6.1 estimating/crm

Yes, I would like to use groups in this area - Makes too much sense.
Epicor doesn't seem to understand the concept of Administration by Group
in general. Try doing any kind of Members Of report and you will
understand. Don't get me started.. Hoping V8 being based on Windows will
be more friendly. However, you start by individually adding a user to
the workforce. Then to add an authorized user to the first user you get
a pulldown menu listing users only no groups. Thus you begin at the
bottom of your pyramid and start working your way up to Regions and
Territories setting permissions along the way.

One problem we encounter in getting the Sales manager to get a proper
view of the pipeline was impossible because of the way we do business.
Sales starts the process of getting a quote and an order. It is then
tasked over to Customer Service. Often Customer Service is the one doing
the follow up on the order. Therefore it never went back to a
Salesperson for a win. The pipeline only showed the sales person, Also a
person cannot be a member of more than one task group.

You really need to have your consultant design your CRM and test it on a
test server to see if it serves the purpose you are looking for. Don't
let them leave before you copy it to your production database and see it
function.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:04 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 6.1 estimating/crm


> It was a permissions nightmare for us. You know how you have to set up
> your buyers in purchasing and give each other permissions otherwise
you
> can't open another buyers PO.

We're not that far down the road just yet. However, I was thinking about
using security groups for this. Am I wrong in assuming that I can give
permission to the "buyers" group and then make each buyer's username
authorized for that group? It's so much easier to manage groups rather
than
individual users. Yikes!

> ... Unless your company is setup
> just like their model we found their reporting to be of no use to us.

Is there a place where the model is described?

> As I said, flip the switch without a consultant and you just may get
> electrocuted.

There will be consultants and I want to make sure we use their time
wisely...

Mark W.



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Thanks to those of you who responded. Epicor did finally give us a
straight answer. That is, we don't have to install the crm along w/the
estimating module, just to enter the codes for the estimating. This is
what I suspected but didn't want to proceed w/o a solid answer. Looks
like I can bring out the sharp objects on my desk again. Again thanks to
this group for the support.
dennis
Dennis
Should you decide to install the CRM do not even attempt it without
an Epicor consultant on hand. That's something they don't tell you until
you ask for help.

Cliff

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dennis Houghton
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 9:54 AM
To: vantage
Subject: [Vantage] 6.1 estimating/crm


Thanks to those of you who responded. Epicor did finally give us a
straight answer. That is, we don't have to install the crm along w/the
estimating module, just to enter the codes for the estimating. This is
what I suspected but didn't want to proceed w/o a solid answer. Looks
like I can bring out the sharp objects on my desk again. Again thanks to

this group for the support.
dennis



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> Should you decide to install the CRM do not even attempt it without
> an Epicor consultant on hand. That's something they don't tell you until
> you ask for help.

Could you elaborate? Do you really mean the installation or do you mean the
implementation? There does seem to be a lot to tasks, task groups,
workforce, etc. and it would be nice to read an overview on how the system
is designed to work. We plan to replace GoldMine with the CRM soon.

Mark W.
I also would ask for a web demo to have them show it will work, for
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-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cliff Drumeller
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 1:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 6.1 estimating/crm


Dennis
Should you decide to install the CRM do not even attempt it without an
Epicor consultant on hand. That's something they don't tell you until you
ask for help.

Cliff

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Dennis Houghton
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 9:54 AM
To: vantage
Subject: [Vantage] 6.1 estimating/crm


Thanks to those of you who responded. Epicor did finally give us a
straight answer. That is, we don't have to install the crm along w/the
estimating module, just to enter the codes for the estimating. This is
what I suspected but didn't want to proceed w/o a solid answer. Looks
like I can bring out the sharp objects on my desk again. Again thanks to

this group for the support.
dennis



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It was a permissions nightmare for us. You know how you have to set up
your buyers in purchasing and give each other permissions otherwise you
can't open another buyers PO. Well that's just the beginning. I have
three dedicated quoters and thirteen engineers who sometimes quote. All
need cross permissions. Getting the drift. Unless your company is setup
just like their model we found their reporting to be of no use to us. I
hear that they have fixed the Sales manager screen so it doesn't take
FIVE minutes to load.

As I said, flip the switch without a consultant and you just may get
electrocuted. I did that and had to scramble just to get my quoters
back on line as they no lnoger had the permission to touch any quotes.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 6.1 estimating/crm


> Should you decide to install the CRM do not even attempt it
without
> an Epicor consultant on hand. That's something they don't tell you
until
> you ask for help.

Could you elaborate? Do you really mean the installation or do you mean
the
implementation? There does seem to be a lot to tasks, task groups,
workforce, etc. and it would be nice to read an overview on how the
system
is designed to work. We plan to replace GoldMine with the CRM soon.

Mark W.



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> It was a permissions nightmare for us. You know how you have to set up
> your buyers in purchasing and give each other permissions otherwise you
> can't open another buyers PO.

We're not that far down the road just yet. However, I was thinking about
using security groups for this. Am I wrong in assuming that I can give
permission to the "buyers" group and then make each buyer's username
authorized for that group? It's so much easier to manage groups rather than
individual users. Yikes!

> ... Unless your company is setup
> just like their model we found their reporting to be of no use to us.

Is there a place where the model is described?

> As I said, flip the switch without a consultant and you just may get
> electrocuted.

There will be consultants and I want to make sure we use their time
wisely...

Mark W.
Ah... I am not on 6.1. However, I must interject. Vantage CRM is a
"Customer" based module, not a "Contact" based module. I believe there
needs to be a clear distinction made. Third-party contacts that interact
(need to be linked) with multiple customers require multiple entries.
Changes and customization available in v8 shows great promise in this area.
Make no mistake, it is definitely a Customer Relationship Manager. And this
may not be an issue if it fits your business model.

Many Vantage users would be overjoyed if you found the methodology using the
CRM to replace Goldmine.

David


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 1:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 6.1 estimating/crm


> Should you decide to install the CRM do not even attempt it without
> an Epicor consultant on hand. That's something they don't tell you until
> you ask for help.

Could you elaborate? Do you really mean the installation or do you mean the
implementation? There does seem to be a lot to tasks, task groups,
workforce, etc. and it would be nice to read an overview on how the system
is designed to work. We plan to replace GoldMine with the CRM soon.

Mark W.
At Electroimpact, we've asked for a Buyer Authorization by group: Page ID
7753MPS
SUGGESTION: Would like to use Security Groups for maintaining authorized
users. Or, there should be a Company Configuration option whether Authorized
Users are necessary or not.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Drumeller" <cliff@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 6.1 estimating/crm


> It was a permissions nightmare for us. You know how you have to set up
> your buyers in purchasing and give each other permissions otherwise you
> can't open another buyers PO. Well that's just the beginning. I have
> three dedicated quoters and thirteen engineers who sometimes quote. All
> need cross permissions. Getting the drift. Unless your company is setup
> just like their model we found their reporting to be of no use to us. I
> hear that they have fixed the Sales manager screen so it doesn't take
> FIVE minutes to load.
>
> As I said, flip the switch without a consultant and you just may get
> electrocuted. I did that and had to scramble just to get my quoters
> back on line as they no lnoger had the permission to touch any quotes.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mark Wonsil
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:05 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] 6.1 estimating/crm
>
>
>> Should you decide to install the CRM do not even attempt it
> without
>> an Epicor consultant on hand. That's something they don't tell you
> until
>> you ask for help.
>
> Could you elaborate? Do you really mean the installation or do you mean
> the
> implementation? There does seem to be a lot to tasks, task groups,
> workforce, etc. and it would be nice to read an overview on how the
> system
> is designed to work. We plan to replace GoldMine with the CRM soon.
>
> Mark W.
>
>
>
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