Lan upgrade to support Vantage 9.X?

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Dan,

Yes, how well the client sessions respond will depend on how meaty the Terminal Server is, and the number of clients. I think you could beat gigabit over CAT6 if you had a separate VLAN between the Terminal Server and Vantage Server, throw in a 10 GB link and now we're talking!

Jared

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Shallbetter" <dans@...> wrote:
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> Jared,
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> Thanks for the response. I am trying to improve the end user
> experience. I am guessing that in a Terminal server environment that
> Vantage response times speed would be a dependant on the server
> configuration. If the server is properly spec'd would performance be
> better than Cat 6 LAN running hopefully a gigabit speeds.?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
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>
>
> Dan
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Current running 8.03.404 on a LAN wired using Cat 5 cable, with some
shop floor fiber optic runs. I have been told that Cat 5 will not
reliably support gigabit speeds. I am considering replacing the Cat 5
with Cat 6 and upgrading switches & clients to gigabit devices. Epicor
is suggesting a terminal server environment (which I know nothing about)
as an option to extend the life of existing clients (30). I could not
get a definitive answer regarding Vantage performance on the 2 different
options. My ultimate goal is to someday come up to the current release
level (once this user group gives it's seal of approval). Any opinions
on the hardware options?



TIA



Dan Shallbetter







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On 8.03.4XX Terminal Server is great for MES shop floor users, Inventory Control, Shipping & Inspection/DMR processing.
You also definitely want gigabit networking for client PC's (so don't shoot yourself in the foot by going cheap w/ cabling & switches). MAX RAM all client PCs & choose your video card/displays wisely as some don't play nice w/ Vantage client apps. (I have a Dell laptop w/ nVidea that 'loses control of the (vantage client) application constantly. I gave up and just use it to run on a remote desktop w/ zero problems). Consider dual monitors for users that will have a lot of apps (Vantage or other) open.

Anyone out there on 9x that can comment whether things are appreciably different for 9 versus 8?

--- Original Message ---
From:"Dan Shallbetter" <dans@...>
Sent:Wed 9/29/10 12:53 pm
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subj:[Vantage] Lan upgrade to support Vantage 9.X?

Current running 8.03.404 on a LAN wired using Cat 5 cable, with some
shop floor fiber optic runs. I have been told that Cat 5 will not
reliably support gigabit speeds. I am considering replacing the Cat 5
with Cat 6 and upgrading switches & clients to gigabit devices. Epicor
is suggesting a terminal server environment (which I know nothing about)
as an option to extend the life of existing clients (30). I could not
get a definitive answer regarding Vantage performance on the 2 different
options. My ultimate goal is to someday come up to the current release
level (once this user group gives it's seal of approval). Any opinions
on the hardware options?



TIA



Dan Shallbetter







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Technically you need at least Cat 5e for gigabit, and even then the copper is more distance sensitive than 100baseT. For 30 clients, you could reasonably go the Terminal Server (or Citrix) route. This is basically the Mainframe architecture (funny how we've come full circle). Your client PCs become dumb terminals, and all the processing takes place on a centralized server. Network traffic is limited to screen updates, mouse clicks and keystrokes. Usually far lighter than what the Epicor Smart Client demands.
Jared

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Shallbetter" <dans@...> wrote:
>
> Current running 8.03.404 on a LAN wired using Cat 5 cable, with some
> shop floor fiber optic runs. I have been told that Cat 5 will not
> reliably support gigabit speeds. I am considering replacing the Cat 5
> with Cat 6 and upgrading switches & clients to gigabit devices. Epicor
> is suggesting a terminal server environment (which I know nothing about)
> as an option to extend the life of existing clients (30). I could not
> get a definitive answer regarding Vantage performance on the 2 different
> options. My ultimate goal is to someday come up to the current release
> level (once this user group gives it's seal of approval). Any opinions
> on the hardware options?
>
>
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> Dan Shallbetter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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What do they recommend TS for?

We currently have a CAT6 installation with gigabit switches. However, we have
had a new phone installation and as we havent had enough RJ45 outlets we have
had to daisy chain in the phones. This reduces the PCs connection to 100MB
instead of 1000MB.

It makes absolutely no noticable difference whatsoever to the speed of Epicor.




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From: Dan Shallbetter <dans@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 17:32:02
Subject: [Vantage] Lan upgrade to support Vantage 9.X?

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Current running 8.03.404 on a LAN wired using Cat 5 cable, with some
shop floor fiber optic runs. I have been told that Cat 5 will not
reliably support gigabit speeds. I am considering replacing the Cat 5
with Cat 6 and upgrading switches & clients to gigabit devices. Epicor
is suggesting a terminal server environment (which I know nothing about)
as an option to extend the life of existing clients (30). I could not
get a definitive answer regarding Vantage performance on the 2 different
options. My ultimate goal is to someday come up to the current release
level (once this user group gives it's seal of approval). Any opinions
on the hardware options?

TIA

Dan Shallbetter

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Jared,



Thanks for the response. I am trying to improve the end user
experience. I am guessing that in a Terminal server environment that
Vantage response times speed would be a dependant on the server
configuration. If the server is properly spec'd would performance be
better than Cat 6 LAN running hopefully a gigabit speeds.?



Thanks,



Dan





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of k99ja04
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Lan upgrade to support Vantage 9.X?





Technically you need at least Cat 5e for gigabit, and even then the
copper is more distance sensitive than 100baseT. For 30 clients, you
could reasonably go the Terminal Server (or Citrix) route. This is
basically the Mainframe architecture (funny how we've come full circle).
Your client PCs become dumb terminals, and all the processing takes
place on a centralized server. Network traffic is limited to screen
updates, mouse clicks and keystrokes. Usually far lighter than what the
Epicor Smart Client demands.
Jared

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dan
Shallbetter" <dans@...> wrote:
>
> Current running 8.03.404 on a LAN wired using Cat 5 cable, with some
> shop floor fiber optic runs. I have been told that Cat 5 will not
> reliably support gigabit speeds. I am considering replacing the Cat 5
> with Cat 6 and upgrading switches & clients to gigabit devices. Epicor
> is suggesting a terminal server environment (which I know nothing
about)
> as an option to extend the life of existing clients (30). I could not
> get a definitive answer regarding Vantage performance on the 2
different
> options. My ultimate goal is to someday come up to the current release
> level (once this user group gives it's seal of approval). Any opinions
> on the hardware options?
>
>
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> Dan Shallbetter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Hello Chris,



I think they made the recommendation based on cost & ease of installation. Current environment is running 10/100, is there an easy way to determine what the client connection speed is? Users have complained about speed since we moved up to 8.X. I was hoping that moving to a gigabit environment would make a noticeable difference? My existing server was tuned by Vantage when we migrated to 8.X?



I am surprised that the telephone would use that much band width to cause the connection speed to degrade.



Dan





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:32 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Lan upgrade to support Vantage 9.X?





What do they recommend TS for?

We currently have a CAT6 installation with gigabit switches. However, we have
had a new phone installation and as we havent had enough RJ45 outlets we have
had to daisy chain in the phones. This reduces the PCs connection to 100MB
instead of 1000MB.

It makes absolutely no noticable difference whatsoever to the speed of Epicor.

________________________________
From: Dan Shallbetter <dans@... <mailto:dans%40statesmfg.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 17:32:02
Subject: [Vantage] Lan upgrade to support Vantage 9.X?


Current running 8.03.404 on a LAN wired using Cat 5 cable, with some
shop floor fiber optic runs. I have been told that Cat 5 will not
reliably support gigabit speeds. I am considering replacing the Cat 5
with Cat 6 and upgrading switches & clients to gigabit devices. Epicor
is suggesting a terminal server environment (which I know nothing about)
as an option to extend the life of existing clients (30). I could not
get a definitive answer regarding Vantage performance on the 2 different
options. My ultimate goal is to someday come up to the current release
level (once this user group gives it's seal of approval). Any opinions
on the hardware options?

TIA

Dan Shallbetter

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The telephones only operate on 100MB so when you daisy chain the PC through the
phone to the wall then to the switch, even though the PC has a 1000MB card in
it, the phone only copes with 100MB so the pc speed is downgraded.

Initially we thought this would be a big issues and have a huge impact in speed
on the clients, but after several time trials from before and after, there is
actual no difference (there may be the odd 1000th of a second, but not enough to
notice when timing).

Epicor (certainly V8 and E9) are slow, there is no getting away from that when
compared with our legacy system which works with client and back-end just the
same on a server that was approximately 6yr old, single core, 2gb ram.

We are on 8 core, 20gb ram now and its slower than our legacy system.

Printing of big reports (no matter what they were) was virtually instant on our
legacy system.

The biggest different we made (especially for opening forms and printing) was to
increase all PCs to 3GB from 2 and 1 GB. This has a sigificant improvement on
printing speeds - it shaved seconds off the typical quote print. Still not
great, but a lot better than it was.


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________________________________
From: Dan Shallbetter <dans@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 30 September, 2010 14:15:41
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Lan upgrade to support Vantage 9.X?

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Hello Chris,



I think they made the recommendation based on cost & ease of installation.
Current environment is running 10/100, is there an easy way to determine what
the client connection speed is? Users have complained about speed since we moved
up to 8.X. I was hoping that moving to a gigabit environment would make a
noticeable difference? My existing server was tuned by Vantage when we migrated
to 8.X?




I am surprised that the telephone would use that much band width to cause the
connection speed to degrade.



Dan





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Chris Thompson
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:32 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Lan upgrade to support Vantage 9.X?





What do they recommend TS for?

We currently have a CAT6 installation with gigabit switches. However, we have
had a new phone installation and as we havent had enough RJ45 outlets we have
had to daisy chain in the phones. This reduces the PCs connection to 100MB
instead of 1000MB.

It makes absolutely no noticable difference whatsoever to the speed of Epicor.

________________________________
From: Dan Shallbetter <dans@... <mailto:dans%40statesmfg.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 17:32:02
Subject: [Vantage] Lan upgrade to support Vantage 9.X?


Current running 8.03.404 on a LAN wired using Cat 5 cable, with some
shop floor fiber optic runs. I have been told that Cat 5 will not
reliably support gigabit speeds. I am considering replacing the Cat 5
with Cat 6 and upgrading switches & clients to gigabit devices. Epicor
is suggesting a terminal server environment (which I know nothing about)
as an option to extend the life of existing clients (30). I could not
get a definitive answer regarding Vantage performance on the 2 different
options. My ultimate goal is to someday come up to the current release
level (once this user group gives it's seal of approval). Any opinions
on the hardware options?

TIA

Dan Shallbetter

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