Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what posts in GL

Well our AR clearing has been fine for a long time.. maybe pennies off from time to time.. but not often. AP is usually fine too... probably three times since 2001 has that been off.. When I run capture you can see the stuff that is outside of the date range and I take care of those before I post capture. I WIP/INV reconciliation on past periods just to make sure something doesn't mysteriously pop up. We are off between all inventory accounts about 1 to 2 thousand dollars a month... not much but enough to make you wonder why.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of bakerprovan
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:47 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL


The main point of my response is that a dead simple fix resolved our
problem - re-open all the closed periods and rerun capture. Might
be worth a try.

It is now going on 2 months since I went through this and it got
fiendishly complex. I don't trust myself to retell the story
accurately. In broad terms we had dollars getting hung up in WIP,
AP & AR clearing. The amounts in the balance sheet didn't match the
reports. For example, the amount in AR clearing did not match the
goods shipped, not invoiced report. The problem was caused by
transaction dates referencing closed periods and capture being
unable to complete the transactions (and not giving any warning).

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Geary, Stephanie" <sgeary@k...>
wrote:
> What were some of the issues that specifically happened for you
that caused the variances? After you went through the days of going
blind.. I have done that and not found anything.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of bakerprovan
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:05 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Variances between Detail sub ledger reports
and
> what posts in GL
>
>
> In our case we had "timing issues" with backdated transactions,
mainly
> shipping & receiving. Reopening all closed periods and re-running
> capture corrected most of these problems.
>
> We have also had problems not properly closing out AP goods
invoiced,
> not received. A fairly basic problem but still not easy to detect
in a
> mountain of transactions.
>
> As far as tracking the problems down this was my procedure:
> . Copy the data to a test database,
> . Simplify the picture by posting all the shipments and receipts
and
> generally closing out unfinished processes
> . Run capture then use the Inventory/WIP reconciliation report for
the
> suspect account and manually match the debits and credits
> . Track down everything else that doesn't match.
>
> There went several days that could have been spent doing my real
job.
>
> I'd be pleased to hear about a better method.
>
> If I had understood the database better I possibly could have got
the
> data into Excel to speed up the matching process.
>
> Good Luck
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Geary, Stephanie" <sgeary@k...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have asked this before but does any one have issues with the
> variances in the gl postings and the amounts in the detail??? We
have
> a few thousand at month end and we really need a way to track down
> where/why these are occurring.
> > I would appreciate any ideas anyone uses in tracking down
> differences!
> > Thanks
> > Stephanie Geary
>






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I have asked this before but does any one have issues with the variances in the gl postings and the amounts in the detail??? We have a few thousand at month end and we really need a way to track down where/why these are occurring.
I would appreciate any ideas anyone uses in tracking down differences!
Thanks
Stephanie Geary
Stephanie,

Which accounts are problems? Inventory, WIP, AP, AR, AAP? All of the
above?

James Martin

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Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL




I have asked this before but does any one have issues with the variances
in the gl postings and the amounts in the detail??? We have a few
thousand at month end and we really need a way to track down where/why
these are occurring.
I would appreciate any ideas anyone uses in tracking down differences!
Thanks
Stephanie Geary



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Inv, WIP & occasionally Open DMR account.

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Of James Martin Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL



Stephanie,

Which accounts are problems? Inventory, WIP, AP, AR, AAP? All of the
above?

James Martin

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Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL




I have asked this before but does any one have issues with the variances
in the gl postings and the amounts in the detail??? We have a few
thousand at month end and we really need a way to track down where/why
these are occurring.
I would appreciate any ideas anyone uses in tracking down differences!
Thanks
Stephanie Geary



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Stephanie,

The easiest things to check are any entries in the G/L that are not
system generated. In other words, "Periodic Posting Process" should be
the description of your G/L post. If there's anything else, like a
vendor name or whatever, you'll have a variance. For us I usually see
this when we buy something from a vendor who is normally a material
supplier that is not material- ie: shop floor supplies, bubble wrap, or
any expense item.

You might check the WIP / Recon report for your inventory and WIP
accounts and look for unusual transactions, like PUR-UNK, or ADJ
transactions. For us, these inventory variances involve some charge
getting on the G/L that doesn't have a part number master.

The DMR account is one I'm fighting with right now. So far I have
"busted" our A/P person for just checking "Closed" on a DMR if it was no
longer valid- the DMR must be correctly processed regardless. Just
checking closed will cause the DMR to fall off the Open DMR report but
has no effect on the G/L. I'd be glad to hear about how the variances
occur for you guys, as this instance hasn't cleared up totally for us
yet and I haven't quite figured out other causes yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL


Inv, WIP & occasionally Open DMR account.

-----Original Message-----
What is your costing method? Last, standard, average?


Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
513-831-3211 ext 400
513-831-1209 fax
www.ColdJet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of James Martin Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what posts in GL


Stephanie,

The easiest things to check are any entries in the G/L that are not
system generated. In other words, "Periodic Posting Process" should be
the description of your G/L post. If there's anything else, like a
vendor name or whatever, you'll have a variance. For us I usually see
this when we buy something from a vendor who is normally a material
supplier that is not material- ie: shop floor supplies, bubble wrap, or
any expense item.

You might check the WIP / Recon report for your inventory and WIP
accounts and look for unusual transactions, like PUR-UNK, or ADJ
transactions. For us, these inventory variances involve some charge
getting on the G/L that doesn't have a part number master.

The DMR account is one I'm fighting with right now. So far I have
"busted" our A/P person for just checking "Closed" on a DMR if it was no
longer valid- the DMR must be correctly processed regardless. Just
checking closed will cause the DMR to fall off the Open DMR report but
has no effect on the G/L. I'd be glad to hear about how the variances
occur for you guys, as this instance hasn't cleared up totally for us
yet and I haven't quite figured out other causes yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL


Inv, WIP & occasionally Open DMR account.

-----Original Message-----


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average

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Michelle de la Vega
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL



What is your costing method? Last, standard, average?


Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
513-831-3211 ext 400
513-831-1209 fax
www.ColdJet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of James Martin Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what posts in GL


Stephanie,

The easiest things to check are any entries in the G/L that are not
system generated. In other words, "Periodic Posting Process" should be
the description of your G/L post. If there's anything else, like a
vendor name or whatever, you'll have a variance. For us I usually see
this when we buy something from a vendor who is normally a material
supplier that is not material- ie: shop floor supplies, bubble wrap, or
any expense item.

You might check the WIP / Recon report for your inventory and WIP
accounts and look for unusual transactions, like PUR-UNK, or ADJ
transactions. For us, these inventory variances involve some charge
getting on the G/L that doesn't have a part number master.

The DMR account is one I'm fighting with right now. So far I have
"busted" our A/P person for just checking "Closed" on a DMR if it was no
longer valid- the DMR must be correctly processed regardless. Just
checking closed will cause the DMR to fall off the Open DMR report but
has no effect on the G/L. I'd be glad to hear about how the variances
occur for you guys, as this instance hasn't cleared up totally for us
yet and I haven't quite figured out other causes yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL


Inv, WIP & occasionally Open DMR account.

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Yes, I have found different issues from one month to the next but there are always some that I just can't find an answer for... our WIP for sub contract will be off because of debit memos posted directly to the wip account, the same for material for the WIP account... but those that you just can't find you just can't find. The DMR report our problem I think is when the DMR has a value and is scrapped then the a/p adjusts the receipt line to $0 since there will be no invoice for the item... So it goes into DMR pending with a value and comes out with a value but the adjustment goes there as well... I think... I am not too sure on that one... we have never had the DMR / debit memo procedure work out... the cost are never adjusted to the work order correctly....
We have had people from Epicor and others that are experts in Vantage come and try to find these differences and no one can tell where they are coming from... they just say timing issues... but I just don't see how that could be.

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Of James Martin Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL



Stephanie,

The easiest things to check are any entries in the G/L that are not
system generated. In other words, "Periodic Posting Process" should be
the description of your G/L post. If there's anything else, like a
vendor name or whatever, you'll have a variance. For us I usually see
this when we buy something from a vendor who is normally a material
supplier that is not material- ie: shop floor supplies, bubble wrap, or
any expense item.

You might check the WIP / Recon report for your inventory and WIP
accounts and look for unusual transactions, like PUR-UNK, or ADJ
transactions. For us, these inventory variances involve some charge
getting on the G/L that doesn't have a part number master.

The DMR account is one I'm fighting with right now. So far I have
"busted" our A/P person for just checking "Closed" on a DMR if it was no
longer valid- the DMR must be correctly processed regardless. Just
checking closed will cause the DMR to fall off the Open DMR report but
has no effect on the G/L. I'd be glad to hear about how the variances
occur for you guys, as this instance hasn't cleared up totally for us
yet and I haven't quite figured out other causes yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL


Inv, WIP & occasionally Open DMR account.

-----Original Message-----


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Very difficult to reconcile since it's a moving target. One of the reasons we went to standard costing.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what posts in GL


average

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Michelle de la Vega
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL



What is your costing method? Last, standard, average?


Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
513-831-3211 ext 400
513-831-1209 fax
www.ColdJet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of James Martin Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what posts in GL


Stephanie,

The easiest things to check are any entries in the G/L that are not
system generated. In other words, "Periodic Posting Process" should be
the description of your G/L post. If there's anything else, like a
vendor name or whatever, you'll have a variance. For us I usually see
this when we buy something from a vendor who is normally a material
supplier that is not material- ie: shop floor supplies, bubble wrap, or
any expense item.

You might check the WIP / Recon report for your inventory and WIP
accounts and look for unusual transactions, like PUR-UNK, or ADJ
transactions. For us, these inventory variances involve some charge
getting on the G/L that doesn't have a part number master.

The DMR account is one I'm fighting with right now. So far I have
"busted" our A/P person for just checking "Closed" on a DMR if it was no
longer valid- the DMR must be correctly processed regardless. Just
checking closed will cause the DMR to fall off the Open DMR report but
has no effect on the G/L. I'd be glad to hear about how the variances
occur for you guys, as this instance hasn't cleared up totally for us
yet and I haven't quite figured out other causes yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL


Inv, WIP & occasionally Open DMR account.

-----Original Message-----


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We are too much of a job shop type of company to go to standards.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Mike Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL



Very difficult to reconcile since it's a moving target. One of the reasons we went to standard costing.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what posts in GL


average

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Michelle de la Vega
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL



What is your costing method? Last, standard, average?


Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
513-831-3211 ext 400
513-831-1209 fax
www.ColdJet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of James Martin Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what posts in GL


Stephanie,

The easiest things to check are any entries in the G/L that are not
system generated. In other words, "Periodic Posting Process" should be
the description of your G/L post. If there's anything else, like a
vendor name or whatever, you'll have a variance. For us I usually see
this when we buy something from a vendor who is normally a material
supplier that is not material- ie: shop floor supplies, bubble wrap, or
any expense item.

You might check the WIP / Recon report for your inventory and WIP
accounts and look for unusual transactions, like PUR-UNK, or ADJ
transactions. For us, these inventory variances involve some charge
getting on the G/L that doesn't have a part number master.

The DMR account is one I'm fighting with right now. So far I have
"busted" our A/P person for just checking "Closed" on a DMR if it was no
longer valid- the DMR must be correctly processed regardless. Just
checking closed will cause the DMR to fall off the Open DMR report but
has no effect on the G/L. I'd be glad to hear about how the variances
occur for you guys, as this instance hasn't cleared up totally for us
yet and I haven't quite figured out other causes yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL


Inv, WIP & occasionally Open DMR account.

-----Original Message-----


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(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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I agree with you 1000%

We also moved from average to standard, just a recently as last year.

Frank Zeigafuse
Innovative Office Products
General Manager
Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
Email: fzeigafuse@...



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Lowe [mailto:MLowe@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL



Very difficult to reconcile since it's a moving target. One of the reasons
we went to standard costing.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL


average

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Michelle de la Vega
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL



What is your costing method? Last, standard, average?


Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
513-831-3211 ext 400
513-831-1209 fax
www.ColdJet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
James Martin Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL


Stephanie,

The easiest things to check are any entries in the G/L that are not system
generated. In other words, "Periodic Posting Process" should be the
description of your G/L post. If there's anything else, like a vendor name
or whatever, you'll have a variance. For us I usually see this when we buy
something from a vendor who is normally a material supplier that is not
material- ie: shop floor supplies, bubble wrap, or any expense item.

You might check the WIP / Recon report for your inventory and WIP accounts
and look for unusual transactions, like PUR-UNK, or ADJ transactions. For
us, these inventory variances involve some charge getting on the G/L that
doesn't have a part number master.

The DMR account is one I'm fighting with right now. So far I have "busted"
our A/P person for just checking "Closed" on a DMR if it was no longer
valid- the DMR must be correctly processed regardless. Just checking closed
will cause the DMR to fall off the Open DMR report but has no effect on the
G/L. I'd be glad to hear about how the variances occur for you guys, as this
instance hasn't cleared up totally for us yet and I haven't quite figured
out other causes yet.

-----Original Message-----
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Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL


Inv, WIP & occasionally Open DMR account.

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That's what I used to think.

The rational of companies is I want an erp system to really tell me what my
cost is down to the skus, only to find that we manufacture stuff and really,
really stink at documenting our "accounting " what we make. Man I am on
fire today. I used to be as stubborn as they come, no way were we going
onto standard. We have to many skus or I do not want to lose my detailed
costing. But then one day it hit me. We could not do the transactions right
anyway therefore our costs were all over the place, we couldn't use the
detailed costing data anyway because it was wrong. By the multilevel boms
are really fun, because a lower leveled assembly would corrupt everywhere
where it was used. We have been on standard cost system for a year now. It
is great, it is way better to firmer costs and dissect your variances than
it is to have your cost be combined with variances. In addition physical
inventories where a nightmare, I had to go through each sku and re-roll up
the costs, now the inventory is at standard and we just post the tickets and
run the report!! Saved me 2 weeks!

In summary, I know EVERY business is different, but make sure you REALLY go
through the 5 "Why's" with a small team and I mean really go through them,
and then and only then will you have your answer.

Frank Zeigafuse
Innovative Office Products
General Manager
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Email: fzeigafuse@...



-----Original Message-----
From: Geary, Stephanie [mailto:sgeary@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:36 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL



We are too much of a job shop type of company to go to standards.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL



Very difficult to reconcile since it's a moving target. One of the reasons
we went to standard costing.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL


average

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Michelle de la Vega
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL



What is your costing method? Last, standard, average?


Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
513-831-3211 ext 400
513-831-1209 fax
www.ColdJet.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
James Martin Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL


Stephanie,

The easiest things to check are any entries in the G/L that are not system
generated. In other words, "Periodic Posting Process" should be the
description of your G/L post. If there's anything else, like a vendor name
or whatever, you'll have a variance. For us I usually see this when we buy
something from a vendor who is normally a material supplier that is not
material- ie: shop floor supplies, bubble wrap, or any expense item.

You might check the WIP / Recon report for your inventory and WIP accounts
and look for unusual transactions, like PUR-UNK, or ADJ transactions. For
us, these inventory variances involve some charge getting on the G/L that
doesn't have a part number master.

The DMR account is one I'm fighting with right now. So far I have "busted"
our A/P person for just checking "Closed" on a DMR if it was no longer
valid- the DMR must be correctly processed regardless. Just checking closed
will cause the DMR to fall off the Open DMR report but has no effect on the
G/L. I'd be glad to hear about how the variances occur for you guys, as this
instance hasn't cleared up totally for us yet and I haven't quite figured
out other causes yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and what
posts in GL


Inv, WIP & occasionally Open DMR account.

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In our case we had "timing issues" with backdated transactions, mainly
shipping & receiving. Reopening all closed periods and re-running
capture corrected most of these problems.

We have also had problems not properly closing out AP goods invoiced,
not received. A fairly basic problem but still not easy to detect in a
mountain of transactions.

As far as tracking the problems down this was my procedure:
. Copy the data to a test database,
. Simplify the picture by posting all the shipments and receipts and
generally closing out unfinished processes
. Run capture then use the Inventory/WIP reconciliation report for the
suspect account and manually match the debits and credits
. Track down everything else that doesn't match.

There went several days that could have been spent doing my real job.

I'd be pleased to hear about a better method.

If I had understood the database better I possibly could have got the
data into Excel to speed up the matching process.

Good Luck

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Geary, Stephanie" <sgeary@k...> wrote:
>
>
> I have asked this before but does any one have issues with the
variances in the gl postings and the amounts in the detail??? We have
a few thousand at month end and we really need a way to track down
where/why these are occurring.
> I would appreciate any ideas anyone uses in tracking down
differences!
> Thanks
> Stephanie Geary
What were some of the issues that specifically happened for you that caused the variances? After you went through the days of going blind.. I have done that and not found anything.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of bakerprovan
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Variances between Detail sub ledger reports and
what posts in GL


In our case we had "timing issues" with backdated transactions, mainly
shipping & receiving. Reopening all closed periods and re-running
capture corrected most of these problems.

We have also had problems not properly closing out AP goods invoiced,
not received. A fairly basic problem but still not easy to detect in a
mountain of transactions.

As far as tracking the problems down this was my procedure:
. Copy the data to a test database,
. Simplify the picture by posting all the shipments and receipts and
generally closing out unfinished processes
. Run capture then use the Inventory/WIP reconciliation report for the
suspect account and manually match the debits and credits
. Track down everything else that doesn't match.

There went several days that could have been spent doing my real job.

I'd be pleased to hear about a better method.

If I had understood the database better I possibly could have got the
data into Excel to speed up the matching process.

Good Luck

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Geary, Stephanie" <sgeary@k...> wrote:
>
>
> I have asked this before but does any one have issues with the
variances in the gl postings and the amounts in the detail??? We have
a few thousand at month end and we really need a way to track down
where/why these are occurring.
> I would appreciate any ideas anyone uses in tracking down
differences!
> Thanks
> Stephanie Geary





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The main point of my response is that a dead simple fix resolved our
problem - re-open all the closed periods and rerun capture. Might
be worth a try.

It is now going on 2 months since I went through this and it got
fiendishly complex. I don't trust myself to retell the story
accurately. In broad terms we had dollars getting hung up in WIP,
AP & AR clearing. The amounts in the balance sheet didn't match the
reports. For example, the amount in AR clearing did not match the
goods shipped, not invoiced report. The problem was caused by
transaction dates referencing closed periods and capture being
unable to complete the transactions (and not giving any warning).

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Geary, Stephanie" <sgeary@k...>
wrote:
> What were some of the issues that specifically happened for you
that caused the variances? After you went through the days of going
blind.. I have done that and not found anything.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of bakerprovan
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:05 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Variances between Detail sub ledger reports
and
> what posts in GL
>
>
> In our case we had "timing issues" with backdated transactions,
mainly
> shipping & receiving. Reopening all closed periods and re-running
> capture corrected most of these problems.
>
> We have also had problems not properly closing out AP goods
invoiced,
> not received. A fairly basic problem but still not easy to detect
in a
> mountain of transactions.
>
> As far as tracking the problems down this was my procedure:
> . Copy the data to a test database,
> . Simplify the picture by posting all the shipments and receipts
and
> generally closing out unfinished processes
> . Run capture then use the Inventory/WIP reconciliation report for
the
> suspect account and manually match the debits and credits
> . Track down everything else that doesn't match.
>
> There went several days that could have been spent doing my real
job.
>
> I'd be pleased to hear about a better method.
>
> If I had understood the database better I possibly could have got
the
> data into Excel to speed up the matching process.
>
> Good Luck
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Geary, Stephanie" <sgeary@k...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have asked this before but does any one have issues with the
> variances in the gl postings and the amounts in the detail??? We
have
> a few thousand at month end and we really need a way to track down
> where/why these are occurring.
> > I would appreciate any ideas anyone uses in tracking down
> differences!
> > Thanks
> > Stephanie Geary
>
I've done some housekeeping in the files area. Most things should be in
the appropriate directories now.

Shirley Graver
Moderator

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Thank you, Shirley.

Regards,
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 7:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] File Housekeeping

I've done some housekeeping in the files area. Most things should be in
the appropriate directories now.

Shirley Graver
Moderator



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OK, the first thank you was sent "sight unseen". Now that I've seen what
you've done, let me say again...

THANK YOU, SHIRLEY!!!

You really whip things into shape! ;-)

Regards,
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Lepley, Scott A. [mailto:sal@...]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:15 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] File Housekeeping

Thank you, Shirley.

Regards,
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 7:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] File Housekeeping

I've done some housekeeping in the files area. Most things should be in
the appropriate directories now.

Shirley Graver
Moderator



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You're welcome Scott
Shirley


_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Lepley, Scott A.
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:30 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] File Housekeeping

OK, the first thank you was sent "sight unseen". Now that I've seen what
you've done, let me say again...

THANK YOU, SHIRLEY!!!

You really whip things into shape! ;-)

Regards,
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Lepley, Scott A. [mailto:sal@...]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:15 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] File Housekeeping

Thank you, Shirley.

Regards,
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 7:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] File Housekeeping

I've done some housekeeping in the files area. Most things should be in
the appropriate directories now.

Shirley Graver
Moderator



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