New Epicor 9 Group

You should talk to both Calvin Dekker and Mark Wonsil. Both are doing
what you mentioned, albeit a little different from each other.



Calvin has a user group website and Mark is doing a type of Wikipedia.
Both are great ideas and are worth looking at.







M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ned
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group





I think having multiple groups and lists based on version is just a bad
bad
idea.

While there are differences between 4, 5, 6, 8, 8.03, 8.03.4x and 9,
there
are an awful lot of similarities as well. While each has it's own quirks

based on SP and versions of Progress or SQL, the underlying architecture
and
many of the fixes are universal accross all versions. Progress version
may
be different, but the way a command is written in Progress for something
is
likely to be the same no matter what version of Vantage and Progress you
are
using.

The same goes for questions about reporting with Crystal, the version of

Vantage you have is irrelevant a lot of the time.

If there is a problem with people not wanting to read things about
versions
they don't have, then there are alternatives that can allow everyone to
stay
in one group and allow for the knowledge to be shared with everyone
since it
is better to end up with a larger group to solve a problem over several
smaller groups, especially since some people who have moved on to a
newer
version still have lots of knowledge about previous versions, even if
they
aren't running them anymore, and those minds would be lost if they left
the
8 group to go to the 9 group since they aren't running 8 anymore, so why

bother and subscribe?

I think everyone here would gain the most from keeping everything under
one
roof, and possibly just adjusting how we do things under that roof to
make
it more "friendly" to those who wish to be segregated.

I have some ideas that would be part of a systematic approach to how
people
initially pose a question to the group. The question is if we could get
these "rules" implimented and have everyone actually follow them. Put
them
on the front page of the group, as well as include them in whatever
"Welcome
message" people get when they join up, and possibly send out a reminder
once
a month to everyone.

One idea is that we create a more structured Subject Line or Title of
the
initial posting/email to the group. This is also partially done by some
people now, but not by everyone, which often results in the same
question
bein asked whenever someone poses a question looking for a solution. How

many times does someone ask a question, only to have that question
followed
up by "What version of Vantage?" in a follow up email by someone else?

Make sure that people use a marker in the subject so without opening it,
we
all know what it pertains to...

Something in the structure of this General Subject - Program
Section/Area -
Version of Vantage

Examples of what these would look like

Customization - Order Entry- V8.03.406
BAQ Report - WIP - E9
BAM - CRM - V6.1

Another thing that often comes up are technical questions, which always
seems to draw out the same quesitons as well. How much RAM? Raid setup?
Processors? Version? NICs? Etc

I often wonder if it would be better to create a webpage somewhere with
an
easy to use form on it for people to input their initial posting in the
first place, which could include several required fields which would be
automatically tagged to the end of the email and avoid all the standard
follow up questions that seem to come on about 75% of the initial
postings.

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From: "Thomas Rose" <t.rose@...
<mailto:t.rose%40electricmirror.com> >
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

> While I have some sympathy for the fragmentation issue, I'm not as
opposed
> as others. We are on 8.03, but are thinking about a move to 9.X
sometime.
> It is helpful to see the 9 discussions, so we can get a feel for what
is
> in store. I have subscribed to the 9 group and the generic group. In
> Outlook, all the emails from either group go to one folder by rule, so

> both forums are intermixed. The one nice thing about separate forums
is
> no one has to get more information than they need. For me, I will
never
> notice the fragmentation.
>
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of robertb_versa@... <mailto:robertb_versa%40yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:14 PM
> To: manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> ;
vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
>
>
> Couldn't have said it better Manasa. (Thx.)
>
> The value of the YVUG would be greatly diminished if it were split
into
> segmented 'version' sub groups (and, frankly, I'd likely kill my
account).
>
> Basic (free) Yahoo Mail limitations are just not a compelling enough
> reason to consider multiple subgroups (as that would really just
compound
> the problem).
>
> I find it only takes a few minutes a day to scan thru each day's new
post
> (and that's on my Palm Centro), occasionally respond (if someone
hasn't
> already beat me to it & provided the same advice I would give), and
delete
> posts I don't feel need retained.
>
> Weekly, it is just not that big of a deal to FWD things of long term
> interest to my outlook acct & stash them in a fully searchable
subfolder
> (and/or 'chime in' w/ the luxury of non-wrk hr, unpressured time IF I
> think I can add value on a post w/ unresolved issues).
>
> I hope we don't fragment this group. (Call me paranoid but I'd bet
Epicor
> wouldn't mind seeing this group fragment at all...)
>
> Rob Brown
> --- Original Message ---
> From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
> Sent:Fri 2/12/10 1:54 pm
> To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Subj:RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> Thanks for the support guys!
>
> Gavin if you are a new user I can definitely understand why you would
> want to try to have a separate group. I really do, but take it from
our
> viewpoint. Once you have been through a couple of versions, you would
> want the support of the whole group. Because you would have the wisdom
> for new users and if you do not move fast enough to the new versions,
> you want to know what to expect down the road.
>
> Now you have basically taken that away by forming this new list. There
> are a good many of us who have been a part of this list from a VERY
long
> time. And once you have been on your group for that long, only then
> will you truly understand where we are coming from.
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
> <mailto:manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf
> Of Mark Wagner
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:46 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> I agree with Brian and Melissa on this. Although E9 has some issues
not
> applicable to Vantage, for the most part, sharing ideas, thoughts,
> workarounds, and issues across E9 and Vantage still makes sense to me
to
> do it in one place
>
> To me it would be like saying lets have a Vantage 8.xx group and not
> involve users from 6.xx
>
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Brian W. Spolarich
> <bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
> <mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> > wrote:
>
> From: Brian W. Spolarich
> <bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
> <mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> >
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:59 PM
>
> I hate the lack of searchability of this group, and Yahoo!'s general
> abandoning of its Groups service.
>
> But at least one person felt if we moved it to something else they'd
> leave forever.
>
> I'd prefer to see a single V8/V9 group personally, on something other
> than Yahoo!, since they don't seem to care about their groups service.
>
> But that's just me.
>
> -bws
>
> --
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix
/
> Picometrix
> bspolarich@advanced photonix. com ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> www.advancedphotoni x.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
> Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?
>
> I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
> lists....
>
> Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
> judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@weldcoa. com <mailto:manasa@weldcoa. com>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
)
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo> ! Groups Links
>
>
>





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Hey all,

As some of you may have known there has been an Epicor 9 specific yahoo group for a while now. Unfortunately the owner of the group is no longer responding to emails and so I have taken the initiative to start a new Epicor focused users group here:

http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en

This group is focused on Epicor verion 9 and above.

We'd love to have you join us.

Thanks

Gavin
Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?



I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
lists....



Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...











M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gavin Davidson
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group





Hey all,

As some of you may have known there has been an Epicor 9 specific yahoo
group for a while now. Unfortunately the owner of the group is no longer
responding to emails and so I have taken the initiative to start a new
Epicor focused users group here:

http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en>

This group is focused on Epicor verion 9 and above.

We'd love to have you join us.

Thanks

Gavin





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I hate the lack of searchability of this group, and Yahoo!'s general abandoning of its Groups service.

But at least one person felt if we moved it to something else they'd leave forever.

I'd prefer to see a single V8/V9 group personally, on something other than Yahoo!, since they don't seem to care about their groups service.

But that's just me.

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix / Picometrix
    bspolarich@... ~ 734-864-5618 ~ www.advancedphotonix.com


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?



I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
lists....



Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...











M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gavin Davidson
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group





Hey all,

As some of you may have known there has been an Epicor 9 specific yahoo
group for a while now. Unfortunately the owner of the group is no longer
responding to emails and so I have taken the initiative to start a new
Epicor focused users group here:

http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en>

This group is focused on Epicor verion 9 and above.

We'd love to have you join us.

Thanks

Gavin





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------------------------------------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
I agree with Brian and Melissa on this. Although E9 has some issues not applicable to Vantage, for the most part, sharing ideas, thoughts, workarounds, and issues across E9 and Vantage still makes sense to me to do it in one place
Â
To me it would be like saying lets have a Vantage 8.xx group and not involve users from 6.xx

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...> wrote:


From: Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:59 PM


Â



I hate the lack of searchability of this group, and Yahoo!'s general abandoning of its Groups service.

But at least one person felt if we moved it to something else they'd leave forever.

I'd prefer to see a single V8/V9 group personally, on something other than Yahoo!, since they don't seem to care about their groups service.

But that's just me.

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix / Picometrix
    bspolarich@advanced photonix. com ~ 734-864-5618 ~ www.advancedphotoni x.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?

I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
lists....

Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@weldcoa. com <mailto:manasa@weldcoa. com>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa. com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of Gavin Davidson
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Hey all,

As some of you may have known there has been an Epicor 9 specific yahoo
group for a while now. Unfortunately the owner of the group is no longer
responding to emails and so I have taken the initiative to start a new
Epicor focused users group here:

http://groups. google.com/ group/epicor- users?hl= en
<http://groups. google.com/ group/epicor- users?hl= en>

This group is focused on Epicor verion 9 and above.

We'd love to have you join us.

Thanks

Gavin

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------ --------- --------- ------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ linksYahoo! Groups Links











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Thanks for the support guys!



Gavin if you are a new user I can definitely understand why you would
want to try to have a separate group. I really do, but take it from our
viewpoint. Once you have been through a couple of versions, you would
want the support of the whole group. Because you would have the wisdom
for new users and if you do not move fast enough to the new versions,
you want to know what to expect down the road.



Now you have basically taken that away by forming this new list. There
are a good many of us who have been a part of this list from a VERY long
time. And once you have been on your group for that long, only then
will you truly understand where we are coming from.







M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group





I agree with Brian and Melissa on this. Although E9 has some issues not
applicable to Vantage, for the most part, sharing ideas, thoughts,
workarounds, and issues across E9 and Vantage still makes sense to me to
do it in one place

To me it would be like saying lets have a Vantage 8.xx group and not
involve users from 6.xx

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> > wrote:

From: Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> >
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:59 PM



I hate the lack of searchability of this group, and Yahoo!'s general
abandoning of its Groups service.

But at least one person felt if we moved it to something else they'd
leave forever.

I'd prefer to see a single V8/V9 group personally, on something other
than Yahoo!, since they don't seem to care about their groups service.

But that's just me.

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix
bspolarich@advanced photonix. com ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotoni x.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?

I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
lists....

Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@weldcoa. com <mailto:manasa@weldcoa. com>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa. com

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf
Of Gavin Davidson
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Hey all,

As some of you may have known there has been an Epicor 9 specific yahoo
group for a while now. Unfortunately the owner of the group is no longer
responding to emails and so I have taken the initiative to start a new
Epicor focused users group here:

http://groups. google.com/ group/epicor- users?hl= en
<http://groups. google.com/ group/epicor- users?hl= en>

This group is focused on Epicor verion 9 and above.

We'd love to have you join us.

Thanks

Gavin

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------ --------- --------- ------

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.
yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups. yahoo.com/
group/vantage/ messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vantage/ linksYahoo! Groups Links

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One thing that can't be forgotten- Epicor has a set pattern it uses when developing transactions and processes. Even if they add a new function, or change the name, they still use the same basic processes. (Without ever seeing the product, I can predict where testing needs to be more intense, and how it will most likely act)
I have not been with this group long at all, but I value the input of those still on 6 as much as those on 8.03.305, as much as those on 8.03.408b where I am. Their experience has made me look brilliant many times, and I would not willingly give it up.
Just my 2 cents.
(oh, but I agree that Yahoo could pay a little more attention to the group function...)
- leAnn


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the support guys!
>
>
>
> Gavin if you are a new user I can definitely understand why you would
> want to try to have a separate group. I really do, but take it from our
> viewpoint. Once you have been through a couple of versions, you would
> want the support of the whole group. Because you would have the wisdom
> for new users and if you do not move fast enough to the new versions,
> you want to know what to expect down the road.
>
>
>
> Now you have basically taken that away by forming this new list. There
> are a good many of us who have been a part of this list from a VERY long
> time. And once you have been on your group for that long, only then
> will you truly understand where we are coming from.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mark Wagner
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:46 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
>
>
>
>
> I agree with Brian and Melissa on this. Although E9 has some issues not
> applicable to Vantage, for the most part, sharing ideas, thoughts,
> workarounds, and issues across E9 and Vantage still makes sense to me to
> do it in one place
>
> To me it would be like saying lets have a Vantage 8.xx group and not
> involve users from 6.xx
>
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...
> <mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> > wrote:
>
> From: Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...
> <mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> >
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:59 PM
>
>
>
> I hate the lack of searchability of this group, and Yahoo!'s general
> abandoning of its Groups service.
>
> But at least one person felt if we moved it to something else they'd
> leave forever.
>
> I'd prefer to see a single V8/V9 group personally, on something other
> than Yahoo!, since they don't seem to care about their groups service.
>
> But that's just me.
>
> -bws
>
> --
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
> Picometrix
> bspolarich@advanced photonix. com ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> www.advancedphotoni x.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
> Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?
>
> I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
> lists....
>
> Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
> judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@weldcoa. com <mailto:manasa@weldcoa. com>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa. com
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
> Behalf
> Of Gavin Davidson
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Subject: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> Hey all,
>
> As some of you may have known there has been an Epicor 9 specific yahoo
> group for a while now. Unfortunately the owner of the group is no longer
> responding to emails and so I have taken the initiative to start a new
> Epicor focused users group here:
>
> http://groups. google.com/ group/epicor- users?hl= en
> <http://groups. google.com/ group/epicor- users?hl= en>
>
> This group is focused on Epicor verion 9 and above.
>
> We'd love to have you join us.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gavin
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
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> group/vantage/ messages
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>
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>
>
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>
Good Day M.Manasa:

There are pluses and minuses to having two lists.
V8 and E9 are similar but not exact; thus, any advise might be
completely wrong or exactly correct depending on if the people
interacting are on the same software version.
Problem could be solved by everyone ALWAYS noting: Version, release,
SQL\Informix,etc; but that would be required on EVERY email to be
useful.
There was a complaint last week from an V8 user who did not want his
email cluttered with E9 questions that have no relevance to him.
On the other hand, some V8 users, OR MANAGE 2000 users like me, were
very curious about V8 and then E9. The M2K list server had some V8 stuff
on it for a while, but those packages were very,very different. V8 and
E9 are very similar.
Curiosity comes from the fact that E9 may be in the future of many
V8 users.
There are two attitudes ( both legitimate):
A. I want everything and I will sort it out later; better I
read 10 useless emails then miss a
critical one.
B. I only want emails relevant to MY version of the software
I personally am in the A group, but I have joined the new group
because if it is a pure E9 question, why post it on the V8 list?
Counter is that it allows V8 users to see E9 features that they would
kill for, and so would be motivated to go to E9. But, as in the Bible,
you would have to go through a lot of chaff in order to harvest the
wheat.
I run MANAGE 2000 but am implementing E9 ( 9.04.505B) now. I have
been on the V8 list server for a year and I see the packages have a huge
amount in common.
I will probably post questions to both - actually all three since I
also belong to the $360/ year other V8 List.

Biggest argument is that you would never know if the answer applies
unless everyone ALWAYS notes the Version they are on.
Next to it is that the V8 list server belongs to V8 users, so they
have a right to not have it cluttered with E9 questions\responses.
Another solution is for V8er's to sign up to the new list if they
want a sneak peek at E9. But then E9 users would have to post to both if
they had a problem that is the same in both Versions; that is a V8
answer is perfectly good for a E9 question most (some?) of the time; OR,
if it is an SQL or Informix question there is no difference.

There is no correct answer, only different possibilities. Which
possibility is preferred is a personal\situational decision. Like
putting melted marshmallow on a Chocolate snowball.

The extent of my reply indicates that I do find it unfortunate to
have two lists, but do see some value in it.
We need to work this out, unless the Owner of the Yahoo group
decides to make the decision. I am not that familiar with yahoo.groups,
but I think we all asked to be allowed to join, but it is owned by the
person who created it and he can set the rules. I do not even know who
that is. Who has the power? Who sets the rules? Who will enforce the
rules? The participants or the evil, heartless, owner. Like many things
in life, a simple thing, like a community of users working to help each
other, always gets complicated when it gets bigger and change happens.


len.hartka@...
Leonard C. Hartka, IT Director\ERP Manager
Sun Automation Group
66 Loveton Circle
Sparks, Md. 21152
410-329-3560 ext. 120
410-329-3564 FAX
443-255-7192 Work Cell
len.hartka@...

www.Sunautomation.com <http://www.sunautomation.com/>





________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group




Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?

I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
lists....

Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Gavin Davidson
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Hey all,

As some of you may have known there has been an Epicor 9 specific yahoo
group for a while now. Unfortunately the owner of the group is no longer
responding to emails and so I have taken the initiative to start a new
Epicor focused users group here:

http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en>
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en> >

This group is focused on Epicor verion 9 and above.

We'd love to have you join us.

Thanks

Gavin

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My only thought is if there is going to be a separate list for 9 why wasn't
there a separate list for 6 and 5 and so on and so forth.



~Charlie

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Len Hartka
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group





Good Day M.Manasa:

There are pluses and minuses to having two lists.
V8 and E9 are similar but not exact; thus, any advise might be
completely wrong or exactly correct depending on if the people
interacting are on the same software version.
Problem could be solved by everyone ALWAYS noting: Version, release,
SQL\Informix,etc; but that would be required on EVERY email to be
useful.
There was a complaint last week from an V8 user who did not want his
email cluttered with E9 questions that have no relevance to him.
On the other hand, some V8 users, OR MANAGE 2000 users like me, were
very curious about V8 and then E9. The M2K list server had some V8 stuff
on it for a while, but those packages were very,very different. V8 and
E9 are very similar.
Curiosity comes from the fact that E9 may be in the future of many
V8 users.
There are two attitudes ( both legitimate):
A. I want everything and I will sort it out later; better I
read 10 useless emails then miss a
critical one.
B. I only want emails relevant to MY version of the software
I personally am in the A group, but I have joined the new group
because if it is a pure E9 question, why post it on the V8 list?
Counter is that it allows V8 users to see E9 features that they would
kill for, and so would be motivated to go to E9. But, as in the Bible,
you would have to go through a lot of chaff in order to harvest the
wheat.
I run MANAGE 2000 but am implementing E9 ( 9.04.505B) now. I have
been on the V8 list server for a year and I see the packages have a huge
amount in common.
I will probably post questions to both - actually all three since I
also belong to the $360/ year other V8 List.

Biggest argument is that you would never know if the answer applies
unless everyone ALWAYS notes the Version they are on.
Next to it is that the V8 list server belongs to V8 users, so they
have a right to not have it cluttered with E9 questions\responses.
Another solution is for V8er's to sign up to the new list if they
want a sneak peek at E9. But then E9 users would have to post to both if
they had a problem that is the same in both Versions; that is a V8
answer is perfectly good for a E9 question most (some?) of the time; OR,
if it is an SQL or Informix question there is no difference.

There is no correct answer, only different possibilities. Which
possibility is preferred is a personal\situational decision. Like
putting melted marshmallow on a Chocolate snowball.

The extent of my reply indicates that I do find it unfortunate to
have two lists, but do see some value in it.
We need to work this out, unless the Owner of the Yahoo group
decides to make the decision. I am not that familiar with yahoo.groups,
but I think we all asked to be allowed to join, but it is owned by the
person who created it and he can set the rules. I do not even know who
that is. Who has the power? Who sets the rules? Who will enforce the
rules? The participants or the evil, heartless, owner. Like many things
in life, a simple thing, like a community of users working to help each
other, always gets complicated when it gets bigger and change happens.


len.hartka@sunautom <mailto:len.hartka%40sunautomation.com> ation.com
Leonard C. Hartka, IT Director\ERP Manager
Sun Automation Group
66 Loveton Circle
Sparks, Md. 21152
410-329-3560 ext. 120
410-329-3564 FAX
443-255-7192 Work Cell
len.hartka@sunautom <mailto:len.hartka%40sunautomation.com> ation.com

www.Sunautomation.com <http://www.sunautom <http://www.sunautomation.com/>
ation.com/>

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?

I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
lists....

Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@weldcoa. <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> com
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa@weldcoa. <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> com
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Gavin Davidson
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Hey all,

As some of you may have known there has been an Epicor 9 specific yahoo
group for a while now. Unfortunately the owner of the group is no longer
responding to emails and so I have taken the initiative to start a new
Epicor focused users group here:

http://groups. <http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en>
google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups. <http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en>
google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en>
<http://groups. <http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en>
google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups. <http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en>
google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en> >

This group is focused on Epicor verion 9 and above.

We'd love to have you join us.

Thanks

Gavin

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Good Day Brian:

Epicor did a greater thing for MANAGE-2000 users when they bought
M2K from ROISystems. They took over the List-Server that ROISytems had
hosted.

Even today the M2K List server is hosted by Epicor and it works very
well.

I do not know why they did not extend that to V8 or E9. It seems
like a fantastic way to get customer feedback. Of course, out of
courtesy, there are some things, like other ERP packages or third party
consultants, that we do not discuss, but otherwise it is wide open,
including some tough complaints about the slowness of some things
getting fixed.

Perhaps Epicor will take up the challenge for their new flagship
product: Epicor-9. It would even be a selling point.


len.hartka@...
Leonard C. Hartka, IT Director\ERP Manager
Sun Automation Group
66 Loveton Circle
Sparks, Md. 21152
410-329-3560 ext. 120
410-329-3564 FAX
443-255-7192 Work Cell
len.hartka@...

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________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group




I hate the lack of searchability of this group, and Yahoo!'s general
abandoning of its Groups service.

But at least one person felt if we moved it to something else they'd
leave forever.

I'd prefer to see a single V8/V9 group personally, on something other
than Yahoo!, since they don't seem to care about their groups service.

But that's just me.

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix
bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotonix.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?

I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
lists....

Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Gavin Davidson
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Hey all,

As some of you may have known there has been an Epicor 9 specific yahoo
group for a while now. Unfortunately the owner of the group is no longer
responding to emails and so I have taken the initiative to start a new
Epicor focused users group here:

http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en>
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en> >

This group is focused on Epicor verion 9 and above.

We'd love to have you join us.

Thanks

Gavin

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Guys, I have to chime in here. The lack of searchability does make this group hard to use, but it has still been a hugely valuable resource, and I agree splitting it up between V8/E9 would be a bad idea. I may want to go to 9 someday, and I want to see other people's ideas, thoughts and struggles without having to monitor another group.

So, in light of poor searching and lack of Yahoo support considered, how can we move this group to a more usefull and intuitive format? It would be easy for us to start a multi-threading user-group like a usenet newsgroup (like google groups), or a message board (like tek-tips)? Could we somehow move history over as well?

Keith Walter
Good Day Charlie:

The reason there was never a separate list for 5,6, etc is that the
answer to questions in 5 have the same answer as in V8 a lot of the
time. Also, the universe of users probably tended to migrate together
from one version to the next so that the list server now is more V8 the
V6.

V8 to E9 are technologically very different packages, but because of
SOA the layer just below the GUI interface stays the same. So the answer
to the questions from the database Managers is the same for V6 and V8
and E9. At least that is my impression - I have no first hand
experience, just what I have seen on the list server; that is, I have
seen V6 users give V8 users good usable answers. Big question is: Will
that 'usability' of the answers stay the same for V8 to E9.



len.hartka@...

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charlie Wilson
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 3:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group




My only thought is if there is going to be a separate list for 9 why
wasn't
there a separate list for 6 and 5 and so on and so forth.

~Charlie

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
Len Hartka
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Good Day M.Manasa:

There are pluses and minuses to having two lists.
V8 and E9 are similar but not exact; thus, any advise might be
completely wrong or exactly correct depending on if the people
interacting are on the same software version.
Problem could be solved by everyone ALWAYS noting: Version, release,
SQL\Informix,etc; but that would be required on EVERY email to be
useful.
There was a complaint last week from an V8 user who did not want his
email cluttered with E9 questions that have no relevance to him.
On the other hand, some V8 users, OR MANAGE 2000 users like me, were
very curious about V8 and then E9. The M2K list server had some V8 stuff
on it for a while, but those packages were very,very different. V8 and
E9 are very similar.
Curiosity comes from the fact that E9 may be in the future of many
V8 users.
There are two attitudes ( both legitimate):
A. I want everything and I will sort it out later; better I
read 10 useless emails then miss a
critical one.
B. I only want emails relevant to MY version of the software
I personally am in the A group, but I have joined the new group
because if it is a pure E9 question, why post it on the V8 list?
Counter is that it allows V8 users to see E9 features that they would
kill for, and so would be motivated to go to E9. But, as in the Bible,
you would have to go through a lot of chaff in order to harvest the
wheat.
I run MANAGE 2000 but am implementing E9 ( 9.04.505B) now. I have
been on the V8 list server for a year and I see the packages have a huge
amount in common.
I will probably post questions to both - actually all three since I
also belong to the $360/ year other V8 List.

Biggest argument is that you would never know if the answer applies
unless everyone ALWAYS notes the Version they are on.
Next to it is that the V8 list server belongs to V8 users, so they
have a right to not have it cluttered with E9 questions\responses.
Another solution is for V8er's to sign up to the new list if they
want a sneak peek at E9. But then E9 users would have to post to both if
they had a problem that is the same in both Versions; that is a V8
answer is perfectly good for a E9 question most (some?) of the time; OR,
if it is an SQL or Informix question there is no difference.

There is no correct answer, only different possibilities. Which
possibility is preferred is a personal\situational decision. Like
putting melted marshmallow on a Chocolate snowball.

The extent of my reply indicates that I do find it unfortunate to
have two lists, but do see some value in it.
We need to work this out, unless the Owner of the Yahoo group
decides to make the decision. I am not that familiar with yahoo.groups,
but I think we all asked to be allowed to join, but it is owned by the
person who created it and he can set the rules. I do not even know who
that is. Who has the power? Who sets the rules? Who will enforce the
rules? The participants or the evil, heartless, owner. Like many things
in life, a simple thing, like a community of users working to help each
other, always gets complicated when it gets bigger and change happens.

len.hartka@sunautom <mailto:len.hartka%40sunautomation.com> ation.com
Leonard C. Hartka, IT Director\ERP Manager
Sun Automation Group
66 Loveton Circle
Sparks, Md. 21152
410-329-3560 ext. 120
410-329-3564 FAX
443-255-7192 Work Cell
len.hartka@sunautom <mailto:len.hartka%40sunautomation.com> ation.com

www.Sunautomation.com <http://www.sunautom
<http://www.sunautomation.com/ <http://www.sunautomation.com/> >
ation.com/>

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?

I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
lists....

Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@weldcoa. <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> com
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa@weldcoa. <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> com
<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Gavin Davidson
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Hey all,

As some of you may have known there has been an Epicor 9 specific yahoo
group for a while now. Unfortunately the owner of the group is no longer
responding to emails and so I have taken the initiative to start a new
Epicor focused users group here:

http://groups. <http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en> >
google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups. <http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en> >
google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en>
<http://groups. <http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en> >
google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups. <http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en
<http://groups.google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en> >
google.com/group/epicor-users?hl=en> >

This group is focused on Epicor verion 9 and above.

We'd love to have you join us.

Thanks

Gavin

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Couldn't have said it better Manasa. (Thx.)

The value of the YVUG would be greatly diminished if it were split into segmented 'version' sub groups (and, frankly, I'd likely kill my account).

Basic (free) Yahoo Mail limitations are just not a compelling enough reason to consider multiple subgroups (as that would really just compound the problem).

I find it only takes a few minutes a day to scan thru each day's new post (and that's on my Palm Centro), occasionally respond (if someone hasn't already beat me to it & provided the same advice I would give), and delete posts I don't feel need retained.

Weekly, it is just not that big of a deal to FWD things of long term interest to my outlook acct & stash them in a fully searchable subfolder (and/or 'chime in' w/ the luxury of non-wrk hr, unpressured time IF I think I can add value on a post w/ unresolved issues).

I hope we don't fragment this group. (Call me paranoid but I'd bet Epicor wouldn't mind seeing this group fragment at all...)

Rob Brown
--- Original Message ---
From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...>
Sent:Fri 2/12/10 1:54 pm
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Thanks for the support guys!



Gavin if you are a new user I can definitely understand why you would
want to try to have a separate group. I really do, but take it from our
viewpoint. Once you have been through a couple of versions, you would
want the support of the whole group. Because you would have the wisdom
for new users and if you do not move fast enough to the new versions,
you want to know what to expect down the road.



Now you have basically taken that away by forming this new list. There
are a good many of us who have been a part of this list from a VERY long
time. And once you have been on your group for that long, only then
will you truly understand where we are coming from.







M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group





I agree with Brian and Melissa on this. Although E9 has some issues not
applicable to Vantage, for the most part, sharing ideas, thoughts,
workarounds, and issues across E9 and Vantage still makes sense to me to
do it in one place

To me it would be like saying lets have a Vantage 8.xx group and not
involve users from 6.xx

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> > wrote:

From: Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> >
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:59 PM



I hate the lack of searchability of this group, and Yahoo!'s general
abandoning of its Groups service.

But at least one person felt if we moved it to something else they'd
leave forever.

I'd prefer to see a single V8/V9 group personally, on something other
than Yahoo!, since they don't seem to care about their groups service.

But that's just me.

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix
bspolarich@advanced photonix. com ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotoni x.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?

I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
lists....

Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@weldcoa. com <mailto:manasa@weldcoa. com>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.
Hi Len,

> Epicor did a greater thing for MANAGE-2000 users when they bought
> M2K from ROISystems. They took over the List-Server that ROISytems had
> hosted.
>
> I do not know why they did not extend that to V8 or E9. It seems
> like a fantastic way to get customer feedback. Of course, out of
> courtesy, there are some things, like other ERP packages or third party
> consultants, that we do not discuss, but otherwise it is wide open,
> including some tough complaints about the slowness of some things
> getting fixed.
>
> Perhaps Epicor will take up the challenge for their new flagship
> product: Epicor-9. It would even be a selling point.

There ARE forums in EpicWeb for all of the Epicor products. I think this group is different in that you don't have to be on maintenance to have access to it. It is also not moderated by Epicor, so there's a little more venting that might get censored on the official site.

FWIW.

Mark W.
While I have some sympathy for the fragmentation issue, I'm not as opposed as others. We are on 8.03, but are thinking about a move to 9.X sometime. It is helpful to see the 9 discussions, so we can get a feel for what is in store. I have subscribed to the 9 group and the generic group. In Outlook, all the emails from either group go to one folder by rule, so both forums are intermixed. The one nice thing about separate forums is no one has to get more information than they need. For me, I will never notice the fragmentation.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of robertb_versa@...
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:14 PM
To: manasa@...; vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group



Couldn't have said it better Manasa. (Thx.)

The value of the YVUG would be greatly diminished if it were split into segmented 'version' sub groups (and, frankly, I'd likely kill my account).

Basic (free) Yahoo Mail limitations are just not a compelling enough reason to consider multiple subgroups (as that would really just compound the problem).

I find it only takes a few minutes a day to scan thru each day's new post (and that's on my Palm Centro), occasionally respond (if someone hasn't already beat me to it & provided the same advice I would give), and delete posts I don't feel need retained.

Weekly, it is just not that big of a deal to FWD things of long term interest to my outlook acct & stash them in a fully searchable subfolder (and/or 'chime in' w/ the luxury of non-wrk hr, unpressured time IF I think I can add value on a post w/ unresolved issues).

I hope we don't fragment this group. (Call me paranoid but I'd bet Epicor wouldn't mind seeing this group fragment at all...)

Rob Brown
--- Original Message ---
From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
Sent:Fri 2/12/10 1:54 pm
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Thanks for the support guys!

Gavin if you are a new user I can definitely understand why you would
want to try to have a separate group. I really do, but take it from our
viewpoint. Once you have been through a couple of versions, you would
want the support of the whole group. Because you would have the wisdom
for new users and if you do not move fast enough to the new versions,
you want to know what to expect down the road.

Now you have basically taken that away by forming this new list. There
are a good many of us who have been a part of this list from a VERY long
time. And once you have been on your group for that long, only then
will you truly understand where we are coming from.

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> <mailto:manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Mark Wagner
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

I agree with Brian and Melissa on this. Although E9 has some issues not
applicable to Vantage, for the most part, sharing ideas, thoughts,
workarounds, and issues across E9 and Vantage still makes sense to me to
do it in one place

To me it would be like saying lets have a Vantage 8.xx group and not
involve users from 6.xx

--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> > wrote:

From: Brian W. Spolarich <bspolarich@...<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> >
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:59 PM

I hate the lack of searchability of this group, and Yahoo!'s general
abandoning of its Groups service.

But at least one person felt if we moved it to something else they'd
leave forever.

I'd prefer to see a single V8/V9 group personally, on something other
than Yahoo!, since they don't seem to care about their groups service.

But that's just me.

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
Picometrix
bspolarich@advanced photonix. com ~ 734-864-5618 ~
www.advancedphotoni x.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group

Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?

I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
lists....

Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@weldcoa. com <mailto:manasa@weldcoa. com>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.



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I think having multiple groups and lists based on version is just a bad bad
idea.

While there are differences between 4, 5, 6, 8, 8.03, 8.03.4x and 9, there
are an awful lot of similarities as well. While each has it's own quirks
based on SP and versions of Progress or SQL, the underlying architecture and
many of the fixes are universal accross all versions. Progress version may
be different, but the way a command is written in Progress for something is
likely to be the same no matter what version of Vantage and Progress you are
using.

The same goes for questions about reporting with Crystal, the version of
Vantage you have is irrelevant a lot of the time.

If there is a problem with people not wanting to read things about versions
they don't have, then there are alternatives that can allow everyone to stay
in one group and allow for the knowledge to be shared with everyone since it
is better to end up with a larger group to solve a problem over several
smaller groups, especially since some people who have moved on to a newer
version still have lots of knowledge about previous versions, even if they
aren't running them anymore, and those minds would be lost if they left the
8 group to go to the 9 group since they aren't running 8 anymore, so why
bother and subscribe?

I think everyone here would gain the most from keeping everything under one
roof, and possibly just adjusting how we do things under that roof to make
it more "friendly" to those who wish to be segregated.

I have some ideas that would be part of a systematic approach to how people
initially pose a question to the group. The question is if we could get
these "rules" implimented and have everyone actually follow them. Put them
on the front page of the group, as well as include them in whatever "Welcome
message" people get when they join up, and possibly send out a reminder once
a month to everyone.

One idea is that we create a more structured Subject Line or Title of the
initial posting/email to the group. This is also partially done by some
people now, but not by everyone, which often results in the same question
bein asked whenever someone poses a question looking for a solution. How
many times does someone ask a question, only to have that question followed
up by "What version of Vantage?" in a follow up email by someone else?

Make sure that people use a marker in the subject so without opening it, we
all know what it pertains to...

Something in the structure of this General Subject - Program Section/Area -
Version of Vantage

Examples of what these would look like

Customization - Order Entry- V8.03.406
BAQ Report - WIP - E9
BAM - CRM - V6.1

Another thing that often comes up are technical questions, which always
seems to draw out the same quesitons as well. How much RAM? Raid setup?
Processors? Version? NICs? Etc

I often wonder if it would be better to create a webpage somewhere with an
easy to use form on it for people to input their initial posting in the
first place, which could include several required fields which would be
automatically tagged to the end of the email and avoid all the standard
follow up questions that seem to come on about 75% of the initial postings.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Rose" <t.rose@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group


> While I have some sympathy for the fragmentation issue, I'm not as opposed
> as others. We are on 8.03, but are thinking about a move to 9.X sometime.
> It is helpful to see the 9 discussions, so we can get a feel for what is
> in store. I have subscribed to the 9 group and the generic group. In
> Outlook, all the emails from either group go to one folder by rule, so
> both forums are intermixed. The one nice thing about separate forums is
> no one has to get more information than they need. For me, I will never
> notice the fragmentation.
>
> Thom Rose
> Controller
> Electric Mirror LLC
> HOTEL LUXURY
>
> "The World Leader in Back-lit Mirrors & Mirror TV Technology"
>
> T 425 776-4946
> A 11831 Beverly Park Rd, Bldg D, Everett, WA 98204 USA
> www.electricmirror.com<http://www.electricmirror.com>
>
> Note: The information contained in the e-mail, including any attachments,
> is legally privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended
> recipient you are hereby notified that any reading, use or dissemination
> of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message
> in error, please immediately notify us by telephone at 425-776-4946 and
> delete this message from your system. Even though this e-mail and any
> attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that
> might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it
> is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free,
> and no responsibility is accepted by Electric Mirror LLC for any loss or
> damage arising in any way from its use
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of robertb_versa@...
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:14 PM
> To: manasa@...; vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
>
>
> Couldn't have said it better Manasa. (Thx.)
>
> The value of the YVUG would be greatly diminished if it were split into
> segmented 'version' sub groups (and, frankly, I'd likely kill my account).
>
> Basic (free) Yahoo Mail limitations are just not a compelling enough
> reason to consider multiple subgroups (as that would really just compound
> the problem).
>
> I find it only takes a few minutes a day to scan thru each day's new post
> (and that's on my Palm Centro), occasionally respond (if someone hasn't
> already beat me to it & provided the same advice I would give), and delete
> posts I don't feel need retained.
>
> Weekly, it is just not that big of a deal to FWD things of long term
> interest to my outlook acct & stash them in a fully searchable subfolder
> (and/or 'chime in' w/ the luxury of non-wrk hr, unpressured time IF I
> think I can add value on a post w/ unresolved issues).
>
> I hope we don't fragment this group. (Call me paranoid but I'd bet Epicor
> wouldn't mind seeing this group fragment at all...)
>
> Rob Brown
> --- Original Message ---
> From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
> Sent:Fri 2/12/10 1:54 pm
> To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Subj:RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> Thanks for the support guys!
>
> Gavin if you are a new user I can definitely understand why you would
> want to try to have a separate group. I really do, but take it from our
> viewpoint. Once you have been through a couple of versions, you would
> want the support of the whole group. Because you would have the wisdom
> for new users and if you do not move fast enough to the new versions,
> you want to know what to expect down the road.
>
> Now you have basically taken that away by forming this new list. There
> are a good many of us who have been a part of this list from a VERY long
> time. And once you have been on your group for that long, only then
> will you truly understand where we are coming from.
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
> <mailto:manasa@...<mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf
> Of Mark Wagner
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:46 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> I agree with Brian and Melissa on this. Although E9 has some issues not
> applicable to Vantage, for the most part, sharing ideas, thoughts,
> workarounds, and issues across E9 and Vantage still makes sense to me to
> do it in one place
>
> To me it would be like saying lets have a Vantage 8.xx group and not
> involve users from 6.xx
>
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Brian W. Spolarich
> <bspolarich@...<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
> <mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> > wrote:
>
> From: Brian W. Spolarich
> <bspolarich@...<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com>
> <mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> >
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:59 PM
>
> I hate the lack of searchability of this group, and Yahoo!'s general
> abandoning of its Groups service.
>
> But at least one person felt if we moved it to something else they'd
> leave forever.
>
> I'd prefer to see a single V8/V9 group personally, on something other
> than Yahoo!, since they don't seem to care about their groups service.
>
> But that's just me.
>
> -bws
>
> --
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix /
> Picometrix
> bspolarich@advanced photonix. com ~ 734-864-5618 ~
> www.advancedphotoni x.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
> Behalf Of Manasa Reddy
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] New Epicor 9 Group
>
> Well thanks, Gavin, but do we have cooties or something?
>
> I thought everyone was just a part of this list...now we have two
> lists....
>
> Why does everyone feel they have to separate? Really trying not to
> judge, just really curious. Maybe I am way off base, but whatever...
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@weldcoa. com <mailto:manasa@weldcoa. com>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
It would be a shame to divide our knowledge base. I get and give help to
people on different versions all the time.



Gerry Loranger

Systems Administrator

Preformed Line Products

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Cambridge, ON N1T 1N5

519-740-6666 Ext. 224

Email: gloranger@... <mailto:gloranger@...>

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