Split Burden

Thanks for the reply.
The change was prompted by the need for accurate cost centers. We are
trying to calculate an accurate burden for each machine. To pass these
accurate costs to a job we needed to use split burden rather then burden
=labor.

Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


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First I assume that in your shop Labor is your primary driver? We
encountered
an issue where trying to use Labor=Burden did not work at all. There was a
major inconsistency with how Vantage calculated the standard costs for a
part
vs. how the job costs were calculated. Was this what prompted your change?
I
was ready to make a big deal out of it 18 months ago but apparently there
are
not many Vantage users with assembly shops that have more bodies than
machines
(wait until they expand into China!).

Anyway, I can think of two possible work arounds for you.

1) Make burden zero and only use labor. This way, the system will
calculate
the correct costs for you.

2) Have a general (area) burden instead of a calculated 'person' burden. It
will never be 100% accurate but everything will wash out at the end of the
month.

And I'm only on my first cup of coffee!

Mike Lowe
Connor Manufacturing Services

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Subject: [Vantage] Split Burden
Author: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/21/03 7:28 AM

Hello all. We could use some help with this one.
On 01/01/03 we made the move to machine hours from labor hours in all of our
methods. We also changed our costing to be Split burden rather that
Labor=Burden so that the cost centers would be correct. We are now faced
with a problem. If two employees are clocked into the same job and several
other jobs at the same time it doesn't split the burden between the
jobs/employees correctly. It will split the burden between the employees
but doesn't consider if there is more then one job being ran on that work
center. Unfortunately for us, it is more common then not that more then one
job is being processed in a work center at the same time.

For example.

Work center XYZ

Employee 1 and Employee 2 both clock into two jobs at the same time on the
same work center and they work on these two jobs for one hour we get the
following results:

Labor
Employee 1 Labor for Job A is 30min
Employee 1 Labor for Job B is 30min
Employee 2 Labor for Job A is 30min
Employee 2 Labor for Job B is 30min
Total Labor hours is 2. This is correct.

Burden
Employee 1 Burden for Job A is 30min
Employee 1 Burden for Job B is 30min
Employee 2 Burden for Job A is 30min
Employee 2 Burden for Job B is 30min
Total Burden is 2 machine hours.
Total Burden should be 1 machine hour. The Burden should be distributed
among all jobs and employees using that work center. In reality, the
machine only ran one hour.

Are we doing something wrong our is there a workaround?
Thanks for the help.

Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation
317-398-6684
Vantage 5.1





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Hello all. We could use some help with this one.
On 01/01/03 we made the move to machine hours from labor hours in all of our
methods. We also changed our costing to be Split burden rather that
Labor=Burden so that the cost centers would be correct. We are now faced
with a problem. If two employees are clocked into the same job and several
other jobs at the same time it doesn't split the burden between the
jobs/employees correctly. It will split the burden between the employees
but doesn't consider if there is more then one job being ran on that work
center. Unfortunately for us, it is more common then not that more then one
job is being processed in a work center at the same time.

For example.

Work center XYZ

Employee 1 and Employee 2 both clock into two jobs at the same time on the
same work center and they work on these two jobs for one hour we get the
following results:

Labor
Employee 1 Labor for Job A is 30min
Employee 1 Labor for Job B is 30min
Employee 2 Labor for Job A is 30min
Employee 2 Labor for Job B is 30min
Total Labor hours is 2. This is correct.

Burden
Employee 1 Burden for Job A is 30min
Employee 1 Burden for Job B is 30min
Employee 2 Burden for Job A is 30min
Employee 2 Burden for Job B is 30min
Total Burden is 2 machine hours.
Total Burden should be 1 machine hour. The Burden should be distributed
among all jobs and employees using that work center. In reality, the
machine only ran one hour.

Are we doing something wrong our is there a workaround?
Thanks for the help.

Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation
317-398-6684
Vantage 5.1
Good luck on this one. We have the same problem and when asked Vantage had
no answer. If fact, I really don't think that they thought running more
than one job on a work center at the same time was even possible.

I am just monitoring the job costing for these situations. Jobs that I know
we are making money on show as losers when I run the production detail
report. I am trying to figure out how I can correct this. I don't want to
have to go back and manually adjust burden.

Let me know if you come up with anything,.

Mike Hogberg
Production Manager
Westwood Precision, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:28 AM
To: 'Vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Split Burden


Hello all. We could use some help with this one.
On 01/01/03 we made the move to machine hours from labor hours in all of
our
methods. We also changed our costing to be Split burden rather that
Labor=Burden so that the cost centers would be correct. We are now faced
with a problem. If two employees are clocked into the same job and
several
other jobs at the same time it doesn't split the burden between the
jobs/employees correctly. It will split the burden between the employees
but doesn't consider if there is more then one job being ran on that work
center. Unfortunately for us, it is more common then not that more then
one
job is being processed in a work center at the same time.

For example.

Work center XYZ

Employee 1 and Employee 2 both clock into two jobs at the same time on the
same work center and they work on these two jobs for one hour we get the
following results:

Labor
Employee 1 Labor for Job A is 30min
Employee 1 Labor for Job B is 30min
Employee 2 Labor for Job A is 30min
Employee 2 Labor for Job B is 30min
Total Labor hours is 2. This is correct.

Burden
Employee 1 Burden for Job A is 30min
Employee 1 Burden for Job B is 30min
Employee 2 Burden for Job A is 30min
Employee 2 Burden for Job B is 30min
Total Burden is 2 machine hours.
Total Burden should be 1 machine hour. The Burden should be distributed
among all jobs and employees using that work center. In reality, the
machine only ran one hour.

Are we doing something wrong our is there a workaround?
Thanks for the help.

Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation
317-398-6684
Vantage 5.1





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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
First I assume that in your shop Labor is your primary driver? We encountered
an issue where trying to use Labor=Burden did not work at all. There was a
major inconsistency with how Vantage calculated the standard costs for a part
vs. how the job costs were calculated. Was this what prompted your change? I
was ready to make a big deal out of it 18 months ago but apparently there are
not many Vantage users with assembly shops that have more bodies than machines
(wait until they expand into China!).

Anyway, I can think of two possible work arounds for you.

1) Make burden zero and only use labor. This way, the system will calculate
the correct costs for you.

2) Have a general (area) burden instead of a calculated 'person' burden. It
will never be 100% accurate but everything will wash out at the end of the
month.

And I'm only on my first cup of coffee!

Mike Lowe
Connor Manufacturing Services

____________________Reply Separator____________________
Subject: [Vantage] Split Burden
Author: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1/21/03 7:28 AM

Hello all. We could use some help with this one.
On 01/01/03 we made the move to machine hours from labor hours in all of our
methods. We also changed our costing to be Split burden rather that
Labor=Burden so that the cost centers would be correct. We are now faced
with a problem. If two employees are clocked into the same job and several
other jobs at the same time it doesn't split the burden between the
jobs/employees correctly. It will split the burden between the employees
but doesn't consider if there is more then one job being ran on that work
center. Unfortunately for us, it is more common then not that more then one
job is being processed in a work center at the same time.

For example.

Work center XYZ

Employee 1 and Employee 2 both clock into two jobs at the same time on the
same work center and they work on these two jobs for one hour we get the
following results:

Labor
Employee 1 Labor for Job A is 30min
Employee 1 Labor for Job B is 30min
Employee 2 Labor for Job A is 30min
Employee 2 Labor for Job B is 30min
Total Labor hours is 2. This is correct.

Burden
Employee 1 Burden for Job A is 30min
Employee 1 Burden for Job B is 30min
Employee 2 Burden for Job A is 30min
Employee 2 Burden for Job B is 30min
Total Burden is 2 machine hours.
Total Burden should be 1 machine hour. The Burden should be distributed
among all jobs and employees using that work center. In reality, the
machine only ran one hour.

Are we doing something wrong our is there a workaround?
Thanks for the help.

Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation
317-398-6684
Vantage 5.1





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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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