â
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note:Â You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.%c2%a0

(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links






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GPO is the way to go. Microsoft has a nice document that lists all the TS
relevant settings.

Overview of TS security
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/confirmation.aspx?familyid=402a0cd1-9e4d-4007-8eaf-c30623e71250&displaylang=en

List of relevant GPOs and such
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/confirmation.aspx?FamilyID=7f272fff-9a6e-40c7-b64e-7920e6ae6a0d&DisplayLang=en

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...>wrote:

>
>
> How do you all lock down your server so when the clients TS to it they have
> no
> permissions to write to e.g. the C drive etc?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 12:12:11
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals
>
> Get a thin client, and use it with TS not messy at all and transparent to
> the user.
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...
> http://www.josecgomez.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez
> >
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <
> http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
> >
> > Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
> >
> > We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of
> > these
> > very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
> >
> > At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
> >
> > An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for
> the
> >
> > users as there are more things to press and more things that can go
> wrong.
> >
> > What you you use?
> >
> > What would you recommend?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
>
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
18
We used GPO on the TS but even locked it down further by setting a bogus DNS IP to prevent any web surfing. There are a lot of workarounds to getting a web browser to open.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...> wrote:
>
> How do you all lock down your server so when the clients TS to it they have no
> permissions to write to e.g. the C drive etc?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 12:12:11
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals
>
> Get a thin client, and use it with TS not messy at all and transparent to
> the user.
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...
> http://www.josecgomez.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
> Â <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> Â <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
> >
> > Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
> >
> > We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of
> > these
> > very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
> >
> > At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
> >
> > An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for the
> >
> > users as there are more things to press and more things that can go wrong.
> >
> > What you you use?
> >
> > What would you recommend?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >Â
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note:Â You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.%c2%a0
>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
19
Force IE to use a bad proxy instead. No browsing, without all the annoyance
of broken DNS.
There are also simple tools available to do process blacklisting.


On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM, brucewbrannan <bruce.brannan@...>wrote:

>
>
> We used GPO on the TS but even locked it down further by setting a bogus
> DNS IP to prevent any web surfing. There are a lot of workarounds to getting
> a web browser to open.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...> wrote:
> >
> > How do you all lock down your server so when the clients TS to it they
> have no
> > permissions to write to e.g. the C drive etc?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
>
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 12:12:11
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - Shopfloor terminals
> >
> > Get a thin client, and use it with TS not messy at all and transparent to
> > the user.
> >
> > *Jose C Gomez*
> > *Software Engineer*
> > *
> > *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> > E: jose@...
>
> > http://www.josecgomez.com
> > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <
> http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
> > <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <
> http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> > <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> > <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> >
> > *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
> > >
> > > Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
> > >
> > > We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of
> > > these
> > > very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
> > >
> > > At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
> > >
> > > An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for
> the
> > >
> > > users as there are more things to press and more things that can go
> wrong.
> > >
> > > What you you use?
> > >
> > > What would you recommend?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have
> > already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
>
> > Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> >
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Is there any way to get a thin client (that is connected to a server via
terminal services) to log off or shut down when Epicor MES is exited?




________________________________
From: brucewbrannan <bruce.brannan@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 9 February, 2011 20:25:58
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage - Shopfloor terminals

Â
We bought a cheap server for our terminal server. We evaluated WYSE clients but
found the HPs were better priced. The HPs also come with free software to manage
them all remotely, including imaging on the fly. Once you get one configured
properly, you can also back its configuration up to a flash drive, pop in
another one, and restore it. All you have to do then is change the unit's name
or customize the RDP ID and/or password if you desire.

Check out the HP t5325 clients. They ran $180 each when we bought them. I think
I set them up with the kiosk mode, which gave the users no local things to
click. When you turn them on, they immediately load the RDP client to the
terminal server. If there's a power outage or interruption, the MES portion
continues on the terminal server and the thin clients simply resume the RDP
connection when it comes back online. They work great. Haven't had a problem
with them and been running for a year now.

They also offer a wireless adapter that can be plugged in to the USB port but we
haven't tested it.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> Our shopfloor terminals are gradually dying.
>
> Originally they were ex-office PCs which we used.
>
> We are looking to replace a couple of them and were considering some of these
> very small form factor units (low budget due to low spec).
>
> At present we have Epicor MES installed on the PC directly.
>
> An option would be to us TS to a server but it starts getting messy for the
> users as there are more things to press and more things that can go wrong.
>
> What you you use?
>
> What would you recommend?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







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