Payroll

Well the convincer in us purchasing this software is really whether we
decide to use Open4 payroll or continue with vantage so I would be
please with input from your CFO.

Thanks

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


Toby:

In all honesty I have no idea what we bought. I know we
have the HR, Training and the report writer. We will buy
the Payroll module in about a month or so.

Our issue was that we could not do anything in the Vantage
system as payroll was running. We have been on a hiring
frenzy for the last two years. Literally hiring about 20-30
people a week at one time. So when we were looking at HR
packages we were just thrilled that Open4 was an HR PACKAGE.
We come from a spreadsheet world from hell....everything was
on a spreadsheet and not in Vantage.

We really needed a good HR and Training package, which Open4
has. The payroll side is really just a plus.

Our CFO absolute hates Vantage and how the Accounting side
works. Granted he inherited someone else's garbage and has
had to live with it. When I heard we bought Open4 and not
the payroll I had them demo it with the understanding that
payroll better do what my CFO wanted or we were not going to
bother.

Now I come from the IT side and we all know what a pain in
the behind it is to support different packages that may or
may not integrate with each other. So I insisted that we
look at the payroll module. And for the most part he liked
what he saw because it had features that Vantage didn't.
Now don't ask me what they were, but even if it didn't do
everything, it can at least do 80-90% of what he wants. I'm
not exactly sure what he was looking for, but if you want I
can have him talk to you. Just let me know.


HTH,



M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


Manasa, you have the software and say you do have it
integrated. What
modules are you using (training, payroll, etc...?) and
what was your
purpose for purchasing the software?

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


Toby:

Thanks for your detailed response and I can see why you
are
skeptical.
If we had the same need, we would probably be looking into
other companies as well.

Good luck with your search.


M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:37 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


I'll break it down. Our HR department is revamping the
way
we track PTO
and UPTO for employees on hourly and salary, training,
reviews, etc...
In our scenario an employee work 51 hours a week and say
he/she has to
be to work by 6:00AM and can't leave until 5:30PM. If
that
employee
shows up half an hour late (6:30AM) the system would
then
automatically
mark that employee tardy, send an email to the
supervisor,
show an alert
for the supervisor in the software that this issue needs
to be
addressed, and take 1 hour of PTO from the employee (a
way
of
"punishing" for being late), now the supervisor sees his
alert via email
or the software and addresses the employee on why they
were tardy. If
the employee has for example a ligitimate reason like a
doctors excuse,
the supervisor can go back into the system and mark it
as
excused for
whatever reason and take away the tardy and if need be
reset the PTO or
only take 1/2hour of PTO instead of the punished hour.
This system then
always tracks PTO, Holiday Pay, etc with a sense of
automation. With
Open4 and Vantage you cannot tell Open4 from vantage
that
an employee is
late and/or autoset that when they are late to mark it
tardy until
further notice. We have demoed Open4 3 times now because
of our
consideration, but we want to make sure it can do more
that what we
already do today with Vantage reporting. They make many
claims how they
have an update or are working with a client to do this
and
that but
currently it can't. Also if we pay the 18% maintenace
fee
and pay for
them to help 'personalize' the system for our needs,
what
then happens
in the future when they role these updates out? Will we
be
charge
additional again to make the 'personalization' witht the
updated system?
Payroll was off the base subject for us since we use
Vantage Payroll
already, but Open4 can't do near as much if you don't
use
their payroll
system. The downside of that for us is we want to quit
sending pay stubs
via mail to those who use direct deposit (this cost us
about $600/month
just on stamps and envelopes) so we can use the eSS to
show them online
all their info. But if you don't use Open4 payroll you
can't do this,
hence taking more away from the application for us. We
have been
seriously considering another company called Qqest
(www.qqest.com) who I
personally already would like to go with. Their cost is
pure (about 1/2
of open4), staff is knowledgable, solution already does
what Open4
claims they can do, and it allows the employee to
request
PTO whereas
Open4 claims they have this in an upcoming update (which
may be true but
I'll take what IS than what is promised) This is just
SOME
of why this
is such a difficult decision for us. The integration
into
vantage is no
different than how other software would work with
vantage.
Open4 uses a
seperate progress database and they make an ODBC
connection between
their database and the Vantage Progress Database.
Everyday
you still
have to manually go into Open4 and click a button to
'GET'
the time
punch data from Vantage to Open4. Payroll is similiar.
Don't get me
wrong I am not saying don't use Open4, it is a great
software with great
potential and we may still purchase it. What I am saying
is weigh your
options, see what it is you NEED to accomplish, WANT to
accomplish, and
if this software will accomplish it.

I hope that may clear alot up for most of you.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


I'm glad you asked John, because we bought it and it
does
integrate, so I am wondering what I may be missing, if I
am
missing anything at all?

Thanks,

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Sage
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Payroll


Toby,

In what way have you found the integration lacking?
What
version of
Vantage are you running? I'm highly curious about
your
reply because
I've just cut a PO for Open4.

thanks,
john



Toby Boogerd wrote:
> We have already looked at open4, but are still
looking
for another
> solution provider. Open4 isn't as integrated as they
say
they are and
> many other companies are able to do the same.





















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We are looking for a system that allows our employees to view their
processed checks from payroll on our intranet, internet, or some kind of
software so we no longer have to send them stubs since we do automatic
deposit. Is anyone out there doing something like this with vantages
payroll and a 3rd party solution?





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Open4 is Vantage's 3rd party software package and I know
that either they have that already or are in development for
it.

www.open4.com


M. Manasa Reddy
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Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Payroll


We are looking for a system that allows our employees to
view their
processed checks from payroll on our intranet, internet,
or some kind of
software so we no longer have to send them stubs since we
do automatic
deposit. Is anyone out there doing something like this
with vantages
payroll and a 3rd party solution?





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We have already looked at open4, but are still looking for another
solution provider. Open4 isn't as integrated as they say they are and
many other companies are able to do the same.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


Open4 is Vantage's 3rd party software package and I know
that either they have that already or are in development for
it.

www.open4.com


M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Payroll


We are looking for a system that allows our employees to
view their
processed checks from payroll on our intranet, internet,
or some kind of
software so we no longer have to send them stubs since we
do automatic
deposit. Is anyone out there doing something like this
with vantages
payroll and a 3rd party solution?





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Toby,

In what way have you found the integration lacking? What version of
Vantage are you running? I'm highly curious about your reply because
I've just cut a PO for Open4.

thanks,
john



Toby Boogerd wrote:
> We have already looked at open4, but are still looking for another
> solution provider. Open4 isn't as integrated as they say they are and
> many other companies are able to do the same.
I'm glad you asked John, because we bought it and it does
integrate, so I am wondering what I may be missing, if I am
missing anything at all?

Thanks,

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Sage
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Payroll


Toby,

In what way have you found the integration lacking? What
version of
Vantage are you running? I'm highly curious about your
reply because
I've just cut a PO for Open4.

thanks,
john



Toby Boogerd wrote:
> We have already looked at open4, but are still looking
for another
> solution provider. Open4 isn't as integrated as they say
they are and
> many other companies are able to do the same.





















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Manasa,

I did a hands-on demo and also saw the integration I needed (EmpBasic,
LaborHed, etc), although I did not look for GL transactions. Perhaps
that is the issue.

thanks,
john



Manasa Reddy wrote:
> I'm glad you asked John, because we bought it and it does
> integrate, so I am wondering what I may be missing, if I am
> missing anything at all?
>
> Thanks,
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
Well, we did not get the payroll module, yet, but that is
supposed to be there as well.

I was just talking to someone about how the G/L translates
because we have account numbers
with 00 as a division number in Vantage. Open 4 does not
like 00 as a number, but we found out
that we could use placement holders like 'zz' or '99' and
there is a conversion program that would
translate accordingly.

So unless you have that kind of senario, G/L should not be
an issue either.

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Sage
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:09 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Payroll


Manasa,

I did a hands-on demo and also saw the integration I
needed (EmpBasic,
LaborHed, etc), although I did not look for GL
transactions. Perhaps
that is the issue.

thanks,
john



Manasa Reddy wrote:
> I'm glad you asked John, because we bought it and it
does
> integrate, so I am wondering what I may be missing, if I
am
> missing anything at all?
>
> Thanks,
>
> M. Manasa Reddy

















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Todd:

We were the first company to use Vantage 6.1 and Open4. We actually paid for all the integration work. When I say "integrated" it is not what I would call "seamless". The process to get data from Vantage to Open4 is manually initiated. To push the GL info back to Vantage is also manually initiated. But the good news is that is has been solid for us.

One more comment. You will enjoy working with the folks at BMH. They are very responsive and easy to work with. They are one of the few, if not only, software companies that has called me on several occasions just to see how things were working and if we had any issues.

My 2 cents....

Dale Norris
IS Manager
Bullen Ultrasonics

>>> tboogerd@... 1/4/2006 9:32 AM >>>

We have already looked at open4, but are still looking for another
solution provider. Open4 isn't as integrated as they say they are and
many other companies are able to do the same.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


Open4 is Vantage's 3rd party software package and I know
that either they have that already or are in development for
it.

www.open4.com


M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Payroll


We are looking for a system that allows our employees to
view their
processed checks from payroll on our intranet, internet,
or some kind of
software so we no longer have to send them stubs since we
do automatic
deposit. Is anyone out there doing something like this
with vantages
payroll and a 3rd party solution?





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Ditto:

They have been a great group to work with!

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dale Norris
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


Todd:

We were the first company to use Vantage 6.1 and Open4. We
actually paid for all the integration work. When I say
"integrated" it is not what I would call "seamless". The
process to get data from Vantage to Open4 is manually
initiated. To push the GL info back to Vantage is also
manually initiated. But the good news is that is has been
solid for us.

One more comment. You will enjoy working with the folks at
BMH. They are very responsive and easy to work with. They
are one of the few, if not only, software companies that has
called me on several occasions just to see how things were
working and if we had any issues.

My 2 cents....

Dale Norris
IS Manager
Bullen Ultrasonics

>>> tboogerd@... 1/4/2006 9:32 AM >>>

We have already looked at open4, but are still looking for
another
solution provider. Open4 isn't as integrated as they say
they are and
many other companies are able to do the same.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:08 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


Open4 is Vantage's 3rd party software package and I know
that either they have that already or are in development
for
it.

www.open4.com


M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Payroll


We are looking for a system that allows our employees to
view their
processed checks from payroll on our intranet, internet,
or some kind of
software so we no longer have to send them stubs since
we
do automatic
deposit. Is anyone out there doing something like this
with vantages
payroll and a 3rd party solution?





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I'll break it down. Our HR department is revamping the way we track PTO
and UPTO for employees on hourly and salary, training, reviews, etc...
In our scenario an employee work 51 hours a week and say he/she has to
be to work by 6:00AM and can't leave until 5:30PM. If that employee
shows up half an hour late (6:30AM) the system would then automatically
mark that employee tardy, send an email to the supervisor, show an alert
for the supervisor in the software that this issue needs to be
addressed, and take 1 hour of PTO from the employee (a way of
"punishing" for being late), now the supervisor sees his alert via email
or the software and addresses the employee on why they were tardy. If
the employee has for example a ligitimate reason like a doctors excuse,
the supervisor can go back into the system and mark it as excused for
whatever reason and take away the tardy and if need be reset the PTO or
only take 1/2hour of PTO instead of the punished hour. This system then
always tracks PTO, Holiday Pay, etc with a sense of automation. With
Open4 and Vantage you cannot tell Open4 from vantage that an employee is
late and/or autoset that when they are late to mark it tardy until
further notice. We have demoed Open4 3 times now because of our
consideration, but we want to make sure it can do more that what we
already do today with Vantage reporting. They make many claims how they
have an update or are working with a client to do this and that but
currently it can't. Also if we pay the 18% maintenace fee and pay for
them to help 'personalize' the system for our needs, what then happens
in the future when they role these updates out? Will we be charge
additional again to make the 'personalization' witht the updated system?
Payroll was off the base subject for us since we use Vantage Payroll
already, but Open4 can't do near as much if you don't use their payroll
system. The downside of that for us is we want to quit sending pay stubs
via mail to those who use direct deposit (this cost us about $600/month
just on stamps and envelopes) so we can use the eSS to show them online
all their info. But if you don't use Open4 payroll you can't do this,
hence taking more away from the application for us. We have been
seriously considering another company called Qqest (www.qqest.com) who I
personally already would like to go with. Their cost is pure (about 1/2
of open4), staff is knowledgable, solution already does what Open4
claims they can do, and it allows the employee to request PTO whereas
Open4 claims they have this in an upcoming update (which may be true but
I'll take what IS than what is promised) This is just SOME of why this
is such a difficult decision for us. The integration into vantage is no
different than how other software would work with vantage. Open4 uses a
seperate progress database and they make an ODBC connection between
their database and the Vantage Progress Database. Everyday you still
have to manually go into Open4 and click a button to 'GET' the time
punch data from Vantage to Open4. Payroll is similiar. Don't get me
wrong I am not saying don't use Open4, it is a great software with great
potential and we may still purchase it. What I am saying is weigh your
options, see what it is you NEED to accomplish, WANT to accomplish, and
if this software will accomplish it.

I hope that may clear alot up for most of you.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


I'm glad you asked John, because we bought it and it does
integrate, so I am wondering what I may be missing, if I am
missing anything at all?

Thanks,

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Sage
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Payroll


Toby,

In what way have you found the integration lacking? What
version of
Vantage are you running? I'm highly curious about your
reply because
I've just cut a PO for Open4.

thanks,
john



Toby Boogerd wrote:
> We have already looked at open4, but are still looking
for another
> solution provider. Open4 isn't as integrated as they say
they are and
> many other companies are able to do the same.





















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Toby:

Thanks for your detailed response and I can see why you are
skeptical.
If we had the same need, we would probably be looking into
other companies as well.

Good luck with your search.


M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:37 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


I'll break it down. Our HR department is revamping the way
we track PTO
and UPTO for employees on hourly and salary, training,
reviews, etc...
In our scenario an employee work 51 hours a week and say
he/she has to
be to work by 6:00AM and can't leave until 5:30PM. If that
employee
shows up half an hour late (6:30AM) the system would then
automatically
mark that employee tardy, send an email to the supervisor,
show an alert
for the supervisor in the software that this issue needs
to be
addressed, and take 1 hour of PTO from the employee (a way
of
"punishing" for being late), now the supervisor sees his
alert via email
or the software and addresses the employee on why they
were tardy. If
the employee has for example a ligitimate reason like a
doctors excuse,
the supervisor can go back into the system and mark it as
excused for
whatever reason and take away the tardy and if need be
reset the PTO or
only take 1/2hour of PTO instead of the punished hour.
This system then
always tracks PTO, Holiday Pay, etc with a sense of
automation. With
Open4 and Vantage you cannot tell Open4 from vantage that
an employee is
late and/or autoset that when they are late to mark it
tardy until
further notice. We have demoed Open4 3 times now because
of our
consideration, but we want to make sure it can do more
that what we
already do today with Vantage reporting. They make many
claims how they
have an update or are working with a client to do this and
that but
currently it can't. Also if we pay the 18% maintenace fee
and pay for
them to help 'personalize' the system for our needs, what
then happens
in the future when they role these updates out? Will we be
charge
additional again to make the 'personalization' witht the
updated system?
Payroll was off the base subject for us since we use
Vantage Payroll
already, but Open4 can't do near as much if you don't use
their payroll
system. The downside of that for us is we want to quit
sending pay stubs
via mail to those who use direct deposit (this cost us
about $600/month
just on stamps and envelopes) so we can use the eSS to
show them online
all their info. But if you don't use Open4 payroll you
can't do this,
hence taking more away from the application for us. We
have been
seriously considering another company called Qqest
(www.qqest.com) who I
personally already would like to go with. Their cost is
pure (about 1/2
of open4), staff is knowledgable, solution already does
what Open4
claims they can do, and it allows the employee to request
PTO whereas
Open4 claims they have this in an upcoming update (which
may be true but
I'll take what IS than what is promised) This is just SOME
of why this
is such a difficult decision for us. The integration into
vantage is no
different than how other software would work with vantage.
Open4 uses a
seperate progress database and they make an ODBC
connection between
their database and the Vantage Progress Database. Everyday
you still
have to manually go into Open4 and click a button to 'GET'
the time
punch data from Vantage to Open4. Payroll is similiar.
Don't get me
wrong I am not saying don't use Open4, it is a great
software with great
potential and we may still purchase it. What I am saying
is weigh your
options, see what it is you NEED to accomplish, WANT to
accomplish, and
if this software will accomplish it.

I hope that may clear alot up for most of you.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


I'm glad you asked John, because we bought it and it does
integrate, so I am wondering what I may be missing, if I
am
missing anything at all?

Thanks,

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Sage
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Payroll


Toby,

In what way have you found the integration lacking?
What
version of
Vantage are you running? I'm highly curious about your
reply because
I've just cut a PO for Open4.

thanks,
john



Toby Boogerd wrote:
> We have already looked at open4, but are still looking
for another
> solution provider. Open4 isn't as integrated as they
say
they are and
> many other companies are able to do the same.





















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Manasa, you have the software and say you do have it integrated. What
modules are you using (training, payroll, etc...?) and what was your
purpose for purchasing the software?

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


Toby:

Thanks for your detailed response and I can see why you are
skeptical.
If we had the same need, we would probably be looking into
other companies as well.

Good luck with your search.


M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:37 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


I'll break it down. Our HR department is revamping the way
we track PTO
and UPTO for employees on hourly and salary, training,
reviews, etc...
In our scenario an employee work 51 hours a week and say
he/she has to
be to work by 6:00AM and can't leave until 5:30PM. If that
employee
shows up half an hour late (6:30AM) the system would then
automatically
mark that employee tardy, send an email to the supervisor,
show an alert
for the supervisor in the software that this issue needs
to be
addressed, and take 1 hour of PTO from the employee (a way
of
"punishing" for being late), now the supervisor sees his
alert via email
or the software and addresses the employee on why they
were tardy. If
the employee has for example a ligitimate reason like a
doctors excuse,
the supervisor can go back into the system and mark it as
excused for
whatever reason and take away the tardy and if need be
reset the PTO or
only take 1/2hour of PTO instead of the punished hour.
This system then
always tracks PTO, Holiday Pay, etc with a sense of
automation. With
Open4 and Vantage you cannot tell Open4 from vantage that
an employee is
late and/or autoset that when they are late to mark it
tardy until
further notice. We have demoed Open4 3 times now because
of our
consideration, but we want to make sure it can do more
that what we
already do today with Vantage reporting. They make many
claims how they
have an update or are working with a client to do this and
that but
currently it can't. Also if we pay the 18% maintenace fee
and pay for
them to help 'personalize' the system for our needs, what
then happens
in the future when they role these updates out? Will we be
charge
additional again to make the 'personalization' witht the
updated system?
Payroll was off the base subject for us since we use
Vantage Payroll
already, but Open4 can't do near as much if you don't use
their payroll
system. The downside of that for us is we want to quit
sending pay stubs
via mail to those who use direct deposit (this cost us
about $600/month
just on stamps and envelopes) so we can use the eSS to
show them online
all their info. But if you don't use Open4 payroll you
can't do this,
hence taking more away from the application for us. We
have been
seriously considering another company called Qqest
(www.qqest.com) who I
personally already would like to go with. Their cost is
pure (about 1/2
of open4), staff is knowledgable, solution already does
what Open4
claims they can do, and it allows the employee to request
PTO whereas
Open4 claims they have this in an upcoming update (which
may be true but
I'll take what IS than what is promised) This is just SOME
of why this
is such a difficult decision for us. The integration into
vantage is no
different than how other software would work with vantage.
Open4 uses a
seperate progress database and they make an ODBC
connection between
their database and the Vantage Progress Database. Everyday
you still
have to manually go into Open4 and click a button to 'GET'
the time
punch data from Vantage to Open4. Payroll is similiar.
Don't get me
wrong I am not saying don't use Open4, it is a great
software with great
potential and we may still purchase it. What I am saying
is weigh your
options, see what it is you NEED to accomplish, WANT to
accomplish, and
if this software will accomplish it.

I hope that may clear alot up for most of you.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


I'm glad you asked John, because we bought it and it does
integrate, so I am wondering what I may be missing, if I
am
missing anything at all?

Thanks,

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Sage
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Payroll


Toby,

In what way have you found the integration lacking?
What
version of
Vantage are you running? I'm highly curious about your
reply because
I've just cut a PO for Open4.

thanks,
john



Toby Boogerd wrote:
> We have already looked at open4, but are still looking
for another
> solution provider. Open4 isn't as integrated as they
say
they are and
> many other companies are able to do the same.





















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Toby,

That sounds more like a feature gap than a database integration issue.
Vantage Payroll won't do what you need either. For us, the decision is
based primarily upon growing HRIS needs, which Open4 can easily fulfill,
as well as a looming union 401(a) requirement, which very few payroll
packages can deal with.

have fun,
john


Toby Boogerd wrote:
> I'll break it down.
Toby:

In all honesty I have no idea what we bought. I know we
have the HR, Training and the report writer. We will buy
the Payroll module in about a month or so.

Our issue was that we could not do anything in the Vantage
system as payroll was running. We have been on a hiring
frenzy for the last two years. Literally hiring about 20-30
people a week at one time. So when we were looking at HR
packages we were just thrilled that Open4 was an HR PACKAGE.
We come from a spreadsheet world from hell....everything was
on a spreadsheet and not in Vantage.

We really needed a good HR and Training package, which Open4
has. The payroll side is really just a plus.

Our CFO absolute hates Vantage and how the Accounting side
works. Granted he inherited someone else's garbage and has
had to live with it. When I heard we bought Open4 and not
the payroll I had them demo it with the understanding that
payroll better do what my CFO wanted or we were not going to
bother.

Now I come from the IT side and we all know what a pain in
the behind it is to support different packages that may or
may not integrate with each other. So I insisted that we
look at the payroll module. And for the most part he liked
what he saw because it had features that Vantage didn't.
Now don't ask me what they were, but even if it didn't do
everything, it can at least do 80-90% of what he wants. I'm
not exactly sure what he was looking for, but if you want I
can have him talk to you. Just let me know.


HTH,



M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


Manasa, you have the software and say you do have it
integrated. What
modules are you using (training, payroll, etc...?) and
what was your
purpose for purchasing the software?

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


Toby:

Thanks for your detailed response and I can see why you
are
skeptical.
If we had the same need, we would probably be looking into
other companies as well.

Good luck with your search.


M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Toby Boogerd
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:37 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


I'll break it down. Our HR department is revamping the
way
we track PTO
and UPTO for employees on hourly and salary, training,
reviews, etc...
In our scenario an employee work 51 hours a week and say
he/she has to
be to work by 6:00AM and can't leave until 5:30PM. If
that
employee
shows up half an hour late (6:30AM) the system would
then
automatically
mark that employee tardy, send an email to the
supervisor,
show an alert
for the supervisor in the software that this issue needs
to be
addressed, and take 1 hour of PTO from the employee (a
way
of
"punishing" for being late), now the supervisor sees his
alert via email
or the software and addresses the employee on why they
were tardy. If
the employee has for example a ligitimate reason like a
doctors excuse,
the supervisor can go back into the system and mark it
as
excused for
whatever reason and take away the tardy and if need be
reset the PTO or
only take 1/2hour of PTO instead of the punished hour.
This system then
always tracks PTO, Holiday Pay, etc with a sense of
automation. With
Open4 and Vantage you cannot tell Open4 from vantage
that
an employee is
late and/or autoset that when they are late to mark it
tardy until
further notice. We have demoed Open4 3 times now because
of our
consideration, but we want to make sure it can do more
that what we
already do today with Vantage reporting. They make many
claims how they
have an update or are working with a client to do this
and
that but
currently it can't. Also if we pay the 18% maintenace
fee
and pay for
them to help 'personalize' the system for our needs,
what
then happens
in the future when they role these updates out? Will we
be
charge
additional again to make the 'personalization' witht the
updated system?
Payroll was off the base subject for us since we use
Vantage Payroll
already, but Open4 can't do near as much if you don't
use
their payroll
system. The downside of that for us is we want to quit
sending pay stubs
via mail to those who use direct deposit (this cost us
about $600/month
just on stamps and envelopes) so we can use the eSS to
show them online
all their info. But if you don't use Open4 payroll you
can't do this,
hence taking more away from the application for us. We
have been
seriously considering another company called Qqest
(www.qqest.com) who I
personally already would like to go with. Their cost is
pure (about 1/2
of open4), staff is knowledgable, solution already does
what Open4
claims they can do, and it allows the employee to
request
PTO whereas
Open4 claims they have this in an upcoming update (which
may be true but
I'll take what IS than what is promised) This is just
SOME
of why this
is such a difficult decision for us. The integration
into
vantage is no
different than how other software would work with
vantage.
Open4 uses a
seperate progress database and they make an ODBC
connection between
their database and the Vantage Progress Database.
Everyday
you still
have to manually go into Open4 and click a button to
'GET'
the time
punch data from Vantage to Open4. Payroll is similiar.
Don't get me
wrong I am not saying don't use Open4, it is a great
software with great
potential and we may still purchase it. What I am saying
is weigh your
options, see what it is you NEED to accomplish, WANT to
accomplish, and
if this software will accomplish it.

I hope that may clear alot up for most of you.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Payroll


I'm glad you asked John, because we bought it and it
does
integrate, so I am wondering what I may be missing, if I
am
missing anything at all?

Thanks,

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Sage
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Payroll


Toby,

In what way have you found the integration lacking?
What
version of
Vantage are you running? I'm highly curious about
your
reply because
I've just cut a PO for Open4.

thanks,
john



Toby Boogerd wrote:
> We have already looked at open4, but are still
looking
for another
> solution provider. Open4 isn't as integrated as they
say
they are and
> many other companies are able to do the same.





















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