10% price increase

Another option that hasn’t been mentioned is to go off of maintenance completely. Sure, no more updates, support or bug fixes, but how often do we hear ‘working as designed’, and are given another work-around anyways?

Epicor has been justifying this extortion with ‘AI’, but that’s only for cloud. Before, it was justified due to inflation (post-Covid years).

The private equity owners would need to see a significant amount of customer losses to change their strategy of 5-10% compounding maintenance increases since Covid.

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And now days, they don’t even fix bugs in every support version. They only fix them in the latest release and tell you sorry, upgrade to latest release.

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The manufacturing shop down the street from us is leaving Epicor for Infor. They go live in Infor sometime early next year.

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Which Infor product?

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With CPI sitting around roughly 3 percent, a 10 percent increase feels tough to justify.

A few realities as customers see it, and these aren’t just my isolated gripes. These are consistent themes we see as the community leaders:

  • Support continues to slide. Tickets ping-pong around functional areas, first-line asks questions already answered in our descriptions, and too often we find ourselves teaching the product back to the people supporting it. Ask me again for steps on how to enter a new ABC code record… I dare you… I genuinely don’t blame the reps, it feels like a process and training breakdown. Still, the customer experience is rough.
  • Stability and QA just have not been there. Upgrades used to feel like progress. We were excited to get to the next version for improved performance and features. Last several years they feel like a gamble. We’re excited in hopes we get bug fixes, not nearly as feel good as before. Recent honorable mention; breaking BAQ reports, blocking quote-to-cash, Kinetic layers going poof, UI crashing when you simply open the app… these aren’t edge cases, they’re basic fail points that shake confidence.
  • Core functionality still lags. Modules that matter most to daily operations sit untouched for years, likely in part to no one even knowing how to maintain them anymore and dependency hell. PCID took almost a decade to mature after being called “done”. Meanwhile we get new initiatives nobody asked for while foundational pieces stall out. It took me 6 years of #WipIsGarbage to finally get some semblance of proper transacting and accounting of WIP.
  • Kinetic UX still isn’t landing. Performance, usability… stability… especially between upgrades, not there yet. ERP systems are inherently deep and complex. “Looks like a consumer app” is not the same thing as “works at enterprise scale”. You chased a fantasy sold by corporate level folks at customer sites that they were actually going to use this on mobile devices (80/20 rule applies). I think that’s finally been given up on? I hope.
  • We’ve been asking for better forms reporting since day 1 switch to SSRS and now that Microsoft finally said they are done with SSRS, NOW we get what we’ve asked for because it’s no longer the easy or comfortable choice for Epicor.
  • More work has moved offshore but support quality hasn’t improved with it. In many cases response times are slower across time zones.
  • Communication and real transparency from leadership have faded. We used to get straight talk and meaningful presence from leadership. Now it feels like we have to hunt for clarity.
  • Epicor is reducing hosting and licensing costs with PostgreSQL and Linux. If those efficiencies help Epicor’s margins, great. But then why are customers paying more instead of seeing shared benefit?

And then comes the price-increase email tells us we are to fund AI, cybersecurity, and “support enhancements”. We’ve been told that same same thing for years. Replace AI in that list with whatever the #1 hot initiative was that year. If those investments are happening and working, show us the impact. Right now the day-to-day customer experience does not match that message.

So where is the other 7 percent going? Customers will support investment when it improves the product and service. But it feels like the majority of us are covering missed bets, projects asked for by whale customers, pet projects, and internal priorities while core quality, functionality, and support suffer.

If there is a compelling strategic case for this increase, fire the marketing team and tell us plainly, straight from the heart. Communicate it loudly. Clarity builds trust. Every year it feels like we are being told to accept the cost and keep quiet. But also we want to hear your ideas, but only the ideas we like, or aren’t too difficult, or only if you tell them to us nicely even though they have been bugs or design deficiencies rehashed for decades.

We miss the transparency this community used to get from leaders like Elia, Hattrup, Riley. Nathan was another deeply experienced voice in the forum we could count on for real answers. When honest voices are silenced, customers notice… Tim is the communities last “glory days” like connection with Epicor, a front door, a relatable voice, a people’s champion, a voice of reason and accountability, and I fear the day he finally hangs up his hat.

We are getting complaints the tone of the forum is changing. Well… the tone of the forum reflects directly reflects on Epicor. Jose, Bryan, I, and others have try to quell it, champion and defend Epicor the best we can, but it’s been years of defending and we’re tired. Even Wonsil and Utah are breaking, ever the optimists, that says a lot. When trust erodes at the top, it shows up everywhere. Epicor should stop burying its head in the sand and labeling folks as complainers and start addressing these issues head on.

We are not against evolution. We are not against investment. We just expect partnership, transparency, respect, communication, and accountability. If Epicor wants loyalty and advocacy from long-time and new customers, the relationship has to feel two-sided again.

Bring back transparency. Bring back candor. Bring back comradery with customers. Bring back the culture that made this ecosystem special.

Make Epicor Great Again (trademark pending :laughing:)

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The browser interface is horrible and sometimes doesn’t even work if you need to do anything complicated. Seems like they should be reducing their prices 50% instead of increasing 10% for the value they are adding.

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Well said!

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EDIT - the quote and subsequent reaction GIF was meant as a celebration of the post by @jgiese.wci, and in no way shape or form should it be construed as me endorsing any actual “Make XXXX Great Again” groups, coalitions, associations or organizations. Would hate to think a post of mine would cause an emetic reaction. :slight_smile:

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I took this out of context - @Evan_Purdy is specifically referring to the configurator.

But I wonder about this on a grand scale. I’ll say I have no shame in making apps (3rd party platforms) that use REST and thus stave off the need for buying more “Default” (full-priced) licenses.

Like my taxes rant earlier, the local government here has a law/policy where the taxable value of your home stays put forever if you file for it. So yeah, we file for it. But there is no law that says the tax rate will never increase! They’ll get their money somehow.

But yeah, it’s really just to get richer. I mean it is a for-profit company…

Also, @jgiese.wci nailed it. And that carries some serious experience behind it.

Oh crud, please no! :sob: (But it is both inevitable and depressing to contemplate.)

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We’re thinking the same about both of those as well. Thanks!

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Here was the key item of the email that made us balk:

As a leader in the make, move, and sell marketplace, Epicor remains committed to empowering our manufacturing, distribution, and retail customers to thrive in today’s competitive landscape. We’re making continued strategic investments in areas that matter most to your success, including advanced artificial intelligence capabilities that unlock deeper insights from your data, multi-layered cybersecurity safeguards against evolving threats, and enhancements to our customer support experience. To sustain this momentum and continue delivering the innovation you expect, a 10% annual increase will be applied to your software maintenance contract, effective on your contract renewal date.

As on-prem, Epicor has not let us know that there is any path to access to the AI, nor does most of their cybersecurity apply to us, as we take this liability on ourselves. I’m not sure the 10% totally applies to on-prem, but we did get the email notice, so…

10% is steep - I’d rather see all of the money go into creating a bug-free environment for the current implementation; then, move on to the grander scopes. Their lack of QA with regard to the notably buggy .dot releases (which I’ve noted many times here over the years), has cost us deeply in time and money.

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You nailed it on the head with the fact that on-prem can’t benefit from their justification for the price increase. So what are we really getting out of it? What does the future hold? Instead of Epicor buying more businesses to integrate to charge us more for “fancy” stuff we don’t want or need, can we get the order by date on PO Suggestions to be calculated correctly? Or screens to load? Or upgrades to be tested for core functionality? Or when there is a known bug released not have to wait 6 months for the next version to come out to fix it?
And if one more person says anything to me about integrating AI with our ERP system I’m going to scream.

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They aren’t giving prism away free to cloud either, so the justification is a huge fail across the board.

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Who was the user on here that said they were going to do that?

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preach

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It’s linked in @aosemwengie1 post up-thread

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The lore

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