Went live with five

system · June 3, 2001, 4:55pm

At 09:52 AM 6/3/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>Much to my surprise, when we recently went from 3.0 to 4.0 I actually had
>a slight performance improvement across the board.

Oh... here's an interesting one I found this week after the 4.0 switch.

Had complaints that the Purchase RFQ was taking up to a minute to print or
preview, and throwing out blank sheets. Looking at the raw DBF files, I
noticed the SideLabls thing looked unnecessarily complex (awful lot of rows
for the same info.) I replaced all those with text constants in the CR
form, and the 48 second print time dropped to TWO SECONDS! And the blank
pages went away.

Hmm... This was a big RFQ - 80 lines and maybe 20 vendors. But even if
Vantage didn't generate the right indexes to go with the DBF data, I
wouldn't expect that big a performance hit.

Oh well, fixed now. Something to try if you're noticing any bad or slow
performance with reports.

-Wayne

system · June 3, 2001, 12:59pm

Troy,

I would be curious to hear how (or if) this upgrade impacted performance
perceived by the end users. Much to my surprise, when we recently went from 3.0
to 4.0 I actually had a slight performance improvement across the board. Also,
what type of server are you using for Vantage. I'm still using an "antique"
Pentium II with only 256M RAM.

If the performance hit is not too great, I'm going to take the plunge to v5.0
sooner rather than later. My quality department is about to revolt with the new
"feature" of Data Collection scrap automatically creating a Non-Conformance. In
our analysis of this new feature we feel that the cost of processing these
transactions is greater than the value received from same information. (One of
my divisions has even gone as far as entering scrap in Labor Notes....UGH!) I
understand that there is more flexibility introduced in v5.0.

Mike Lowe
Corporate I.S. Manager
Connor Manufacturing Services
MLowe@...

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Subject: [Vantage] Went live with five
Author: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 6/2/2001 10:06 PM

We just did the conversion to 5.0 this weekend. We went from 3.0 to 50.

Time to get to 4.0 took 15 hours. (last Data Conversion step took 10 hrs.)
Time to get to 5.0 took 11 hours. (last Data Conversion step took 5 hrs.)
Database is 500MB.

Other than a minor error with Custom Report links, everything is looking fine.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

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system · June 3, 2001, 3:20pm

Mike,
I should be able to tell you more on Monday when everyone logs in for the first time. We do notice in tests that the initial log in can take up to a minute on some slower machines (like our Pentium 200 mhz machines with 48 to 64MB). A second log in after exiting Vantage can cut that time in half to 30 to 40 seconds.

I can't speak to the performance actually running Vantage, and that may take longer to acertain. Right now every machine in the plant has Vantage 3.0 and 5.0 on it. (It's a backup plan in case something screwy happened with 5.0.) Plus we still have Vantage 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 on the server (3.0 and 5.0 procontrols are still on) so that we can verify and compare information between 3.0 and 5.0 as we go. I've heard that once you uninstall the 3.0 clients on workstations that performance should improve. Also, unmapping the 3.0 drive should help things out.

We are running dual-Pentium 450mhz processors on our server with 512MB of ram. We bought it new back in '99 when we purchased Vantage 3.0.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

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Subject: Re:[Vantage] Went live with five

Troy,

I would be curious to hear how (or if) this upgrade impacted performance
perceived by the end users. Much to my surprise, when we recently went from 3.0
to 4.0 I actually had a slight performance improvement across the board. Also,
what type of server are you using for Vantage. I'm still using an "antique"
Pentium II with only 256M RAM.

If the performance hit is not too great, I'm going to take the plunge to v5.0
sooner rather than later. My quality department is about to revolt with the new
"feature" of Data Collection scrap automatically creating a Non-Conformance. In
our analysis of this new feature we feel that the cost of processing these
transactions is greater than the value received from same information. (One of
my divisions has even gone as far as entering scrap in Labor Notes....UGH!) I
understand that there is more flexibility introduced in v5.0.

Mike Lowe
Corporate I.S. Manager
Connor Manufacturing Services
MLowe@...

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Subject: [Vantage] Went live with five
Author: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 6/2/2001 10:06 PM

We just did the conversion to 5.0 this weekend. We went from 3.0 to 50.

Time to get to 4.0 took 15 hours. (last Data Conversion step took 10 hrs.)
Time to get to 5.0 took 11 hours. (last Data Conversion step took 5 hrs.)
Database is 500MB.

Other than a minor error with Custom Report links, everything is looking fine.

Troy Funte
Liberty Electronics

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system · June 3, 2001, 4:47pm

At 09:52 AM 6/3/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>I would be curious to hear ... if upgrade impacted performance. Much to
>my surprise, when we recently went from 3.0 to 4.0 I actually had a slight
>performance improvement across the board. Also,

Yup, we finally got around to the 4.0 thing less than two weeks ago. The
logon times are comparable, or even just a tick quicker (if you're on the
100Mb 'net)

>what type of server are you using for Vantage. I'm still using an "antique"
>Pentium II with only 256M RAM.

RAM is dirt cheap, if you're short. Check www.crucial.com (quality stuff,
not the cheapest.) 256MB for my Compaq is $124/256MB Think we paid >
$700 2 years ago. Pricewatch.com has vendors with inexpensive OEM 2nd CPU
upgrades for some of the Compaqs 'n' stuff.

>My quality department is about to revolt with the new "feature" of Data
>Collection scrap automatically creating a Non-Conformance. In

NO KIDDING!! Maybe I missed it, but why haven't there been more complaints
about that?!?!? We run some production work where an operator may turn out
~2000 - 3000 pieces / shift. If they report TWO pieces scrap on their time
card, we have this friggin' QA stuff for 2/ea to clear out! That's why we
reported it SCRAP and not "QUESTIONABLE" !! It's not worth further
consideration!

-Wayne