Jose,
Thanks for your response. Did you have a chance to look at the BPM if not and
you can provide some direction I will definitely appreciate that.
Regards
________________________________
From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 4:05:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: V8.03.xxx - Clock out employees
Paul,
It did not require additional licence since it uses the Epicor / Vantage Web
Services / BO's
We wrote it in house ourselves and did not have to pay anything extra to
epicor or anyone.
Put simply its a web page where the users go Login Using their Epicor
Credentials
They get a button for either Clock In or Clock out (depending on current
status) and they also get a list of amount of hours worked to date and if
they are on over time it alerts them.
(it is also integrated with other web apps we use to facilitate payroll and
leave tracking where our users can request leave (Vacation, Sick Leave
etc..) and it automatically submits them based on their available time
(within vantage) their supervisors get notified and they log in to approve /
deny then this information is transfered into the payroll so that it adjusts
it automatically. (All within the Epicor Payroll module)
However this second part is not necessary for the time clock to work.
I do not have a BPM that will clock everyone out however it shouldn't be
terribly hard to write and if I have time over the weekend I will do one for
you.
In regards to the time-clock and or leave request stuff I am not authorized
to share it through here since it did take us several months of development
(in house) however If you are interested in talking some more about it and
seeing if we can make it available to you contact me off the list and we can
talk.
To summarize it does not cost any extra money with regards to Epicor and it
does not consume any additional licences for more than 1 or 2 seconds at a
time. So when the user Logs in for a few mili seconds there is a licence
consumed but it is immediately released and then the next time they do it it
happens again.
*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
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*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
Thanks for your response. Did you have a chance to look at the BPM if not and
you can provide some direction I will definitely appreciate that.
Regards
________________________________
From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 4:05:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: V8.03.xxx - Clock out employees
Paul,
It did not require additional licence since it uses the Epicor / Vantage Web
Services / BO's
We wrote it in house ourselves and did not have to pay anything extra to
epicor or anyone.
Put simply its a web page where the users go Login Using their Epicor
Credentials
They get a button for either Clock In or Clock out (depending on current
status) and they also get a list of amount of hours worked to date and if
they are on over time it alerts them.
(it is also integrated with other web apps we use to facilitate payroll and
leave tracking where our users can request leave (Vacation, Sick Leave
etc..) and it automatically submits them based on their available time
(within vantage) their supervisors get notified and they log in to approve /
deny then this information is transfered into the payroll so that it adjusts
it automatically. (All within the Epicor Payroll module)
However this second part is not necessary for the time clock to work.
I do not have a BPM that will clock everyone out however it shouldn't be
terribly hard to write and if I have time over the weekend I will do one for
you.
In regards to the time-clock and or leave request stuff I am not authorized
to share it through here since it did take us several months of development
(in house) however If you are interested in talking some more about it and
seeing if we can make it available to you contact me off the list and we can
talk.
To summarize it does not cost any extra money with regards to Epicor and it
does not consume any additional licences for more than 1 or 2 seconds at a
time. So when the user Logs in for a few mili seconds there is a licence
consumed but it is immediately released and then the next time they do it it
happens again.
*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez>
<http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
<http://www.josecgomez.com> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
*Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Paul L Bennett <paullbennett@...>wrote:
>
>
> Jose,
>
> I like your companies approach with regards to web base time clock. How
> difficult a process was this? Did it require license similar to the MES
> License? Can you share some more thought on this approach since i would be
> interested? Also, do you have a BPM that clocks everyone out that you wish
> to
> she with us all?
>
> regards
>
> Paul
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jose Gomez <jose@... <jose%40josecgomez.com>>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 11:23:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: V8.03.xxx - Clock out employees
>
>
> For what is worth we wrote a web based app that lets you clock in and out
> of
> Vantage so it takes care of the EMS licencing problem. Basically users
> Login
> to timeclock.company.com from ANY computer , log in using the Vantage
> credentials and then click Clock In / Clock out they also get a listing of
> the hours they have etc.
>
> In terms of clocking everyone out you can do a BPM for that.
>
> *Jose C Gomez*
> *Software Engineer*
> *
> *T: 904.469.1524 mobile
> E: jose@... <jose%40josecgomez.com>
> http://www.josecgomez.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/josecgomez> <http://www.facebook.com/josegomez
> >
> <http://www.google.com/profiles/jose.gomez> <http://www.twitter.com/joc85>
> <http://www.josecgomez.com> <http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
>
> *Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?*
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Rob Bucek
><rbucek@...<rbucek%40dsmfg.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ill throw my hat in with brian and vic,
> >
> > We gave ownership to the employees to comply with proper labor and time
> > keeping. That means if they don't do it correctly they don't get paid
> > on time, it effects their work center efficiencies which in turn affects
> > their review scores which then in turn hits them in the pocket book, and
> > in the worst case scenario if someone is playing 'clock out' games,
> > termination. We don't have anyone at our facility full or part time
> > dedicated to fixing labor errors. Yes, we do have some, but they are
> > truly exceptions that are dealt with by the supervisor of that direct
> > report. This gives them the visibility of the issue, and the
> > opportunity to perform any necessary 'coaching'.
> >
> > Rob Bucek
> >
> > Production Control Manager
> >
> > PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> >
> > Mobile: (715)896-0590
> >
> > FAX: (715)284-4084
> >
> > <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> > (Click the logo to view our site) <http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> > vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
>
> > Of Vic Drecchio
> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:48 AM
> >
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8.03.xxx - Clock out employees
> >
> > Ditto, Brian.
> >
> > It's a mess at our company, too. Only due to lazy, irresponsible
> > management and scapegoating "the ERP system". I've heard every excuse
> > in the book.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>> ] On
>
> > Behalf
> > Of Brian W. Spolarich
> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:36 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: V8.03.xxx - Clock out employees
> >
> > I never quite understand the willingness to accept bad behavior here.
> >
> > Are you using the MES system as your timeclock of record? Would you
> > accept it if an employee misrepresented their time on their time card?
> > That's a firing offense in any company I've worked for.
> >
> > If you're using a separate timekeeping system *and* using MES I'd
> > wonder what the value-add is there. We're in the midst of replacing our
> > manual timekeeping system with MES, and are intending to expect folks to
> > treat the MES activity just like they would reporting their time on
> > their time cards.
> >
> > This means clocking out at the end of the day. I'd say the first time
> > you fail to do it you get a verbal warning, and escalate from there. If
> > there's teeth in the policy folks will comply, particularly if it means
> > that they might not get paid on time, etc.
> >
> > This sounds more like a policy problem than a technical one, IMHO.
> >
> > -bws
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com><vantage%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com><vantage%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>> ] On
> > Behalf
> > Of randyduly
> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:31 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com><vantage%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: V8.03.xxx - Clock out employees
> >
> > I was wandering if there was any other way without having to buy more
> > MES licenses. We have two plants in two different locations and of
> > course nobody does everything the same way. At our location we have one
> > person who take care of mispunches and people who did not clock out,
> > etc.
> >
> > At our other plant they have 3 people (1 full-time and 2 temps) who does
> > the job of our one person. Why I don't know.
> >
> > As far I am concern they can get off their lazy buttom and walk out to a
> > MES machine.
> >
> > Thanks everybody for the replies, much appreciated.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
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> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com><vantage%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>> ,
>
> > "Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe I am missing something, but why can't she have the MES icon on
> > her
> > > desktop and just clock everyone out with their ID's?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Then go into labor entry and adjust the time on their records?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Manasa Reddy
> > >
> > > manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
> > >
> > > 800.852.2325
> > >
> > > 630.806.2000 ofc
> > >
> > > 630.806.2001 fax
> > >
> > > www.weldcoa.com
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
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> 2540yahoogroups.com>> ] On
>
> > Behalf
> > > Of randyduly
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:13 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
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> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] V8.03.xxx - Clock out employees
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Let say Vantage went down just before the end of a shift for some
> > reason
> > > (power outage, database crash or whatever reason) and all the
> > employees
> > > left for the day. The next day our Payroll Clerk has to go in and
> > clock
> > > them all out. In Vantage 6 she could do this from a full Vantage
> > client
> > > at the data collection screen.
> > >
> > > In Vantage 8, you can't do this. Under Data Collection, all you got is
> > > "Clock In" and "Office MES" and they are tied to your Vantage sign on.
> > >
> > > So what is my Payroll Clerk Options. I don't want to give her access
> > to
> > > the Data Admin Tools -> Conversion Program > Run Conversion Program
> > 8920
> > > and 8930.
> > >
> > > Of course, she could go out in the factory and clock everybody out
> > from
> > > a Data Collection terminal.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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