EDI + TIE Commerce

[system]

We are also using service connect for a rather detailed Labor entry workflow.
Yes it is developer edition.


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[system]

We are on 803.406 and after being up for two years are seriously thinking of introducing EDI. I am looking for serious discussions regarding Epicor's TIE Commerce product. What are the pros and cons of this product? Was this the only solution you looked at because it is Epicor/Vantage supported? Glad or sorry you went with it? If you could go back in time, would you purchase it again?
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I REALLY want to give my management the benefit of your collective experience. Thanks as always.
-Karl




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[system]

</lurk>

I too would be interested in this discourse.

bw

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Karl Dash <dashkarl@...> wrote:
>
> We are on 803.406 and after being up for two years are seriously thinking of introducing EDI. I am looking for serious discussions regarding Epicor's TIE Commerce product. What are the pros and cons of this product? Was this the only solution you looked at because it is Epicor/Vantage supported? Glad or sorry you went with it? If you could go back in time, would you purchase it again?
> Â
> I REALLY want to give my management the benefit of your collective experience. Thanks as always.
> -Karl
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[system]

So I know this has been a topic before but I am trying to sort out an
understanding of CALs for a new server we are going to be getting, this is not
the Vantage server though it will end up being our Exchange server and I am
trying to figure out CALs and it is confusing.

I think we are going to get SBS 2008 since our domain controller is 6 years old
and has SBS on it and handles our exchange.

We have 35 people in the office and we are probably going to have 10 people
using a terminal server to access vantage after they connect to the VPN through
a sonicwall.

Now, this is where the confusion comes into play. I assume we need 35 CALs for
all employees as if they were in the office, and then the Terminal Server CALs
so I can have 5 or 10 people logging into the Terminal Server. Do I need a
second CAL for the SBS for that user to be able to connect through the Terminal
Server if they have already authenticated and logged in through the VPN?

I have been told I need to double up the CALs for anyone who is going to be
dialing in and using the Terminal Server because SBS will count them as 2
different logins requiring 2 different licenses if they are connecting to the
Domain controller through their PC and the Terminal Server.

So by their calculation I need:

45 Cals for 2008 SBS
10 Terminal Server Cals

That right or wrong? My gut is telling me that is wrong because I would be
doubling up on "users" when I don't technically have more than one user...

[system]

Ned,

You only need the following:

SBS 2008 Premium (gives you the extra Windows Server 2008 license)
30 Additional SBS 2008 Premium Licenses (the base comes with 5-users)
10 Terminal Server CALs.

The regular user CALs are covered under the SBS 2008 CALs and you only need the appropriate number of TS CALs to be legal.

Now a couple of things to consider,

Vantage 8.03.xxx will not function properly on Server 2008 and Epicor will not support it. There are ways around this that we have found to be very helpful.

Please contact me offline if you are interested.

Jason Claggett
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
MCP #3856159
2W Technologies, LLC
312.533.4033 x8039
jason@...<mailto:jason@...>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ned C
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic, MS CALs





So I know this has been a topic before but I am trying to sort out an
understanding of CALs for a new server we are going to be getting, this is not
the Vantage server though it will end up being our Exchange server and I am
trying to figure out CALs and it is confusing.

I think we are going to get SBS 2008 since our domain controller is 6 years old
and has SBS on it and handles our exchange.

We have 35 people in the office and we are probably going to have 10 people
using a terminal server to access vantage after they connect to the VPN through
a sonicwall.

Now, this is where the confusion comes into play. I assume we need 35 CALs for
all employees as if they were in the office, and then the Terminal Server CALs
so I can have 5 or 10 people logging into the Terminal Server. Do I need a
second CAL for the SBS for that user to be able to connect through the Terminal
Server if they have already authenticated and logged in through the VPN?

I have been told I need to double up the CALs for anyone who is going to be
dialing in and using the Terminal Server because SBS will count them as 2
different logins requiring 2 different licenses if they are connecting to the
Domain controller through their PC and the Terminal Server.

So by their calculation I need:

45 Cals for 2008 SBS
10 Terminal Server Cals

That right or wrong? My gut is telling me that is wrong because I would be
doubling up on "users" when I don't technically have more than one user...



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

If you plan on running 9.0 then it will run on 2008, but the PET has some issues - not sure if this is a 32-bit or 64-bit issue (we run the 64-bit version of Server 2008), but I believe you can no longer get the 32-bit version of Server 2008 - or at least they are doing away with it. Either way, you should plan on running the PET on a different box either XP workstation or Server 2003.

PET = Progress Explorer Tool

Thanks,

Jason Claggett
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
MCP #3856159
2W Technologies, LLC
312.533.4033 x8039
jason@...<mailto:jason@...>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ned C
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic, MS CALs





So I know this has been a topic before but I am trying to sort out an
understanding of CALs for a new server we are going to be getting, this is not
the Vantage server though it will end up being our Exchange server and I am
trying to figure out CALs and it is confusing.

I think we are going to get SBS 2008 since our domain controller is 6 years old
and has SBS on it and handles our exchange.

We have 35 people in the office and we are probably going to have 10 people
using a terminal server to access vantage after they connect to the VPN through
a sonicwall.

Now, this is where the confusion comes into play. I assume we need 35 CALs for
all employees as if they were in the office, and then the Terminal Server CALs
so I can have 5 or 10 people logging into the Terminal Server. Do I need a
second CAL for the SBS for that user to be able to connect through the Terminal
Server if they have already authenticated and logged in through the VPN?

I have been told I need to double up the CALs for anyone who is going to be
dialing in and using the Terminal Server because SBS will count them as 2
different logins requiring 2 different licenses if they are connecting to the
Domain controller through their PC and the Terminal Server.

So by their calculation I need:

45 Cals for 2008 SBS
10 Terminal Server Cals

That right or wrong? My gut is telling me that is wrong because I would be
doubling up on "users" when I don't technically have more than one user...



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

Hi,
spEDI is a great Mapping product and the eVision Workbench is a great product too (both very robust and user friendly). For Inbound EDI, you will also use Service Connect.

Epicor offers Service Conenct workflows for some of the EDI inbound documents possible - and they work in 406 as far as sending data to Vantage. However, depending on documents used, processing within Vantage may be more manual than you expect.

Karen S

----- Original Message -----
From: bw2868bond
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce





</lurk>

I too would be interested in this discourse.

bw

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Karl Dash <dashkarl@...> wrote:
>
> We are on 803.406 and after being up for two years are seriously thinking of introducing EDI. I am looking for serious discussions regarding Epicor's TIE Commerce product. What are the pros and cons of this product? Was this the only solution you looked at because it is Epicor/Vantage supported? Glad or sorry you went with it? If you could go back in time, would you purchase it again?
>
> I REALLY want to give my management the benefit of your collective experience. Thanks as always.
> -Karl
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

Only one question,

are your 10 people accessing the terminal server part of your 35 office
people?

If so, Jason is correct, if not, then you would have to get the
additional 10 CALS.



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ned C
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic, MS CALs





So I know this has been a topic before but I am trying to sort out an
understanding of CALs for a new server we are going to be getting, this
is not
the Vantage server though it will end up being our Exchange server and I
am
trying to figure out CALs and it is confusing.

I think we are going to get SBS 2008 since our domain controller is 6
years old
and has SBS on it and handles our exchange.

We have 35 people in the office and we are probably going to have 10
people
using a terminal server to access vantage after they connect to the VPN
through
a sonicwall.

Now, this is where the confusion comes into play. I assume we need 35
CALs for
all employees as if they were in the office, and then the Terminal
Server CALs
so I can have 5 or 10 people logging into the Terminal Server. Do I need
a
second CAL for the SBS for that user to be able to connect through the
Terminal
Server if they have already authenticated and logged in through the VPN?

I have been told I need to double up the CALs for anyone who is going to
be
dialing in and using the Terminal Server because SBS will count them as
2
different logins requiring 2 different licenses if they are connecting
to the
Domain controller through their PC and the Terminal Server.

So by their calculation I need:

45 Cals for 2008 SBS
10 Terminal Server Cals

That right or wrong? My gut is telling me that is wrong because I would
be
doubling up on "users" when I don't technically have more than one
user...






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

I agree with Karen. The onsite training I got from Tie Commerce was also excellent. You will also need a communication package to perform the reception and transmissions of the edi files. We use Cleo Lexicom which is a very good package, but the licensing is per connection, so it can get pricey. The nice thing is that it supports AS2 protocol which is very secure and since it is a push technology there is no delay waiting for your next synchronization.

I would highly recommend putting your Tie Commerce software, Service Connect, and whatever communication package you use on a separate server from Vantage.

I would also recommend going to 8.03.407b. It appears to be the best of the 400 line and has fixes and enhancements to EDI. As far as the manual processing in Vantage goes, I was actually impressed with how little I actually have to do. Yes, there is some but less then our previous ERP software required. Another nice thing about the Tie Commerce software is that you can set up email alerts. I have it set up to send all inbound 980, 210, and 850 documents to an Exchange folder on my email server and its in a format that's easily readable.

In my opinion EDI is a pain, and having to work with so many different software packages makes it even more difficult, but once it is set up and working properly it doesn't take to much effort to maintain it. We went with Tie Commerce because it was the one that was being pushed by Epicor. Is there something out there that works better with Vantage? I couldn't say. Would I do anything differently? Yes, I would have payed Tie Commerce and Epicor to come in and set up all our EDI customers. Doing it myself was a real pain, and after 4 months I'm still not done.




________________________________
From: Karen Schoenung <kschoenung@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:08:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce





Hi,
spEDI is a great Mapping product and the eVision Workbench is a great product too (both very robust and user friendly). For Inbound EDI, you will also use Service Connect.

Epicor offers Service Conenct workflows for some of the EDI inbound documents possible - and they work in 406 as far as sending data to Vantage. However, depending on documents used, processing within Vantage may be more manual than you expect.

Karen S

----- Original Message -----
From: bw2868bond
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

</lurk>

I too would be interested in this discourse.

bw

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Karl Dash <dashkarl@... .> wrote:
>
> We are on 803.406 and after being up for two years are seriously thinking of introducing EDI. I am looking for serious discussions regarding Epicor's TIE Commerce product. What are the pros and cons of this product? Was this the only solution you looked at because it is Epicor/Vantage supported? Glad or sorry you went with it? If you could go back in time, would you purchase it again?
>
> I REALLY want to give my management the benefit of your collective experience. Thanks as always.
> -Karl
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

What kind of costs are we talking to implement EDI? Startup and
transaction fees? As a small mfg we are being asked to implement this
for one of our customers. With tough times upon us we aren't sure we
can shoulder the financial burden.

A Little off topic -->

We've cut production to 32 hours for the last month and laid off half
our work force as of today. What are small companies like us to do when
customers force you to incur additional costs to do business while
demanding you lower the price of your products? The days of the small
manufacturing companies are numbered unless we take steps to limit
imports into this country. There is NO way to compete with companies
that pay their employees $100/month and countries that the government
subsidizes the raw materials. When are we going to realize that a
global economy is not good for everyone. Isolationism is not a 4 letter
word!! Let's start taking care of our own people and our own country
FIRST. Spend our tax dollars here instead of some other country. We've
got to level the playing field to compete or unemployment is going to
sky-rocket. We can't all work in the service industry. I've read
claims of people condemning the American manufactures as not being
efficient as they can be and this is the reason we can't compete
globally!! B***S***!! Since the industrial revolution this country has
strived for ultimate efficiency!! Until these countries pay their
people the same minimum wage, have to deal with OSHA and the EPA,
provide health insurance, pay a competitive price for raw materials,
etc. you can not compare apples to apples. Enough ranting
today....sorry. Frustrated and sad that we had to lay off what becomes
family in a small town manufacturing company. I just pray we can keep
the doors open!

Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steven Gotschall
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce





I agree with Karen. The onsite training I got from Tie Commerce was
also excellent. You will also need a communication package to perform
the reception and transmissions of the edi files. We use Cleo Lexicom
which is a very good package, but the licensing is per connection, so it
can get pricey. The nice thing is that it supports AS2 protocol which
is very secure and since it is a push technology there is no delay
waiting for your next synchronization.

I would highly recommend putting your Tie Commerce software, Service
Connect, and whatever communication package you use on a separate server
from Vantage.

I would also recommend going to 8.03.407b. It appears to be the best of
the 400 line and has fixes and enhancements to EDI. As far as the
manual processing in Vantage goes, I was actually impressed with how
little I actually have to do. Yes, there is some but less then our
previous ERP software required. Another nice thing about the Tie
Commerce software is that you can set up email alerts. I have it set up
to send all inbound 980, 210, and 850 documents to an Exchange folder on
my email server and its in a format that's easily readable.

In my opinion EDI is a pain, and having to work with so many different
software packages makes it even more difficult, but once it is set up
and working properly it doesn't take to much effort to maintain it. We
went with Tie Commerce because it was the one that was being pushed by
Epicor. Is there something out there that works better with Vantage? I
couldn't say. Would I do anything differently? Yes, I would have payed
Tie Commerce and Epicor to come in and set up all our EDI customers.
Doing it myself was a real pain, and after 4 months I'm still not done.

________________________________
From: Karen Schoenung <kschoenung@...
<mailto:kschoenung%40fisher-barton.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:08:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

Hi,
spEDI is a great Mapping product and the eVision Workbench is a great
product too (both very robust and user friendly). For Inbound EDI, you
will also use Service Connect.

Epicor offers Service Conenct workflows for some of the EDI inbound
documents possible - and they work in 406 as far as sending data to
Vantage. However, depending on documents used, processing within Vantage
may be more manual than you expect.

Karen S

----- Original Message -----
From: bw2868bond
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

</lurk>

I too would be interested in this discourse.

bw

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Karl Dash <dashkarl@... .> wrote:
>
> We are on 803.406 and after being up for two years are seriously
thinking of introducing EDI. I am looking for serious discussions
regarding Epicor's TIE Commerce product. What are the pros and cons of
this product? Was this the only solution you looked at because it is
Epicor/Vantage supported? Glad or sorry you went with it? If you could
go back in time, would you purchase it again?
>
> I REALLY want to give my management the benefit of your collective
experience. Thanks as always.
> -Karl
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

I looked in to EDI and found a 3rd party compnay that will take care of the mappings, partner set up and transasctions. All I would need to do is create the output from Vantage and let them know how I need the file to input in to Vantage. The fees were much cheaper than setting up all of that myself and paying a VAN.

For our needs we found that EDI was just too much of a pain for how we do business at this point.

If anyone is interested in contact info for that company, please contact me offlist (not sure if protocol allows me to distribute onlist) and I will be happy to send the information.

Jeff

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Karen. The onsite training I got from Tie Commerce was also excellent. You will also need a communication package to perform the reception and transmissions of the edi files. We use Cleo Lexicom which is a very good package, but the licensing is per connection, so it can get pricey. The nice thing is that it supports AS2 protocol which is very secure and since it is a push technology there is no delay waiting for your next synchronization.
>
> I would highly recommend putting your Tie Commerce software, Service Connect, and whatever communication package you use on a separate server from Vantage.
>
> I would also recommend going to 8.03.407b. It appears to be the best of the 400 line and has fixes and enhancements to EDI. As far as the manual processing in Vantage goes, I was actually impressed with how little I actually have to do. Yes, there is some but less then our previous ERP software required. Another nice thing about the Tie Commerce software is that you can set up email alerts. I have it set up to send all inbound 980, 210, and 850 documents to an Exchange folder on my email server and its in a format that's easily readable.
>
> In my opinion EDI is a pain, and having to work with so many different software packages makes it even more difficult, but once it is set up and working properly it doesn't take to much effort to maintain it. We went with Tie Commerce because it was the one that was being pushed by Epicor. Is there something out there that works better with Vantage? I couldn't say. Would I do anything differently? Yes, I would have payed Tie Commerce and Epicor to come in and set up all our EDI customers. Doing it myself was a real pain, and after 4 months I'm still not done.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Karen Schoenung <kschoenung@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:08:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
> spEDI is a great Mapping product and the eVision Workbench is a great product too (both very robust and user friendly). For Inbound EDI, you will also use Service Connect.
>
> Epicor offers Service Conenct workflows for some of the EDI inbound documents possible - and they work in 406 as far as sending data to Vantage. However, depending on documents used, processing within Vantage may be more manual than you expect.
>
> Karen S
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bw2868bond
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:50 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce
>
> </lurk>
>
> I too would be interested in this discourse.
>
> bw
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Karl Dash <dashkarl@ .> wrote:
> >
> > We are on 803.406 and after being up for two years are seriously thinking of introducing EDI. I am looking for serious discussions regarding Epicor's TIE Commerce product. What are the pros and cons of this product? Was this the only solution you looked at because it is Epicor/Vantage supported? Glad or sorry you went with it? If you could go back in time, would you purchase it again?
> >
> > I REALLY want to give my management the benefit of your collective experience. Thanks as always.
> > -Karl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[system]

Jeff,
Â
"All" you would have to do is create the output file from Vantage? I have had a vendor approach me about creating a flat file output of what I would want and I contemplated what level of customization, BPM's, etc that would be necessary in order to identify all of the PO conditions that would warrant creating a flat file output for each scenario. That sounded like a part of the equation I could do without.
Â
I was given the name of an individual who had, in fact, done all of this himself, but he had created his own MRP system from scratch as well and was using open-source code to create his EDI solution. Again, if you aren't a very "sparky" individual, this is best left to those who are.
Â
-Karl

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, maurojm <jeff.mauro@...> wrote:


From: maurojm <jeff.mauro@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 6:20 AM








I looked in to EDI and found a 3rd party compnay that will take care of the mappings, partner set up and transasctions. All I would need to do is create the output from Vantage and let them know how I need the file to input in to Vantage. The fees were much cheaper than setting up all of that myself and paying a VAN.

For our needs we found that EDI was just too much of a pain for how we do business at this point.

If anyone is interested in contact info for that company, please contact me offlist (not sure if protocol allows me to distribute onlist) and I will be happy to send the information.

Jeff

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@ ...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Karen. The onsite training I got from Tie Commerce was also excellent. You will also need a communication package to perform the reception and transmissions of the edi files. We use Cleo Lexicom which is a very good package, but the licensing is per connection, so it can get pricey. The nice thing is that it supports AS2 protocol which is very secure and since it is a push technology there is no delay waiting for your next synchronization.
>
> I would highly recommend putting your Tie Commerce software, Service Connect, and whatever communication package you use on a separate server from Vantage.
>
> I would also recommend going to 8.03.407b. It appears to be the best of the 400 line and has fixes and enhancements to EDI. As far as the manual processing in Vantage goes, I was actually impressed with how little I actually have to do. Yes, there is some but less then our previous ERP software required. Another nice thing about the Tie Commerce software is that you can set up email alerts. I have it set up to send all inbound 980, 210, and 850 documents to an Exchange folder on my email server and its in a format that's easily readable.
>
> In my opinion EDI is a pain, and having to work with so many different software packages makes it even more difficult, but once it is set up and working properly it doesn't take to much effort to maintain it. We went with Tie Commerce because it was the one that was being pushed by Epicor. Is there something out there that works better with Vantage? I couldn't say. Would I do anything differently? Yes, I would have payed Tie Commerce and Epicor to come in and set up all our EDI customers. Doing it myself was a real pain, and after 4 months I'm still not done.
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Karen Schoenung <kschoenung@ ...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:08:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
> spEDI is a great Mapping product and the eVision Workbench is a great product too (both very robust and user friendly). For Inbound EDI, you will also use Service Connect.
>
> Epicor offers Service Conenct workflows for some of the EDI inbound documents possible - and they work in 406 as far as sending data to Vantage. However, depending on documents used, processing within Vantage may be more manual than you expect.
>
> Karen S
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bw2868bond
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:50 PM
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce
>
> </lurk>
>
> I too would be interested in this discourse.
>
> bw
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Karl Dash <dashkarl@ .> wrote:
> >
> > We are on 803.406 and after being up for two years are seriously thinking of introducing EDI. I am looking for serious discussions regarding Epicor's TIE Commerce product. What are the pros and cons of this product? Was this the only solution you looked at because it is Epicor/Vantage supported? Glad or sorry you went with it? If you could go back in time, would you purchase it again?
> >
> > I REALLY want to give my management the benefit of your collective experience. Thanks as always.
> > -Karl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



















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[system]

You would then need 45 SBS users as the TS CALs only allow users to login to the server, the authentication and domain access are part of the SBS user licenses, from Ned's email it was assumed on my part that the 10 TS users were part of the 35 users...maybe a bad assumption.

Jason Claggett
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
MCP #3856159
2W Technologies, LLC
312.533.4033 x8039
jason@...<mailto:jason@...>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic, MS CALs





Only one question,

are your 10 people accessing the terminal server part of your 35 office
people?

If so, Jason is correct, if not, then you would have to get the
additional 10 CALS.



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
P: 630-806-2000
F: 630-806-2001


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Ned C
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic, MS CALs

So I know this has been a topic before but I am trying to sort out an
understanding of CALs for a new server we are going to be getting, this
is not
the Vantage server though it will end up being our Exchange server and I
am
trying to figure out CALs and it is confusing.

I think we are going to get SBS 2008 since our domain controller is 6
years old
and has SBS on it and handles our exchange.

We have 35 people in the office and we are probably going to have 10
people
using a terminal server to access vantage after they connect to the VPN
through
a sonicwall.

Now, this is where the confusion comes into play. I assume we need 35
CALs for
all employees as if they were in the office, and then the Terminal
Server CALs
so I can have 5 or 10 people logging into the Terminal Server. Do I need
a
second CAL for the SBS for that user to be able to connect through the
Terminal
Server if they have already authenticated and logged in through the VPN?

I have been told I need to double up the CALs for anyone who is going to
be
dialing in and using the Terminal Server because SBS will count them as
2
different logins requiring 2 different licenses if they are connecting
to the
Domain controller through their PC and the Terminal Server.

So by their calculation I need:

45 Cals for 2008 SBS
10 Terminal Server Cals

That right or wrong? My gut is telling me that is wrong because I would
be
doubling up on "users" when I don't technically have more than one
user...

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[system]

Darren has a good question.
Â
We are down to 36 hours/week so cost is also a consideration. Did everyone know from the get-go that EDI was to be part of their purchase and so it was part of the overall negotiated price? How many hours of training were required and what modules/products were obtained? As Steven mentions, there is a  need for a communications program (he uses Cleo Lexicom). I assume that is not included but required or its equivalent?
Â
-Karl
Â

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Darren Mann <dmann@...> wrote:


From: Darren Mann <dmann@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 6:06 AM








What kind of costs are we talking to implement EDI? Startup and
transaction fees? As a small mfg we are being asked to implement this
for one of our customers. With tough times upon us we aren't sure we
can shoulder the financial burden.

A Little off topic -->

We've cut production to 32 hours for the last month and laid off half
our work force as of today. What are small companies like us to do when
customers force you to incur additional costs to do business while
demanding you lower the price of your products? The days of the small
manufacturing companies are numbered unless we take steps to limit
imports into this country. There is NO way to compete with companies
that pay their employees $100/month and countries that the government
subsidizes the raw materials. When are we going to realize that a
global economy is not good for everyone. Isolationism is not a 4 letter
word!! Let's start taking care of our own people and our own country
FIRST. Spend our tax dollars here instead of some other country. We've
got to level the playing field to compete or unemployment is going to
sky-rocket. We can't all work in the service industry. I've read
claims of people condemning the American manufactures as not being
efficient as they can be and this is the reason we can't compete
globally!! B***S***!! Since the industrial revolution this country has
strived for ultimate efficiency!! Until these countries pay their
people the same minimum wage, have to deal with OSHA and the EPA,
provide health insurance, pay a competitive price for raw materials,
etc. you can not compare apples to apples. Enough ranting
today....sorry. Frustrated and sad that we had to lay off what becomes
family in a small town manufacturing company. I just pray we can keep
the doors open!

Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of Steven Gotschall
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

I agree with Karen. The onsite training I got from Tie Commerce was
also excellent. You will also need a communication package to perform
the reception and transmissions of the edi files. We use Cleo Lexicom
which is a very good package, but the licensing is per connection, so it
can get pricey. The nice thing is that it supports AS2 protocol which
is very secure and since it is a push technology there is no delay
waiting for your next synchronization.

I would highly recommend putting your Tie Commerce software, Service
Connect, and whatever communication package you use on a separate server
from Vantage.

I would also recommend going to 8.03.407b. It appears to be the best of
the 400 line and has fixes and enhancements to EDI. As far as the
manual processing in Vantage goes, I was actually impressed with how
little I actually have to do. Yes, there is some but less then our
previous ERP software required. Another nice thing about the Tie
Commerce software is that you can set up email alerts. I have it set up
to send all inbound 980, 210, and 850 documents to an Exchange folder on
my email server and its in a format that's easily readable.

In my opinion EDI is a pain, and having to work with so many different
software packages makes it even more difficult, but once it is set up
and working properly it doesn't take to much effort to maintain it. We
went with Tie Commerce because it was the one that was being pushed by
Epicor. Is there something out there that works better with Vantage? I
couldn't say. Would I do anything differently? Yes, I would have payed
Tie Commerce and Epicor to come in and set up all our EDI customers.
Doing it myself was a real pain, and after 4 months I'm still not done.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Karen Schoenung <kschoenung@fisher- barton.com
<mailto:kschoenung% 40fisher- barton.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:08:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

Hi,
spEDI is a great Mapping product and the eVision Workbench is a great
product too (both very robust and user friendly). For Inbound EDI, you
will also use Service Connect.

Epicor offers Service Conenct workflows for some of the EDI inbound
documents possible - and they work in 406 as far as sending data to
Vantage. However, depending on documents used, processing within Vantage
may be more manual than you expect.

Karen S

----- Original Message -----
From: bw2868bond
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

</lurk>

I too would be interested in this discourse.

bw

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Karl Dash <dashkarl@.. . .> wrote:
>
> We are on 803.406 and after being up for two years are seriously
thinking of introducing EDI. I am looking for serious discussions
regarding Epicor's TIE Commerce product. What are the pros and cons of
this product? Was this the only solution you looked at because it is
Epicor/Vantage supported? Glad or sorry you went with it? If you could
go back in time, would you purchase it again?
>
> I REALLY want to give my management the benefit of your collective
experience. Thanks as always.
> -Karl
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

To me a lot depends on what is really meant by EDI in terms of the customer's requirement. In our case, for about $30/month, our one remaining EDI customer sends their docs to Sterling Commerce, an email notice is sent to us, we log in to the Sterling web portal and print the PO (or whatever). The customer gets a notice back that we received and acknowledged it. If needed we could use the portal to notify about shipments. We've had customers in the past require that we receive EDI but never that we integrate it with Vantage.

But virtually all of our customers doing EDI now have their own internal portal option where we log into their web site and download/print the info. Several times when pushed for "real" EDI reception we've asked and found they have a portal option...for smaller companies not interested in utilizing the info directly into their system. Seldom do they mention it up front though. Even the customer we use Sterling for hooked us up with them as an alternative to an internal portal. Even before portals we used Sterling to basically translate an EDI document into a plain text email.

Maybe it's just because we are a job shop but at our end letting EDI drive orders, schedules and jobs would not only not make sense but would be a complete disaster. If our customer wants to auto-generate POs (and release dates) to us then fine. But how we handle it after we receive it is none of their business.

Darren, I hear ya on the U.S. manufacturing sector issues. But we decided awhile back competing on price was a battle that wasn't going to be won with any help from the government - who caused many of the inequities in the first place. We are much less a manufacturing company now than a manufacturing "services" company. The nature of the business had to change with the environment. It's not "what" we make any more but what we "can make", at all, that none of the low labor sources can touch.

-Todd C.



________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Darren Mann
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce




What kind of costs are we talking to implement EDI? Startup and
transaction fees? As a small mfg we are being asked to implement this
for one of our customers. With tough times upon us we aren't sure we
can shoulder the financial burden.

A Little off topic -->

We've cut production to 32 hours for the last month and laid off half
our work force as of today. What are small companies like us to do when
customers force you to incur additional costs to do business while
demanding you lower the price of your products? The days of the small
manufacturing companies are numbered unless we take steps to limit
imports into this country. There is NO way to compete with companies
that pay their employees $100/month and countries that the government
subsidizes the raw materials. When are we going to realize that a
global economy is not good for everyone. Isolationism is not a 4 letter
word!! Let's start taking care of our own people and our own country
FIRST. Spend our tax dollars here instead of some other country. We've
got to level the playing field to compete or unemployment is going to
sky-rocket. We can't all work in the service industry. I've read
claims of people condemning the American manufactures as not being
efficient as they can be and this is the reason we can't compete
globally!! B***S***!! Since the industrial revolution this country has
strived for ultimate efficiency!! Until these countries pay their
people the same minimum wage, have to deal with OSHA and the EPA,
provide health insurance, pay a competitive price for raw materials,
etc. you can not compare apples to apples. Enough ranting
today....sorry. Frustrated and sad that we had to lay off what becomes
family in a small town manufacturing company. I just pray we can keep
the doors open!

Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Steven Gotschall
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

I agree with Karen. The onsite training I got from Tie Commerce was
also excellent. You will also need a communication package to perform
the reception and transmissions of the edi files. We use Cleo Lexicom
which is a very good package, but the licensing is per connection, so it
can get pricey. The nice thing is that it supports AS2 protocol which
is very secure and since it is a push technology there is no delay
waiting for your next synchronization.

I would highly recommend putting your Tie Commerce software, Service
Connect, and whatever communication package you use on a separate server
from Vantage.

I would also recommend going to 8.03.407b. It appears to be the best of
the 400 line and has fixes and enhancements to EDI. As far as the
manual processing in Vantage goes, I was actually impressed with how
little I actually have to do. Yes, there is some but less then our
previous ERP software required. Another nice thing about the Tie
Commerce software is that you can set up email alerts. I have it set up
to send all inbound 980, 210, and 850 documents to an Exchange folder on
my email server and its in a format that's easily readable.

In my opinion EDI is a pain, and having to work with so many different
software packages makes it even more difficult, but once it is set up
and working properly it doesn't take to much effort to maintain it. We
went with Tie Commerce because it was the one that was being pushed by
Epicor. Is there something out there that works better with Vantage? I
couldn't say. Would I do anything differently? Yes, I would have payed
Tie Commerce and Epicor to come in and set up all our EDI customers.
Doing it myself was a real pain, and after 4 months I'm still not done.

________________________________
From: Karen Schoenung <kschoenung@...<mailto:kschoenung%40fisher-barton.com>
<mailto:kschoenung%40fisher-barton.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:08:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

Hi,
spEDI is a great Mapping product and the eVision Workbench is a great
product too (both very robust and user friendly). For Inbound EDI, you
will also use Service Connect.

Epicor offers Service Conenct workflows for some of the EDI inbound
documents possible - and they work in 406 as far as sending data to
Vantage. However, depending on documents used, processing within Vantage
may be more manual than you expect.

Karen S

----- Original Message -----
From: bw2868bond
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

</lurk>

I too would be interested in this discourse.

bw

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Karl Dash <dashkarl@... .> wrote:
>
> We are on 803.406 and after being up for two years are seriously
thinking of introducing EDI. I am looking for serious discussions
regarding Epicor's TIE Commerce product. What are the pros and cons of
this product? Was this the only solution you looked at because it is
Epicor/Vantage supported? Glad or sorry you went with it? If you could
go back in time, would you purchase it again?
>
> I REALLY want to give my management the benefit of your collective
experience. Thanks as always.
> -Karl
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

Thanks Todd,

That information was very to the point. Are you happy with Sterling? I
need to inquire about a web portal from the customer who is requesting
we do this?

Can you email me off list more details on this statement?

"We are much less a manufacturing company now than a manufacturing
"services" company. The nature of the business had to change with the
environment. It's not "what" we make any more but what we "can make", at
all, that none of the low labor sources can touch."

Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222

________________________________



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

Todd,
In reading between the lines, you don't use TIE Commerce but you do send information to customer's portals based on their input. Is your response to the requests in the form of email, flat files formatted to look like EDI 850 documents or other?
Â
Is there still basically a manual process of getting an email message, logging into the customer or supplier portal, interpreting the transmission in whatever form it may be and then manually entering into your system?
Â
-Karl

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...> wrote:


From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...>
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 7:42 AM








To me a lot depends on what is really meant by EDI in terms of the customer's requirement. In our case, for about $30/month, our one remaining EDI customer sends their docs to Sterling Commerce, an email notice is sent to us, we log in to the Sterling web portal and print the PO (or whatever). The customer gets a notice back that we received and acknowledged it. If needed we could use the portal to notify about shipments. We've had customers in the past require that we receive EDI but never that we integrate it with Vantage.

But virtually all of our customers doing EDI now have their own internal portal option where we log into their web site and download/print the info. Several times when pushed for "real" EDI reception we've asked and found they have a portal option...for smaller companies not interested in utilizing the info directly into their system. Seldom do they mention it up front though. Even the customer we use Sterling for hooked us up with them as an alternative to an internal portal. Even before portals we used Sterling to basically translate an EDI document into a plain text email.

Maybe it's just because we are a job shop but at our end letting EDI drive orders, schedules and jobs would not only not make sense but would be a complete disaster. If our customer wants to auto-generate POs (and release dates) to us then fine. But how we handle it after we receive it is none of their business.

Darren, I hear ya on the U.S. manufacturing sector issues. But we decided awhile back competing on price was a battle that wasn't going to be won with any help from the government - who caused many of the inequities in the first place. We are much less a manufacturing company now than a manufacturing "services" company. The nature of the business had to change with the environment. It's not "what" we make any more but what we "can make", at all, that none of the low labor sources can touch.

-Todd C.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Darren Mann
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

What kind of costs are we talking to implement EDI? Startup and
transaction fees? As a small mfg we are being asked to implement this
for one of our customers. With tough times upon us we aren't sure we
can shoulder the financial burden.

A Little off topic -->

We've cut production to 32 hours for the last month and laid off half
our work force as of today. What are small companies like us to do when
customers force you to incur additional costs to do business while
demanding you lower the price of your products? The days of the small
manufacturing companies are numbered unless we take steps to limit
imports into this country. There is NO way to compete with companies
that pay their employees $100/month and countries that the government
subsidizes the raw materials. When are we going to realize that a
global economy is not good for everyone. Isolationism is not a 4 letter
word!! Let's start taking care of our own people and our own country
FIRST. Spend our tax dollars here instead of some other country. We've
got to level the playing field to compete or unemployment is going to
sky-rocket. We can't all work in the service industry. I've read
claims of people condemning the American manufactures as not being
efficient as they can be and this is the reason we can't compete
globally!! B***S***!! Since the industrial revolution this country has
strived for ultimate efficiency!! Until these countries pay their
people the same minimum wage, have to deal with OSHA and the EPA,
provide health insurance, pay a competitive price for raw materials,
etc. you can not compare apples to apples. Enough ranting
today....sorry. Frustrated and sad that we had to lay off what becomes
family in a small town manufacturing company. I just pray we can keep
the doors open!

Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com<mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com<mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf
Of Steven Gotschall
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com<mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

I agree with Karen. The onsite training I got from Tie Commerce was
also excellent. You will also need a communication package to perform
the reception and transmissions of the edi files. We use Cleo Lexicom
which is a very good package, but the licensing is per connection, so it
can get pricey. The nice thing is that it supports AS2 protocol which
is very secure and since it is a push technology there is no delay
waiting for your next synchronization.

I would highly recommend putting your Tie Commerce software, Service
Connect, and whatever communication package you use on a separate server
from Vantage.

I would also recommend going to 8.03.407b. It appears to be the best of
the 400 line and has fixes and enhancements to EDI. As far as the
manual processing in Vantage goes, I was actually impressed with how
little I actually have to do. Yes, there is some but less then our
previous ERP software required. Another nice thing about the Tie
Commerce software is that you can set up email alerts. I have it set up
to send all inbound 980, 210, and 850 documents to an Exchange folder on
my email server and its in a format that's easily readable.

In my opinion EDI is a pain, and having to work with so many different
software packages makes it even more difficult, but once it is set up
and working properly it doesn't take to much effort to maintain it. We
went with Tie Commerce because it was the one that was being pushed by
Epicor. Is there something out there that works better with Vantage? I
couldn't say. Would I do anything differently? Yes, I would have payed
Tie Commerce and Epicor to come in and set up all our EDI customers.
Doing it myself was a real pain, and after 4 months I'm still not done.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Karen Schoenung <kschoenung@fisher- barton.com<mailto:kschoenung% 40fisher- barton.com>
<mailto:kschoenung% 40fisher- barton.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com<mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:08:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

Hi,
spEDI is a great Mapping product and the eVision Workbench is a great
product too (both very robust and user friendly). For Inbound EDI, you
will also use Service Connect.

Epicor offers Service Conenct workflows for some of the EDI inbound
documents possible - and they work in 406 as far as sending data to
Vantage. However, depending on documents used, processing within Vantage
may be more manual than you expect.

Karen S

----- Original Message -----
From: bw2868bond
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce

</lurk>

I too would be interested in this discourse.

bw

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Karl Dash <dashkarl@.. . .> wrote:
>
> We are on 803.406 and after being up for two years are seriously
thinking of introducing EDI. I am looking for serious discussions
regarding Epicor's TIE Commerce product. What are the pros and cons of
this product? Was this the only solution you looked at because it is
Epicor/Vantage supported? Glad or sorry you went with it? If you could
go back in time, would you purchase it again?
>
> I REALLY want to give my management the benefit of your collective
experience. Thanks as always.
> -Karl
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Who is the customer.

If The customer is CAT they offer a Web-Based EDI service that although all documents have to be entered manually, it is free.
We were originally using that service but have since outgrown it due to the massive amount of changes we would receive daily.
We are currently implementing TIE with DMND MGMT from Epicor.
I believe that in time this Epicor will perfect this application.

As far as costs.
We purchased a separate server for EDI and a separate Server for Service connect. Roughly $4,000.00
We of course had to pay for the DMND MGMT module from epicor $3,500.00
Service Connect Module $6,000.00
Service Connect Install (if you want) $1,800.00
Maintenance for DMD MGMT $850.00
Service Connect Maintenance $1,500.00
Tie envision net server software $10,000.00
Maintenace for TIE $2,500.00

So were looking at around $27,0000 to $30,0000

I think I have everything.






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[system]

Mark,
  Gulp! Thanks for the input. Your analysis really gets to the question raised earlier about a cost-benefit analysis. If, based on the number of suppliers who are willing to give you a cost reduction, and the reduction in internal headcount vs. printing and faxing PO's, you can recoup this investment, then it does make sense to proceed.
Â
  Has anyone attemted an open-source solution to the problem of EDI? Is there any competition from other than TIE?
Â
Thanks to all who have responded,
-Karl

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Trzaska, Mark <mtrzaska@...> wrote:


From: Trzaska, Mark <mtrzaska@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce
To: "vantage@yahoogroups.com" <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 11:50 AM








Who is the customer.

If The customer is CAT they offer a Web-Based EDI service that although all documents have to be entered manually, it is free.
We were originally using that service but have since outgrown it due to the massive amount of changes we would receive daily.
We are currently implementing TIE with DMND MGMT from Epicor.
I believe that in time this Epicor will perfect this application.

As far as costs.
We purchased a separate server for EDI and a separate Server for Service connect. Roughly $4,000.00
We of course had to pay for the DMND MGMT module from epicor $3,500.00
Service Connect Module $6,000.00
Service Connect Install (if you want) $1,800.00
Maintenance for DMD MGMT $850.00
Service Connect Maintenance $1,500.00
Tie envision net server software $10,000.00
Maintenace for TIE $2,500.00

So were looking at around $27,0000 to $30,0000

I think I have everything.

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Mark,

One question. On the Service Connect Module that you paid $6000 for is that the developer edition? I believe the Runtime is free when you purchase the product. You can then contact Epicor for a list of runtime modules you can deploy. I believe (don't hold me to it) that there are several EDI/Demand MGMT modules already built?

Jason Claggett
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
MCP #3856159
2W Technologies, LLC
312.533.4033 x8039
jason@...<mailto:jason@...>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Trzaska, Mark
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: EDI + TIE Commerce





Who is the customer.

If The customer is CAT they offer a Web-Based EDI service that although all documents have to be entered manually, it is free.
We were originally using that service but have since outgrown it due to the massive amount of changes we would receive daily.
We are currently implementing TIE with DMND MGMT from Epicor.
I believe that in time this Epicor will perfect this application.

As far as costs.
We purchased a separate server for EDI and a separate Server for Service connect. Roughly $4,000.00
We of course had to pay for the DMND MGMT module from epicor $3,500.00
Service Connect Module $6,000.00
Service Connect Install (if you want) $1,800.00
Maintenance for DMD MGMT $850.00
Service Connect Maintenance $1,500.00
Tie envision net server software $10,000.00
Maintenace for TIE $2,500.00

So were looking at around $27,0000 to $30,0000

I think I have everything.

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