8.03.305H Global Finite Scheduling - Material constraints

As far as I can tell, all the parts are not constrained (the 'Constrained Material' box is unchecked and greyed out in Part Maintenance), but the Global Finite takes the Lead time entered for the part into consideration.

I could look at doing a batch process for zeroing out lead times and re-importing, but depending on the time to go through both process then the global itself, I'm not sure if it would be worth all the hassle. BUT my boss will not spend money on APS when this scenario seems to be a bug in the Vantage system. And I do have to agree. Why would the program default to consider the lead time on the base product if the constrained box isn't even available because it is an APS feature? Or better yet why would it not consider that the material is already here or at least on order? The global does not take that into consideration. That is the real problem from my standpoint.

Thanks for your help and thoughts on this.

Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:
I can only speak about 8.03.305H WITH APS:

Any Part can be set as either a Contrained Material or unconstrained in Part Maintenance via a checkbox field.

Our choice (as it sounds yours would be) is to not Constrain any Materials. Our Planner/Buyers are paid to do everything possible to MAKE desired schedules happen. That requires creative expediting to improve upon a systemically fixed (but rarely in the 'real world' actually 'fixed') material L/T.

Are you saying you aren't able to mark Parts as unconstrained with 8.03.305H without APS (or, even if you can, are you saying the Global ignores it and treats them as constrained anyway)?

It sounds like you don't need APS to get over limitations 8.03 otherwise has with the number of OPs (or resources/resource group per OP) without APS so, if you find you can't mark Parts as uncontrained Materials (or the setting is ignored), it doesn't seem like it would be horrificly difficult to create a batch process to export all Part L/Ts to a temp archive, reimport zero day L/T's, run the Global, then reimport the original archived L/T's once the Global completes.

Depending upon the number of Parts involved and available IT skills, that could be done with Part Maintenance List view copy/paste into excel or access (where the L/T's would be saved then changed to zero), then a Paste Update back into Vantage... Very slow if for more than a hundred or so records but possible.

The Open Edge ODBC driver that comes with Crystal Reports is read/write capable so you could always write back zero day L/T's via a SQL update.

Perhaps someone in the user group is familiar enough with other potential (safer, more reliably controlled) methods to mass set all L/Ts to zero before running the Global and then restoring them.

In any event, you will have to weigh the lifetime costs of APS versus any in-house costs for overcoming the lack of it.

Good luck with it. I'll be curious to hear what your chosen solution is once you've made a decision.



melissa hietala <kevmel822@...> wrote:
We have used the scheduling module for a few years, but in a very manual sense. We want to continue to utilize more of the software and scheduling is the next project. I have selected all of our machines to be Finitely scheduled. I ran the Global Finite Schedule process and it worked great other then the fact it did not override material constraints and does not give me the option to. Even if the material is issued already to the job or even already on order with a due date, the scheduling still takes into consideration the Lead time (constraint) entered for the part. For example, we have a job that material has already been issued to the job. But when we schedule it schedules it from 7 days forward (Lead time in materials part number) from the start date I wanted. I know that APS would supposedly solve this, but there has got to be a way, without spending more money, for the base module to work this without APS ???
Any help and direction would be greatly appreciated,

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
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We have used the scheduling module for a few years, but in a very manual sense. We want to continue to utilize more of the software and scheduling is the next project. I have selected all of our machines to be Finitely scheduled. I ran the Global Finite Schedule process and it worked great other then the fact it did not override material constraints and does not give me the option to. Even if the material is issued already to the job or even already on order with a due date, the scheduling still takes into consideration the Lead time (constraint) entered for the part. For example, we have a job that material has already been issued to the job. But when we schedule it schedules it from 7 days forward (Lead time in materials part number) from the start date I wanted. I know that APS would supposedly solve this, but there has got to be a way, without spending more money, for the base module to work this without APS ???
Any help and direction would be greatly appreciated,


Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@...

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I can only speak about 8.03.305H WITH APS:

Any Part can be set as either a Contrained Material or unconstrained in Part Maintenance via a checkbox field.

Our choice (as it sounds yours would be) is to not Constrain any Materials. Our Planner/Buyers are paid to do everything possible to MAKE desired schedules happen. That requires creative expediting to improve upon a systemically fixed (but rarely in the 'real world' actually 'fixed') material L/T.

Are you saying you aren't able to mark Parts as unconstrained with 8.03.305H without APS (or, even if you can, are you saying the Global ignores it and treats them as constrained anyway)?

It sounds like you don't need APS to get over limitations 8.03 otherwise has with the number of OPs (or resources/resource group per OP) without APS so, if you find you can't mark Parts as uncontrained Materials (or the setting is ignored), it doesn't seem like it would be horrificly difficult to create a batch process to export all Part L/Ts to a temp archive, reimport zero day L/T's, run the Global, then reimport the original archived L/T's once the Global completes.

Depending upon the number of Parts involved and available IT skills, that could be done with Part Maintenance List view copy/paste into excel or access (where the L/T's would be saved then changed to zero), then a Paste Update back into Vantage... Very slow if for more than a hundred or so records but possible.

The Open Edge ODBC driver that comes with Crystal Reports is read/write capable so you could always write back zero day L/T's via a SQL update.

Perhaps someone in the user group is familiar enough with other potential (safer, more reliably controlled) methods to mass set all L/Ts to zero before running the Global and then restoring them.

In any event, you will have to weigh the lifetime costs of APS versus any in-house costs for overcoming the lack of it.

Good luck with it. I'll be curious to hear what your chosen solution is once you've made a decision.



melissa hietala <kevmel822@...> wrote:
We have used the scheduling module for a few years, but in a very manual sense. We want to continue to utilize more of the software and scheduling is the next project. I have selected all of our machines to be Finitely scheduled. I ran the Global Finite Schedule process and it worked great other then the fact it did not override material constraints and does not give me the option to. Even if the material is issued already to the job or even already on order with a due date, the scheduling still takes into consideration the Lead time (constraint) entered for the part. For example, we have a job that material has already been issued to the job. But when we schedule it schedules it from 7 days forward (Lead time in materials part number) from the start date I wanted. I know that APS would supposedly solve this, but there has got to be a way, without spending more money, for the base module to work this without APS ???
Any help and direction would be greatly appreciated,

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@...

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Hi Robert just to clarify,



"Depending upon the number of Parts involved and available IT skills,
that could be done with Part Maintenance List view copy/paste into excel
or access (where the L/T's would be saved then changed to zero), then a
Paste Update back into Vantage... Very slow if for more than a hundred
or so records but possible."



There is no list view in part maintenance?



"Perhaps someone in the user group is familiar enough with other
potential (safer, more reliably controlled) methods to mass set all L/Ts
to zero before running the Global and then restoring them"

Service connect / customization / BPM / external application (in order
of required programming skills)





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: 28 August 2007 01:41
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.305H Global Finite Scheduling - Material
constraints



I can only speak about 8.03.305H WITH APS:

Any Part can be set as either a Contrained Material or unconstrained in
Part Maintenance via a checkbox field.

Our choice (as it sounds yours would be) is to not Constrain any
Materials. Our Planner/Buyers are paid to do everything possible to MAKE
desired schedules happen. That requires creative expediting to improve
upon a systemically fixed (but rarely in the 'real world' actually
'fixed') material L/T.

Are you saying you aren't able to mark Parts as unconstrained with
8.03.305H without APS (or, even if you can, are you saying the Global
ignores it and treats them as constrained anyway)?

It sounds like you don't need APS to get over limitations 8.03 otherwise
has with the number of OPs (or resources/resource group per OP) without
APS so, if you find you can't mark Parts as uncontrained Materials (or
the setting is ignored), it doesn't seem like it would be horrificly
difficult to create a batch process to export all Part L/Ts to a temp
archive, reimport zero day L/T's, run the Global, then reimport the
original archived L/T's once the Global completes.

Depending upon the number of Parts involved and available IT skills,
that could be done with Part Maintenance List view copy/paste into excel
or access (where the L/T's would be saved then changed to zero), then a
Paste Update back into Vantage... Very slow if for more than a hundred
or so records but possible.

The Open Edge ODBC driver that comes with Crystal Reports is read/write
capable so you could always write back zero day L/T's via a SQL update.

Perhaps someone in the user group is familiar enough with other
potential (safer, more reliably controlled) methods to mass set all L/Ts
to zero before running the Global and then restoring them.

In any event, you will have to weigh the lifetime costs of APS versus
any in-house costs for overcoming the lack of it.

Good luck with it. I'll be curious to hear what your chosen solution is
once you've made a decision.



melissa hietala <kevmel822@... <mailto:kevmel822%40yahoo.com> >
wrote:
We have used the scheduling module for a few years, but in a very manual
sense. We want to continue to utilize more of the software and
scheduling is the next project. I have selected all of our machines to
be Finitely scheduled. I ran the Global Finite Schedule process and it
worked great other then the fact it did not override material
constraints and does not give me the option to. Even if the material is
issued already to the job or even already on order with a due date, the
scheduling still takes into consideration the Lead time (constraint)
entered for the part. For example, we have a job that material has
already been issued to the job. But when we schedule it schedules it
from 7 days forward (Lead time in materials part number) from the start
date I wanted. I know that APS would supposedly solve this, but there
has got to be a way, without spending more money, for the base module to
work this without APS ???
Any help and direction would be greatly appreciated,

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@... <mailto:melissah%40ultramc.com>





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