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My apologies. When we started on Vantage in 8.0, what I said was
true. It did not take long for us to decide we would not use the
Constrained Material checkbox because everything bought to a job was
considered constrained regardless of the checkbox. We are on 404 now
and you are right that it is grayed out. I checked with Support and
somewhere around 8.03 it became necessary to have APS for that
feature. Sorry I didn't check first.

-Peter

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> Until we purchased APS the constrained material checkbox was greyed
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> You don't need APS for the Constrained Material feature, however
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> you are buying to jobs, your selection is overridden and
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> -
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> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jpfinch1" <sway@>
wrote:
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> > I was lead to believe that the constrained material flag only
works
> > it you purchased the APS "Advanced Planning & Scheduling"
module.
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> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown
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wrote:

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> > > It doesn't work in 404B either (and, good riddance) - It's one
of
> > those nice sales pitch features that, in practical use, would
be
>
much

> > more trouble than any productive value it would
add.
> >
>

> > > Perhaps if Constrained was controlled at the PartPant (or
better
> > yet, PartWhse) level - rather than at the Part level (impacting
all
> > Plants), it would have some chance of being
useful.
> >
>

> > > Probably some out there have also found that it wreaks havoc
with
> > MRP and the Global Scheduler (which are Plant-
centric).
> >
>

> > > The view used in the application is a temp view that draws
from
> > several 'real' tables. I suspect the assembly method to
construct
>
the

> > view on the fly is just flawed and never actually brings in
the
> > Part.Constrained status of the JobMtl.PartNum's - OR the
display
> > filter code for the native grid control is flawed in
some
>
fundamental

> >
way.

> >
>

> > > Rob
Brown

> >
>

> >
>

> >
>

> > > --- On Thu, 5/29/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@>
wrote:
> >
>

> > > From: nmtaylor1969
<n.taylor@>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling -

>
Vantage

> >
8.03.305K

> > > To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com

> > > Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 9:45
AM
> >
>

> >
>

> >
>

> >
>

> >
>

> >
>

> > >
Hi,

> >
>

> > > We want to use the constrained material flag and lead time
value
> >
within

> > > the MPF to control the initial scheduling dates of jobs.
Our
> >
business

> > > is very material orientated and there is no point scheduling
jobs
> >
if

> > > materials are unavailable. We plan to use this for "A" class
and
> > > problem parts only. After setting the appropriate parameters
and
> > > running MRP, the new unfirm job suggestions appear
to
> > > take the specified raw material lead times into account,
however
> >
when

> > > we look at the detail tab within the job scheduling board,
the
> >
material

> > > constraints grid is blank. Does anyone know why this
is ??
> >
>

> > >
Thanks,

> >
>

> > > Nick
Taylor

> > > Kingfield Electronics
Limited
> >
>

> >
>
2
Hi,

We want to use the constrained material flag and lead time value within
the MPF to control the initial scheduling dates of jobs. Our business
is very material orientated and there is no point scheduling jobs if
materials are unavailable. We plan to use this for "A" class and
problem parts only. After setting the appropriate parameters and
running MRP, the new unfirm job suggestions appear to
take the specified raw material lead times into account, however when
we look at the detail tab within the job scheduling board, the material
constraints grid is blank. Does anyone know why this is ??

Thanks,

Nick Taylor
Kingfield Electronics Limited
3
It doesn't work in 404B either (and, good riddance) - It's one of those nice sales pitch features that, in practical use, would be much more trouble than any productive value it would add.

Perhaps if Constrained was controlled at the PartPant (or better yet, PartWhse) level - rather than at the Part level (impacting all Plants), it would have some chance of being useful.

Probably some out there have also found that it wreaks havoc with MRP and the Global Scheduler (which are Plant-centric).

The view used in the application is a temp view that draws from several 'real' tables. I suspect the assembly method to construct the view on the fly is just flawed and never actually brings in the Part.Constrained status of the JobMtl.PartNum's - OR the display filter code for the native grid control is flawed in some fundamental way.

Rob Brown



--- On Thu, 5/29/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:

From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling - Vantage 8.03.305K
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 9:45 AM






Hi,

We want to use the constrained material flag and lead time value within
the MPF to control the initial scheduling dates of jobs. Our business
is very material orientated and there is no point scheduling jobs if
materials are unavailable. We plan to use this for "A" class and
problem parts only. After setting the appropriate parameters and
running MRP, the new unfirm job suggestions appear to
take the specified raw material lead times into account, however when
we look at the detail tab within the job scheduling board, the material
constraints grid is blank. Does anyone know why this is ??

Thanks,

Nick Taylor
Kingfield Electronics Limited
4
Thanks Rob, I guess I will give it up as a bad job then!!

I presume if we just set the lead times within the MRP planning
parameters this will get us to where we need to be. It would have
been useful to us to highlight those materials which are the key
drivers of the lead time.

I agree with your comments about the sales pitch! ;o)

I take it you are running 8.03.4xx - I have heard that this buggy,
particularly in relation to MRP. Are you encountering problems ?

Thanks,

Nick


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:
>
> It doesn't work in 404B either (and, good riddance) - It's one of
those nice sales pitch features that, in practical use, would be much
more trouble than any productive value it would add.
>
> Perhaps if Constrained was controlled at the PartPant (or better
yet, PartWhse) level - rather than at the Part level (impacting all
Plants), it would have some chance of being useful.
>
> Probably some out there have also found that it wreaks havoc with
MRP and the Global Scheduler (which are Plant-centric).
>
> The view used in the application is a temp view that draws from
several 'real' tables. I suspect the assembly method to construct the
view on the fly is just flawed and never actually brings in the
Part.Constrained status of the JobMtl.PartNum's - OR the display
filter code for the native grid control is flawed in some fundamental
way.
>
> Rob Brown
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/29/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:
>
> From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
> Subject: [Vantage] Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling - Vantage
8.03.305K
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 9:45 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We want to use the constrained material flag and lead time value
within
> the MPF to control the initial scheduling dates of jobs. Our
business
> is very material orientated and there is no point scheduling jobs
if
> materials are unavailable. We plan to use this for "A" class and
> problem parts only. After setting the appropriate parameters and
> running MRP, the new unfirm job suggestions appear to
> take the specified raw material lead times into account, however
when
> we look at the detail tab within the job scheduling board, the
material
> constraints grid is blank. Does anyone know why this is ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Taylor
> Kingfield Electronics Limited
>
5
I was lead to believe that the constrained material flag only works
it you purchased the APS "Advanced Planning & Scheduling" module.











--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:
>
> It doesn't work in 404B either (and, good riddance) - It's one of
those nice sales pitch features that, in practical use, would be much
more trouble than any productive value it would add.
>
> Perhaps if Constrained was controlled at the PartPant (or better
yet, PartWhse) level - rather than at the Part level (impacting all
Plants), it would have some chance of being useful.
>
> Probably some out there have also found that it wreaks havoc with
MRP and the Global Scheduler (which are Plant-centric).
>
> The view used in the application is a temp view that draws from
several 'real' tables. I suspect the assembly method to construct the
view on the fly is just flawed and never actually brings in the
Part.Constrained status of the JobMtl.PartNum's - OR the display
filter code for the native grid control is flawed in some fundamental
way.
>
> Rob Brown
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/29/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:
>
> From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
> Subject: [Vantage] Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling - Vantage
8.03.305K
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 9:45 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We want to use the constrained material flag and lead time value
within
> the MPF to control the initial scheduling dates of jobs. Our
business
> is very material orientated and there is no point scheduling jobs
if
> materials are unavailable. We plan to use this for "A" class and
> problem parts only. After setting the appropriate parameters and
> running MRP, the new unfirm job suggestions appear to
> take the specified raw material lead times into account, however
when
> we look at the detail tab within the job scheduling board, the
material
> constraints grid is blank. Does anyone know why this is ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Taylor
> Kingfield Electronics Limited
>
6
You don't need APS for the Constrained Material feature, however if
you are buying to jobs, your selection is overridden and everything
is considered constrained.

-Peter

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jpfinch1" <sway@...> wrote:
>
> I was lead to believe that the constrained material flag only works
> it you purchased the APS "Advanced Planning & Scheduling" module.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@>
> wrote:
> >
> > It doesn't work in 404B either (and, good riddance) - It's one of
> those nice sales pitch features that, in practical use, would be
much
> more trouble than any productive value it would add.
> >
> > Perhaps if Constrained was controlled at the PartPant (or better
> yet, PartWhse) level - rather than at the Part level (impacting all
> Plants), it would have some chance of being useful.
> >
> > Probably some out there have also found that it wreaks havoc with
> MRP and the Global Scheduler (which are Plant-centric).
> >
> > The view used in the application is a temp view that draws from
> several 'real' tables. I suspect the assembly method to construct
the
> view on the fly is just flawed and never actually brings in the
> Part.Constrained status of the JobMtl.PartNum's - OR the display
> filter code for the native grid control is flawed in some
fundamental
> way.
> >
> > Rob Brown
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/29/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@> wrote:
> >
> > From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling -
Vantage
> 8.03.305K
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 9:45 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We want to use the constrained material flag and lead time value
> within
> > the MPF to control the initial scheduling dates of jobs. Our
> business
> > is very material orientated and there is no point scheduling jobs
> if
> > materials are unavailable. We plan to use this for "A" class and
> > problem parts only. After setting the appropriate parameters and
> > running MRP, the new unfirm job suggestions appear to
> > take the specified raw material lead times into account, however
> when
> > we look at the detail tab within the job scheduling board, the
> material
> > constraints grid is blank. Does anyone know why this is ??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nick Taylor
> > Kingfield Electronics Limited
> >
>
7
I'll let you know after 6/9 if we overcame all the (new) 404 scheduling and MRP issues. We're piloting (and customizing/putting BAMs & BPMs in place like mad to get around the problems) so I'm hopeful it will be smooth.

- But yes: 403/4 were steps backwards in some VERY critical areas (to support our particular business model & subprocesses).

Rob



--- On Fri, 5/30/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...> wrote:

From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling - Vantage 8.03.305K
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 2:55 AM






Thanks Rob, I guess I will give it up as a bad job then!!

I presume if we just set the lead times within the MRP planning
parameters this will get us to where we need to be. It would have
been useful to us to highlight those materials which are the key
drivers of the lead time.

I agree with your comments about the sales pitch! ;o)

I take it you are running 8.03.4xx - I have heard that this buggy,
particularly in relation to MRP. Are you encountering problems ?

Thanks,

Nick

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ ...>
wrote:
>
> It doesn't work in 404B either (and, good riddance) - It's one of
those nice sales pitch features that, in practical use, would be much
more trouble than any productive value it would add.
>
> Perhaps if Constrained was controlled at the PartPant (or better
yet, PartWhse) level - rather than at the Part level (impacting all
Plants), it would have some chance of being useful.
>
> Probably some out there have also found that it wreaks havoc with
MRP and the Global Scheduler (which are Plant-centric) .
>
> The view used in the application is a temp view that draws from
several 'real' tables. I suspect the assembly method to construct the
view on the fly is just flawed and never actually brings in the
Part.Constrained status of the JobMtl.PartNum' s - OR the display
filter code for the native grid control is flawed in some fundamental
way.
>
> Rob Brown
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/29/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@.. .> wrote:
>
> From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@.. .>
> Subject: [Vantage] Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling - Vantage
8.03.305K
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 9:45 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We want to use the constrained material flag and lead time value
within
> the MPF to control the initial scheduling dates of jobs. Our
business
> is very material orientated and there is no point scheduling jobs
if
> materials are unavailable. We plan to use this for "A" class and
> problem parts only. After setting the appropriate parameters and
> running MRP, the new unfirm job suggestions appear to
> take the specified raw material lead times into account, however
when
> we look at the detail tab within the job scheduling board, the
material
> constraints grid is blank. Does anyone know why this is ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Taylor
> Kingfield Electronics Limited
>
8
We have APS and on 404 it is a useless function relative to simply having skilled, experienced planners who don't need the system to do what they do in the blink of an eye in their heads.

It is a fundamentally flawed 'book' concept as there is (rarely) a true fixed "lead time" for a part in the real world. That's why we pay buyers and planners - to improve those lead times. Why any one would want a system to codify them is beyond me.

Rob

--- On Fri, 5/30/08, jpfinch1 <sway@...> wrote:

From: jpfinch1 <sway@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling - Vantage 8.03.305K
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 9:46 AM






I was lead to believe that the constrained material flag only works
it you purchased the APS "Advanced Planning & Scheduling" module.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ ...>
wrote:
>
> It doesn't work in 404B either (and, good riddance) - It's one of
those nice sales pitch features that, in practical use, would be much
more trouble than any productive value it would add.
>
> Perhaps if Constrained was controlled at the PartPant (or better
yet, PartWhse) level - rather than at the Part level (impacting all
Plants), it would have some chance of being useful.
>
> Probably some out there have also found that it wreaks havoc with
MRP and the Global Scheduler (which are Plant-centric) .
>
> The view used in the application is a temp view that draws from
several 'real' tables. I suspect the assembly method to construct the
view on the fly is just flawed and never actually brings in the
Part.Constrained status of the JobMtl.PartNum' s - OR the display
filter code for the native grid control is flawed in some fundamental
way.
>
> Rob Brown
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/29/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@.. .> wrote:
>
> From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@.. .>
> Subject: [Vantage] Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling - Vantage
8.03.305K
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 9:45 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We want to use the constrained material flag and lead time value
within
> the MPF to control the initial scheduling dates of jobs. Our
business
> is very material orientated and there is no point scheduling jobs
if
> materials are unavailable. We plan to use this for "A" class and
> problem parts only. After setting the appropriate parameters and
> running MRP, the new unfirm job suggestions appear to
> take the specified raw material lead times into account, however
when
> we look at the detail tab within the job scheduling board, the
material
> constraints grid is blank. Does anyone know why this is ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Taylor
> Kingfield Electronics Limited
>
9
Until we purchased APS the constrained material checkbox was greyed out.
Once we turned on APS it became available.




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You don't need APS for the Constrained Material feature, however if
you are buying to jobs, your selection is overridden and everything
is considered constrained.

-Peter

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jpfinch1" <sway@...> wrote:
>
> I was lead to believe that the constrained material flag only works
> it you purchased the APS "Advanced Planning & Scheduling" module.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@>
> wrote:
> >
> > It doesn't work in 404B either (and, good riddance) - It's one of
> those nice sales pitch features that, in practical use, would be
much
> more trouble than any productive value it would add.
> >
> > Perhaps if Constrained was controlled at the PartPant (or better
> yet, PartWhse) level - rather than at the Part level (impacting all
> Plants), it would have some chance of being useful.
> >
> > Probably some out there have also found that it wreaks havoc with
> MRP and the Global Scheduler (which are Plant-centric).
> >
> > The view used in the application is a temp view that draws from
> several 'real' tables. I suspect the assembly method to construct
the
> view on the fly is just flawed and never actually brings in the
> Part.Constrained status of the JobMtl.PartNum's - OR the display
> filter code for the native grid control is flawed in some
fundamental
> way.
> >
> > Rob Brown
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/29/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@> wrote:
> >
> > From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling -
Vantage
> 8.03.305K
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 9:45 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We want to use the constrained material flag and lead time value
> within
> > the MPF to control the initial scheduling dates of jobs. Our
> business
> > is very material orientated and there is no point scheduling jobs
> if
> > materials are unavailable. We plan to use this for "A" class and
> > problem parts only. After setting the appropriate parameters and
> > running MRP, the new unfirm job suggestions appear to
> > take the specified raw material lead times into account, however
> when
> > we look at the detail tab within the job scheduling board, the
> material
> > constraints grid is blank. Does anyone know why this is ??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nick Taylor
> > Kingfield Electronics Limited
> >
>
10
The concept of having stronger buyers / planners and not building in
failure is definitely the right way to go. A significant part of our
ERP implementation process ( having moved away from home grown
software ) is the culture change that goes with the move to a new
system and a new way of doing things. This never really hits you
until along way into the implementation process, as you realise that
changing the system and not cultivating the people wont achieve
anything and will yield the same poor results as before but just on a
different platform.

I think we will use some lead time parameters for the really nasty
parts and leave everything else for the time being. At least that
will help with the initial scheduling process.

Thanks,

Nick Taylor
Kingfield Electronics Limited


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:
>
> We have APS and on 404 it is a useless function relative to simply
having skilled, experienced planners who don't need the system to do
what they do in the blink of an eye in their heads.
>
> It is a fundamentally flawed 'book' concept as there is (rarely) a
true fixed "lead time" for a part in the real world. That's why we
pay buyers and planners - to improve those lead times. Why any one
would want a system to codify them is beyond me.
>
> Rob
>
> --- On Fri, 5/30/08, jpfinch1 <sway@...> wrote:
>
> From: jpfinch1 <sway@...>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling -
Vantage 8.03.305K
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 9:46 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I was lead to believe that the constrained material flag only works
> it you purchased the APS "Advanced Planning & Scheduling" module.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > It doesn't work in 404B either (and, good riddance) - It's one of
> those nice sales pitch features that, in practical use, would be
much
> more trouble than any productive value it would add.
> >
> > Perhaps if Constrained was controlled at the PartPant (or better
> yet, PartWhse) level - rather than at the Part level (impacting all
> Plants), it would have some chance of being useful.
> >
> > Probably some out there have also found that it wreaks havoc with
> MRP and the Global Scheduler (which are Plant-centric) .
> >
> > The view used in the application is a temp view that draws from
> several 'real' tables. I suspect the assembly method to construct
the
> view on the fly is just flawed and never actually brings in the
> Part.Constrained status of the JobMtl.PartNum' s - OR the display
> filter code for the native grid control is flawed in some
fundamental
> way.
> >
> > Rob Brown
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/29/08, nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@ .> wrote:
> >
> > From: nmtaylor1969 <n.taylor@ .>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Constrained Materials & Job Scheduling -
Vantage
> 8.03.305K
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> > Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 9:45 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We want to use the constrained material flag and lead time value
> within
> > the MPF to control the initial scheduling dates of jobs. Our
> business
> > is very material orientated and there is no point scheduling jobs
> if
> > materials are unavailable. We plan to use this for "A" class and
> > problem parts only. After setting the appropriate parameters and
> > running MRP, the new unfirm job suggestions appear to
> > take the specified raw material lead times into account, however
> when
> > we look at the detail tab within the job scheduling board, the
> material
> > constraints grid is blank. Does anyone know why this is ??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nick Taylor
> > Kingfield Electronics Limited
> >
>