You should talk to both Calvin Dekker and Mark Wonsil. Both are doing
what you mentioned, albeit a little different from each other.
Calvin has a user group website and Mark is doing a type of Wikipedia.
Both are great ideas and are worth looking at.
M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
800.852.2325
630.806.2000 ofc
630.806.2001 fax
www.weldcoa.com
________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ned
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
I think having multiple groups and lists based on version is just a bad
bad
idea.
While there are differences between 4, 5, 6, 8, 8.03, 8.03.4x and 9,
there
are an awful lot of similarities as well. While each has it's own quirks
based on SP and versions of Progress or SQL, the underlying architecture
and
many of the fixes are universal accross all versions. Progress version
may
be different, but the way a command is written in Progress for something
is
likely to be the same no matter what version of Vantage and Progress you
are
using.
The same goes for questions about reporting with Crystal, the version of
Vantage you have is irrelevant a lot of the time.
If there is a problem with people not wanting to read things about
versions
they don't have, then there are alternatives that can allow everyone to
stay
in one group and allow for the knowledge to be shared with everyone
since it
is better to end up with a larger group to solve a problem over several
smaller groups, especially since some people who have moved on to a
newer
version still have lots of knowledge about previous versions, even if
they
aren't running them anymore, and those minds would be lost if they left
the
8 group to go to the 9 group since they aren't running 8 anymore, so why
bother and subscribe?
I think everyone here would gain the most from keeping everything under
one
roof, and possibly just adjusting how we do things under that roof to
make
it more "friendly" to those who wish to be segregated.
I have some ideas that would be part of a systematic approach to how
people
initially pose a question to the group. The question is if we could get
these "rules" implimented and have everyone actually follow them. Put
them
on the front page of the group, as well as include them in whatever
"Welcome
message" people get when they join up, and possibly send out a reminder
once
a month to everyone.
One idea is that we create a more structured Subject Line or Title of
the
initial posting/email to the group. This is also partially done by some
people now, but not by everyone, which often results in the same
question
bein asked whenever someone poses a question looking for a solution. How
many times does someone ask a question, only to have that question
followed
up by "What version of Vantage?" in a follow up email by someone else?
Make sure that people use a marker in the subject so without opening it,
we
all know what it pertains to...
Something in the structure of this General Subject - Program
Section/Area -
Version of Vantage
Examples of what these would look like
Customization - Order Entry- V8.03.406
BAQ Report - WIP - E9
BAM - CRM - V6.1
Another thing that often comes up are technical questions, which always
seems to draw out the same quesitons as well. How much RAM? Raid setup?
Processors? Version? NICs? Etc
I often wonder if it would be better to create a webpage somewhere with
an
easy to use form on it for people to input their initial posting in the
first place, which could include several required fields which would be
automatically tagged to the end of the email and avoid all the standard
follow up questions that seem to come on about 75% of the initial
postings.
what you mentioned, albeit a little different from each other.
Calvin has a user group website and Mark is doing a type of Wikipedia.
Both are great ideas and are worth looking at.
M. Manasa Reddy
manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
800.852.2325
630.806.2000 ofc
630.806.2001 fax
www.weldcoa.com
________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ned
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
I think having multiple groups and lists based on version is just a bad
bad
idea.
While there are differences between 4, 5, 6, 8, 8.03, 8.03.4x and 9,
there
are an awful lot of similarities as well. While each has it's own quirks
based on SP and versions of Progress or SQL, the underlying architecture
and
many of the fixes are universal accross all versions. Progress version
may
be different, but the way a command is written in Progress for something
is
likely to be the same no matter what version of Vantage and Progress you
are
using.
The same goes for questions about reporting with Crystal, the version of
Vantage you have is irrelevant a lot of the time.
If there is a problem with people not wanting to read things about
versions
they don't have, then there are alternatives that can allow everyone to
stay
in one group and allow for the knowledge to be shared with everyone
since it
is better to end up with a larger group to solve a problem over several
smaller groups, especially since some people who have moved on to a
newer
version still have lots of knowledge about previous versions, even if
they
aren't running them anymore, and those minds would be lost if they left
the
8 group to go to the 9 group since they aren't running 8 anymore, so why
bother and subscribe?
I think everyone here would gain the most from keeping everything under
one
roof, and possibly just adjusting how we do things under that roof to
make
it more "friendly" to those who wish to be segregated.
I have some ideas that would be part of a systematic approach to how
people
initially pose a question to the group. The question is if we could get
these "rules" implimented and have everyone actually follow them. Put
them
on the front page of the group, as well as include them in whatever
"Welcome
message" people get when they join up, and possibly send out a reminder
once
a month to everyone.
One idea is that we create a more structured Subject Line or Title of
the
initial posting/email to the group. This is also partially done by some
people now, but not by everyone, which often results in the same
question
bein asked whenever someone poses a question looking for a solution. How
many times does someone ask a question, only to have that question
followed
up by "What version of Vantage?" in a follow up email by someone else?
Make sure that people use a marker in the subject so without opening it,
we
all know what it pertains to...
Something in the structure of this General Subject - Program
Section/Area -
Version of Vantage
Examples of what these would look like
Customization - Order Entry- V8.03.406
BAQ Report - WIP - E9
BAM - CRM - V6.1
Another thing that often comes up are technical questions, which always
seems to draw out the same quesitons as well. How much RAM? Raid setup?
Processors? Version? NICs? Etc
I often wonder if it would be better to create a webpage somewhere with
an
easy to use form on it for people to input their initial posting in the
first place, which could include several required fields which would be
automatically tagged to the end of the email and avoid all the standard
follow up questions that seem to come on about 75% of the initial
postings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Rose" <t.rose@...
<mailto:t.rose%40electricmirror.com> >
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
> While I have some sympathy for the fragmentation issue, I'm not as
opposed
> as others. We are on 8.03, but are thinking about a move to 9.X
sometime.
> It is helpful to see the 9 discussions, so we can get a feel for what
is
> in store. I have subscribed to the 9 group and the generic group. In
> Outlook, all the emails from either group go to one folder by rule, so
> both forums are intermixed. The one nice thing about separate forums
is
> no one has to get more information than they need. For me, I will
never
> notice the fragmentation.
>
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of robertb_versa@... <mailto:robertb_versa%40yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:14 PM
> To: manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> ;
vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
>
>
> Couldn't have said it better Manasa. (Thx.)
>
> The value of the YVUG would be greatly diminished if it were split
into
> segmented 'version' sub groups (and, frankly, I'd likely kill my
account).
>
> Basic (free) Yahoo Mail limitations are just not a compelling enough
> reason to consider multiple subgroups (as that would really just
compound
> the problem).
>
> I find it only takes a few minutes a day to scan thru each day's new
post
> (and that's on my Palm Centro), occasionally respond (if someone
hasn't
> already beat me to it & provided the same advice I would give), and
delete
> posts I don't feel need retained.
>
> Weekly, it is just not that big of a deal to FWD things of long term
> interest to my outlook acct & stash them in a fully searchable
subfolder
> (and/or 'chime in' w/ the luxury of non-wrk hr, unpressured time IF I
> think I can add value on a post w/ unresolved issues).
>
> I hope we don't fragment this group. (Call me paranoid but I'd bet
Epicor
> wouldn't mind seeing this group fragment at all...)
>
> Rob Brown
> --- Original Message ---
> From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
> Sent:Fri 2/12/10 1:54 pm
> To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Subj:RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> Thanks for the support guys!
>
> Gavin if you are a new user I can definitely understand why you would
> want to try to have a separate group. I really do, but take it from
our
> viewpoint. Once you have been through a couple of versions, you would
> want the support of the whole group. Because you would have the wisdom
> for new users and if you do not move fast enough to the new versions,
> you want to know what to expect down the road.
>
> Now you have basically taken that away by forming this new list. There
> are a good many of us who have been a part of this list from a VERY
long
> time. And once you have been on your group for that long, only then
> will you truly understand where we are coming from.
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
> <mailto:manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf
> Of Mark Wagner
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:46 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> I agree with Brian and Melissa on this. Although E9 has some issues
not
> applicable to Vantage, for the most part, sharing ideas, thoughts,
> workarounds, and issues across E9 and Vantage still makes sense to me
to
> do it in one place
>
> To me it would be like saying lets have a Vantage 8.xx group and not
> involve users from 6.xx
>
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Brian W. Spolarich
> <bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
> <mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> > wrote:
>
> From: Brian W. Spolarich
> <bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
> <mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> >
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:59 PM
>
> I hate the lack of searchability of this group, and Yahoo!'s general
> abandoning of its Groups service.
>
> But at least one person felt if we moved it to something else they'd
> leave forever.
>
> I'd prefer to see a single V8/V9 group personally, on something other
> than Yahoo!, since they don't seem to care about their groups service.
>
> But that's just me.
>
> -bws
>
> --
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix
/
> Picometrix
> bspolarich@advanced photonix. com ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> www.advancedphotoni x.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
> Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?
>
> I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
> lists....
>
> Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
> judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@weldcoa. com <mailto:manasa@weldcoa. com>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.
>
>
>
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>
>
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