Moderator : Please add this user

[system]

When I applied for the list (twice), I was asked to provide my name,
company and site ID number. (200 character limit, which doesn't leave
much room for any other info.)



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Moderator : Please add this user





I think we need the site id....please send that as well!

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >
630.806.2000 x1515

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Greg Payne
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Moderator : Please add this user

I have a couple, but am asking the team for other names that have not
gotten in yet.

I will send a full list later.

Marta McFeeture MMcFeeture@...
<mailto:MMcFeeture%40compulink-usa.com>
<mailto:MMcFeeture%40compulink-usa.com><mailto:MMcFeeture@compulink-usa.
com <mailto:MMcFeeture%40compulink-usa.com>
<mailto:MMcFeeture%40compulink-usa.com>>
Mar Sundell MSundell@...
<mailto:MSundell%40compulink-usa.com>
<mailto:MSundell%40compulink-usa.com><mailto:MSundell@...
<mailto:MSundell%40compulink-usa.com>
<mailto:MSundell%40compulink-usa.com>>

I would support Jose's nomination or another regular poster as an
additional moderator or a new location entirely.

Greg Payne

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Moderator : Please add this user

Who else has not been approved...I'm trying to send everything to the
owner...

M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com><mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com><mailto:manasa
@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com><mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
630.806.2000 x1515

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of Vic Drecchio
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Moderator : Please add this user

If this continues, perhaps we all bail and move to a new Yahoo group
that we
create. Ridiculous.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mai
lto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mai
lto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
too_much_hg
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mai
lto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Moderator : Please add this user

After repeated attempts to send a request through the normal channel I
am
unable to get a user added from our company.

This has gone on for several months .....

I am asking any of the Moderators to Please add the following person.

Carol Pelowski
cmpelows@... <mailto:cmpelows%40lesueurinc.com>
<mailto:cmpelows%40lesueurinc.com><mailto:cmpelows%40lesueurinc.com><mai
lto:cmpelows%40lesueurinc.com> <mailto:cmpelows%40lesueurinc.com>
LeSueur Incorporated
Company ID 68332
(507) 665-6204

Thanks in advance.
Neil Willet
LeSueur Incorporated

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[system]

I double-second this, and I've talked about it before.

As threads grow in Yahoo! Groups, they get harder and harder and harder to read as the number of '>'s increase.

Syntax highlighting would be *great*, and a curated list of files would be wonderful as well. I'd even be up for some github repos of code...

And some large sub-forums would help to separate some of the topics (ie, meta discussion like this)

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jgiese1988" <epicor-team@...> wrote:
>
> I second the motion? Maybe something more easily searched? Rich text formatting that works? Being hopeful code syntax highlighting? Yahoo groups seems unchanged in... 10 years?
>
> I'd volunteer to build one... wonder if there is a way i could hook into this group and get historical messages without data mining? Doubt it.... just ramblings
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Vic Drecchio" <vic.drecchio@> wrote:
> >
> > If this continues, perhaps we all bail and move to a new Yahoo group that we
> > create. Ridiculous.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > too_much_hg
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:59 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Moderator : Please add this user
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > After repeated attempts to send a request through the normal channel I am
> > unable to get a user added from our company.
> >
> > This has gone on for several months .....
> >
> > I am asking any of the Moderators to Please add the following person.
> >
> > Carol Pelowski
> > cmpelows@ <mailto:cmpelows%40lesueurinc.com>
> > LeSueur Incorporated
> > Company ID 68332
> > (507) 665-6204
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Neil Willet
> > LeSueur Incorporated
> >
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this message.
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> >
> >
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> >
>

[system]

I'd be happy to volunteer as a moderator to allow people into the group, as
well as take care of anyone who spams or ends up with an out of office
response that goes crazy.

I think a team of moderators is the best thing that can be done, I know I
pay attention to every email that comes in probably 90% of the time, but I
am not always around 100% of the time. A team of active users could
potentially do a lot of good for this group.

I also have a whole bunch of ideas in regards to what we could do as a group
outside of Yahoo if there were a consensus to move, some of it would involve
a cost, but on a per person basis, the cost would really be very minimal
given the potential size of the group, but that's really a pretty big topic
that would really need to involve a good number of people to maintain checks
and balances so the group sticks to it's altruistic nature.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jose Gomez
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Moderator : Please add this user

I am definitely still interested, we just haven't heard anything and people
keep saying they are not getting responses. It doesn't have to be me, but
someone who is active on the list all the time

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Manasa Reddy <manasa@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> If you guys really want to change the forum then why not vote on it.
> Stop just talking about it.
>
> Otherwise if you can all hold on a little while longer we can have a
> new Moderator by next week. I haven't had a chance to talk to the
> owner...we keep missing each other.
>
> Jose, I have already told her you were interested...if you are not
> anymore then let me know.
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> manasa@...<mailto:manasa@...>
> 630.806.2000 x1515
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:35 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Moderator : Please add this user
>
> Who else has not been approved...I'm trying to send everything to the
> owner...
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com><mailto:manasa@weldcoa.
> com
> <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
> 630.806.2000 x1515
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Vic Drecchio
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:06 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Moderator : Please add this user
>
>
> If this continues, perhaps we all bail and move to a new Yahoo group
> that we create. Ridiculous.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:
> vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of
>
> too_much_hg
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:59 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Subject: [Vantage] Moderator : Please add this user
>
> After repeated attempts to send a request through the normal channel I
> am unable to get a user added from our company.
>
> This has gone on for several months .....
>
> I am asking any of the Moderators to Please add the following person.
>
> Carol Pelowski
> cmpelows@...<mailto:cmpelows%40lesueurinc.com><mailto:
> cmpelows%40lesueurinc.com> <mailto:cmpelows%40lesueurinc.com>
>
> LeSueur Incorporated
> Company ID 68332
> (507) 665-6204
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Neil Willet
> LeSueur Incorporated
>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com>
>
> Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5336 - Release Date:
> 10/16/12
>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com>
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[system]

WOW, that set of a fire storm !

I don't understand why the Owner doesn't clear out some of the old moderators who haven't even logged in for years.

If the Owner or the Moderator isn't doing the maintenance why can't we switch to a new Owner or get some Moderators who will.

I went to Google/Groups and searched on Epicor .... there are a BUNCH of groups already out there but I don't know who uses them or what they discuss.

I do know that the SEARCH capability of this Yahoo group is really bad. Maybe we could transfer the data to a better engine and we could all just move over there and be done with it ?

Neil

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "too_much_hg" <neil_willet@...> wrote:
>
> After repeated attempts to send a request through the normal channel I am unable to get a user added from our company.
>
> This has gone on for several months .....
>
> I am asking any of the Moderators to Please add the following person.
>
> Carol Pelowski
> cmpelows@...
> LeSueur Incorporated
> Company ID 68332
> (507) 665-6204
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Neil Willet
> LeSueur Incorporated
>

[system]

There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but it's the whole community thing...

As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to stand on its own with regards to content.

There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's just unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.

I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a more respectful place for that.

In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very unscientifically) compiled:

- This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386 total members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from 2011 back through 1999
- In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't actually do a thread count
- In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
- And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "too_much_hg" <neil_willet@...> wrote:
>
> WOW, that set of a fire storm !
>
> I don't understand why the Owner doesn't clear out some of the old moderators who haven't even logged in for years.
>
> If the Owner or the Moderator isn't doing the maintenance why can't we switch to a new Owner or get some Moderators who will.
>
> I went to Google/Groups and searched on Epicor .... there are a BUNCH of groups already out there but I don't know who uses them or what they discuss.
>
> I do know that the SEARCH capability of this Yahoo group is really bad. Maybe we could transfer the data to a better engine and we could all just move over there and be done with it ?
>
> Neil
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "too_much_hg" <neil_willet@> wrote:
> >
> > After repeated attempts to send a request through the normal channel I am unable to get a user added from our company.
> >
> > This has gone on for several months .....
> >
> > I am asking any of the Moderators to Please add the following person.
> >
> > Carol Pelowski
> > cmpelows@
> > LeSueur Incorporated
> > Company ID 68332
> > (507) 665-6204
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Neil Willet
> > LeSueur Incorporated
> >
>

[system]

Pretty cool stats!
Thanks!

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*



On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:03 PM, cubcrafters_it <
jason.navarrete@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but it's the
> whole community thing...
>
> As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from this
> group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to stand on
> its own with regards to content.
>
> There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's just
> unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
>
> I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a more
> respectful place for that.
>
> In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> unscientifically) compiled:
>
> - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386 total
> members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there are 9
> bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from 2011 back
> through 1999
> - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't actually do a
> thread count
> - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
> - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "too_much_hg" <neil_willet@...> wrote:
> >
> > WOW, that set of a fire storm !
> >
> > I don't understand why the Owner doesn't clear out some of the old
> moderators who haven't even logged in for years.
> >
> > If the Owner or the Moderator isn't doing the maintenance why can't we
> switch to a new Owner or get some Moderators who will.
> >
> > I went to Google/Groups and searched on Epicor .... there are a BUNCH of
> groups already out there but I don't know who uses them or what they
> discuss.
> >
> > I do know that the SEARCH capability of this Yahoo group is really bad.
> Maybe we could transfer the data to a better engine and we could all just
> move over there and be done with it ?
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "too_much_hg" <neil_willet@> wrote:
> > >
> > > After repeated attempts to send a request through the normal channel I
> am unable to get a user added from our company.
> > >
> > > This has gone on for several months .....
> > >
> > > I am asking any of the Moderators to Please add the following person.
> > >
> > > Carol Pelowski
> > > cmpelows@
> > > LeSueur Incorporated
> > > Company ID 68332
> > > (507) 665-6204
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > Neil Willet
> > > LeSueur Incorporated
> > >
> >
>
>
>

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[system]

I vote that we leave Yahoo altogether and use better board software. Most of the car and motorcycle boards I've joined are based on vBulletin which allows attachments/inline graphics and uses Google for search. vBulletin would be a big upgrade to the experience here.

I have two people in my group whose requests to join have been ignored for at least a year now.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Vic Drecchio" <vic.drecchio@...> wrote:
>
> If this continues, perhaps we all bail and move to a new Yahoo group that we
> create. Ridiculous.
>
>
>

[system]

Brad...send his information to me and we will make sure they can get on...site ID is needed as well.



M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...<mailto:manasa@...>
630.806.2000 x1515

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:04 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user



I vote that we leave Yahoo altogether and use better board software. Most of the car and motorcycle boards I've joined are based on vBulletin which allows attachments/inline graphics and uses Google for search. vBulletin would be a big upgrade to the experience here.

I have two people in my group whose requests to join have been ignored for at least a year now.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Vic Drecchio" <vic.drecchio@...> wrote:
>
> If this continues, perhaps we all bail and move to a new Yahoo group that we
> create. Ridiculous.
>
>
>



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[system]

Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that it falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.

Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content? Are the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content the reason we have all the users?

I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird online puddle of ooze.

While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any one member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value to this group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.

If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would be beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much useful content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in some way or manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.

There will always be one group or location that is the most popular, smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know about the most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one, or it's part of a site that people are already logged into regularly and it's just easier than thinking about going somewhere else.

Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a large majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to receive an email about a topic that is created, or for every post that is created is the most important feature that can exist in a new location. Sure, RSS is nice, so it just visiting a site on a regular basis, but I think the reason that this group is so successful is the ease of use through email to be able to read and respond to people's inquiries.

Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to do, for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30 minutes, then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and then there is a whole new world for everyone there. The features of that closely mimic here in terms of OOB features available, and throwing on some PHPbb MODs you can fully replicate the features here, plus with the side benefit of being able to put images directly into a post, as well as attach files to posts, and if hosted on a domain, you can always add a file share or Wiki to the site as well and you have blown away what this place is capable of, also with the benefit of not needing to be tied to Yahoo and whatever it decides to do with groups over time.

No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any kind of majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a voice of dissent and will be angry about it.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cubcrafters_it" <jason.navarrete@...> wrote:
>
> There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but it's the whole community thing...
>
> As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to stand on its own with regards to content.
>
> There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's just unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
>
> I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a more respectful place for that.
>
> In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very unscientifically) compiled:
>
> - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386 total members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from 2011 back through 1999
> - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't actually do a thread count
> - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
> - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
>

[system]

I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.

I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests. Nothing wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it works well for some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's topics that I'm not particularly interested in. I've got enough email to sift through daily. I completely understand why some may prefer to just interact through email a la mailing list, but it's not for me.

An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as opposed to mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication. Different strokes...

What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware of) have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive moderators or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from either place because it's behind the login, so that limits exposure even further. Then there's the Epicor Customer Forums (which should be shuttered, IMHO).

Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators that are also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy, you appear to be our only hope.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <nedderweb@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that it falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
>
> Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content? Are the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content the reason we have all the users?
>
> I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird online puddle of ooze.
>
> While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any one member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value to this group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
>
> If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would be beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much useful content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in some way or manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
>
> There will always be one group or location that is the most popular, smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know about the most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one, or it's part of a site that people are already logged into regularly and it's just easier than thinking about going somewhere else.
>
> Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a large majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to receive an email about a topic that is created, or for every post that is created is the most important feature that can exist in a new location. Sure, RSS is nice, so it just visiting a site on a regular basis, but I think the reason that this group is so successful is the ease of use through email to be able to read and respond to people's inquiries.
>
> Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to do, for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30 minutes, then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and then there is a whole new world for everyone there. The features of that closely mimic here in terms of OOB features available, and throwing on some PHPbb MODs you can fully replicate the features here, plus with the side benefit of being able to put images directly into a post, as well as attach files to posts, and if hosted on a domain, you can always add a file share or Wiki to the site as well and you have blown away what this place is capable of, also with the benefit of not needing to be tied to Yahoo and whatever it decides to do with groups over time.
>
> No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any kind of majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a voice of dissent and will be angry about it.
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cubcrafters_it" <jason.navarrete@> wrote:
> >
> > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but it's the whole community thing...
> >
> > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to stand on its own with regards to content.
> >
> > There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's just unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> >
> > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a more respectful place for that.
> >
> > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very unscientifically) compiled:
> >
> > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386 total members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from 2011 back through 1999
> > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't actually do a thread count
> > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
> > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> >
>

[system]

General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars. Now he
begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group Owners. I
regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person,
but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you
to the group owner has failed. I have placed information vital to the
survival of the Yahoo List into the memory systems of this R2 unit. The
list Owner will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely
delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, M.
Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.

LoL sorry I had to!
*
*
*
*
*
*

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*



On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it <
jason.navarrete@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
>
> I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests. Nothing
> wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it works well for
> some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's topics that I'm not
> particularly interested in. I've got enough email to sift through daily. I
> completely understand why some may prefer to just interact through email a
> la mailing list, but it's not for me.
>
> An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as opposed to
> mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication.
> Different strokes...
>
> What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware of)
> have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive moderators
> or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from either place because
> it's behind the login, so that limits exposure even further. Then there's
> the Epicor Customer Forums (which should be shuttered, IMHO).
>
> Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators that are
> also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy, you appear to be
> our only hope.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <nedderweb@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that it
> falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> >
> > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content? Are
> the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content the
> reason we have all the users?
> >
> > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird online
> puddle of ooze.
> >
> > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any one
> member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value to this
> group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> >
> > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would be
> beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much useful
> content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in some way or
> manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> >
> > There will always be one group or location that is the most popular,
> smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know about the
> most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one, or it's part of
> a site that people are already logged into regularly and it's just easier
> than thinking about going somewhere else.
> >
> > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a large
> majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to receive
> an email about a topic that is created, or for every post that is created
> is the most important feature that can exist in a new location. Sure, RSS
> is nice, so it just visiting a site on a regular basis, but I think the
> reason that this group is so successful is the ease of use through email to
> be able to read and respond to people's inquiries.
> >
> > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to do,
> for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30 minutes,
> then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and then there is a
> whole new world for everyone there. The features of that closely mimic here
> in terms of OOB features available, and throwing on some PHPbb MODs you can
> fully replicate the features here, plus with the side benefit of being able
> to put images directly into a post, as well as attach files to posts, and
> if hosted on a domain, you can always add a file share or Wiki to the site
> as well and you have blown away what this place is capable of, also with
> the benefit of not needing to be tied to Yahoo and whatever it decides to
> do with groups over time.
> >
> > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any kind of
> majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a voice
> of dissent and will be angry about it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cubcrafters_it" <jason.navarrete@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but it's
> the whole community thing...
> > >
> > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from
> this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to
> stand on its own with regards to content.
> > >
> > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's just
> unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > >
> > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a more
> respectful place for that.
> > >
> > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> unscientifically) compiled:
> > >
> > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386 total
> members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there are 9
> bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from 2011 back
> through 1999
> > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't actually do
> a thread count
> > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
> > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > >
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

LOL...I needed that!!!

:)

Â
Â
M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
630.806.2000 x1515


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:57 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user

General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group Owners. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to the group owner has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Yahoo List into the memory systems of this R2 unit. The list Owner will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, M.
Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.

LoL sorry I had to!
*
*
*
*
*
*

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it < jason.navarrete@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
>
> I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests.
> Nothing wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it
> works well for some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's
> topics that I'm not particularly interested in. I've got enough email
> to sift through daily. I completely understand why some may prefer to
> just interact through email a la mailing list, but it's not for me.
>
> An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as opposed
> to mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication.
> Different strokes...
>
> What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware of)
> have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive
> moderators or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from
> either place because it's behind the login, so that limits exposure
> even further. Then there's the Epicor Customer Forums (which should be shuttered, IMHO).
>
> Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators that
> are also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy, you
> appear to be our only hope.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <nedderweb@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that it
> falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> >
> > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content?
> > Are
> the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content the
> reason we have all the users?
> >
> > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird
> > online
> puddle of ooze.
> >
> > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any one
> member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value to this
> group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> >
> > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would
> > be
> beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much
> useful content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in some
> way or manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> >
> > There will always be one group or location that is the most popular,
> smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know
> about the most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one,
> or it's part of a site that people are already logged into regularly
> and it's just easier than thinking about going somewhere else.
> >
> > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a large
> majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to
> receive an email about a topic that is created, or for every post that
> is created is the most important feature that can exist in a new
> location. Sure, RSS is nice, so it just visiting a site on a regular
> basis, but I think the reason that this group is so successful is the
> ease of use through email to be able to read and respond to people's inquiries.
> >
> > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to
> > do,
> for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30
> minutes, then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and then
> there is a whole new world for everyone there. The features of that
> closely mimic here in terms of OOB features available, and throwing on
> some PHPbb MODs you can fully replicate the features here, plus with
> the side benefit of being able to put images directly into a post, as
> well as attach files to posts, and if hosted on a domain, you can
> always add a file share or Wiki to the site as well and you have blown
> away what this place is capable of, also with the benefit of not
> needing to be tied to Yahoo and whatever it decides to do with groups over time.
> >
> > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any kind
> > of
> majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a
> voice of dissent and will be angry about it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cubcrafters_it" <jason.navarrete@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but
> > > it's
> the whole community thing...
> > >
> > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from
> this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to
> stand on its own with regards to content.
> > >
> > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's
> > > just
> unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > >
> > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a
> > > more
> respectful place for that.
> > >
> > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> unscientifically) compiled:
> > >
> > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386
> > > total
> members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there
> are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from
> 2011 back through 1999
> > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't
> > > actually do
> a thread count
> > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
> > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > >
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



------------------------------------

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(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links

[system]

Twice... Twice I've strongly considered making a Star Wars related comment on this forum and withheld it assuming either A) No one would have a clue what I'm talking about or B) I would be booed from the usergroup. However I can now see it is open season on such topics... game on.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Jose Gomez <jose@...> wrote:
>
> General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars. Now he
> begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group Owners. I
> regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person,
> but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you
> to the group owner has failed. I have placed information vital to the
> survival of the Yahoo List into the memory systems of this R2 unit. The
> list Owner will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely
> delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, M.
> Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.
>
> LoL sorry I had to!
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...
> http://www.josecgomez.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it <
> jason.navarrete@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> > listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
> >
> > I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests. Nothing
> > wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it works well for
> > some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's topics that I'm not
> > particularly interested in. I've got enough email to sift through daily. I
> > completely understand why some may prefer to just interact through email a
> > la mailing list, but it's not for me.
> >
> > An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as opposed to
> > mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication.
> > Different strokes...
> >
> > What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware of)
> > have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive moderators
> > or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from either place because
> > it's behind the login, so that limits exposure even further. Then there's
> > the Epicor Customer Forums (which should be shuttered, IMHO).
> >
> > Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators that are
> > also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy, you appear to be
> > our only hope.
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <nedderweb@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that it
> > falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> > >
> > > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content? Are
> > the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content the
> > reason we have all the users?
> > >
> > > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird online
> > puddle of ooze.
> > >
> > > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> > entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any one
> > member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value to this
> > group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> > >
> > > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would be
> > beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much useful
> > content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in some way or
> > manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> > >
> > > There will always be one group or location that is the most popular,
> > smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know about the
> > most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one, or it's part of
> > a site that people are already logged into regularly and it's just easier
> > than thinking about going somewhere else.
> > >
> > > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a large
> > majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to receive
> > an email about a topic that is created, or for every post that is created
> > is the most important feature that can exist in a new location. Sure, RSS
> > is nice, so it just visiting a site on a regular basis, but I think the
> > reason that this group is so successful is the ease of use through email to
> > be able to read and respond to people's inquiries.
> > >
> > > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to do,
> > for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30 minutes,
> > then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and then there is a
> > whole new world for everyone there. The features of that closely mimic here
> > in terms of OOB features available, and throwing on some PHPbb MODs you can
> > fully replicate the features here, plus with the side benefit of being able
> > to put images directly into a post, as well as attach files to posts, and
> > if hosted on a domain, you can always add a file share or Wiki to the site
> > as well and you have blown away what this place is capable of, also with
> > the benefit of not needing to be tied to Yahoo and whatever it decides to
> > do with groups over time.
> > >
> > > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any kind of
> > majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a voice
> > of dissent and will be angry about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cubcrafters_it" <jason.navarrete@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but it's
> > the whole community thing...
> > > >
> > > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from
> > this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to
> > stand on its own with regards to content.
> > > >
> > > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's just
> > unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a more
> > respectful place for that.
> > > >
> > > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> > unscientifically) compiled:
> > > >
> > > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386 total
> > members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there are 9
> > bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from 2011 back
> > through 1999
> > > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't actually do
> > a thread count
> > > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
> > > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[system]

I was wondering WTH Jose was rambling about. LOL





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
jgiese1988
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:09 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user





Twice... Twice I've strongly considered making a Star Wars related comment
on this forum and withheld it assuming either A) No one would have a clue
what I'm talking about or B) I would be booed from the usergroup. However I
can now see it is open season on such topics... game on.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , Jose
Gomez <jose@...> wrote:

>
> General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars. Now he
> begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group Owners. I
> regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person,
> but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you
> to the group owner has failed. I have placed information vital to the
> survival of the Yahoo List into the memory systems of this R2 unit. The
> list Owner will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely
> delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This is our most desperate hour. Help

me, M.

> Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.
>
> LoL sorry I had to!
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...
> http://www.josecgomez.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez>

<http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>

> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it <
> jason.navarrete@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> > listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
> >
> > I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests. Nothing
> > wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it works well for
> > some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's topics that I'm not
> > particularly interested in. I've got enough email to sift through daily.

I

> > completely understand why some may prefer to just interact through email

a

> > la mailing list, but it's not for me.
> >
> > An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as opposed to
> > mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication.
> > Different strokes...
> >
> > What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware of)
> > have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive

moderators

> > or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from either place

because

> > it's behind the login, so that limits exposure even further. Then

there's

> > the Epicor Customer Forums (which should be shuttered, IMHO).
> >
> > Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators that

are

> > also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy, you appear to

be

> > our only hope.
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"Ned" <nedderweb@> wrote:

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that it
> > falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> > >
> > > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content?

Are

> > the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content the
> > reason we have all the users?
> > >
> > > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird online
> > puddle of ooze.
> > >
> > > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> > entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any one
> > member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value to this
> > group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> > >
> > > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would be
> > beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much useful
> > content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in some way or
> > manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> > >
> > > There will always be one group or location that is the most popular,
> > smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know about

the

> > most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one, or it's part

of

> > a site that people are already logged into regularly and it's just

easier

> > than thinking about going somewhere else.
> > >
> > > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a large
> > majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to

receive

> > an email about a topic that is created, or for every post that is

created

> > is the most important feature that can exist in a new location. Sure,

RSS

> > is nice, so it just visiting a site on a regular basis, but I think the
> > reason that this group is so successful is the ease of use through email

to

> > be able to read and respond to people's inquiries.
> > >
> > > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to do,
> > for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30 minutes,
> > then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and then there is a
> > whole new world for everyone there. The features of that closely mimic

here

> > in terms of OOB features available, and throwing on some PHPbb MODs you

can

> > fully replicate the features here, plus with the side benefit of being

able

> > to put images directly into a post, as well as attach files to posts,

and

> > if hosted on a domain, you can always add a file share or Wiki to the

site

> > as well and you have blown away what this place is capable of, also with
> > the benefit of not needing to be tied to Yahoo and whatever it decides

to

> > do with groups over time.
> > >
> > > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any kind of
> > majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a

voice

> > of dissent and will be angry about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"cubcrafters_it" <jason.navarrete@>

> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but it's
> > the whole community thing...
> > > >
> > > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from
> > this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to
> > stand on its own with regards to content.
> > > >
> > > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's

just

> > unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a

more

> > respectful place for that.
> > > >
> > > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> > unscientifically) compiled:
> > > >
> > > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386 total
> > members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there

are 9

> > bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from 2011

back

> > through 1999
> > > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't actually

do

> > a thread count
> > > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
> > > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[system]

As to everyone's responses about wanting to leave yahoo for whatever reasons....

In my opinion based on the statistics sent earlier, I sure as hell do not want to make a decision for 2600+ customers. I know I am probably not part of the 54 people that make up 75% of the responses and I definitely do not want those 54 people making the decision for me.

Granted if we were to vote, I know I would vote, but I would want to make sure that a good percentage of those 2600+ customer actually voted as well. Not just the 54 people.

So whatever we do please make sure a good number of people vote and if we don't get the people to respond then we don't make the change. I just don't think it would be right.



Â
Â
M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...
630.806.2000 x1515


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:57 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user

General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group Owners. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to the group owner has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Yahoo List into the memory systems of this R2 unit. The list Owner will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, M.
Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.

LoL sorry I had to!
*
*
*
*
*
*

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it < jason.navarrete@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
>
> I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests.
> Nothing wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it
> works well for some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's
> topics that I'm not particularly interested in. I've got enough email
> to sift through daily. I completely understand why some may prefer to
> just interact through email a la mailing list, but it's not for me.
>
> An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as opposed
> to mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication.
> Different strokes...
>
> What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware of)
> have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive
> moderators or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from
> either place because it's behind the login, so that limits exposure
> even further. Then there's the Epicor Customer Forums (which should be shuttered, IMHO).
>
> Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators that
> are also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy, you
> appear to be our only hope.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <nedderweb@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that it
> falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> >
> > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content?
> > Are
> the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content the
> reason we have all the users?
> >
> > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird
> > online
> puddle of ooze.
> >
> > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any one
> member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value to this
> group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> >
> > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would
> > be
> beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much
> useful content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in some
> way or manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> >
> > There will always be one group or location that is the most popular,
> smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know
> about the most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one,
> or it's part of a site that people are already logged into regularly
> and it's just easier than thinking about going somewhere else.
> >
> > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a large
> majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to
> receive an email about a topic that is created, or for every post that
> is created is the most important feature that can exist in a new
> location. Sure, RSS is nice, so it just visiting a site on a regular
> basis, but I think the reason that this group is so successful is the
> ease of use through email to be able to read and respond to people's inquiries.
> >
> > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to
> > do,
> for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30
> minutes, then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and then
> there is a whole new world for everyone there. The features of that
> closely mimic here in terms of OOB features available, and throwing on
> some PHPbb MODs you can fully replicate the features here, plus with
> the side benefit of being able to put images directly into a post, as
> well as attach files to posts, and if hosted on a domain, you can
> always add a file share or Wiki to the site as well and you have blown
> away what this place is capable of, also with the benefit of not
> needing to be tied to Yahoo and whatever it decides to do with groups over time.
> >
> > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any kind
> > of
> majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a
> voice of dissent and will be angry about it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cubcrafters_it" <jason.navarrete@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but
> > > it's
> the whole community thing...
> > >
> > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from
> this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to
> stand on its own with regards to content.
> > >
> > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's
> > > just
> unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > >
> > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a
> > > more
> respectful place for that.
> > >
> > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> unscientifically) compiled:
> > >
> > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386
> > > total
> members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there
> are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from
> 2011 back through 1999
> > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't
> > > actually do
> a thread count
> > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
> > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > >
> >
>
>
>


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[system]

Lets take a poll and see what happens? Problem is not everyone will vote. I
made it so that you can only vote once

http://goo.gl/6qAxz



*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Manasa Reddy <manasa@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> As to everyone's responses about wanting to leave yahoo for whatever
> reasons....
>
> In my opinion based on the statistics sent earlier, I sure as hell do not
> want to make a decision for 2600+ customers. I know I am probably not part
> of the 54 people that make up 75% of the responses and I definitely do not
> want those 54 people making the decision for me.
>
> Granted if we were to vote, I know I would vote, but I would want to make
> sure that a good percentage of those 2600+ customer actually voted as well.
> Not just the 54 people.
>
> So whatever we do please make sure a good number of people vote and if we
> don't get the people to respond then we don't make the change. I just don't
> think it would be right.
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> manasa@...
> 630.806.2000 x1515
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jose Gomez
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:57 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
>
> General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars. Now he
> begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group Owners. I
> regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person,
> but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you
> to the group owner has failed. I have placed information vital to the
> survival of the Yahoo List into the memory systems of this R2 unit. The
> list Owner will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely
> delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This is our most desperate hour. Help me,
> M.
> Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.
>
> LoL sorry I had to!
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...
> http://www.josecgomez.com
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez
> >
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it <
> jason.navarrete@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> > listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
> >
> > I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests.
> > Nothing wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it
> > works well for some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's
> > topics that I'm not particularly interested in. I've got enough email
> > to sift through daily. I completely understand why some may prefer to
> > just interact through email a la mailing list, but it's not for me.
> >
> > An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as opposed
> > to mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication.
> > Different strokes...
> >
> > What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware of)
> > have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive
> > moderators or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from
> > either place because it's behind the login, so that limits exposure
> > even further. Then there's the Epicor Customer Forums (which should be
> shuttered, IMHO).
> >
> > Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators that
> > are also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy, you
> > appear to be our only hope.
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <nedderweb@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that it
> > falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> > >
> > > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content?
> > > Are
> > the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content the
> > reason we have all the users?
> > >
> > > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird
> > > online
> > puddle of ooze.
> > >
> > > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> > entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any one
> > member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value to this
> > group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> > >
> > > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would
> > > be
> > beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much
> > useful content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in some
> > way or manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> > >
> > > There will always be one group or location that is the most popular,
> > smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know
> > about the most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one,
> > or it's part of a site that people are already logged into regularly
> > and it's just easier than thinking about going somewhere else.
> > >
> > > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a large
> > majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to
> > receive an email about a topic that is created, or for every post that
> > is created is the most important feature that can exist in a new
> > location. Sure, RSS is nice, so it just visiting a site on a regular
> > basis, but I think the reason that this group is so successful is the
> > ease of use through email to be able to read and respond to people's
> inquiries.
> > >
> > > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to
> > > do,
> > for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30
> > minutes, then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and then
> > there is a whole new world for everyone there. The features of that
> > closely mimic here in terms of OOB features available, and throwing on
> > some PHPbb MODs you can fully replicate the features here, plus with
> > the side benefit of being able to put images directly into a post, as
> > well as attach files to posts, and if hosted on a domain, you can
> > always add a file share or Wiki to the site as well and you have blown
> > away what this place is capable of, also with the benefit of not
> > needing to be tied to Yahoo and whatever it decides to do with groups
> over time.
> > >
> > > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any kind
> > > of
> > majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a
> > voice of dissent and will be angry about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cubcrafters_it" <jason.navarrete@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but
> > > > it's
> > the whole community thing...
> > > >
> > > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from
> > this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to
> > stand on its own with regards to content.
> > > >
> > > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's
> > > > just
> > unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a
> > > > more
> > respectful place for that.
> > > >
> > > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> > unscientifically) compiled:
> > > >
> > > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386
> > > > total
> > members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there
> > are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from
> > 2011 back through 1999
> > > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't
> > > > actually do
> > a thread count
> > > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
> > > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[system]

I nominate Jose...

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Jose Gomez <jose@...> wrote:

> Lets take a poll and see what happens? Problem is not everyone will vote. I
> made it so that you can only vote once
>
> http://goo.gl/6qAxz
>
>
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...
> http://www.josecgomez.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <
> http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <
> http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Manasa Reddy <manasa@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > As to everyone's responses about wanting to leave yahoo for whatever
> > reasons....
> >
> > In my opinion based on the statistics sent earlier, I sure as hell do not
> > want to make a decision for 2600+ customers. I know I am probably not
> part
> > of the 54 people that make up 75% of the responses and I definitely do
> not
> > want those 54 people making the decision for me.
> >
> > Granted if we were to vote, I know I would vote, but I would want to make
> > sure that a good percentage of those 2600+ customer actually voted as
> well.
> > Not just the 54 people.
> >
> > So whatever we do please make sure a good number of people vote and if we
> > don't get the people to respond then we don't make the change. I just
> don't
> > think it would be right.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > M. Manasa Reddy
> > manasa@...
> > 630.806.2000 x1515
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of Jose Gomez
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:57 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
> >
> > General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars. Now
> he
> > begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group Owners. I
> > regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person,
> > but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring
> you
> > to the group owner has failed. I have placed information vital to the
> > survival of the Yahoo List into the memory systems of this R2 unit. The
> > list Owner will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely
> > delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This is our most desperate hour. Help
> me,
> > M.
> > Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.
> >
> > LoL sorry I had to!
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> >
> > *Jose C Gomez*
> > *Software Engineer*
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> > E: jose@...
> > http://www.josecgomez.com
> >
> > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <
> http://www.facebook.com/josegomez
> > >
> > <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <
> http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> > <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> > <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> > <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
> >
> > *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it <
> > jason.navarrete@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> > > listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
> > >
> > > I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests.
> > > Nothing wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it
> > > works well for some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's
> > > topics that I'm not particularly interested in. I've got enough email
> > > to sift through daily. I completely understand why some may prefer to
> > > just interact through email a la mailing list, but it's not for me.
> > >
> > > An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as opposed
> > > to mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of
> communication.
> > > Different strokes...
> > >
> > > What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware of)
> > > have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive
> > > moderators or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from
> > > either place because it's behind the login, so that limits exposure
> > > even further. Then there's the Epicor Customer Forums (which should be
> > shuttered, IMHO).
> > >
> > > Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators that
> > > are also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy, you
> > > appear to be our only hope.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <nedderweb@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that it
> > > falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> > > >
> > > > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content?
> > > > Are
> > > the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content the
> > > reason we have all the users?
> > > >
> > > > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird
> > > > online
> > > puddle of ooze.
> > > >
> > > > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> > > entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any one
> > > member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value to this
> > > group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> > > >
> > > > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would
> > > > be
> > > beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much
> > > useful content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in some
> > > way or manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> > > >
> > > > There will always be one group or location that is the most popular,
> > > smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know
> > > about the most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one,
> > > or it's part of a site that people are already logged into regularly
> > > and it's just easier than thinking about going somewhere else.
> > > >
> > > > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a large
> > > majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to
> > > receive an email about a topic that is created, or for every post that
> > > is created is the most important feature that can exist in a new
> > > location. Sure, RSS is nice, so it just visiting a site on a regular
> > > basis, but I think the reason that this group is so successful is the
> > > ease of use through email to be able to read and respond to people's
> > inquiries.
> > > >
> > > > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to
> > > > do,
> > > for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30
> > > minutes, then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and then
> > > there is a whole new world for everyone there. The features of that
> > > closely mimic here in terms of OOB features available, and throwing on
> > > some PHPbb MODs you can fully replicate the features here, plus with
> > > the side benefit of being able to put images directly into a post, as
> > > well as attach files to posts, and if hosted on a domain, you can
> > > always add a file share or Wiki to the site as well and you have blown
> > > away what this place is capable of, also with the benefit of not
> > > needing to be tied to Yahoo and whatever it decides to do with groups
> > over time.
> > > >
> > > > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any kind
> > > > of
> > > majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a
> > > voice of dissent and will be angry about it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cubcrafters_it" <jason.navarrete@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but
> > > > > it's
> > > the whole community thing...
> > > > >
> > > > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content from
> > > this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need to
> > > stand on its own with regards to content.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there, it's
> > > > > just
> > > unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably a
> > > > > more
> > > respectful place for that.
> > > > >
> > > > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> > > unscientifically) compiled:
> > > > >
> > > > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386
> > > > > total
> > > members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly, there
> > > are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else is from
> > > 2011 back through 1999
> > > > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't
> > > > > actually do
> > > a thread count
> > > > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting content
> > > > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have
> > already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> > Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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[system]

Im open to lending a hand if need be..here or elsewhere...

Rob Bucek
Production Control Manager
PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
Mobile: (715)896-4832
FAX: (715)284-4084

(Click the logo to view our site)


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user

Lets take a poll and see what happens? Problem is not everyone will vote. I made it so that you can only vote once

http://goo.gl/6qAxz



*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Manasa Reddy <manasa@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> As to everyone's responses about wanting to leave yahoo for whatever
> reasons....
>
> In my opinion based on the statistics sent earlier, I sure as hell do
> not want to make a decision for 2600+ customers. I know I am probably
> not part of the 54 people that make up 75% of the responses and I
> definitely do not want those 54 people making the decision for me.
>
> Granted if we were to vote, I know I would vote, but I would want to
> make sure that a good percentage of those 2600+ customer actually voted as well.
> Not just the 54 people.
>
> So whatever we do please make sure a good number of people vote and if
> we don't get the people to respond then we don't make the change. I
> just don't think it would be right.
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> manasa@...
> 630.806.2000 x1515
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Jose Gomez
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:57 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
>
> General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars.
> Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group
> Owners. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to
> you in person, but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my
> mission to bring you to the group owner has failed. I have placed
> information vital to the survival of the Yahoo List into the memory
> systems of this R2 unit. The list Owner will know how to retrieve it.
> You must see this droid safely delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This
> is our most desperate hour. Help me, M.
> Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.
>
> LoL sorry I had to!
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...
> http://www.josecgomez.com
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez>
> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez
> >
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez>
> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it <
> jason.navarrete@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> > listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
> >
> > I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests.
> > Nothing wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it
> > works well for some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's
> > topics that I'm not particularly interested in. I've got enough
> > email to sift through daily. I completely understand why some may
> > prefer to just interact through email a la mailing list, but it's not for me.
> >
> > An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as
> > opposed to mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication.
> > Different strokes...
> >
> > What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware
> > of) have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive
> > moderators or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from
> > either place because it's behind the login, so that limits exposure
> > even further. Then there's the Epicor Customer Forums (which should
> > be
> shuttered, IMHO).
> >
> > Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators
> > that are also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy,
> > you appear to be our only hope.
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <nedderweb@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that
> > > it
> > falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> > >
> > > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content?
> > > Are
> > the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content
> > the reason we have all the users?
> > >
> > > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird
> > > online
> > puddle of ooze.
> > >
> > > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> > entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any
> > one member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value
> > to this group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> > >
> > > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would
> > > be
> > beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much
> > useful content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in
> > some way or manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> > >
> > > There will always be one group or location that is the most
> > > popular,
> > smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know
> > about the most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one,
> > or it's part of a site that people are already logged into regularly
> > and it's just easier than thinking about going somewhere else.
> > >
> > > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a
> > > large
> > majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to
> > receive an email about a topic that is created, or for every post
> > that is created is the most important feature that can exist in a
> > new location. Sure, RSS is nice, so it just visiting a site on a
> > regular basis, but I think the reason that this group is so
> > successful is the ease of use through email to be able to read and
> > respond to people's
> inquiries.
> > >
> > > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to
> > > do,
> > for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30
> > minutes, then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and
> > then there is a whole new world for everyone there. The features of
> > that closely mimic here in terms of OOB features available, and
> > throwing on some PHPbb MODs you can fully replicate the features
> > here, plus with the side benefit of being able to put images
> > directly into a post, as well as attach files to posts, and if
> > hosted on a domain, you can always add a file share or Wiki to the
> > site as well and you have blown away what this place is capable of,
> > also with the benefit of not needing to be tied to Yahoo and
> > whatever it decides to do with groups
> over time.
> > >
> > > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any
> > > kind of
> > majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a
> > voice of dissent and will be angry about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cubcrafters_it"
> > > <jason.navarrete@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but
> > > > it's
> > the whole community thing...
> > > >
> > > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content
> > > > from
> > this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need
> > to stand on its own with regards to content.
> > > >
> > > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there,
> > > > it's just
> > unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably
> > > > a more
> > respectful place for that.
> > > >
> > > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> > unscientifically) compiled:
> > > >
> > > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386
> > > > total
> > members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly,
> > there are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else
> > is from
> > 2011 back through 1999
> > > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't
> > > > actually do
> > a thread count
> > > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting
> > > > content
> > > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
> )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links

[system]

You should probably modify your poll though jose.. even if we stay or go elsewhere..we still need better moderators.. I don't think the two choices are mutually exclusive of one another..

Rob Bucek
Production Control Manager
PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
Mobile: (715)896-4832
FAX: (715)284-4084

(Click the logo to view our site)


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user

Lets take a poll and see what happens? Problem is not everyone will vote. I made it so that you can only vote once

http://goo.gl/6qAxz



*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Manasa Reddy <manasa@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> As to everyone's responses about wanting to leave yahoo for whatever
> reasons....
>
> In my opinion based on the statistics sent earlier, I sure as hell do
> not want to make a decision for 2600+ customers. I know I am probably
> not part of the 54 people that make up 75% of the responses and I
> definitely do not want those 54 people making the decision for me.
>
> Granted if we were to vote, I know I would vote, but I would want to
> make sure that a good percentage of those 2600+ customer actually voted as well.
> Not just the 54 people.
>
> So whatever we do please make sure a good number of people vote and if
> we don't get the people to respond then we don't make the change. I
> just don't think it would be right.
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> manasa@...
> 630.806.2000 x1515
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Jose Gomez
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:57 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
>
> General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars.
> Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group
> Owners. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to
> you in person, but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my
> mission to bring you to the group owner has failed. I have placed
> information vital to the survival of the Yahoo List into the memory
> systems of this R2 unit. The list Owner will know how to retrieve it.
> You must see this droid safely delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This
> is our most desperate hour. Help me, M.
> Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.
>
> LoL sorry I had to!
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...
> http://www.josecgomez.com
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez>
> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez
> >
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez>
> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it <
> jason.navarrete@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> > listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
> >
> > I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests.
> > Nothing wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it
> > works well for some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's
> > topics that I'm not particularly interested in. I've got enough
> > email to sift through daily. I completely understand why some may
> > prefer to just interact through email a la mailing list, but it's not for me.
> >
> > An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as
> > opposed to mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication.
> > Different strokes...
> >
> > What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware
> > of) have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive
> > moderators or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from
> > either place because it's behind the login, so that limits exposure
> > even further. Then there's the Epicor Customer Forums (which should
> > be
> shuttered, IMHO).
> >
> > Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators
> > that are also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy,
> > you appear to be our only hope.
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ned" <nedderweb@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that
> > > it
> > falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> > >
> > > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content?
> > > Are
> > the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content
> > the reason we have all the users?
> > >
> > > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird
> > > online
> > puddle of ooze.
> > >
> > > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> > entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any
> > one member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value
> > to this group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> > >
> > > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would
> > > be
> > beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much
> > useful content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in
> > some way or manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> > >
> > > There will always be one group or location that is the most
> > > popular,
> > smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know
> > about the most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one,
> > or it's part of a site that people are already logged into regularly
> > and it's just easier than thinking about going somewhere else.
> > >
> > > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a
> > > large
> > majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to
> > receive an email about a topic that is created, or for every post
> > that is created is the most important feature that can exist in a
> > new location. Sure, RSS is nice, so it just visiting a site on a
> > regular basis, but I think the reason that this group is so
> > successful is the ease of use through email to be able to read and
> > respond to people's
> inquiries.
> > >
> > > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to
> > > do,
> > for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30
> > minutes, then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and
> > then there is a whole new world for everyone there. The features of
> > that closely mimic here in terms of OOB features available, and
> > throwing on some PHPbb MODs you can fully replicate the features
> > here, plus with the side benefit of being able to put images
> > directly into a post, as well as attach files to posts, and if
> > hosted on a domain, you can always add a file share or Wiki to the
> > site as well and you have blown away what this place is capable of,
> > also with the benefit of not needing to be tied to Yahoo and
> > whatever it decides to do with groups
> over time.
> > >
> > > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any
> > > kind of
> > majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a
> > voice of dissent and will be angry about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "cubcrafters_it"
> > > <jason.navarrete@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but
> > > > it's
> > the whole community thing...
> > > >
> > > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content
> > > > from
> > this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need
> > to stand on its own with regards to content.
> > > >
> > > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there,
> > > > it's just
> > unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably
> > > > a more
> > respectful place for that.
> > > >
> > > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> > unscientifically) compiled:
> > > >
> > > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386
> > > > total
> > members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly,
> > there are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else
> > is from
> > 2011 back through 1999
> > > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't
> > > > actually do
> > a thread count
> > > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting
> > > > content
> > > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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I would like to stay with Yahoo. I have been on this group for over 12 years.
The emails sent to the group are forwarded to me at my work email and I have 2 pst files with almost every email send since 2000 to the group.
Using Outlook, it is very easy to search for topics of interest.
I do understand the features might be better in other venues, but I guess I'm just old school.
Some sites like you mentioned going to are blocked by different corporations, so we would need to take that into consideration when / if switching to something else.
Just like the poll / survey link, it's blocked here.

My 2 cents,
Thanks,
Jim Moore

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Bucek
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user



You should probably modify your poll though jose.. even if we stay or go elsewhere..we still need better moderators.. I don't think the two choices are mutually exclusive of one another..

Rob Bucek
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-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user

Lets take a poll and see what happens? Problem is not everyone will vote. I made it so that you can only vote once

http://goo.gl/6qAxz

*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...<mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com>
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Manasa Reddy <manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>> wrote:

> **
>
>
> As to everyone's responses about wanting to leave yahoo for whatever
> reasons....
>
> In my opinion based on the statistics sent earlier, I sure as hell do
> not want to make a decision for 2600+ customers. I know I am probably
> not part of the 54 people that make up 75% of the responses and I
> definitely do not want those 54 people making the decision for me.
>
> Granted if we were to vote, I know I would vote, but I would want to
> make sure that a good percentage of those 2600+ customer actually voted as well.
> Not just the 54 people.
>
> So whatever we do please make sure a good number of people vote and if
> we don't get the people to respond then we don't make the change. I
> just don't think it would be right.
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
> 630.806.2000 x1515
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Jose Gomez
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:57 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
>
> General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars.
> Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group
> Owners. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to
> you in person, but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my
> mission to bring you to the group owner has failed. I have placed
> information vital to the survival of the Yahoo List into the memory
> systems of this R2 unit. The list Owner will know how to retrieve it.
> You must see this droid safely delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This
> is our most desperate hour. Help me, M.
> Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.
>
> LoL sorry I had to!
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...<mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com>
> http://www.josecgomez.com
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez>
> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez
> >
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez>
> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it <
> jason.navarrete@...<mailto:jason.navarrete%40cubcrafters.com>> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> > listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
> >
> > I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests.
> > Nothing wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it
> > works well for some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's
> > topics that I'm not particularly interested in. I've got enough
> > email to sift through daily. I completely understand why some may
> > prefer to just interact through email a la mailing list, but it's not for me.
> >
> > An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as
> > opposed to mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication.
> > Different strokes...
> >
> > What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware
> > of) have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive
> > moderators or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from
> > either place because it's behind the login, so that limits exposure
> > even further. Then there's the Epicor Customer Forums (which should
> > be
> shuttered, IMHO).
> >
> > Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators
> > that are also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy,
> > you appear to be our only hope.
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Ned" <nedderweb@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that
> > > it
> > falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> > >
> > > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content?
> > > Are
> > the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content
> > the reason we have all the users?
> > >
> > > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird
> > > online
> > puddle of ooze.
> > >
> > > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> > entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any
> > one member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value
> > to this group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> > >
> > > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would
> > > be
> > beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much
> > useful content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in
> > some way or manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> > >
> > > There will always be one group or location that is the most
> > > popular,
> > smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know
> > about the most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one,
> > or it's part of a site that people are already logged into regularly
> > and it's just easier than thinking about going somewhere else.
> > >
> > > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a
> > > large
> > majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to
> > receive an email about a topic that is created, or for every post
> > that is created is the most important feature that can exist in a
> > new location. Sure, RSS is nice, so it just visiting a site on a
> > regular basis, but I think the reason that this group is so
> > successful is the ease of use through email to be able to read and
> > respond to people's
> inquiries.
> > >
> > > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to
> > > do,
> > for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30
> > minutes, then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and
> > then there is a whole new world for everyone there. The features of
> > that closely mimic here in terms of OOB features available, and
> > throwing on some PHPbb MODs you can fully replicate the features
> > here, plus with the side benefit of being able to put images
> > directly into a post, as well as attach files to posts, and if
> > hosted on a domain, you can always add a file share or Wiki to the
> > site as well and you have blown away what this place is capable of,
> > also with the benefit of not needing to be tied to Yahoo and
> > whatever it decides to do with groups
> over time.
> > >
> > > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any
> > > kind of
> > majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a
> > voice of dissent and will be angry about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "cubcrafters_it"
> > > <jason.navarrete@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but
> > > > it's
> > the whole community thing...
> > > >
> > > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content
> > > > from
> > this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need
> > to stand on its own with regards to content.
> > > >
> > > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there,
> > > > it's just
> > unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably
> > > > a more
> > respectful place for that.
> > > >
> > > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> > unscientifically) compiled:
> > > >
> > > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386
> > > > total
> > members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly,
> > there are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else
> > is from
> > 2011 back through 1999
> > > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't
> > > > actually do
> > a thread count
> > > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting
> > > > content
> > > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
> )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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