What database?

Sorry for the Delay in the response.

There are several parts that need to be in place.

1) Progress 4gl file that exports the data.
This is what the .p file looks like. Notice that I have selected to only export the fields I need. This will save allot of time and disk space.


DEFINE VARIABLE ProgName AS CHARACTER NO-UNDO.
DEFINE VARIABLE ProgOption AS CHARACTER NO-UNDO.
DEFINE VARIABLE hInstanceNum AS INTEGER NO-UNDO.


OUTPUT TO v:\mfgsys\ud\sqlexport\data\OrderHed.txt BINARY NO-CONVERT.
FOR EACH OrderHed:
EXPORT DELIMITER "~011" OrderHed.ordernum Orderhed.custnum NO-LOCK.
END.
OUTPUT CLOSE.

OUTPUT TO v:\mfgsys\ud\sqlexport\data\Part.txt BINARY NO-CONVERT.
FOR EACH Part:
EXPORT DELIMITER "~011" Part.PartNum NO-LOCK.
END.
OUTPUT CLOSE.

OUTPUT TO v:\mfgsys\ud\sqlexport\data\RMAHead.txt BINARY NO-CONVERT.
FOR EACH RMAHead:
EXPORT DELIMITER "~011" RMAHead.RMANum.
END.
OUTPUT CLOSE.

OUTPUT TO v:\mfgsys\ud\sqlexport\data\JobHead.txt BINARY NO-CONVERT.
FOR EACH JobHead:
EXPORT DELIMITER "~011" JobHead.JobNum Jobhead.Partnum.
END.
OUTPUT CLOSE.

OUTPUT TO v:\mfgsys\ud\sqlexport\data\Customer.txt BINARY NO-CONVERT.
FOR EACH Customer:
EXPORT DELIMITER "~011" Customer.CustNum Customer.NAME.
END.
OUTPUT CLOSE.

OUTPUT TO v:\mfgsys\ud\sqlexport\data\Vendor.txt BINARY NO-CONVERT.
FOR EACH Vendor:
EXPORT DELIMITER "~011" Vendor.Vendornum Vendor.NAME.
END.
OUTPUT CLOSE.

OUTPUT TO v:\mfgsys\ud\sqlexport\data\POHead.txt BINARY NO-CONVERT.
FOR EACH POHead:
EXPORT DELIMITER "~011" POHead.PONum POHead.Vendornum.
END.

OUTPUT TO v:\mfgsys\ud\sqlexport\data\APInvHed.txt BINARY NO-CONVERT.
FOR EACH APInvHed:
EXPORT DELIMITER "~011" APInvHed.VendorNum APInvHed.InvoiceNum.
END.
OUTPUT CLOSE.


2) Setup tables in SQL Server to import the data exported in step one. I prefixed all of mine with PUB_ so that I know when I see dbo.PUB_TableName that its one of the tables I have brought over from progress.

3) Setup your SQL Server Transformation package and schedule it. If you don't know how to do this, I can export a copy of ours from SQL Server and email it to you. You would then just have to import it into SQL Server. You shouldn't have a problem setting them up.
Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation





-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?


Well, I guess MS-SQL sounds like it is out of the question where Vantage
is concerned.
Too bad, I think it's a great general purpose DB for a company of our
size.
Maybe not the fastest or most powerful, but really easy to use, lots of
functionality, etc..
I'll take everybody's word for it that Progress is faster.
I'm certainly not impressed with Progress from what I've seen so far.
Hopefully by the time Sonoma matures I'll be able to dump it and use
MS-SQL instead.
Or maybe Epicor and Progress will begin to provide some of the nice
tools that I've come to expect as standard.

Anyway.. I find it is nice to have a few web pages on out Intranet with
data from our DB.
Nothing fancy, just reading data and displaying it in a web page.
I don't see any reason to buy some expensive bloated web enabling
package just for my limited needs.

Jeremy,

>I setup an SQL Server local data transformation package.<
> It exports the tables from Progress into text files and then imports<
> them into SQL Server. It was easy enough to setup and runs fast.<
> We run it every half hour. It works well for most reports.<

This sounds like it might do the trick for me.
Do you mind giving me some of the details for the mechanics of your
setup?

Thanks,
Bruce Ordway


-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:17 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?


We not only noticed a decrease in speed but several off the wall errors
that effected us for some time. The Priority Dispatch report went from 2
min to 40 min to run. Epicor said there was nothing they planned on
doing about it. They said it was normal for a screen to take 3 min to
open. I think the first time we ran capture it took 6 hours. We tried
several times to run Global Finite Scheduling but after about 24 hours
of running it would balm out. It normally would take us about an hour
to run. When we would call Tech Support and tell them we used SQL
Server you could hear the dread in their voices. When we upgrade to 5.1
and Progress 9.1C the speed got better but Epicor had no clue how the
database was supposed to be setup. Half the company couldn't get into
Vantage for 3 days. Since I wasn't getting anywhere with Epicor I went
to Progress who of course tried to send me back to Epicor. I told them
I wasn't getting the help I need and Progress did help us. After about
15 min on the phone with a Progress tech support guy everything was back
up and running. This told me Epicor had never tested 5.1 in a live
environment because the changes to the setup was so different then what
it used to be in 5.0. This was over 18 months ago and maybe things have
gotten better. What really made me mad was just after that I went to
the Epicor conference in Orlando and listened to them brag about Vantage
running on SQL Server. It would take allot for use to ever consider
switching back. I really like SQL Server and we do run if for every
other database but Vantage. I setup an SQL Server local data
transformation package. It exports the tables from Progress into text
files and then imports them into SQL Server. It was easy enough to
setup and runs fast. We run it every half hour. It works well for most
reports. Let us know if you go with SQL Server and how well it does
for you. They may have fixed most of it.

Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?



>it was bad enough to switch back...<
Do you think it is because of the way Vantage is constructed or is it
really the database?
A LOT of people use MS-SQL.
I would have thought it a natural for mid-sized companies.


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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Do you mean to run vantage, or in general?
Bruce,

You can use SQL Server but woe be it unto those who venture thus...

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] What database?

Does anybody use a database besides Progress?


Thanks,
Bruce Ordway

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Not that I know at all ... but we were on SQL and it caused enough problems that we switched back to progress... things took 5 times as long to run... other issues that I don't know cause I am not a computer guru...but it was bad enough to switch back...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?


People say that but why?
I like MS-SQL a lot.
Lot's of functionality and resources.
I feel pretty limited with Progress so far.
Getting something as simple as an ASP page to pull some data from
Progress is turning into a major project.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:19 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?


Bruce,

You can use SQL Server but woe be it unto those who venture thus...

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] What database?

Does anybody use a database besides Progress?


Thanks,
Bruce Ordway


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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Well it just caused alot of issues with Vantage... Jeremy would be a better person to explain all the problems we had he is our IT person... but I know from a user stand point... it took hours to run capture as appose to minutes now that we are back on progress!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?



>it was bad enough to switch back...<
Do you think it is because of the way Vantage is constructed or is it
really the database?
A LOT of people use MS-SQL.
I would have thought it a natural for mid-sized companies.


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Vantage utilizes Progress's native 4GL access layer and bypasses connection
middleware like all things MDAC (ODBC, OLEDB, ADO, etc..). To run the SQL
Server version, Vantage not only has to pass through the ODBC layer but, and
here's the kicker, you STILL have to run Progress for the application to
access the meta data (schema definition). The net result is a loss of
performance of at least an order of magnitude over the native Progress
version.

Creating a web enabled front end is a breeze...assuming, of course, that you
use Progress's webspeed suite. If you are sold on MS tools, then yes,
you're in for an uphill battle. But then again, if you are committed to MS
tools, Oracle and DB2 aren't going to be your best friends either.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?

People say that but why?
I like MS-SQL a lot.
Lot's of functionality and resources.
I feel pretty limited with Progress so far.
Getting something as simple as an ASP page to pull some data from Progress
is turning into a major project.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:19 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?


Bruce,

You can use SQL Server but woe be it unto those who venture thus...

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] What database?

Does anybody use a database besides Progress?


Thanks,
Bruce Ordway


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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At 11:27 AM 10/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>People say that but why? I like MS-SQL a lot. Lot's of functionality and
>resources.
>.... I feel pretty limited with Progress so far. Getting something as
>simple as an ASP page to pull some data from Progress is turning into a
>major project.

I've not used them myself, but Progress Software has add-on development and
server tools to handle web integration and other tasks.

The Progress Users' Group at www.peg.com might be a good resource for
you. There aren't many folks in this group doing their own programming and
development .


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338



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When you use MS-SQL as your database backend, Vantage still uses Progress as
a the language to interface between the Database (MS-SQL) and Vantage
(written in Progress). So depending on how well Progress connects to
MS-SQL, Vantage might work just fine with this as your database backend. Is
anyone on this list doing this? I would be interested to hear how well this
works.

This past week I have been revisiting my quest to interface with the
Progress database using Java. The "Type 2" JDBC drivers that are included
with your Progress install (<Vantage Share>\PRGS91D\java\JDBC.jar) interface
the Progress database very quickly, in fact much faster than ODBC! I called
Epicor to get some documentation on this and they simply told me that they
didn't support any other connectivity into the Vantage database other than
through Vantage and some limited support with Crystal Reports and ODBC.
Epicor told me to call Progress. I called Progress and they told me that I
should be getting my support of Progress through Epicor, and that they were
obligated to help me with this issue. I called Epicor back and explained my
position and they were finally able to help me out with the documentation
that I needed after clearing this with their manager. The long and the
short of it was this link:

http://www.progress.com/products/documentation/index.ssp

The documentation proved invaluable to my JDBC connectivity problems. I ran
a test and was able to do a CROSS JOIN on 3 large Job tables in the Vantage
Progress database in under 10 seconds! This, according to the local Crystal
ODBC experts, was and amazing performance jump. In fact they mentioned that
more often than not joining more than 2 tables with the ODBC drivers more
often than not crashed the driver. I then went on to CROSS JOIN 4 of these
huge Job tables and was able to get my results in under 5 minutes. Not the
greatest time in the world, but at least it could be done! Understand that
my CROSS JOIN technique is a horrible way (read sloppy and inefficient) to
extract actual "real world" data that I need. But what this did prove is
that the JDBC driver performance was far more robust than the ODBC
connectivity that we have been used to.

I am currently working on compiling a version of Jasper Reports (Java JDBC
report engine) and iReports (Java front-end to "Graphically" creating Jasper
Reports) to work with creating reports in our environment from Progress
data. If this turns out how I think it will (far better performance than
ODBC), we will be writing all of our reports this way. I'll keep you
posted.

Michael



-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?


People say that but why?
I like MS-SQL a lot.
Lot's of functionality and resources.
I feel pretty limited with Progress so far.
Getting something as simple as an ASP page to pull some data from Progress
is turning into a major project.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Barry [mailto:mbarry@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:19 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?


Bruce,

You can use SQL Server but woe be it unto those who venture thus...

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] What database?

Does anybody use a database besides Progress?


Thanks,
Bruce Ordway


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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We not only noticed a decrease in speed but several off the wall errors that effected us for some time. The Priority Dispatch report went from 2 min to 40 min to run. Epicor said there was nothing they planned on doing about it. They said it was normal for a screen to take 3 min to open. I think the first time we ran capture it took 6 hours. We tried several times to run Global Finite Scheduling but after about 24 hours of running it would balm out. It normally would take us about an hour to run. When we would call Tech Support and tell them we used SQL Server you could hear the dread in their voices. When we upgrade to 5.1 and Progress 9.1C the speed got better but Epicor had no clue how the database was supposed to be setup. Half the company couldn't get into Vantage for 3 days. Since I wasn't getting anywhere with Epicor I went to Progress who of course tried to send me back to Epicor. I told them I wasn't getting the help I need and Progress did help us. After about 15 min on the phone with a Progress tech support guy everything was back up and running. This told me Epicor had never tested 5.1 in a live environment because the changes to the setup was so different then what it used to be in 5.0. This was over 18 months ago and maybe things have gotten better. What really made me mad was just after that I went to the Epicor conference in Orlando and listened to them brag about Vantage running on SQL Server. It would take allot for use to ever consider switching back. I really like SQL Server and we do run if for every other database but Vantage. I setup an SQL Server local data transformation package. It exports the tables from Progress into text files and then imports them into SQL Server. It was easy enough to setup and runs fast. We run it every half hour. It works well for most reports. Let us know if you go with SQL Server and how well it does for you. They may have fixed most of it.

Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?



>it was bad enough to switch back...<
Do you think it is because of the way Vantage is constructed or is it
really the database?
A LOT of people use MS-SQL.
I would have thought it a natural for mid-sized companies.


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bruce,

If you are just looking to *display* information, there is no need to
buy any software. All you need is a web server (www.apache.org), PHP
(www.php.org), and about 12 cans of Mountain Dew. PHP can connect to
any ODBC data source and will not cost you a dime.

AE

> Anyway.. I find it is nice to have a few web pages on out Intranet with
> data from our DB.
> Nothing fancy, just reading data and displaying it in a web page.
> I don't see any reason to buy some expensive bloated web enabling
> package just for my limited needs.




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We use SQL to run Vantage. Wish we were on Progress. With too few running SQL, too many issues fall thru the cracks. Patches have been written for Progress but not for SQL. Maybe Epicor says Progress is better because it is not as profitable to do the support for very few SQL users.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ordway, Bruce [mailto:bruceo@...]
Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2003 3:24 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?


To run Vantage.
I'm finding that Progress is a little too restrictive and proprietary.
I'd be interested in using MS-SQL because of the functionality and
wealth of resources available.
Of course Epicor says Progress is better.

-----Original Message-----
From: sarah.vareschi@... [mailto:sarah.vareschi@...]

Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:40 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] What database?


Do you mean to run vantage, or in general?


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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