Web Services

system · April 17, 2012, 12:18pm

Jose,

When I do this in Service Connect, I send the Company, the key fields (and a few more fields), I set the OrderNum = 0 and RowMod = A. I don't know if this will help or not, but that is how I create an order header via Service Connect.

FYI,
Karen Schoenung

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:29 AM
To: Vantage
Subject: [Vantage] Web Services

I know this is generally above what most people here are doing but I am
going to ask ways and maybe I'll get Lucky.

On the regular BO's if you call GetNew IE GetNewOrderHed

You get back an OrderDataSet with a new pre-filled OrderHed record on it
such as

OrderDataSet.OrderHed[0].OrderNum=0 etc..

On the webservices that doesn't seem to be happening if I call

GetNewOrderHed on the webservices, the dataset I get back is Null

Anyone know what gives? I have a way around it by adding my own entries
manually but I thought the whole point of the Web Services was to replicate
what the BO Does

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system · October 21, 2005, 5:06pm

Has anyone out there used web services from a VB.Net front end to connect to
the Vantage 8 Business Objects/Data? If so, could you give some guidance to
get started. I have install the PartService web service and created the .vb
file from the WSDL document, but when I try to used the GetByID method, I
get an error that says 'Invalid User Credentials'.

--David Nash
Information Systems Manager
The GSI Group
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system · May 17, 2006, 9:17am

I've seen a few messages posted about the Vantage Web Services and
thought I would let everyone know our experience with them. We're
currently in the processing of going completely live on V8, meaning that
we have some functions (Purchasing, Receiving, AP) on V8, the rest on
V5.2. From the V5.2 side we've customized the quoting process to a
point where we need to re-write something for V8. In the mean time
we're developing an interface to "copy" quotes from V5.2 to V8. When we
re-write our quoting applications the intent was to utilize the Vantage
web services, since that's what they are for. Needless to say, they
don't work.

If you think the application is slow and buggy, you haven't
seen anything until you try and utilize the web services. Overall all
the web services are worthless and I wouldn't recommend anyone to waste
time with them. Some of them work for the basic functions, but are
really, really slow, timeout sometimes (especially the first time), etc.
Our rollout has been delayed because of the web services at least 4
months. To make manners worse the documentation is very, very limited
and the support department isn't anywhere near able to support customers
that try and use them; Epicor has even tried to charge us for support
calls, even though we are under premier maintenance support. I've
talked to many, many people in Epicor and they all tell me that they
want to solve the problem, help us, etc. but when it comes down to it,
NOTHING, just lip service. It went so far that a VP won't even return
my phone calls now, since she knows they can't support their product (my
opinion here).

Why am I telling everyone this? Well first off, I hope that
no-one else tries to go down this road and ends up at the same place we
are at now. We are completely scrapping everything we have that
accesses their web services. We then are going to implement our own web
services that go directly to the Vantage business object layer, thus
by-passing their web services layer. Our initial tests have revealed
the following:

Epicor web service:

GetDatasetForTree Time: 1.6880 seconds

Update Time: 3.8590 seconds

The direct business object call:

GetDatasetForTree Time: 0.8590 seconds

Update Time: 0.5940 seconds

If anyone needs more info about the web services, what we've
discovered, etc. just let me know.

Donald D. Bricker

Director, Information Technology

Main Phone: 330-477-6707 x158

Direct Phone: 330-479-4258

Direct Fax: 330-479-3202

Web: www.OhioGratings.com
<http://www.ohiogratings.com/>

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system · May 17, 2006, 10:00am

We are still on Vantage 6.1, but will begin testing 8.0 in the future
(soon I hope). I too plan on looking deep into the Webservices and what
they are capable of. My own experiences with Microsoft webservices have
been good, so it makes me wonder what they are doing so wrong that makes
it take so much time.

In reading other threads about the .NET client interface, I can't help
but think that maybe they are trying to open a massive webservice object
with alot of startup code in the Initialize code. The less you have to
do at startup is better for performance. Anyway, I hope to have a
better understanding of their logic once we get a test server up and
running. We plan on getting the Developer SDK kit, so we should have
access to the underlying webservice code that Epicor wrote.

Andrew Reed
Crestview Aerospace Corp.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Don Bricker
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:21 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Web Services

I've seen a few messages posted about the Vantage Web Services and
thought I would let everyone know our experience with them. We're
currently in the processing of going completely live on V8, meaning that
we have some functions (Purchasing, Receiving, AP) on V8, the rest on
V5.2. From the V5.2 side we've customized the quoting process to a
point where we need to re-write something for V8. In the mean time
we're developing an interface to "copy" quotes from V5.2 to V8. When we
re-write our quoting applications the intent was to utilize the Vantage
web services, since that's what they are for. Needless to say, they
don't work.

If you think the application is slow and buggy, you haven't
seen anything until you try and utilize the web services. Overall all
the web services are worthless and I wouldn't recommend anyone to waste
time with them. Some of them work for the basic functions, but are
really, really slow, timeout sometimes (especially the first time), etc.
Our rollout has been delayed because of the web services at least 4
months. To make manners worse the documentation is very, very limited
and the support department isn't anywhere near able to support customers
that try and use them; Epicor has even tried to charge us for support
calls, even though we are under premier maintenance support. I've
talked to many, many people in Epicor and they all tell me that they
want to solve the problem, help us, etc. but when it comes down to it,
NOTHING, just lip service. It went so far that a VP won't even return
my phone calls now, since she knows they can't support their product (my
opinion here).

Why am I telling everyone this? Well first off, I hope that
no-one else tries to go down this road and ends up at the same place we
are at now. We are completely scrapping everything we have that
accesses their web services. We then are going to implement our own web
services that go directly to the Vantage business object layer, thus
by-passing their web services layer. Our initial tests have revealed
the following:

Epicor web service:
GetDatasetForTree Time: 1.6880 seconds
Update Time: 3.8590 seconds

The direct business object call:
GetDatasetForTree Time: 0.8590 seconds

Update Time: 0.5940 seconds

If anyone needs more info about the web services, what we've
discovered, etc. just let me know.

Donald D. Bricker

Director, Information Technology

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system · May 17, 2006, 10:23am

Don writes:

> ... We are completely scrapping everything we have that
> accesses their web services. We then are going to implement our own web
> services that go directly to the Vantage business object layer, thus
> by-passing their web services layer. ...

I wonder what this says about ServiceConnect? It appears that the
ServiceConnect product is a front-end to the Vantage web services (or maybe
the business object layer?). It will handle the web service security (WSE);
setup a workflow; perform transformations; monitor the success of each WS
call; etc.

I was able to figure out the calling sequences for the Vantage Web Services
but where would one go to get documentation on the business object layer?

Thanks,

Mark W.

system · May 17, 2006, 10:40am

Documentation for both the web services and the business object's are
very limited. One good thing about the business objects is that you can
duplicate the same calls that the UI actually makes. Example, you go
into the normal Vantage UI and go to Quote Entry and create a new quote,
then save it. What business objects are called? You can turn
tracing/logging on for the UI, do the steps manually, then look at the
log file. It will tell you exactly the business objects being called.
Then you can just programmatically duplicate, etc. The problem with the
web services in the middle is that sometimes you call what you think to
be the same thing, but they rename it in the web services layer and you
get a different result.

Don

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Web Services

Don writes:

> ... We are completely scrapping everything we have that
> accesses their web services. We then are going to implement our own

web

> services that go directly to the Vantage business object layer, thus
> by-passing their web services layer. ...

I wonder what this says about ServiceConnect? It appears that the
ServiceConnect product is a front-end to the Vantage web services (or
maybe
the business object layer?). It will handle the web service security
(WSE);
setup a workflow; perform transformations; monitor the success of each
WS
call; etc.

I was able to figure out the calling sequences for the Vantage Web
Services
but where would one go to get documentation on the business object
layer?

Thanks,

Mark W.

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system · May 17, 2006, 10:55am

>Mark Wonsil said
>I was able to figure out the calling sequences for the Vantage Web

Services

>but where would one go to get documentation on the business object

layer?

The SDK kit ($$) has the source code for the BI layer itself, which is
written in C#.Net. But if you tweak your BI, then don't expect any more
free support for issues you create on your own.

Andrew

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system · May 17, 2006, 11:07am

I skim these messages pretty fast, but my take on what came of the Vantage
MRP discussions in this group is that through version 6, Vantage MRP doesn't
do much for most on this group. Am I right, or did I miss something? We're
on 4.0 and want to do more with MRP. I'm not sure what V8 does with MRP,
but after reading your horror stories with that - it doesn't get my vote for
anything - it's beta and shouldn't have been put out as a stable product
IMHO.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD - V4

system · May 17, 2006, 12:47pm

We are on version 6.1 and MRP is a great tool for us, It has saved us allot of man hours in Job creation time. There are some problems but overall it has been a good tool. We run it a minimum of once a week with a full regen and have ran it as much as 5 times a week. MRP has also given us better visibility for Man hour and Machine Capacity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Garyp New [mailto:garypnew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

I skim these messages pretty fast, but my take on what came of the Vantage
MRP discussions in this group is that through version 6, Vantage MRP doesn't
do much for most on this group. Am I right, or did I miss something? We're
on 4.0 and want to do more with MRP. I'm not sure what V8 does with MRP,
but after reading your horror stories with that - it doesn't get my vote for
anything - it's beta and shouldn't have been put out as a stable product
IMHO.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD - V4

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system · May 17, 2006, 12:52pm

The BI layer is not written in C#, it remains in Progress or rather Open
Edge. If it were C# there would be no need to rely upon the OE application
server. As for the 100% SOA architecture of V8...well lets just say that
it's a clever piece of marketing bovine excrement. The implementation of web
services is an ancillary component of the application and is not even a
requirement of the default installation. That's right, their own .NET client
doesn't rely upon web services to interact with the application. Web
services don't work...shocking

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew Reed
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Web Services

>Mark Wonsil said
>I was able to figure out the calling sequences for the Vantage Web

Services

>but where would one go to get documentation on the business object

layer?

The SDK kit ($$) has the source code for the BI layer itself, which is
written in C#.Net. But if you tweak your BI, then don't expect any more
free support for issues you create on your own.

Andrew

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system · May 17, 2006, 12:55pm

We also are on 6.1, and run it every night. I agree I think it is better to use than try to do all of the jobs manually.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clint Muhlestein
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We are on version 6.1 and MRP is a great tool for us, It has saved us allot of man hours in Job creation time. There are some problems but overall it has been a good tool. We run it a minimum of once a week with a full regen and have ran it as much as 5 times a week. MRP has also given us better visibility for Man hour and Machine Capacity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Garyp New [mailto:garypnew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

I skim these messages pretty fast, but my take on what came of the Vantage MRP discussions in this group is that through version 6, Vantage MRP doesn't do much for most on this group. Am I right, or did I miss something? We're on 4.0 and want to do more with MRP. I'm not sure what V8 does with MRP, but after reading your horror stories with that - it doesn't get my vote for anything - it's beta and shouldn't have been put out as a stable product IMHO.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD - V4

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system · May 17, 2006, 3:29pm

I stand corrected, but I specifically recall a session in vegas last
year in regards to the SDK, where the issue of datasets was discussed.
You are correct in that Progress is still a part of the process, but it
was also mentioned that C# was the final outlet for the Client to
connect to the dataset. Maybe I am confused somewhere... Seems I may
need to dig out the CD-ROM from the trip and look for the powerpoint for
that session.

Andrew

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Barry
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Web Services

The BI layer is not written in C#, it remains in Progress or rather Open
Edge. If it were C# there would be no need to rely upon the OE
application
server. As for the 100% SOA architecture of V8...well lets just say
that
it's a clever piece of marketing bovine excrement. The implementation of
web
services is an ancillary component of the application and is not even a
requirement of the default installation. That's right, their own .NET
client
doesn't rely upon web services to interact with the application. Web
services don't work...shocking

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Andrew Reed
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Web Services

>Mark Wonsil said
>I was able to figure out the calling sequences for the Vantage Web

Services

>but where would one go to get documentation on the business object

layer?

The SDK kit ($$) has the source code for the BI layer itself, which is
written in C#.Net. But if you tweak your BI, then don't expect any more
free support for issues you create on your own.

Andrew

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · May 17, 2006, 3:44pm

We have used it since 5.2 and find it to be a time saver. It has some
quirks but I wouldn't want to try it without it.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We also are on 6.1, and run it every night. I agree I think it is better to
use than try to do all of the jobs manually.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clint Muhlestein
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We are on version 6.1 and MRP is a great tool for us, It has saved us allot
of man hours in Job creation time. There are some problems but overall it
has been a good tool. We run it a minimum of once a week with a full regen
and have ran it as much as 5 times a week. MRP has also given us better
visibility for Man hour and Machine Capacity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Garyp New [mailto:garypnew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

I skim these messages pretty fast, but my take on what came of the Vantage
MRP discussions in this group is that through version 6, Vantage MRP doesn't
do much for most on this group. Am I right, or did I miss something? We're
on 4.0 and want to do more with MRP. I'm not sure what V8 does with MRP,
but after reading your horror stories with that - it doesn't get my vote for
anything - it's beta and shouldn't have been put out as a stable product
IMHO.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD - V4

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system · May 17, 2006, 3:50pm

To those using MRP,

Since you are on the subject. I have been testing out MRP in 6.1 and
was wondering if you guys had any better definitions for the parameter
fields. I have been running in circles with Support trying to get a
"Developer's" definition of the fields in MRP. I just keep getting the
canned help definitions which are no use to my training people on what
values to enter in those fields. An example would be Safety Stock and Min
On Hand. I have tested these two fields and I cannot figure out what Safety
Stock does for you. I can set Safety to 100 and Min OHQ to 200 and I get a
job suggestion for 300 pcs. I set Min OHQ to 300 and Safety Stock to 0 and
I get a Job suggestion for 300 pcs. Why would I use Safety Stock at all if
I can manage everything with Min OHQ? I have to believe the programmers
utilize Safety Stock in some way. That may just be blind faith though. Any
help would be appreciated.

_________________
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PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
Address: 107 Industrial Park Rd.
PO Box 157
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Phone: (515) 733-7256
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We have used it since 5.2 and find it to be a time saver. It has some
quirks but I wouldn't want to try it without it.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We also are on 6.1, and run it every night. I agree I think it is better
to
use than try to do all of the jobs manually.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clint Muhlestein
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We are on version 6.1 and MRP is a great tool for us, It has saved us allot
of man hours in Job creation time. There are some problems but overall it
has been a good tool. We run it a minimum of once a week with a full regen
and have ran it as much as 5 times a week. MRP has also given us better
visibility for Man hour and Machine Capacity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Garyp New [mailto:garypnew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

I skim these messages pretty fast, but my take on what came of the Vantage
MRP discussions in this group is that through version 6, Vantage MRP
doesn't
do much for most on this group. Am I right, or did I miss something?
We're
on 4.0 and want to do more with MRP. I'm not sure what V8 does with MRP,
but after reading your horror stories with that - it doesn't get my vote
for
anything - it's beta and shouldn't have been put out as a stable product
IMHO.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD - V4

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
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system · May 17, 2006, 3:59pm

Thanks for the replies. The reason I brought it up.... We've been very
much an individual job shop in the past - becoming more and more MRP.
Talking with our Controller about it this morning. Time to shift gears. So
Vantage MRP is at least satisfactory for those who use it. Seems like I
heard lots of complaining about Vantage's MRP limitations months ago. But
if it's even halfway decent, it's still worth looking into before we go
running off and re-inventing the wheel with another software package.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mitchell Kirby
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP 6.0

We have used it since 5.2 and find it to be a time saver. It has some
quirks but I wouldn't want to try it without it.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We also are on 6.1, and run it every night. I agree I think it is better to
use than try to do all of the jobs manually.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clint Muhlestein
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We are on version 6.1 and MRP is a great tool for us, It has saved us allot
of man hours in Job creation time. There are some problems but overall it
has been a good tool. We run it a minimum of once a week with a full regen
and have ran it as much as 5 times a week. MRP has also given us better
visibility for Man hour and Machine Capacity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Garyp New [mailto:garypnew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

I skim these messages pretty fast, but my take on what came of the Vantage
MRP discussions in this group is that through version 6, Vantage MRP doesn't
do much for most on this group. Am I right, or did I miss something? We're
on 4.0 and want to do more with MRP. I'm not sure what V8 does with MRP,
but after reading your horror stories with that - it doesn't get my vote for
anything - it's beta and shouldn't have been put out as a stable product
IMHO.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD - V4

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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system · May 17, 2006, 4:46pm

John,

You can manage via min on hand alone. Safety stock merely makes the
distinction based on flucuation, and allows you to control that aspect of the
quantity you want in the warehouse separately.

Example.

You have lead time 2 wks.

Normal use 1000 / wk.

Receiving/building 1000 / wk

Min oh, 2000. (2 x 1000). This would allow your weekly shipments of 1000 to
be disrupted, start fresh, and not run out within leadtime - like if say the
truck crashed en route.

Now - safety stock.

Let's say you have some parts from supplier X that is often 2 days late. MOH
would still WANT to be 2000, but you might incur another 3 days wait - or 30%
- so you might want safety stock of another 600 pcs.

Now, you could just add that to the MOH, and set that to 2600 pcs.

You decide you want to look at how much of your working capital is being
caused by late suppliers - you can easily pick out the safety stock. If you
embed into the MOH, you can't. So if you had left MOH at 2000, and had 600
for Safety, you can see it.

Safety stock can also be due to flucuation in demand, which again could
change over time.

- Alexander

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
jkoppes@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP 6.0

To those using MRP,

Since you are on the subject. I have been testing out MRP in 6.1 and
was wondering if you guys had any better definitions for the parameter
fields. I have been running in circles with Support trying to get a
"Developer's" definition of the fields in MRP. I just keep getting the
canned help definitions which are no use to my training people on what
values to enter in those fields. An example would be Safety Stock and Min
On Hand. I have tested these two fields and I cannot figure out what Safety
Stock does for you. I can set Safety to 100 and Min OHQ to 200 and I get a
job suggestion for 300 pcs. I set Min OHQ to 300 and Safety Stock to 0 and
I get a Job suggestion for 300 pcs. Why would I use Safety Stock at all if
I can manage everything with Min OHQ? I have to believe the programmers
utilize Safety Stock in some way. That may just be blind faith though. Any
help would be appreciated.

_________________
John Koppes
Systems Coordinator
PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
Address: 107 Industrial Park Rd.
PO Box 157
Story City, Iowa 50248
Phone: (515) 733-7256
Fax: (515) 733-4220

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We have used it since 5.2 and find it to be a time saver. It has some
quirks but I wouldn't want to try it without it.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We also are on 6.1, and run it every night. I agree I think it is better
to
use than try to do all of the jobs manually.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clint Muhlestein
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We are on version 6.1 and MRP is a great tool for us, It has saved us allot
of man hours in Job creation time. There are some problems but overall it
has been a good tool. We run it a minimum of once a week with a full regen
and have ran it as much as 5 times a week. MRP has also given us better
visibility for Man hour and Machine Capacity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Garyp New [mailto:garypnew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

I skim these messages pretty fast, but my take on what came of the Vantage
MRP discussions in this group is that through version 6, Vantage MRP
doesn't
do much for most on this group. Am I right, or did I miss something?
We're
on 4.0 and want to do more with MRP. I'm not sure what V8 does with MRP,
but after reading your horror stories with that - it doesn't get my vote
for
anything - it's beta and shouldn't have been put out as a stable product
IMHO.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD - V4

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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system · May 17, 2006, 4:47pm

I have used other more powerful packages, with safety days in addition to
safety stock and better mrp action messages, but Vantage is workable, and
going from none to V6.0 mrp it would likely be plenty of a leap.

- Alexander

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Garyp New
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP 6.0

Thanks for the replies. The reason I brought it up.... We've been very
much an individual job shop in the past - becoming more and more MRP.
Talking with our Controller about it this morning. Time to shift gears. So
Vantage MRP is at least satisfactory for those who use it. Seems like I
heard lots of complaining about Vantage's MRP limitations months ago. But
if it's even halfway decent, it's still worth looking into before we go
running off and re-inventing the wheel with another software package.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mitchell Kirby
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP 6.0

We have used it since 5.2 and find it to be a time saver. It has some
quirks but I wouldn't want to try it without it.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We also are on 6.1, and run it every night. I agree I think it is better to
use than try to do all of the jobs manually.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clint Muhlestein
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We are on version 6.1 and MRP is a great tool for us, It has saved us allot
of man hours in Job creation time. There are some problems but overall it
has been a good tool. We run it a minimum of once a week with a full regen
and have ran it as much as 5 times a week. MRP has also given us better
visibility for Man hour and Machine Capacity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Garyp New [mailto:garypnew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

I skim these messages pretty fast, but my take on what came of the Vantage
MRP discussions in this group is that through version 6, Vantage MRP doesn't
do much for most on this group. Am I right, or did I miss something? We're
on 4.0 and want to do more with MRP. I'm not sure what V8 does with MRP,
but after reading your horror stories with that - it doesn't get my vote for
anything - it's beta and shouldn't have been put out as a stable product
IMHO.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD - V4

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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John,

You can manage via min on hand alone. Safety stock merely makes the
distinction based on flucuation, and allows you to control that aspect of
the
quantity you want in the warehouse separately.

Example.

You have lead time 2 wks.

Normal use 1000 / wk.

Receiving/building 1000 / wk

Min oh, 2000. (2 x 1000). This would allow your weekly shipments of 1000
to
be disrupted, start fresh, and not run out within leadtime - like if say
the
truck crashed en route.

Now - safety stock.

Let's say you have some parts from supplier X that is often 2 days late.
MOH
would still WANT to be 2000, but you might incur another 3 days wait - or
30%
- so you might want safety stock of another 600 pcs.

Now, you could just add that to the MOH, and set that to 2600 pcs.

You decide you want to look at how much of your working capital is being
caused by late suppliers - you can easily pick out the safety stock. If
you
embed into the MOH, you can't. So if you had left MOH at 2000, and had 600
for Safety, you can see it.

Safety stock can also be due to flucuation in demand, which again could
change over time.

- Alexander

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
jkoppes@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP 6.0

To those using MRP,

Since you are on the subject. I have been testing out MRP in 6.1 and
was wondering if you guys had any better definitions for the parameter
fields. I have been running in circles with Support trying to get a
"Developer's" definition of the fields in MRP. I just keep getting the
canned help definitions which are no use to my training people on what
values to enter in those fields. An example would be Safety Stock and Min
On Hand. I have tested these two fields and I cannot figure out what Safety
Stock does for you. I can set Safety to 100 and Min OHQ to 200 and I get a
job suggestion for 300 pcs. I set Min OHQ to 300 and Safety Stock to 0 and
I get a Job suggestion for 300 pcs. Why would I use Safety Stock at all if
I can manage everything with Min OHQ? I have to believe the programmers
utilize Safety Stock in some way. That may just be blind faith though. Any
help would be appreciated.

_________________
John Koppes
Systems Coordinator
PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
Address: 107 Industrial Park Rd.
PO Box 157
Story City, Iowa 50248
Phone: (515) 733-7256
Fax: (515) 733-4220

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We have used it since 5.2 and find it to be a time saver. It has some
quirks but I wouldn't want to try it without it.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We also are on 6.1, and run it every night. I agree I think it is better
to
use than try to do all of the jobs manually.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clint Muhlestein
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We are on version 6.1 and MRP is a great tool for us, It has saved us allot
of man hours in Job creation time. There are some problems but overall it
has been a good tool. We run it a minimum of once a week with a full regen
and have ran it as much as 5 times a week. MRP has also given us better
visibility for Man hour and Machine Capacity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Garyp New [mailto:garypnew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

I skim these messages pretty fast, but my take on what came of the Vantage
MRP discussions in this group is that through version 6, Vantage MRP
doesn't
do much for most on this group. Am I right, or did I miss something?
We're
on 4.0 and want to do more with MRP. I'm not sure what V8 does with MRP,
but after reading your horror stories with that - it doesn't get my vote
for
anything - it's beta and shouldn't have been put out as a stable product
IMHO.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD - V4

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system · May 18, 2006, 11:28am

Alexander,
I thought I had it somewhere in the back of my head that Safety stock did
not show in "available" numbers. It could still be sold, but your
"available" would go below zero. I could be way off base on this, so if
anyone has any information on this aspect, please comment.
Thanks,
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Alexander Gamble
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:45 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP 6.0

John,

You can manage via min on hand alone. Safety stock merely makes the
distinction based on flucuation, and allows you to control that aspect of
the
quantity you want in the warehouse separately.

Example.

You have lead time 2 wks.

Normal use 1000 / wk.

Receiving/building 1000 / wk

Min oh, 2000. (2 x 1000). This would allow your weekly shipments of 1000 to
be disrupted, start fresh, and not run out within leadtime - like if say the
truck crashed en route.

Now - safety stock.

Let's say you have some parts from supplier X that is often 2 days late.
MOH
would still WANT to be 2000, but you might incur another 3 days wait - or
30%
- so you might want safety stock of another 600 pcs.

Now, you could just add that to the MOH, and set that to 2600 pcs.

You decide you want to look at how much of your working capital is being
caused by late suppliers - you can easily pick out the safety stock. If you
embed into the MOH, you can't. So if you had left MOH at 2000, and had 600
for Safety, you can see it.

Safety stock can also be due to flucuation in demand, which again could
change over time.

- Alexander

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
jkoppes@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP 6.0

To those using MRP,

Since you are on the subject. I have been testing out MRP in 6.1 and
was wondering if you guys had any better definitions for the parameter
fields. I have been running in circles with Support trying to get a
"Developer's" definition of the fields in MRP. I just keep getting the
canned help definitions which are no use to my training people on what
values to enter in those fields. An example would be Safety Stock and Min
On Hand. I have tested these two fields and I cannot figure out what Safety
Stock does for you. I can set Safety to 100 and Min OHQ to 200 and I get a
job suggestion for 300 pcs. I set Min OHQ to 300 and Safety Stock to 0 and
I get a Job suggestion for 300 pcs. Why would I use Safety Stock at all if
I can manage everything with Min OHQ? I have to believe the programmers
utilize Safety Stock in some way. That may just be blind faith though. Any
help would be appreciated.

_________________
John Koppes
Systems Coordinator
PRECISION MACHINE AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY
Address: 107 Industrial Park Rd.
PO Box 157
Story City, Iowa 50248
Phone: (515) 733-7256
Fax: (515) 733-4220

|---------+---------------------------->
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| | <m.kirby@...|
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We have used it since 5.2 and find it to be a time saver. It has some
quirks but I wouldn't want to try it without it.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Frank Zeigafuse
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We also are on 6.1, and run it every night. I agree I think it is better
to
use than try to do all of the jobs manually.

Innovative Office Products, Inc.
Frank Zeigafuse
General Manager
610-559-6369
fzeigafuse@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Clint Muhlestein
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:50 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

We are on version 6.1 and MRP is a great tool for us, It has saved us allot
of man hours in Job creation time. There are some problems but overall it
has been a good tool. We run it a minimum of once a week with a full regen
and have ran it as much as 5 times a week. MRP has also given us better
visibility for Man hour and Machine Capacity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Garyp New [mailto:garypnew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage MRP

I skim these messages pretty fast, but my take on what came of the Vantage
MRP discussions in this group is that through version 6, Vantage MRP
doesn't
do much for most on this group. Am I right, or did I miss something?
We're
on 4.0 and want to do more with MRP. I'm not sure what V8 does with MRP,
but after reading your horror stories with that - it doesn't get my vote
for
anything - it's beta and shouldn't have been put out as a stable product
IMHO.

Gary Polvinale
Denton ATD - V4

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system · June 24, 2009, 5:20pm

Can anyone tell me where there might be a guide to using Epicors Web services? I have an ASP classic application that needs to interact with epicor.

Thanks,
Aaron