Advice on BOM Setup

Thank you Todd,

So at least I am not alone. It just seems like a lot of data collection
to ask the person starting the job to punch into 5 jobs and then back
out of the 5 when complete.

Time allocation...Now there is a whole other issue. We are just setting
up Data Collection now, and will eventually use it to track time, but at
this point the goal is as narrow as "let me see where the parts in WIP
are, we will talk about cost/time another day".

Thanks again Todd.



Aaron



-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 4:01 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advice on BOM Setup



Aaron,

You can run 5 jobs at the same time.

We frequently load -1- plate of steel - say 8 inches thick, 96x240
inches on
a flame cut table or a laser table. We will then cut a number of
different
parts for different customers from that one plate.

So - 5 jobs all using the same raw material. Start all five jobs, hit
go
on the machine, when the plate is done stop all 5 jobs. When complete
we
enter the number of parts completed for each job. It's not always what
you
want is what you get. The blankly blank machine sometimes eats a few
parts
along the way.

Of course this brings up how the total time is allocated to the 5 jobs
since
we may mix some small, quick running parts, with some large - slow
running
parts all on the same plate.

Say job 1 on its own takes 1 hr.
Jobs 2,3,4 each take 1.5 hrs to run.
Job 5 would normally take 4 hrs all by itself.

Total runtime ... 1 + 3*1.5 + 4 = 9.5 hrs

In Vantage those 9.5 hrs would be split 1/5 to each job.

Oh well, I gave up on getting Epicor to deal with that issue about 5
years
ago ....

Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:hoyt@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:34 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advice on BOM Setup


Thank you Todd,



The only problem would be in knowing the number of each material part
you have in inventory. After inspection, there may be 50 or 100 of a
given material part that is marked as bad within the single purchased
part.

The real trick I guess (and I don't know if I am explaining this right)
is that when the original part is issued, it will effectively start 5
jobs. The same machine will pick the parts off the original material
and put them together with the correct components to create the final
part. Is that one job yielding 5 final part numbers or 5 jobs running
simultaneously on the same machine? If it's 5 jobs, is there a way to
connect them together so they can be started together and ended
together?

I guess the only thing I can think of that might be similar in the
machine shop world would be having a press that punches out two
completely separate parts using the same tool.

Maybe there isn't a real clean way to handle this. Anybody else have a
single process that generates more than one unique widget?

I guess in an ideal world, we would be able to set up one job for a
process that results in 5 separate part numbers that can be stocked
separately. Sounds a bit like a BOM in reverse (maybe a BOY Bill of
Yield).

Thanks for the response Todd.



Aaron





-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:16 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advice on BOM Setup



Aaron,

Not sure if I'm reading this correctly but if so I'd ...

Setup 5 part numbers ... each of which use the same raw material ...

Purchase the 1 raw material part number and receive to stock as that
item
number

Then issue the inventory to each of the 5 parent item numbers ...

Would that work ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:hoyt@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Advice on BOM Setup


Ok group,



I doubt this is totally unique, but this is the situation.

We get in 1 Material with say 70,000 parts on it. 16,000 of one, 20,000
of another...it has 5 unique parts.

We use this material to create jobs for the end parts adding some
additional parts and processes.

My question is how do you set up the BOM to reflect this.

There are 5 separate finished part numbers that will draw parts from the
single material. My belief is we now order it as one part and stock it
as the 5 parts. This separation occurs as part of inspection, even
though there is still only one physical material.

Any suggestions?



Aaron Hoyt

Vantage System Admin

Hittite Microwave Corporation



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Ok group,



I doubt this is totally unique, but this is the situation.

We get in 1 Material with say 70,000 parts on it. 16,000 of one, 20,000
of another...it has 5 unique parts.

We use this material to create jobs for the end parts adding some
additional parts and processes.

My question is how do you set up the BOM to reflect this.

There are 5 separate finished part numbers that will draw parts from the
single material. My belief is we now order it as one part and stock it
as the 5 parts. This separation occurs as part of inspection, even
though there is still only one physical material.

Any suggestions?



Aaron Hoyt

Vantage System Admin

Hittite Microwave Corporation





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Aaron,

Not sure if I'm reading this correctly but if so I'd ...

Setup 5 part numbers ... each of which use the same raw material ...

Purchase the 1 raw material part number and receive to stock as that item
number

Then issue the inventory to each of the 5 parent item numbers ...

Would that work ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:hoyt@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Advice on BOM Setup


Ok group,



I doubt this is totally unique, but this is the situation.

We get in 1 Material with say 70,000 parts on it. 16,000 of one, 20,000
of another...it has 5 unique parts.

We use this material to create jobs for the end parts adding some
additional parts and processes.

My question is how do you set up the BOM to reflect this.

There are 5 separate finished part numbers that will draw parts from the
single material. My belief is we now order it as one part and stock it
as the 5 parts. This separation occurs as part of inspection, even
though there is still only one physical material.

Any suggestions?



Aaron Hoyt

Vantage System Admin

Hittite Microwave Corporation





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Thank you Todd,



The only problem would be in knowing the number of each material part
you have in inventory. After inspection, there may be 50 or 100 of a
given material part that is marked as bad within the single purchased
part.

The real trick I guess (and I don't know if I am explaining this right)
is that when the original part is issued, it will effectively start 5
jobs. The same machine will pick the parts off the original material
and put them together with the correct components to create the final
part. Is that one job yielding 5 final part numbers or 5 jobs running
simultaneously on the same machine? If it's 5 jobs, is there a way to
connect them together so they can be started together and ended
together?

I guess the only thing I can think of that might be similar in the
machine shop world would be having a press that punches out two
completely separate parts using the same tool.

Maybe there isn't a real clean way to handle this. Anybody else have a
single process that generates more than one unique widget?

I guess in an ideal world, we would be able to set up one job for a
process that results in 5 separate part numbers that can be stocked
separately. Sounds a bit like a BOM in reverse (maybe a BOY Bill of
Yield).

Thanks for the response Todd.



Aaron





-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:16 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advice on BOM Setup



Aaron,

Not sure if I'm reading this correctly but if so I'd ...

Setup 5 part numbers ... each of which use the same raw material ...

Purchase the 1 raw material part number and receive to stock as that
item
number

Then issue the inventory to each of the 5 parent item numbers ...

Would that work ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:hoyt@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Advice on BOM Setup


Ok group,



I doubt this is totally unique, but this is the situation.

We get in 1 Material with say 70,000 parts on it. 16,000 of one, 20,000
of another...it has 5 unique parts.

We use this material to create jobs for the end parts adding some
additional parts and processes.

My question is how do you set up the BOM to reflect this.

There are 5 separate finished part numbers that will draw parts from the
single material. My belief is we now order it as one part and stock it
as the 5 parts. This separation occurs as part of inspection, even
though there is still only one physical material.

Any suggestions?



Aaron Hoyt

Vantage System Admin

Hittite Microwave Corporation



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Aaron,

You can run 5 jobs at the same time.

We frequently load -1- plate of steel - say 8 inches thick, 96x240 inches on
a flame cut table or a laser table. We will then cut a number of different
parts for different customers from that one plate.

So - 5 jobs all using the same raw material. Start all five jobs, hit go
on the machine, when the plate is done stop all 5 jobs. When complete we
enter the number of parts completed for each job. It's not always what you
want is what you get. The blankly blank machine sometimes eats a few parts
along the way.

Of course this brings up how the total time is allocated to the 5 jobs since
we may mix some small, quick running parts, with some large - slow running
parts all on the same plate.

Say job 1 on its own takes 1 hr.
Jobs 2,3,4 each take 1.5 hrs to run.
Job 5 would normally take 4 hrs all by itself.

Total runtime ... 1 + 3*1.5 + 4 = 9.5 hrs

In Vantage those 9.5 hrs would be split 1/5 to each job.

Oh well, I gave up on getting Epicor to deal with that issue about 5 years
ago ....

Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:hoyt@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:34 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advice on BOM Setup


Thank you Todd,



The only problem would be in knowing the number of each material part
you have in inventory. After inspection, there may be 50 or 100 of a
given material part that is marked as bad within the single purchased
part.

The real trick I guess (and I don't know if I am explaining this right)
is that when the original part is issued, it will effectively start 5
jobs. The same machine will pick the parts off the original material
and put them together with the correct components to create the final
part. Is that one job yielding 5 final part numbers or 5 jobs running
simultaneously on the same machine? If it's 5 jobs, is there a way to
connect them together so they can be started together and ended
together?

I guess the only thing I can think of that might be similar in the
machine shop world would be having a press that punches out two
completely separate parts using the same tool.

Maybe there isn't a real clean way to handle this. Anybody else have a
single process that generates more than one unique widget?

I guess in an ideal world, we would be able to set up one job for a
process that results in 5 separate part numbers that can be stocked
separately. Sounds a bit like a BOM in reverse (maybe a BOY Bill of
Yield).

Thanks for the response Todd.



Aaron





-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:16 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Advice on BOM Setup



Aaron,

Not sure if I'm reading this correctly but if so I'd ...

Setup 5 part numbers ... each of which use the same raw material ...

Purchase the 1 raw material part number and receive to stock as that
item
number

Then issue the inventory to each of the 5 parent item numbers ...

Would that work ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hoyt [mailto:hoyt@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Advice on BOM Setup


Ok group,



I doubt this is totally unique, but this is the situation.

We get in 1 Material with say 70,000 parts on it. 16,000 of one, 20,000
of another...it has 5 unique parts.

We use this material to create jobs for the end parts adding some
additional parts and processes.

My question is how do you set up the BOM to reflect this.

There are 5 separate finished part numbers that will draw parts from the
single material. My belief is we now order it as one part and stock it
as the 5 parts. This separation occurs as part of inspection, even
though there is still only one physical material.

Any suggestions?



Aaron Hoyt

Vantage System Admin

Hittite Microwave Corporation



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