Calculation of remaining hours in Scheduling board

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1
Thank you all for shining some light on this issue!

The moment I replaced "burden hours" with "productive hours"
it was clear to me!

Because we schedule/use persons and machines as separate entities.
"machine hours" were confusing.
It makes sense that persons have more productive hours (burden) than
laborhours depending on their function in a workshop.

The remark "crew size=1" is appliable to our situation and we use
this.
The only thing i had to do is to equal burden to labor and it al
comes together.



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "saab_barracuda" <chris.clunn@...>
wrote:
>
> It's the same with the labor on the Production Detail Report. The
> labor estimates and actuals (from JobOper) are based on burden
> (machine) hours. It makes sense scheduling would look at burden
hours
> instead of labor hours. The focus is on the contrained resources
> (machines) and the labor is calculated to whatever is required to
> operate those machines.
>
> You need to have a resource setup as the primary operation detail in
> each Operation setup and not just a resource group. It needs the
> resource so that it can calculate the burden (machine) time. If
there
> is no machine, it won't calculate the actual burden hours properly.
>
> If I understand your situation correctly, you need the burden hours
to
> directly correspond with labor hours. Consider checking
the "burden =
> labor" box and set Crew Size=1 in the Resource Group/Resource setup
so
> the burden hours will calculate one for one with labor hours. This
> way your actual burden hours should match up with your
EstProdHours.
> And since your burden is included in labor rate, set the burden rate
> to zero and your costs should come out okay as well.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "fonsvanderbeek" <fons.vanderbeek@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Vantage 8.03 Progress database
> >
> > We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that is
spent
> > on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't
use "burdenhours"
> > and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter problems
in
> > the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are
taken
> > into account for calculating the remaining hours.
> >
> > I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job scheduling
> > board"
> > on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there is a
> > field "Remaining hours"
> >
> > The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated hours
based
> > on LABORHOURS
> >
> > BUT
> >
> > The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN
hours
> > ("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
> > use "Burden Hours"...........
> >
> > The load relieve is based on Hours
> > (company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules ->
> > production -> job -> load relieved by hours)
> >
> > We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical to
> > fill a database with identical entries. We planned to use "burden
> > hours" for overtime in future
> >
> > My questions are:
> > Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
> > What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"? VS "Labor
> > Hours"?
> > Does a setting exist that is needed for a different calculation
> > of "Remaining Hours"?
> >
>
2
Vantage 8.03 Progress database

We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that is spent
on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't use "burdenhours"
and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter problems in
the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are taken
into account for calculating the remaining hours.

I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job scheduling
board"
on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there is a
field "Remaining hours"

The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated hours based
on LABORHOURS

BUT

The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN hours
("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
use "Burden Hours"...........

The load relieve is based on Hours
(company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules ->
production -> job -> load relieved by hours)

We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical to
fill a database with identical entries. We planned to use "burden
hours" for overtime in future

My questions are:
Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"? VS "Labor
Hours"?
Does a setting exist that is needed for a different calculation
of "Remaining Hours"?
3
The way I understand the system to work, Labor Hours are hours an
employee spends on a job, Burden hours are the hours the machine spends
on the job. Often, Burden hours will be equal to labor hours. We also
have cases where an employee runs 2 machines for a day, so each job
accumulates 1/2 the day of labor hours/costs and a full day of burden
hours/costs. Burden hours would only be 0 if an employee is on an
indirect operation. I believe hours are estimated by total number of
production hours needed, so it makes sense that they would get relieved
by burden hours since those are the actual production hours applied to
the job.

Are you using data collection? I'm just wondering how you are setting
burden hours = 0 on every transaction. I thought by default for hours
put on jobs it would at least equal the labor hours applied?



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of fonsvanderbeek
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:31 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Calculation of remaining hours in Scheduling board

Vantage 8.03 Progress database

We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that is spent
on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't use "burdenhours"
and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter problems in
the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are taken
into account for calculating the remaining hours.

I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job scheduling
board"
on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there is a
field "Remaining hours"

The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated hours based
on LABORHOURS

BUT

The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN hours
("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
use "Burden Hours"...........

The load relieve is based on Hours
(company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules ->
production -> job -> load relieved by hours)

We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical to
fill a database with identical entries. We planned to use "burden
hours" for overtime in future

My questions are:
Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"? VS "Labor
Hours"?
Does a setting exist that is needed for a different calculation
of "Remaining Hours"?








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We manual set the burden hours to zero and yes, we were also told
that burden hours can be used as machine hours, but we have a number
of machines which run unattended, therefor we treat a machine as a
jobemployee by using just one field entry "labor", entry of hours is
straight forward.

futhermore by using "labor hours" job overview and calculation made
most sense.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@...> wrote:
>
> The way I understand the system to work, Labor Hours are hours an
> employee spends on a job, Burden hours are the hours the machine
spends
> on the job. Often, Burden hours will be equal to labor hours. We
also
> have cases where an employee runs 2 machines for a day, so each job
> accumulates 1/2 the day of labor hours/costs and a full day of
burden
> hours/costs. Burden hours would only be 0 if an employee is on an
> indirect operation. I believe hours are estimated by total number
of
> production hours needed, so it makes sense that they would get
relieved
> by burden hours since those are the actual production hours applied
to
> the job.
>
> Are you using data collection? I'm just wondering how you are
setting
> burden hours = 0 on every transaction. I thought by default for
hours
> put on jobs it would at least equal the labor hours applied?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of fonsvanderbeek
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:31 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Calculation of remaining hours in Scheduling
board
>
> Vantage 8.03 Progress database
>
> We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that is
spent
> on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't use "burdenhours"
> and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter problems in
> the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are taken
> into account for calculating the remaining hours.
>
> I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job scheduling
> board"
> on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there is a
> field "Remaining hours"
>
> The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated hours
based
> on LABORHOURS
>
> BUT
>
> The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN hours
> ("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
> use "Burden Hours"...........
>
> The load relieve is based on Hours
> (company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules ->
> production -> job -> load relieved by hours)
>
> We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical to
> fill a database with identical entries. We planned to use "burden
> hours" for overtime in future
>
> My questions are:
> Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
> What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"? VS "Labor
> Hours"?
> Does a setting exist that is needed for a different calculation
> of "Remaining Hours"?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Then it sounds like for it to work you will need to use the fields as
they were intended and burden hours will need to be used to accumulate
job hours and relieve load.


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of fonsvanderbeek
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:57 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Calculation of remaining hours in Scheduling
board

We manual set the burden hours to zero and yes, we were also told
that burden hours can be used as machine hours, but we have a number
of machines which run unattended, therefor we treat a machine as a
jobemployee by using just one field entry "labor", entry of hours is
straight forward.

futhermore by using "labor hours" job overview and calculation made
most sense.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@...> wrote:
>
> The way I understand the system to work, Labor Hours are hours an
> employee spends on a job, Burden hours are the hours the machine
spends
> on the job. Often, Burden hours will be equal to labor hours. We
also
> have cases where an employee runs 2 machines for a day, so each job
> accumulates 1/2 the day of labor hours/costs and a full day of
burden
> hours/costs. Burden hours would only be 0 if an employee is on an
> indirect operation. I believe hours are estimated by total number
of
> production hours needed, so it makes sense that they would get
relieved
> by burden hours since those are the actual production hours applied
to
> the job.
>
> Are you using data collection? I'm just wondering how you are
setting
> burden hours = 0 on every transaction. I thought by default for
hours
> put on jobs it would at least equal the labor hours applied?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of fonsvanderbeek
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:31 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Calculation of remaining hours in Scheduling
board
>
> Vantage 8.03 Progress database
>
> We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that is
spent
> on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't use "burdenhours"
> and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter problems in
> the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are taken
> into account for calculating the remaining hours.
>
> I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job scheduling
> board"
> on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there is a
> field "Remaining hours"
>
> The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated hours
based
> on LABORHOURS
>
> BUT
>
> The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN hours
> ("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
> use "Burden Hours"...........
>
> The load relieve is based on Hours
> (company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules ->
> production -> job -> load relieved by hours)
>
> We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical to
> fill a database with identical entries. We planned to use "burden
> hours" for overtime in future
>
> My questions are:
> Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
> What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"? VS "Labor
> Hours"?
> Does a setting exist that is needed for a different calculation
> of "Remaining Hours"?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I agree with you, this would be pragmatic but........

it stil puzzles me why in the scheduling board one field is based
on the expected laborhours (estimated hours) and the counterpart
(remaining hours) is based on burdenhours.......

The estimated hours is purely based on labor, not on burden...
Did somebody notice this also?


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@...> wrote:
>
> Then it sounds like for it to work you will need to use the fields
as
> they were intended and burden hours will need to be used to
accumulate
> job hours and relieve load.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of fonsvanderbeek
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:57 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Calculation of remaining hours in Scheduling
> board
>
> We manual set the burden hours to zero and yes, we were also told
> that burden hours can be used as machine hours, but we have a
number
> of machines which run unattended, therefor we treat a machine as a
> jobemployee by using just one field entry "labor", entry of hours
is
> straight forward.
>
> futhermore by using "labor hours" job overview and calculation made
> most sense.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
> >
> > The way I understand the system to work, Labor Hours are hours an
> > employee spends on a job, Burden hours are the hours the machine
> spends
> > on the job. Often, Burden hours will be equal to labor hours. We
> also
> > have cases where an employee runs 2 machines for a day, so each
job
> > accumulates 1/2 the day of labor hours/costs and a full day of
> burden
> > hours/costs. Burden hours would only be 0 if an employee is on an
> > indirect operation. I believe hours are estimated by total
number
> of
> > production hours needed, so it makes sense that they would get
> relieved
> > by burden hours since those are the actual production hours
applied
> to
> > the job.
> >
> > Are you using data collection? I'm just wondering how you are
> setting
> > burden hours = 0 on every transaction. I thought by default for
> hours
> > put on jobs it would at least equal the labor hours applied?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of fonsvanderbeek
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:31 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Calculation of remaining hours in Scheduling
> board
> >
> > Vantage 8.03 Progress database
> >
> > We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that is
> spent
> > on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't
use "burdenhours"
> > and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter problems
in
> > the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are
taken
> > into account for calculating the remaining hours.
> >
> > I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job scheduling
> > board"
> > on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there is a
> > field "Remaining hours"
> >
> > The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated hours
> based
> > on LABORHOURS
> >
> > BUT
> >
> > The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN
hours
> > ("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
> > use "Burden Hours"...........
> >
> > The load relieve is based on Hours
> > (company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules ->
> > production -> job -> load relieved by hours)
> >
> > We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical to
> > fill a database with identical entries. We planned to use "burden
> > hours" for overtime in future
> >
> > My questions are:
> > Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
> > What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"? VS "Labor
> > Hours"?
> > Does a setting exist that is needed for a different calculation
> > of "Remaining Hours"?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Yes. We include burden in our labor rate; hence, we set burden rate
to zero. Side note: Go look at the project tracker, more tab,
summary, project. Do you find anything funny looking with labor,
burden hours, and total hours?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "fonsvanderbeek"
<fons.vanderbeek@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you, this would be pragmatic but........
>
> it stil puzzles me why in the scheduling board one field is based
> on the expected laborhours (estimated hours) and the counterpart
> (remaining hours) is based on burdenhours.......
>
> The estimated hours is purely based on labor, not on burden...
> Did somebody notice this also?
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
> >
> > Then it sounds like for it to work you will need to use the
fields
> as
> > they were intended and burden hours will need to be used to
> accumulate
> > job hours and relieve load.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf
> > Of fonsvanderbeek
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:57 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Calculation of remaining hours in
Scheduling
> > board
> >
> > We manual set the burden hours to zero and yes, we were also
told
> > that burden hours can be used as machine hours, but we have a
> number
> > of machines which run unattended, therefor we treat a machine as
a
> > jobemployee by using just one field entry "labor", entry of
hours
> is
> > straight forward.
> >
> > futhermore by using "labor hours" job overview and calculation
made
> > most sense.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The way I understand the system to work, Labor Hours are hours
an
> > > employee spends on a job, Burden hours are the hours the
machine
> > spends
> > > on the job. Often, Burden hours will be equal to labor hours.
We
> > also
> > > have cases where an employee runs 2 machines for a day, so
each
> job
> > > accumulates 1/2 the day of labor hours/costs and a full day of
> > burden
> > > hours/costs. Burden hours would only be 0 if an employee is on
an
> > > indirect operation. I believe hours are estimated by total
> number
> > of
> > > production hours needed, so it makes sense that they would get
> > relieved
> > > by burden hours since those are the actual production hours
> applied
> > to
> > > the job.
> > >
> > > Are you using data collection? I'm just wondering how you are
> > setting
> > > burden hours = 0 on every transaction. I thought by default
for
> > hours
> > > put on jobs it would at least equal the labor hours applied?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On
> > Behalf
> > > Of fonsvanderbeek
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:31 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Calculation of remaining hours in
Scheduling
> > board
> > >
> > > Vantage 8.03 Progress database
> > >
> > > We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that
is
> > spent
> > > on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't
> use "burdenhours"
> > > and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter
problems
> in
> > > the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are
> taken
> > > into account for calculating the remaining hours.
> > >
> > > I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job
scheduling
> > > board"
> > > on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there
is a
> > > field "Remaining hours"
> > >
> > > The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated
hours
> > based
> > > on LABORHOURS
> > >
> > > BUT
> > >
> > > The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN
> hours
> > > ("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
> > > use "Burden Hours"...........
> > >
> > > The load relieve is based on Hours
> > > (company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules -
>
> > > production -> job -> load relieved by hours)
> > >
> > > We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical
to
> > > fill a database with identical entries. We planned to
use "burden
> > > hours" for overtime in future
> > >
> > > My questions are:
> > > Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
> > > What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"?
VS "Labor
> > > Hours"?
> > > Does a setting exist that is needed for a different
calculation
> > > of "Remaining Hours"?
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8
If you split labor (employee running 2 machines) you would want 1/2 the
employee labor charged to the job yet the job schedule relieved by the
full shift (burden hours).



Patrick J. Winter



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of mustardbuzzards
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [Vantage] Re: Calculation of remaining hours in
Scheduling board



Yes. We include burden in our labor rate; hence, we set burden rate
to zero. Side note: Go look at the project tracker, more tab,
summary, project. Do you find anything funny looking with labor,
burden hours, and total hours?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fonsvanderbeek"
<fons.vanderbeek@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you, this would be pragmatic but........
>
> it stil puzzles me why in the scheduling board one field is based
> on the expected laborhours (estimated hours) and the counterpart
> (remaining hours) is based on burdenhours.......
>
> The estimated hours is purely based on labor, not on burden...
> Did somebody notice this also?
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
<sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
> >
> > Then it sounds like for it to work you will need to use the
fields
> as
> > they were intended and burden hours will need to be used to
> accumulate
> > job hours and relieve load.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
> Behalf
> > Of fonsvanderbeek
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:57 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Calculation of remaining hours in
Scheduling
> > board
> >
> > We manual set the burden hours to zero and yes, we were also
told
> > that burden hours can be used as machine hours, but we have a
> number
> > of machines which run unattended, therefor we treat a machine as
a
> > jobemployee by using just one field entry "labor", entry of
hours
> is
> > straight forward.
> >
> > futhermore by using "labor hours" job overview and calculation
made
> > most sense.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
<sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The way I understand the system to work, Labor Hours are hours
an
> > > employee spends on a job, Burden hours are the hours the
machine
> > spends
> > > on the job. Often, Burden hours will be equal to labor hours.
We
> > also
> > > have cases where an employee runs 2 machines for a day, so
each
> job
> > > accumulates 1/2 the day of labor hours/costs and a full day of
> > burden
> > > hours/costs. Burden hours would only be 0 if an employee is on
an
> > > indirect operation. I believe hours are estimated by total
> number
> > of
> > > production hours needed, so it makes sense that they would get
> > relieved
> > > by burden hours since those are the actual production hours
> applied
> > to
> > > the job.
> > >
> > > Are you using data collection? I'm just wondering how you are
> > setting
> > > burden hours = 0 on every transaction. I thought by default
for
> > hours
> > > put on jobs it would at least equal the labor hours applied?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
> > Behalf
> > > Of fonsvanderbeek
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:31 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Calculation of remaining hours in
Scheduling
> > board
> > >
> > > Vantage 8.03 Progress database
> > >
> > > We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that
is
> > spent
> > > on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't
> use "burdenhours"
> > > and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter
problems
> in
> > > the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are
> taken
> > > into account for calculating the remaining hours.
> > >
> > > I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job
scheduling
> > > board"
> > > on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there
is a
> > > field "Remaining hours"
> > >
> > > The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated
hours
> > based
> > > on LABORHOURS
> > >
> > > BUT
> > >
> > > The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN
> hours
> > > ("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
> > > use "Burden Hours"...........
> > >
> > > The load relieve is based on Hours
> > > (company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules -
>
> > > production -> job -> load relieved by hours)
> > >
> > > We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical
to
> > > fill a database with identical entries. We planned to
use "burden
> > > hours" for overtime in future
> > >
> > > My questions are:
> > > Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
> > > What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"?
VS "Labor
> > > Hours"?
> > > Does a setting exist that is needed for a different
calculation
> > > of "Remaining Hours"?
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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The estimated is not based on labor hours, at least not here, it is
based on machine hours (Production hours) which is equivalent to burden
hours.

-----Original Message-----
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Of fonsvanderbeek
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:51 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Calculation of remaining hours in Scheduling
board

I agree with you, this would be pragmatic but........

it stil puzzles me why in the scheduling board one field is based
on the expected laborhours (estimated hours) and the counterpart
(remaining hours) is based on burdenhours.......

The estimated hours is purely based on labor, not on burden...
Did somebody notice this also?


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@...> wrote:
>
> Then it sounds like for it to work you will need to use the fields
as
> they were intended and burden hours will need to be used to
accumulate
> job hours and relieve load.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of fonsvanderbeek
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:57 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Calculation of remaining hours in Scheduling
> board
>
> We manual set the burden hours to zero and yes, we were also told
> that burden hours can be used as machine hours, but we have a
number
> of machines which run unattended, therefor we treat a machine as a
> jobemployee by using just one field entry "labor", entry of hours
is
> straight forward.
>
> futhermore by using "labor hours" job overview and calculation made
> most sense.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
> >
> > The way I understand the system to work, Labor Hours are hours an
> > employee spends on a job, Burden hours are the hours the machine
> spends
> > on the job. Often, Burden hours will be equal to labor hours. We
> also
> > have cases where an employee runs 2 machines for a day, so each
job
> > accumulates 1/2 the day of labor hours/costs and a full day of
> burden
> > hours/costs. Burden hours would only be 0 if an employee is on an
> > indirect operation. I believe hours are estimated by total
number
> of
> > production hours needed, so it makes sense that they would get
> relieved
> > by burden hours since those are the actual production hours
applied
> to
> > the job.
> >
> > Are you using data collection? I'm just wondering how you are
> setting
> > burden hours = 0 on every transaction. I thought by default for
> hours
> > put on jobs it would at least equal the labor hours applied?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of fonsvanderbeek
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:31 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Calculation of remaining hours in Scheduling
> board
> >
> > Vantage 8.03 Progress database
> >
> > We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that is
> spent
> > on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't
use "burdenhours"
> > and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter problems
in
> > the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are
taken
> > into account for calculating the remaining hours.
> >
> > I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job scheduling
> > board"
> > on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there is a
> > field "Remaining hours"
> >
> > The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated hours
> based
> > on LABORHOURS
> >
> > BUT
> >
> > The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN
hours
> > ("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
> > use "Burden Hours"...........
> >
> > The load relieve is based on Hours
> > (company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules ->
> > production -> job -> load relieved by hours)
> >
> > We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical to
> > fill a database with identical entries. We planned to use "burden
> > hours" for overtime in future
> >
> > My questions are:
> > Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
> > What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"? VS "Labor
> > Hours"?
> > Does a setting exist that is needed for a different calculation
> > of "Remaining Hours"?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> must
> > have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
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Yes you are right
The total of burden is the same as the total of labor but actual burden = 0
This is as expected because we always set burdenhours to zero

Let me put it this way:

"Burden hours are production hours made by machine or human"
The actual costs are based on laborrate*laborhours + burdenrate*burdenhours
if burdenrate = zero
costs of production (e.g. maintenance costs/ rental of machines) should
be included in the overall laborrate of that specific department
If the laborrate is based on deparment.........

mustardbuzzards schreef:
> Yes. We include burden in our labor rate; hence, we set burden rate
> to zero. Side note: Go look at the project tracker, more tab,
> summary, project. Do you find anything funny looking with labor,
> burden hours, and total hours?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "fonsvanderbeek"
> <fons.vanderbeek@...> wrote:
>
>> I agree with you, this would be pragmatic but........
>>
>> it stil puzzles me why in the scheduling board one field is based
>> on the expected laborhours (estimated hours) and the counterpart
>> (remaining hours) is based on burdenhours.......
>>
>> The estimated hours is purely based on labor, not on burden...
>> Did somebody notice this also?
>>
>>
>> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
>>
>>> Then it sounds like for it to work you will need to use the
>>>
> fields
>
>> as
>>
>>> they were intended and burden hours will need to be used to
>>>
>> accumulate
>>
>>> job hours and relieve load.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
>>>
> On
>
>> Behalf
>>
>>> Of fonsvanderbeek
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:57 PM
>>> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Calculation of remaining hours in
>>>
> Scheduling
>
>>> board
>>>
>>> We manual set the burden hours to zero and yes, we were also
>>>
> told
>
>>> that burden hours can be used as machine hours, but we have a
>>>
>> number
>>
>>> of machines which run unattended, therefor we treat a machine as
>>>
> a
>
>>> jobemployee by using just one field entry "labor", entry of
>>>
> hours
>
>> is
>>
>>> straight forward.
>>>
>>> futhermore by using "labor hours" job overview and calculation
>>>
> made
>
>>> most sense.
>>>
>>> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The way I understand the system to work, Labor Hours are hours
>>>>
> an
>
>>>> employee spends on a job, Burden hours are the hours the
>>>>
> machine
>
>>> spends
>>>
>>>> on the job. Often, Burden hours will be equal to labor hours.
>>>>
> We
>
>>> also
>>>
>>>> have cases where an employee runs 2 machines for a day, so
>>>>
> each
>
>> job
>>
>>>> accumulates 1/2 the day of labor hours/costs and a full day of
>>>>
>>> burden
>>>
>>>> hours/costs. Burden hours would only be 0 if an employee is on
>>>>
> an
>
>>>> indirect operation. I believe hours are estimated by total
>>>>
>> number
>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> production hours needed, so it makes sense that they would get
>>>>
>>> relieved
>>>
>>>> by burden hours since those are the actual production hours
>>>>
>> applied
>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> the job.
>>>>
>>>> Are you using data collection? I'm just wondering how you are
>>>>
>>> setting
>>>
>>>> burden hours = 0 on every transaction. I thought by default
>>>>
> for
>
>>> hours
>>>
>>>> put on jobs it would at least equal the labor hours applied?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
>>>>
> On
>
>>> Behalf
>>>
>>>> Of fonsvanderbeek
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:31 PM
>>>> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: [Vantage] Calculation of remaining hours in
>>>>
> Scheduling
>
>>> board
>>>
>>>> Vantage 8.03 Progress database
>>>>
>>>> We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that
>>>>
> is
>
>>> spent
>>>
>>>> on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't
>>>>
>> use "burdenhours"
>>
>>>> and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter
>>>>
> problems
>
>> in
>>
>>>> the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are
>>>>
>> taken
>>
>>>> into account for calculating the remaining hours.
>>>>
>>>> I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job
>>>>
> scheduling
>
>>>> board"
>>>> on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there
>>>>
> is a
>
>>>> field "Remaining hours"
>>>>
>>>> The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated
>>>>
> hours
>
>>> based
>>>
>>>> on LABORHOURS
>>>>
>>>> BUT
>>>>
>>>> The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN
>>>>
>> hours
>>
>>>> ("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
>>>> use "Burden Hours"...........
>>>>
>>>> The load relieve is based on Hours
>>>> (company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules -
>>>>
>>>> production -> job -> load relieved by hours)
>>>>
>>>> We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical
>>>>
> to
>
>>>> fill a database with identical entries. We planned to
>>>>
> use "burden
>
>>>> hours" for overtime in future
>>>>
>>>> My questions are:
>>>> Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
>>>> What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"?
>>>>
> VS "Labor
>
>>>> Hours"?
>>>> Does a setting exist that is needed for a different
>>>>
> calculation
>
>>>> of "Remaining Hours"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note:
>>>>
> You
>
>>> must
>>>
>>>> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
>>>>
>>> access. )
>>>
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>>>>
>>> Builder
>>>
>>>> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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>>>>
> goto:
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11
You are right... it's clear now



Winter, Patrick schreef:
> If you split labor (employee running 2 machines) you would want 1/2 the
> employee labor charged to the job yet the job schedule relieved by the
> full shift (burden hours).
>
>
>
> Patrick J. Winter
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of mustardbuzzards
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:59 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SPAM] [Vantage] Re: Calculation of remaining hours in
> Scheduling board
>
>
>
> Yes. We include burden in our labor rate; hence, we set burden rate
> to zero. Side note: Go look at the project tracker, more tab,
> summary, project. Do you find anything funny looking with labor,
> burden hours, and total hours?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "fonsvanderbeek"
> <fons.vanderbeek@...> wrote:
>
>> I agree with you, this would be pragmatic but........
>>
>> it stil puzzles me why in the scheduling board one field is based
>> on the expected laborhours (estimated hours) and the counterpart
>> (remaining hours) is based on burdenhours.......
>>
>> The estimated hours is purely based on labor, not on burden...
>> Did somebody notice this also?
>>
>>
>> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>>
> <sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
>
>>> Then it sounds like for it to work you will need to use the
>>>
> fields
>
>> as
>>
>>> they were intended and burden hours will need to be used to
>>>
>> accumulate
>>
>>> job hours and relieve load.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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> On
>
>> Behalf
>>
>>> Of fonsvanderbeek
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:57 PM
>>> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Calculation of remaining hours in
>>>
> Scheduling
>
>>> board
>>>
>>> We manual set the burden hours to zero and yes, we were also
>>>
> told
>
>>> that burden hours can be used as machine hours, but we have a
>>>
>> number
>>
>>> of machines which run unattended, therefor we treat a machine as
>>>
> a
>
>>> jobemployee by using just one field entry "labor", entry of
>>>
> hours
>
>> is
>>
>>> straight forward.
>>>
>>> futhermore by using "labor hours" job overview and calculation
>>>
> made
>
>>> most sense.
>>>
>>> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>>>
> <sarah.vareschi@> wrote:
>
>>>> The way I understand the system to work, Labor Hours are hours
>>>>
> an
>
>>>> employee spends on a job, Burden hours are the hours the
>>>>
> machine
>
>>> spends
>>>
>>>> on the job. Often, Burden hours will be equal to labor hours.
>>>>
> We
>
>>> also
>>>
>>>> have cases where an employee runs 2 machines for a day, so
>>>>
> each
>
>> job
>>
>>>> accumulates 1/2 the day of labor hours/costs and a full day of
>>>>
>>> burden
>>>
>>>> hours/costs. Burden hours would only be 0 if an employee is on
>>>>
> an
>
>>>> indirect operation. I believe hours are estimated by total
>>>>
>> number
>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> production hours needed, so it makes sense that they would get
>>>>
>>> relieved
>>>
>>>> by burden hours since those are the actual production hours
>>>>
>> applied
>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> the job.
>>>>
>>>> Are you using data collection? I'm just wondering how you are
>>>>
>>> setting
>>>
>>>> burden hours = 0 on every transaction. I thought by default
>>>>
> for
>
>>> hours
>>>
>>>> put on jobs it would at least equal the labor hours applied?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>>
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>
>>> Behalf
>>>
>>>> Of fonsvanderbeek
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:31 PM
>>>> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Subject: [Vantage] Calculation of remaining hours in
>>>>
> Scheduling
>
>>> board
>>>
>>>> Vantage 8.03 Progress database
>>>>
>>>> We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that
>>>>
> is
>
>>> spent
>>>
>>>> on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't
>>>>
>> use "burdenhours"
>>
>>>> and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter
>>>>
> problems
>
>> in
>>
>>>> the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are
>>>>
>> taken
>>
>>>> into account for calculating the remaining hours.
>>>>
>>>> I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job
>>>>
> scheduling
>
>>>> board"
>>>> on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there
>>>>
> is a
>
>>>> field "Remaining hours"
>>>>
>>>> The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated
>>>>
> hours
>
>>> based
>>>
>>>> on LABORHOURS
>>>>
>>>> BUT
>>>>
>>>> The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN
>>>>
>> hours
>>
>>>> ("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
>>>> use "Burden Hours"...........
>>>>
>>>> The load relieve is based on Hours
>>>> (company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules -
>>>>
>>>> production -> job -> load relieved by hours)
>>>>
>>>> We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical
>>>>
> to
>
>>>> fill a database with identical entries. We planned to
>>>>
> use "burden
>
>>>> hours" for overtime in future
>>>>
>>>> My questions are:
>>>> Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
>>>> What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"?
>>>>
> VS "Labor
>
>>>> Hours"?
>>>> Does a setting exist that is needed for a different
>>>>
> calculation
>
>>>> of "Remaining Hours"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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It's the same with the labor on the Production Detail Report. The
labor estimates and actuals (from JobOper) are based on burden
(machine) hours. It makes sense scheduling would look at burden hours
instead of labor hours. The focus is on the contrained resources
(machines) and the labor is calculated to whatever is required to
operate those machines.

You need to have a resource setup as the primary operation detail in
each Operation setup and not just a resource group. It needs the
resource so that it can calculate the burden (machine) time. If there
is no machine, it won't calculate the actual burden hours properly.

If I understand your situation correctly, you need the burden hours to
directly correspond with labor hours. Consider checking the "burden =
labor" box and set Crew Size=1 in the Resource Group/Resource setup so
the burden hours will calculate one for one with labor hours. This
way your actual burden hours should match up with your EstProdHours.
And since your burden is included in labor rate, set the burden rate
to zero and your costs should come out okay as well.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "fonsvanderbeek" <fons.vanderbeek@...>
wrote:
>
> Vantage 8.03 Progress database
>
> We have setup our installation in a way that every hour that is spent
> on a project is entered in "laborhours", we don't use "burdenhours"
> and leave this field empty (zero) but now we encounter problems in
> the Job scheduling board. It seems that only burdenhours are taken
> into account for calculating the remaining hours.
>
> I don't get it: When I look at the Details in "The job scheduling
> board"
> on the left there is a field "Est Hours", on the right there is a
> field "Remaining hours"
>
> The Field "Est Hours" contains the total of the estimated hours based
> on LABORHOURS
>
> BUT
>
> The Field "Remaining hours" depends on entry based on BURDEN hours
> ("Est Hours" minus the total of all burdenhours), but we dont
> use "Burden Hours"...........
>
> The load relieve is based on Hours
> (company maintenance->company->company configuration->modules ->
> production -> job -> load relieved by hours)
>
> We dont use "labor=burden" setting because it seemed unlogical to
> fill a database with identical entries. We planned to use "burden
> hours" for overtime in future
>
> My questions are:
> Do we have to use "Burden Hours"?
> What is the exact definition and use of "Burden hours"? VS "Labor
> Hours"?
> Does a setting exist that is needed for a different calculation
> of "Remaining Hours"?
>