Data Collection & Citrix

We are on Vantage 5.1 and we have 19 touch screens. When Vantage was first
purchased someone made the decision to use PC's. They have been nothing but
trouble. I think mainly due to the dirty environment and the spikes in
power we constantly have on the mfg floor.

About 3 months ago we started buying thin clients from Televideo. They make
great products. We use their all in one unit. Its a 15" LCD Flat panel
with a Windows CE integrated thin client. Its a very nice unit. It uses
standard VESA mounting brackets. We have hung them on walls and polls
without keyboards or mice and we have had not trouble at all out of them.
The cost for the thin clients with integrated 15" LCD Flat panel is around
$1,200.00. For the stand alone thin clients I think the cost is right at
$300.00.

We only run Terminal Services. I really couldn't every find a reason to run
Citrix. The cost for a Windows 2000 Terminal Services call is around
$79.00. If you run Terminal Services on a Windows 2000 or Windows XP client
then you dont have to purchase this CAL. If your run Windows 9X, NT 4.0 or
ME as the client then you need to purchase this CAL. Microsoft includes an
ActiveX control for use on the web as well as a ready to us ASP document.
Took us about 15 minutes to get Terminal Services running via our web site.

If you have any other questions just ask.
Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation



-----Original Message-----
From: Doris Franco [mailto:dfranco@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:36 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix




We are getting ready to upgrade to 5.1. Along with that we'll be
installing the new Vantage module Advance Material Management which
requires us to start using Data Collection. We have been considering Data
Collection for years, so this is a good opportunity.

Our challenge is whether to buy 10 new PC's for the floor or to get
a Citrix box that will also get us remote access. We have 16 old PC's from
our last upgrade.

I would like to hear from any of you who use Data collection with or
without Citrix. If you use Citrix or any other similar solution, what were
the considerations for the decision.


Doris Franco







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We are getting ready to upgrade to 5.1. Along with that we'll be
installing the new Vantage module Advance Material Management which
requires us to start using Data Collection. We have been considering Data
Collection for years, so this is a good opportunity.

Our challenge is whether to buy 10 new PC's for the floor or to get
a Citrix box that will also get us remote access. We have 16 old PC's from
our last upgrade.

I would like to hear from any of you who use Data collection with or
without Citrix. If you use Citrix or any other similar solution, what were
the considerations for the decision.


Doris Franco
IMHO - PCs are cheap, easier to integrate with Vantage and based on a lot of
messages here much easier to deal with. They also have multiple uses such
as allow display of work instructions or procedures and quality manuals.
Securing the BIOS, disabling the floppy drive and having no CD makes them
secure enough for a shop floor. Downside is license costs for the OS. We
have been very happy using cheap (almost disposable) PCs. The shop floor is
the place where all our oldest PCs end up as new one as added. I've not
personally used Citrix but have been considering it for remote access so
getting "double duty" from it might be enough reason to use it for DC too.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Doris Franco [mailto:dfranco@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:36 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix




We are getting ready to upgrade to 5.1. Along with that we'll be
installing the new Vantage module Advance Material Management which
requires us to start using Data Collection. We have been considering Data
Collection for years, so this is a good opportunity.

Our challenge is whether to buy 10 new PC's for the floor or to get
a Citrix box that will also get us remote access. We have 16 old PC's from
our last upgrade.

I would like to hear from any of you who use Data collection with or
without Citrix. If you use Citrix or any other similar solution, what were
the considerations for the decision.


Doris Franco







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We set up seven Compaq thin clients units on our shop floor for data
collection (15" monitors, keyboards and optical mouses). Our Vantage
software is hosted on a WAN Citrix server over a T-1 connection. We did
some testing using touch screen monitors, but the cost of these in
comparison to a thin client were almost double. It works great until you
have problems with the network or server. We created labor detail sheets
for employees for this reason and have to enter the data manually through
labor and job entry when the systems back up.

I'm currently investigating the use of adding bar coding scanners to
minimize the employees time spent for data collection. Our manufacturing
methods are as long as fifteen operations for some of our assemblies.

Thomas F. Wright
Hydraulic Development & Mfg. Co.






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We are getting ready to upgrade to 5.1. Along with that we'll be
installing the new Vantage module Advance Material Management which
requires us to start using Data Collection. We have been considering Data
Collection for years, so this is a good opportunity.

Our challenge is whether to buy 10 new PC's for the floor or to get
a Citrix box that will also get us remote access. We have 16 old PC's from
our last upgrade.

I would like to hear from any of you who use Data collection with or
without Citrix. If you use Citrix or any other similar solution, what were
the considerations for the decision.


Doris Franco






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This is probably the best way to cycle your technology too. As a pc in the
shop dies from extreams, you move one of your office models out there and
get your office new equipment. This keeps your network from aging too
badly. When I've been able to maintain this practice costs are predictable.
(As a side note, hubby and I build machines for work as needed at build
costs far cheaper than warrenty boxes)

Shirley Graver
Systems Administrator
Rubber Associates Inc.
Cleveland/Akron, OH

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:53 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix


IMHO - PCs are cheap, easier to integrate with Vantage and based on a lot
of
messages here much easier to deal with. They also have multiple uses such
as allow display of work instructions or procedures and quality manuals.
Securing the BIOS, disabling the floppy drive and having no CD makes them
secure enough for a shop floor. Downside is license costs for the OS. We
have been very happy using cheap (almost disposable) PCs. The shop floor
is
the place where all our oldest PCs end up as new one as added. I've not
personally used Citrix but have been considering it for remote access so
getting "double duty" from it might be enough reason to use it for DC too.

-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Doris Franco [mailto:dfranco@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:36 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix




We are getting ready to upgrade to 5.1. Along with that we'll be
installing the new Vantage module Advance Material Management which
requires us to start using Data Collection. We have been considering Data
Collection for years, so this is a good opportunity.

Our challenge is whether to buy 10 new PC's for the floor or to get
a Citrix box that will also get us remote access. We have 16 old PC's from
our last upgrade.

I would like to hear from any of you who use Data collection with or
without Citrix. If you use Citrix or any other similar solution, what were
the considerations for the decision.


Doris Franco







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A great product for shop PCs are Neoware systems that run as Terminal Server
or Citrix clients. They can be setup to automatically reboot, login and
startup the data collection screen whenever the connection is dropped. No
moving parts. Quite inexpensive. www.neoware.com <http://www.neoware.com>

Oleg Tumarkin
Intelligent Systems Integration
(330) 335-5291
olegt@...

"Making Intelligent Use of Technology"



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Doris:

We use Data Collection, have 4 workstations on our shop floor. No Citrix.
While we had the usual learning curve - machinists are not generally
interested in providing data to some computer - after a few months and
someone reviewing the labor edit report every day, they have the hang of it.
Now they are irritated if something happens to one of the Data collection
stations. We're on 5.1, my data collection stations are all fairly
low-level machines (one is a 133 with 64 mgs of RAM), speed doesn't seem to
be a huge issue. We are only 73 people though, of which about 22-25 are
office computer users. Our second shift is very small (8 guys). Just to
give an idea of our ratio of data collection users.

Feel free to contact me off line with questions.

Lydia
lcoffman@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Doris Franco [mailto:dfranco@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 7:36 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix



We are getting ready to upgrade to 5.1. Along with that we'll be
installing the new Vantage module Advance Material Management which
requires us to start using Data Collection. We have been considering Data
Collection for years, so this is a good opportunity.

Our challenge is whether to buy 10 new PC's for the floor or to get
a Citrix box that will also get us remote access. We have 16 old PC's from
our last upgrade.

I would like to hear from any of you who use Data collection with or
without Citrix. If you use Citrix or any other similar solution, what were
the considerations for the decision.


Doris Franco







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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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Which model do you run and what did you pay for each?

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg Tumarkin [mailto:olegt@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:42 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix


A great product for shop PCs are Neoware systems that run as Terminal Server
or Citrix clients. They can be setup to automatically reboot, login and
startup the data collection screen whenever the connection is dropped. No
moving parts. Quite inexpensive. www.neoware.com <http://www.neoware.com>

Oleg Tumarkin
Intelligent Systems Integration
(330) 335-5291
olegt@...

"Making Intelligent Use of Technology"



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We've used ION 3000 they are sold from their web-site for $429 ea. (w/ no
monitor), but considering their reliability it's still an excellent deal.

Oleg Tumarkin
Intelligent Systems Integration
(330) 335-5291
olegt@...

"Making Intelligent Use of Technology"

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From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:08 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix


Which model do you run and what did you pay for each?

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg Tumarkin [mailto:olegt@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:42 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix


A great product for shop PCs are Neoware systems that run as Terminal Server
or Citrix clients. They can be setup to automatically reboot, login and
startup the data collection screen whenever the connection is dropped. No
moving parts. Quite inexpensive. www.neoware.com < http://www.neoware.com
<http://www.neoware.com> >

Oleg Tumarkin
Intelligent Systems Integration
(330) 335-5291
olegt@...

"Making Intelligent Use of Technology"



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-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg Tumarkin [mailto:olegt@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:24 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix


We've used ION 3000 they are sold from their web-site for $429 ea. (w/ no
monitor), but considering their reliability it's still an excellent deal.

Oleg Tumarkin
Intelligent Systems Integration
(330) 335-5291
olegt@...

"Making Intelligent Use of Technology"

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:08 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix


Which model do you run and what did you pay for each?

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg Tumarkin [mailto:olegt@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:42 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Data Collection & Citrix


A great product for shop PCs are Neoware systems that run as Terminal Server
or Citrix clients. They can be setup to automatically reboot, login and
startup the data collection screen whenever the connection is dropped. No
moving parts. Quite inexpensive. www.neoware.com < http://www.neoware.com
<http://www.neoware.com> >

Oleg Tumarkin
Intelligent Systems Integration
(330) 335-5291
olegt@...

"Making Intelligent Use of Technology"



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