Vantage - waiting in line

system · May 31, 2002, 11:34am

OK. I already have that much. I have the rudiments of an auto-start-stop batchfile, but it gets hung up sporatically due to the Event Log for some reason. I know other's use a macro editor to automate the process - even to the point of changing the name of the database to TEST, and a date.

There was a thread about all this on the list a few months ago.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Katzenberger
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Troy,

In talking to Norm it is not automatic. Every night we run the bacvan
utility before we run back up. Then in the morning before the office staff
starts bangning at the keyboards he stops the test data base and runs the
resore utility restore the current db to the test db. The resore utility
source and destination directories are in the batch file.

Wayne

PS: Norm correct me if I'm wrong! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Does it automatically shut down and restart Test Vantage during the process,
and are you using Progress Explorer or Procontol? We use Procontrol and I
have had a hard time getting the batch file to properly shut down and
restart the service.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Katzenberger
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

My side kick, Norm Watkins, has a batch file to do this function. I'll
make
sure he posts it for you.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We do the same thing, except that ours is a week old usually. How do you
update your test database, Wayne? Do you have it automated?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Katzenberger
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Gary,

We have a 24 hour old copy of our db running along side our live side.
It
is useful for folks that are brousing for info and not entering data.
As
ops manager I use the 24 hour old data quite often. Granted it is not
current but in many cases it is good enough for Horse Shoes and Hand
Grenades.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting
only
if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could
pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having
partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min.
It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We
gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay
in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10
or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between
these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to
have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list
of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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system · May 28, 2002, 2:07pm

One of my Vantage users sent me this email message a few minutes ago:

1) Can a queue be set up for access to Vantage so we donÂ’t have to waste so
much time trying to gain access?
2) Is there a way to see who is on Vantage so that wishful users can
ascertain that all logged on users are active?

I don't know. Maybe I'm asking too much, but I think there's a market
opportunity here. We are up against the wall on our licenses. People are
beginning to have to wait to get into Vantage. We're using Mike Podlin's
Timeout utility, and that helped, until the Vantage access and workload
increased significantly recently. The majority of our Vantage users are
active in Vantage all day. And we have about 2 people too many for the
number of licenses we have. So I'm getting an ever-growing number of people
who can't seem to get in. I end up going into ProMon and checking for hung
processes, but generally there are none I could delete to let somebody in.

So my questions are these:

1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able to login to
Vantage when a license seat becomes available?

2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could access it from
their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

3) Can Vantage user activity be monitored / broadcast?

4) Any other suggestions for workarounds on this?

5) Or do I tell them they'll have to spring for a couple of more licenses?

Thanks,
Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

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system · May 28, 2002, 2:50pm

Gary,

I'd also be very interested in utilities along these lines. We are having
the same issues. Checked on license prices - another $8000 for 3 additional
licenses plus the $1750 a year in maintenance (calculated with install
price, not discounted purchase price). That's a lot to sign off on. We
ended up cranking Podlin's timeout utility down to 15 minutes. We haven't
had any complaints about people not being able to get in, but now they are
upset about getting kicked out too early. They do prefer it this way as
opposed to no access to Vantage at all.

Christopher Gitzlaff
Manager - Information Systems & Technology
Major Industries, Inc.
Phone: 715-842-4616
Fax: 715-848-3336

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:07 PM
To: Vantage Group
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

One of my Vantage users sent me this email message a few minutes ago:

1) Can a queue be set up for access to Vantage so we don't have to waste so
much time trying to gain access?
2) Is there a way to see who is on Vantage so that wishful users can
ascertain that all logged on users are active?

I don't know. Maybe I'm asking too much, but I think there's a market
opportunity here. We are up against the wall on our licenses. People are
beginning to have to wait to get into Vantage. We're using Mike Podlin's
Timeout utility, and that helped, until the Vantage access and workload
increased significantly recently. The majority of our Vantage users are
active in Vantage all day. And we have about 2 people too many for the
number of licenses we have. So I'm getting an ever-growing number of people
who can't seem to get in. I end up going into ProMon and checking for hung
processes, but generally there are none I could delete to let somebody in.

So my questions are these:

1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able to login to
Vantage when a license seat becomes available?

2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could access it from
their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

3) Can Vantage user activity be monitored / broadcast?

4) Any other suggestions for workarounds on this?

5) Or do I tell them they'll have to spring for a couple of more licenses?

Thanks,
Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

system · May 28, 2002, 3:02pm

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

system · May 28, 2002, 3:31pm

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

system · May 28, 2002, 4:39pm

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting only if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

system · May 29, 2002, 10:12am

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting only if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

system · May 29, 2002, 10:55am

I thought the time-out only worked if someone hadn't used Vantage (i.e. no
network activity) in the time-out period? Am I off-base here?

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 7:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting only if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

system · May 29, 2002, 11:12am

Lydia,

My WAG is that Thad means that if the Accountant lets a transaction sit
there partially completed with 30 min of inactivity, they time out.
Transaction is half finished. Data is half there. Might get sticky when
dealing with finances. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

I thought the time-out only worked if someone hadn't used Vantage (i.e. no
network activity) in the time-out period? Am I off-base here?

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 7:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting only if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

system · May 29, 2002, 1:35pm

We have had a couple of situations in Accounting where the the person opened up a Group, then went to the file cabinet to look up an invoice or something, then got distracted. When they went back they had been kicked out by Mike's Timeout. Later, they went back to the Group which had a number of items in it. The group would never post. Even after moving every item out of the group to another group, it wouldn't post. It took awhile to figure out that the timeout utility was the culprit. Epicor sent instructions to us for killing the orphaned group.

We have cranked up the Timeout time for accounting for that reason. Also, the Progress timeout (and maybe Mike's too) utility does not look at mouse activity, it looks at Progress inquiries (or maybe windows opening/closing), so you could even be working on your computer and moving your mouse and have Vantage in the background and you might get kicked out of Vantage.

It's something to specifically watch in the accounting area. We haven't had problems in other areas, however.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Polvinale
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Lydia,

My WAG is that Thad means that if the Accountant lets a transaction sit
there partially completed with 30 min of inactivity, they time out.
Transaction is half finished. Data is half there. Might get sticky when
dealing with finances. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

I thought the time-out only worked if someone hadn't used Vantage (i.e. no
network activity) in the time-out period? Am I off-base here?

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 7:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting only if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · May 29, 2002, 1:53pm

Helpful info, Troy. I've cranked up Accounting to 800 min. Most at 15 min.
Some heavy users at 60 min. Can't do much more than that.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:34 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We have had a couple of situations in Accounting where the the person opened
up a Group, then went to the file cabinet to look up an invoice or
something, then got distracted. When they went back they had been kicked
out by Mike's Timeout. Later, they went back to the Group which had a
number of items in it. The group would never post. Even after moving every
item out of the group to another group, it wouldn't post. It took awhile
to figure out that the timeout utility was the culprit. Epicor sent
instructions to us for killing the orphaned group.

We have cranked up the Timeout time for accounting for that reason. Also,
the Progress timeout (and maybe Mike's too) utility does not look at mouse
activity, it looks at Progress inquiries (or maybe windows opening/closing),
so you could even be working on your computer and moving your mouse and have
Vantage in the background and you might get kicked out of Vantage.

It's something to specifically watch in the accounting area. We haven't had
problems in other areas, however.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Polvinale
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Lydia,

My WAG is that Thad means that if the Accountant lets a transaction sit
there partially completed with 30 min of inactivity, they time out.
Transaction is half finished. Data is half there. Might get sticky when
dealing with finances. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Lydia Coffman [mailto:lcoffman@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

I thought the time-out only worked if someone hadn't used Vantage (i.e. no
network activity) in the time-out period? Am I off-base here?

Lydia

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 7:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting only
if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between
these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to
have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

system · May 31, 2002, 9:29am

Gary,

We have a 24 hour old copy of our db running along side our live side. It
is useful for folks that are brousing for info and not entering data. As
ops manager I use the 24 hour old data quite often. Granted it is not
current but in many cases it is good enough for Horse Shoes and Hand
Grenades.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting only if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

system · May 31, 2002, 9:35am

We do the same thing, except that ours is a week old usually. How do you update your test database, Wayne? Do you have it automated?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Katzenberger
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Gary,

We have a 24 hour old copy of our db running along side our live side. It
is useful for folks that are brousing for info and not entering data. As
ops manager I use the 24 hour old data quite often. Granted it is not
current but in many cases it is good enough for Horse Shoes and Hand
Grenades.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting only if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · May 31, 2002, 10:31am

My side kick, Norm Watkins, has a batch file to do this function. I'll make
sure he posts it for you.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We do the same thing, except that ours is a week old usually. How do you
update your test database, Wayne? Do you have it automated?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Katzenberger
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Gary,

We have a 24 hour old copy of our db running along side our live side. It
is useful for folks that are brousing for info and not entering data. As
ops manager I use the 24 hour old data quite often. Granted it is not
current but in many cases it is good enough for Horse Shoes and Hand
Grenades.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting only
if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between
these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to
have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

system · May 31, 2002, 10:36am

Does it automatically shut down and restart Test Vantage during the process, and are you using Progress Explorer or Procontol? We use Procontrol and I have had a hard time getting the batch file to properly shut down and restart the service.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Katzenberger
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

My side kick, Norm Watkins, has a batch file to do this function. I'll make
sure he posts it for you.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We do the same thing, except that ours is a week old usually. How do you
update your test database, Wayne? Do you have it automated?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Katzenberger
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Gary,

We have a 24 hour old copy of our db running along side our live side. It
is useful for folks that are brousing for info and not entering data. As
ops manager I use the 24 hour old data quite often. Granted it is not
current but in many cases it is good enough for Horse Shoes and Hand
Grenades.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting only
if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min. It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10 or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between
these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to
have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · May 31, 2002, 11:30am

Troy,

In talking to Norm it is not automatic. Every night we run the bacvan
utility before we run back up. Then in the morning before the office staff
starts bangning at the keyboards he stops the test data base and runs the
resore utility restore the current db to the test db. The resore utility
source and destination directories are in the batch file.

Wayne

PS: Norm correct me if I'm wrong! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Does it automatically shut down and restart Test Vantage during the process,
and are you using Progress Explorer or Procontol? We use Procontrol and I
have had a hard time getting the batch file to properly shut down and
restart the service.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Katzenberger
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

My side kick, Norm Watkins, has a batch file to do this function. I'll
make
sure he posts it for you.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We do the same thing, except that ours is a week old usually. How do you
update your test database, Wayne? Do you have it automated?

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Katzenberger
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Gary,

We have a 24 hour old copy of our db running along side our live side.
It
is useful for folks that are brousing for info and not entering data.
As
ops manager I use the 24 hour old data quite often. Granted it is not
current but in many cases it is good enough for Horse Shoes and Hand
Grenades.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Thanks Thad, I hadn't thought of that. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:41 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

It would be wise to time full time folks - esp.. those in accounting
only
if
absolutely necessary. A time out in the middle of a transaction could
pose
some problems, though probably only minor annoyances like having
partially
entered records.

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Polvinale [mailto:garyp@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

Chris, Brian,

Right now I have most people cranked down to 30 min. But I guess it's
back-against-the-wall-time - I'll squeeze the Timeout down to 15 min.
It
seems to be working for you guys. Thanks. -Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Boyes [mailto:brianb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:57 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage - waiting in line

We use Mike Podlin's utility here as well and we found that the best
approach was to find the users who *really* used Vantage all day. We
gave
them a longer timeout of about an hour. The other users who would stay
in
Vantage all day didn't really need to, so we turned their timeout to 10
or
15 minutes. In our shop, we probably have about a 50/50 split between
these
two types.

People complained at first, but they got used to it. From a cost
justification standpoint, it was a lot less of a timewaster for them to
have
to restart Vantage then have an IT person (i.e. me) go through the list
of
current users trying to find someone who could be kicked.

Brian Boyes,
Systems Administrator,
Precision Resource Canada Ltd.
<http://www.precisionresource.com>
<mailto:brianb@...>

> 1) How would one go about setting up a queue for being able
> to login to
> Vantage when a license seat becomes available?
>
> 2) Can ProMon be set up as read only, so the users could
> access it from
> their workstations, to view Vantage license activity?

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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