We have this need to do “inspection” on a job when a Job is X % completed. After a job for say 1000 pieces are completed, we may have first article… great…
But we also have an interval inspection requirement. ALA, inspect again when the job is 75% of the way there.
Epicor doesn’t seem to have a facility to do this, I am wondering of anyone has come up with clever ideas around this? Maybe leveraging First Article (again) somehow?
If this is predictable maybe use lot sizing to size your jobs accordingly and have first article on each?
Not familiar with this, ELI5? Does setting Lot Sizing limit the job to 1 lot?
When I say lot sizing I just mean the min/max/multiple lot sizes you can set on a part.
If you need to inspect a part after every x is produced, have epicor write jobs in that quantity and do first article on each job.
Not really puking on you, sounds like that’ll work, but I don’t like it.
I don’t like it either but I can’t really think of anything closer to reality. Maybe something weird with gauges if you have the maintenance module.
The advanced QA module doesn’t seem to include anything useful for this purpose.
I’m not familiar with first article, explain please.
Maybe it’s got a trigger that can be reset?
You tell Epicor you need First Article Inspection and it forces an Inspection when the “first” item is produced for a given job.
If you are completing the quantity and you want to inspect after x number are complete and received, you can use skip lots.
if this is for a % of the job, like after op 60 do an inspection then skip lot wont work.
How does Skip Lots works not familiar with that
i think i have a power point explaining it. let me try to find it.
Looking a the Epicor help this seems to be specific for Incoming (Purchaed parts) can it work with jobs?
yeah looks like it linked to suppliers, so only works with POs.
but the way it works, it will skip requiring inspection until the conditions of the skip lot code are met. so you can have intervals for inspection. and it can change the code after x number of fails. so if they fail once, set it to inspect everything until x number of passes, then code can change to an interval again.
Got it thank you Craig, neat… too bad it doesn’t work with Jobs!
I was looking at this for the exact same reason. Was asking around at Insights about timed/qty based prompts for inspections too. Didn’t get much in the way of answers except you could use CPC or Dynamic Documents.
Configurator - we went through this exercise before and couldn’t find the trigger for it either - since it only prompts when a qty is reported in MES End Activity. And it’s kind of a PITA to get data back out of.
CPC - used in a very unique way, every time you click ‘Make Part’ it’s effectively a QA process instead of the build process, and you don’t collect time for the job, it’s just for the QA data.
Dynamic Documents - this will do it too - but I need to find the ‘trigger’ to make it happen on demand or something. I’ve got it set up and was waiting on @klincecum to have time to take it apart with me (I can’t see the process in the trace, so it must be server-side and that’s where my skills stop). When It’s set up it prompts at the start and stop production activity events in MES. But we want to do more with it, like you.
@josecgomez , you would need to have Epicor’s Advanced Quality and set up inspection plans and specifications for all your parts. You can select a sample size % when you add the inspection plan to the part. It would probably be pretty easy for your minions to create a BPM that takes the job quantity and figure out how many pieces need to be inspected and then divide the job quantity to flag the operator every X pieces.
We do have Inspection plans and specifications and some Inspection Configurator mess that looks awful is that what you are talking about?.. at least the menus are there and they open. But I’m not sure how to tell it to make me inspect it every X
Do you put your inspection plans on the Part?
That is where you determine the Sample Size. If you say you want 2% inspected, no matter the size of the job, you could easily do the math to figure out when to alert the operator.
So does it force an inspection every 2% Does it create a record in Inspection Processing for someonne to go do?
Or does it assume operator is going ot enter the test criteria in the Line directly when they report qty?
It does not force anything. If you put an inspection plan on a part, it autogenerates the quantity that needs to be inspected based off of the entry in my screenshot. It generates the inspection plan and puts it on the last operation (99% sure) at the quantity needed. Been a while since I really played around with it, but I believe it does put something in Inspection Processing. The inspection could be done by anyone, operator and/or QA. It is not the smoothest thing, but I believe you could get what you want at least at a base level.
