Ditto....
M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...<mailto:manasa@...>
630.806.2000 x1515
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of james.moore@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
I would like to stay with Yahoo. I have been on this group for over 12 years.
The emails sent to the group are forwarded to me at my work email and I have 2 pst files with almost every email send since 2000 to the group.
Using Outlook, it is very easy to search for topics of interest.
I do understand the features might be better in other venues, but I guess I'm just old school.
Some sites like you mentioned going to are blocked by different corporations, so we would need to take that into consideration when / if switching to something else.
Just like the poll / survey link, it's blocked here.
My 2 cents,
Thanks,
Jim Moore
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Rob Bucek
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
You should probably modify your poll though jose.. even if we stay or go elsewhere..we still need better moderators.. I don't think the two choices are mutually exclusive of one another..
Rob Bucek
Production Control Manager
PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
Mobile: (715)896-4832
FAX: (715)284-4084
(Click the logo to view our site)
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
Lets take a poll and see what happens? Problem is not everyone will vote. I made it so that you can only vote once
http://goo.gl/6qAxz
*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...<mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com><mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com>
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@...<mailto:manasa@...>
630.806.2000 x1515
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of james.moore@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
I would like to stay with Yahoo. I have been on this group for over 12 years.
The emails sent to the group are forwarded to me at my work email and I have 2 pst files with almost every email send since 2000 to the group.
Using Outlook, it is very easy to search for topics of interest.
I do understand the features might be better in other venues, but I guess I'm just old school.
Some sites like you mentioned going to are blocked by different corporations, so we would need to take that into consideration when / if switching to something else.
Just like the poll / survey link, it's blocked here.
My 2 cents,
Thanks,
Jim Moore
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Rob Bucek
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
You should probably modify your poll though jose.. even if we stay or go elsewhere..we still need better moderators.. I don't think the two choices are mutually exclusive of one another..
Rob Bucek
Production Control Manager
PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
Mobile: (715)896-4832
FAX: (715)284-4084
(Click the logo to view our site)
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jose Gomez
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
Lets take a poll and see what happens? Problem is not everyone will vote. I made it so that you can only vote once
http://goo.gl/6qAxz
*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...<mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com><mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com>
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
<http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Manasa Reddy <manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com><mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>> wrote:
> **
>
>
> As to everyone's responses about wanting to leave yahoo for whatever
> reasons....
>
> In my opinion based on the statistics sent earlier, I sure as hell do
> not want to make a decision for 2600+ customers. I know I am probably
> not part of the 54 people that make up 75% of the responses and I
> definitely do not want those 54 people making the decision for me.
>
> Granted if we were to vote, I know I would vote, but I would want to
> make sure that a good percentage of those 2600+ customer actually voted as well.
> Not just the 54 people.
>
> So whatever we do please make sure a good number of people vote and if
> we don't get the people to respond then we don't make the change. I
> just don't think it would be right.
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
> manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com><mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
> 630.806.2000 x1515
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Jose Gomez
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:57 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Moderator : Please add this user
>
> General Reddy, Years ago, you served my father in the Vantage Wars.
> Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Yahoo Group
> Owners. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to
> you in person, but my list has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my
> mission to bring you to the group owner has failed. I have placed
> information vital to the survival of the Yahoo List into the memory
> systems of this R2 unit. The list Owner will know how to retrieve it.
> You must see this droid safely delivered to him in Yahoo Groups. This
> is our most desperate hour. Help me, M.
> Manasa Reddy. You're my only hope.
>
> LoL sorry I had to!
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@...<mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com><mailto:jose%40josecgomez.com>
> http://www.josecgomez.com
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez>
> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez
> >
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez>
> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/professional-resume/>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
> <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM, cubcrafters_it <
> jason.navarrete@...<mailto:jason.navarrete%40cubcrafters.com><mailto:jason.navarrete%40cubcrafters.com>> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > I agree with regards to the user and the content, however the
> > listserv/mailing-list aspect is where I see some room for discussion.
> >
> > I don't get individual emails from the group, just the digests.
> > Nothing wrong with getting the individual emails, and I'm sure it
> > works well for some folks, but I find it overwhelming when there's
> > topics that I'm not particularly interested in. I've got enough
> > email to sift through daily. I completely understand why some may
> > prefer to just interact through email a la mailing list, but it's not for me.
> >
> > An option might be to have a community that is forum-based as
> > opposed to mailing-list-based for prefer that prefer that style of communication.
> > Different strokes...
> >
> > What's difficult is that the two major communities (that I'm aware
> > of) have some barriers to be able to join, whether it's unresponsive
> > moderators or a financial cost. Google can't index the data from
> > either place because it's behind the login, so that limits exposure
> > even further. Then there's the Epicor Customer Forums (which should
> > be
> shuttered, IMHO).
> >
> > Coming back to the main problem at hand: we need more moderators
> > that are also active in this community. Help us, M. Manasa Reddy,
> > you appear to be our only hope.
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Ned" <nedderweb@...<mailto:nedderweb@...>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well it's an interesting discussion to say the least, I find that
> > > it
> > falls into a similar realm of the chicken and the egg.
> > >
> > > Which came first? The Chicken or the Egg? The Users or the Content?
> > > Are
> > the users why we have all the good content, or is the good content
> > the reason we have all the users?
> > >
> > > I actually thinks its a unique melding of the two from a weird
> > > online
> > puddle of ooze.
> > >
> > > While anyone can certainly leave if they dislike the group, that's
> > entirely up to them. I don't think there is any major value in any
> > one member of this group, the group as a whole is what gives value
> > to this group, and from my POV, this group owns the content.
> > >
> > > If the group as a whole wanted to move to a new location, it would
> > > be
> > beneficial to ourselves to do whatever we can to migrate as much
> > useful content as we can to a new location. Whether automated in
> > some way or manually with a team of people, it would still be beneficial.
> > >
> > > There will always be one group or location that is the most
> > > popular,
> > smaller splinter locations exist either because people don't know
> > about the most popular one, or they don't like the most popular one,
> > or it's part of a site that people are already logged into regularly
> > and it's just easier than thinking about going somewhere else.
> > >
> > > Regardless of whatever might be decided on by the group, or a
> > > large
> > majority of the group, one thing is very very clear, the ability to
> > receive an email about a topic that is created, or for every post
> > that is created is the most important feature that can exist in a
> > new location. Sure, RSS is nice, so it just visiting a site on a
> > regular basis, but I think the reason that this group is so
> > successful is the ease of use through email to be able to read and
> > respond to people's
> inquiries.
> > >
> > > Creating the location and generating the format is easy enough to
> > > do,
> > for example, a PHPbb can be setup in a base system in about 30
> > minutes, then another hour or 2 for some basic customization and
> > then there is a whole new world for everyone there. The features of
> > that closely mimic here in terms of OOB features available, and
> > throwing on some PHPbb MODs you can fully replicate the features
> > here, plus with the side benefit of being able to put images
> > directly into a post, as well as attach files to posts, and if
> > hosted on a domain, you can always add a file share or Wiki to the
> > site as well and you have blown away what this place is capable of,
> > also with the benefit of not needing to be tied to Yahoo and
> > whatever it decides to do with groups
> over time.
> > >
> > > No one is ever happy with change though, so no matter what any
> > > kind of
> > majority might decide to do, there will always be those who raise a
> > voice of dissent and will be angry about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "cubcrafters_it"
> > > <jason.navarrete@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There really isn't anything stopping anybody from leaving, but
> > > > it's
> > the whole community thing...
> > > >
> > > > As much as I'd be helpful to the masses to scrape the content
> > > > from
> > this group, out of respect an alternative forum would probably need
> > to stand on its own with regards to content.
> > > >
> > > > There are some other pockets of community-support out there,
> > > > it's just
> > unfortunate that they seem to be so far disconnected.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to discuss options with folks, but offline is probably
> > > > a more
> > respectful place for that.
> > > >
> > > > In (un)related news, here's some curious stats that I just (very
> > unscientifically) compiled:
> > > >
> > > > - This group has 2,620 members, which is calculated from 3,386
> > > > total
> > members minus 766 members classified as bouncing. Surprisingly,
> > there are 9 bouncing users that joined just this year. Everyone else
> > is from
> > 2011 back through 1999
> > > > - In the past 30 days, there have been 892 posts. I didn't
> > > > actually do
> > a thread count
> > > > - In those threads, there were ~168 unique members posting
> > > > content
> > > > - And 54 of those members were responsible for 75% of the posts
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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