I joined EUG to get the discount. It's paying off with 2 of us going to Perspectives this year - BUT (and that's a very big but) I am not active as I have seen no process in place that allows me the freedom to communicate with other users like we do here. If it wasn't for the gun to my head so to speak, I agree, I have not seen or been shown a true value to joining.
Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] As moderator - Please read -
We discussed this at Perspectives last year in the YahooGroup mini-meeting. At the time those present sort of felt the same as expressed in the post below....why? I am not opposed to joining EUG and just might get up the nerve to ask my boss to pay for it...when I have a convincing "payback" proposal besides a Perspectives discount because I can already 100%+ justify Perspectives at full cost.
This listserv meets my needs for interaction with other users on a day-to-day basis. Since EUG does not operate a bulletin board system or mail list service that can rival this free (with ads) service their value proposition is diminished. Yes, they are the "official" voice of the users (meaning that Epicor listens to them before us "non-members") but right now my suspicion is that most of the Vantage sites are not members precisely because there is a viable, free, alternative. Meaning, I suppose, that officially Vantage users have no voice for things like upgrade prioritization.
I sort of gag on the thought that in order to have any voice with a vendor I must have a gun to my head to "join or else". I would much rather join because joining has some proven value. So far is Epicor listening to EUG and responding? I really want to see more committment AND more proof of this sort of partnership. Until then...I would stick with this Yahoo Group.
My couple cents,
-Todd C,
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of todd Anderson
Sent: Fri 9/16/2005 5:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [Vantage] As moderator - Please read -
Al / Jeff,
Let's see ... for a yearly fee we can join the "Official" EPICOR's User
Group ...
Quote: "EUG members get a discount to Perspectives that (almost) pays for
the cost of the membership"
Almost?
If we all paid to join EUG then EPICOR would be happy to use THAT list to
work with all of us?
As opposed to the current situation where we have a ton of EPICOR employees
on the list that monitor the traffic while they are TOLD that they are not
allowed to post BECAUSE this is not an "Official" list?
At one point the argument by EPICOR for not posting on this list was that
Vantage customer's pay money for maintenance so they CAN call tech support.
Participating in dialogue on this list would be contrary to that arrangement
...
So I'll post it to the entire group - would you like to dissolve this list
and pay for membership to the EUG so you can participate in an "Official"
EPICOR user's group as opposed to this sometimes irrelevant, odd, peculiar
group?
Do you like having a list that is independent of EPICOR?
Todd Anderson
Moderator # 2 of 3
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ald55432
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 2:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: 1,176 people on the list - ask away - it's FREE and
you don't have to buy a plane ticket !
[/Quote]> Years ago I suggested that EPICOR use the list to evaluate
suggested changes > to modules. Subject line: "EPICOR's proposed
changes to XXX module - What > do you think of these ideas?" Sure
would be nice to have 1,179 people > review this stuff BEFORE it
gets written. You would think that EPICOR would ---jump--- at the
chance of having a FREE way to tap into all of us for ideas. Some
companies actually PAY to have focus groups. How about a focus
group with 1,179 members who would LOVE the chance to be involved in
the future of this product!
This list is a possibility for 1,179 people to talk to each other
who will likely never meet in person. Personal opinion - we aren't
even using 1% of the potential for a tool like this. [/Unquote]
I'd like jump in here. My name is Al DeWitt and I am the current
Secretary of the Epicor Users Group (EUG). I, along with Jeff
Glaze, would like to invite you to consider the joining the EUG.
Why join the EUG?
- The EUG is the one user group officially recognized by Epicor.
- EUG members get a discount to Perspectives that (almost) pays
for the cost of the membership if you send one person and you
actually save money if you send two or more.
- Epicor Avanté users have developed a great network of SIGs and
are currently using that to prioritize enhancements to their
product. We would love to help get your SIGs organized and your
voice heard.
If you would like more information feel free to check our our
website: www.epicorusers.org or contact me or the EUG Vantage
Liaison, Jeff Glaze.
Thanks for reading.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
SPONSORED LINKS
Membership database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=zumlzfMugtt6gdHbPv4SEw> Database mortgage software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=gjZta7wG6hZqdrJXzK2Teg> Pda database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=3Hn54KU1wFHab_pC8mcmQw>
Database management software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=36Lz5dDq6L3dzupiJwAffg> Database marketing software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=k5h2EoDyGba8G2MtsW5WSQ> Online database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Online+database+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=-puLLcDG0gUTIJTiT0fjEw>
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
SPONSORED LINKS
Manufacturing software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=AvWEwtBBb2CCZUYeLzjLVQ>
Membership database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=8uEu2piLZhrmuaS0aRTs5A>
Database mortgage software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=WxJOMUVfawa-Spj4srksIw>
Pda database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=8c6UocdSpoECWlSALplOdQ>
Database management software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=C2nNY1SnmwAiBO61ww9nTw>
Online database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Online+database+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=cYursVrba9nF7BBMh8EfUA>
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* Visit your group "vantage <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage> " on the web.
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Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] As moderator - Please read -
We discussed this at Perspectives last year in the YahooGroup mini-meeting. At the time those present sort of felt the same as expressed in the post below....why? I am not opposed to joining EUG and just might get up the nerve to ask my boss to pay for it...when I have a convincing "payback" proposal besides a Perspectives discount because I can already 100%+ justify Perspectives at full cost.
This listserv meets my needs for interaction with other users on a day-to-day basis. Since EUG does not operate a bulletin board system or mail list service that can rival this free (with ads) service their value proposition is diminished. Yes, they are the "official" voice of the users (meaning that Epicor listens to them before us "non-members") but right now my suspicion is that most of the Vantage sites are not members precisely because there is a viable, free, alternative. Meaning, I suppose, that officially Vantage users have no voice for things like upgrade prioritization.
I sort of gag on the thought that in order to have any voice with a vendor I must have a gun to my head to "join or else". I would much rather join because joining has some proven value. So far is Epicor listening to EUG and responding? I really want to see more committment AND more proof of this sort of partnership. Until then...I would stick with this Yahoo Group.
My couple cents,
-Todd C,
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of todd Anderson
Sent: Fri 9/16/2005 5:39 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [Vantage] As moderator - Please read -
Al / Jeff,
Let's see ... for a yearly fee we can join the "Official" EPICOR's User
Group ...
Quote: "EUG members get a discount to Perspectives that (almost) pays for
the cost of the membership"
Almost?
If we all paid to join EUG then EPICOR would be happy to use THAT list to
work with all of us?
As opposed to the current situation where we have a ton of EPICOR employees
on the list that monitor the traffic while they are TOLD that they are not
allowed to post BECAUSE this is not an "Official" list?
At one point the argument by EPICOR for not posting on this list was that
Vantage customer's pay money for maintenance so they CAN call tech support.
Participating in dialogue on this list would be contrary to that arrangement
...
So I'll post it to the entire group - would you like to dissolve this list
and pay for membership to the EUG so you can participate in an "Official"
EPICOR user's group as opposed to this sometimes irrelevant, odd, peculiar
group?
Do you like having a list that is independent of EPICOR?
Todd Anderson
Moderator # 2 of 3
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ald55432
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 2:13 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: 1,176 people on the list - ask away - it's FREE and
you don't have to buy a plane ticket !
[/Quote]> Years ago I suggested that EPICOR use the list to evaluate
suggested changes > to modules. Subject line: "EPICOR's proposed
changes to XXX module - What > do you think of these ideas?" Sure
would be nice to have 1,179 people > review this stuff BEFORE it
gets written. You would think that EPICOR would ---jump--- at the
chance of having a FREE way to tap into all of us for ideas. Some
companies actually PAY to have focus groups. How about a focus
group with 1,179 members who would LOVE the chance to be involved in
the future of this product!
This list is a possibility for 1,179 people to talk to each other
who will likely never meet in person. Personal opinion - we aren't
even using 1% of the potential for a tool like this. [/Unquote]
I'd like jump in here. My name is Al DeWitt and I am the current
Secretary of the Epicor Users Group (EUG). I, along with Jeff
Glaze, would like to invite you to consider the joining the EUG.
Why join the EUG?
- The EUG is the one user group officially recognized by Epicor.
- EUG members get a discount to Perspectives that (almost) pays
for the cost of the membership if you send one person and you
actually save money if you send two or more.
- Epicor Avanté users have developed a great network of SIGs and
are currently using that to prioritize enhancements to their
product. We would love to help get your SIGs organized and your
voice heard.
If you would like more information feel free to check our our
website: www.epicorusers.org or contact me or the EUG Vantage
Liaison, Jeff Glaze.
Thanks for reading.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
SPONSORED LINKS
Membership database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=zumlzfMugtt6gdHbPv4SEw> Database mortgage software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=gjZta7wG6hZqdrJXzK2Teg> Pda database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=3Hn54KU1wFHab_pC8mcmQw>
Database management software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=36Lz5dDq6L3dzupiJwAffg> Database marketing software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=k5h2EoDyGba8G2MtsW5WSQ> Online database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Online+database+software&w1=Membership+database+software&w2=Database+mortgage+software&w3=Pda+database+software&w4=Database+management+software&w5=Database+marketing+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=190&.sig=-puLLcDG0gUTIJTiT0fjEw>
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* Visit your group "vantage <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage> " on the web.
* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
SPONSORED LINKS
Manufacturing software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=AvWEwtBBb2CCZUYeLzjLVQ>
Membership database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=8uEu2piLZhrmuaS0aRTs5A>
Database mortgage software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=WxJOMUVfawa-Spj4srksIw>
Pda database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=8c6UocdSpoECWlSALplOdQ>
Database management software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=C2nNY1SnmwAiBO61ww9nTw>
Online database software <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Online+database+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Online+database+software&c=6&s=185&.sig=cYursVrba9nF7BBMh8EfUA>
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