Does anyone recommend upgrade from 8.03.404A to 8.03.405?

Support has a much easier fix for the new issue in 405A, if I had only
had access to them over the weekend...
Instead of replacing the file as below, you can apparently just run
conversion 130 and the problem is fixed and you can print packing slips
again. I will put the patch file back and try the conversion, but I
think users typically have to be out of the database for conversions
don't they?
Aaron


Aaron Hoyt wrote:
>
> They did fix 1589245ESC and one of my other calls not listed below about
> Order entry - inability to changed customer part number.
> Now they have added a new one that I will call in Monday when Support is
> open again...
>
> ***405A - Packing Slip won't print "Invalid XPath selection inside field
> node. Cannot find: mstns:Calc_PackNum.". After a couple hours of
> messing with the report, report definition and report style...I found
> and replace \(server)\epicor\mfgsys803\Server\sr\PackingSlip.Print.r
> with previous version and it works again.
>
> Exactly what kind of testing was done for this patch that did not
> involve printing a customer Shipment Packing Slip after they made
> changes toPackingSlip.Print.r?
>
> I will try to update with other issues I find as they come up.
>
> Aaron Hoyt
> Vantage Plastics
>
> Aaron Hoyt wrote:
> >
> > Ok, to that end, here are a few of the things I have run into...
> > 1586269ESC MES - Records userID of last worker with an attached userid,
> > not the current user. This is recorded in the change log.
> > 1586283ESC Customer Shipment Entry - when Memory Cache is checked you
> > cannot enter a new pack with the dropdown list.
> > 3346280mps Invoice Entry - Can't create a new receipt line for a receipt
> > that was received via a receipt that has another po number in it's
> > header. There is a workaround that we discovered but Epicor could not
> > offer any real assistance and the issue remains open.
> > Not submitted - Receipt Tracker - Sometimes if you change the vendor you
> > are looking for by ID after having another selected the Pack Slip search
> > program will use the new ID and the old name and return no records.
> > unknown Call# - Technical - Day one database tuned according to
> > instruction in tuning guide. Day two during daily noon backup the
> > database stopped authenticating users. Rejected anyone with a valid
> > password. Would allow users access with cleared password until they set
> > their password and then no more access. Fixed with various tunning
> > changes and required a reboot of the database.
> > unknown call# - Quoting, had to remove "Prevent Changes" in Company
> > config to allow changes to past Quotes.
> > unknown call# - Job Entry, had to check "Global Reschedule Started
> > Operations" to get scheduling to allow reschedule of started operations
> > again.
> > 1589245ESC Menu Security - Permissions are all messed up. Did not have
> > a problem in 403D, but now Supervisor is in many deny groups and the
> > deny all users is not checked, no one can be added because the
> > non-selected user list is empty. Fix provided.
> > 1592135ESC - From Labor entry, a right click entry into Shop Employee
> > Entry returns all records not the one you want.
> > 1592135ESC - StockStatus report has incorrect costs.
> > 1592154ESC - BOL Generated from attached Misc Packing Slip will not
> > print due to no customer information
> > Not Submitted - System refuses to shut down sometimes. Unrelated to
> > Backup, but can't figure just what the issue is.
> > Not Submitted - Frequently have lockups with Vantage if left idle and
> > then started to be used again.
> > 1592553ESC - User Maintenance, Company...If you assign an employee ID to
> > the user for the company you cannot remove it except by removing the
> > company record and then recreating the company access again.
> > Not reported - Part Trans History shows Inspector ID as UserID not the
> > UserID of the person who entered the inspection information into the
> > computer. Errors can only be traced to person reported as Inspector not
> > actual entry person who more likely made the error.
> > I hope this is more helpful. It's not a complete list, but it's better
> > than ranting I suppose.
> > Aaron Hoyt
> > Vantage Plastics
> >
> > bpbuechler wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been following this string as we are committed to upgrading
> > > from to 405.
> > >
> > > What would be nice is if you take the time to warn people from a
> > > certain service pack or patch...document the issues you reported. I
> > > am not looking for all the details, but if I knew what others bumped
> > > into, I might be more cautious and spend a little more time testing
> > > in that specific area.
> > >
> > > Here is what I know:
> > > .AR Invoice Posting Process - AR Post process for AR Group is too
> > > slow
> > > .Credit Card - Tax included on Sales Order credit transaction is
> > > omitted from deposit deducted on shipment causing credit card
> > > overcharge.
> > > .Customer Shipment Entry - Selecting "Shipped" checkbox after mass
> > > shipment doubles update/validation which slows performance.
> > > .Demand Entry - Creates Duplicated SO line releases in Job Manager
> > > .Engineering Workbench - <Poor performance during Check In process>
> > > .Engineering Workbench <BOM with a CRC error produces a 4GL error>
> > > .HH-CustomerShip - Packs for orders linked to jobs shipped with HH
> > > do not show order line
> > > .Information Worker Portal Views - Error message when synchronizing
> > > updated Tasks <TaskSeqNum' is constrained to be unique>
> > > .Invoice Entry AR Report is not displaying the Advanced Billing
> > > amount created before for the same order.
> > > .Job Entry goes into an infinite loop changing subassembly parents
> > > .Job Receipt to Inventory - Auto Receipt MFG-STK has $0 costs if
> > > Backflush labor and material are done simultaneously.
> > > .Labor Entry - Applied Labor and Burden not hitting proper G/L
> > > Department set in Department
> > > .Labor Entry - doesn't create all transactions for a Job with Auto
> > > Receive flag and different Demands.
> > > .Labor Entry - Quantity Only and Fixed Quantity is not kept entering
> > > Scrap Quantity.
> > > .Material Request Queue - No Move record created when subcontract
> > > operation is the final operation on the job
> > > .Order Entry - Cannot change customer part number on sales order
> > > .Order Entry - The application crashes when a Line field is updated
> > > twice and the user tabs out the field
> > > .Packing Slip - PackSlip Report Data Definition does not contain any
> > > data from the OrderDtl table.
> > > .Part Tracker - Object Reference not set to an instance when publish
> > > and subscribing with job manager
> > > .Planning Workbench - is not generating the suggestions when the
> > > dates are changed in SO entry.
> > > .Process MRP - In a given circumstance using the reschedule deltas
> > > will force MRP into performing an odd calculation
> > > .Product Configurator - For the European number format, Product
> > > Configurator does not handle On Leave triggers
> > > .Product Configurator - Get details for configured subassembly
> > > supplied from another plant not working correctly
> > > .Product Configurator - Input based pricing not rolling up in multi
> > > level part where each level has its own configuration
> > > .Purchase Order Entry - Multi-Company PO, Inconsistent use of test
> > > for Purchase Type prompts
> > > .Resource Scheduling Board - Load Level is leaving a gap between
> > > operations.
> > > .Resource Scheduling Board is displaying the jobs duplicated
> > > .RFQ Entry - Sourcing sheet Date and Time fields validation.
> > > .Scheduling - Scheduling s not choosing the best resource when there
> > > is an exception calendar.
> > > .Scheduling Engine - Improperly scheduling finish to finish
> > > operations when second resource has existing load in slot that first
> > > operation was scheduled in
> > > .Time Phased Mtl Requirements - Time Phase Report ignores the date
> > > specified in the field "Ignore If not needed by"
> > > .Transfer Order Workbench - Creates one order from two suggestions
> > > with different To Plants.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Aaron Hoyt <aaron.hoyt@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 405 is the worst patch I have experienced. Normally I see
> > > personally a
> > > > couple bugs per patch...I have personally recorded in excess of 20
> > > on
> > > > 405 so far and that does not include annoyances (2 so far were
> > > > discovered while on the phone with support about another issue).. I
> > > > can't recommend 405 to anyone.
> > > > 405A on the other hand has at least 2 fixes that I stumbled upon in
> > > > 405. Next to the inability to change customer part number in order
> > > > entry in 405, the inability to effectively change security until
> > > 405a is
> > > > enough of a reason to stay avoid 405 and go straight to 405a.
> > > > I am being kept from 405a by month end until late tonight, but I
> > > will
> > > > apply that patch just to get off 405. Testing or not, we figure it
> > > > can't be worse than 405.
> > > > If you can still get to 403d, that was a much better patch IMHO. I
> > > wish
> > > > we could go back.
> > > > Aaron Hoyt
> > > > Vantage Plastics
> > > >
> > > > Charles Carden wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There are a lot of problems with all versions of 404. With our
> > > testing
> > > > > of 404 we elected skipped it entirely and wait for 405. It does
> > > appear
> > > > > the problems that 404 brought are not present in 405. I suspect
> > > we
> > > > > will be upgrading to 405 within the next month or so unless I
> > > find a
> > > > > problem that would prevent it.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:vantage%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > > > > Behalf Of Chris Robisch
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:48 AM
> > > > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Does anyone recommend upgrade from
> > > 8.03.404A to
> > > > > 8.03.405?
> > > > >
> > > > > We've encountered MRP canceling jobs and PO's leaving negative
> > > balances
> > > > > in Time Phase 8.03.404B. It appears to be fixed in 405a, not 405,
> > > so
> > > > > we're going to start testing 405a heavily and go to it as quickly
> > > as
> > > > > possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "kayd.indaco" <kay.d@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We just upgraded from 8.03.305K to 8.03.404A this week and we
> > > are
> > > > > > having several issues. It appears several of our problems can be
> > > > > > resolved by going to 8.03.405. However, we would like to know if
> > > > > anyone
> > > > > > out there would recommend against this upgrade. We don't want to
> > > > > cause
> > > > > > more problems than are resolved.
> > > > > >
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We just upgraded from 8.03.305K to 8.03.404A this week and we are
having several issues. It appears several of our problems can be
resolved by going to 8.03.405. However, we would like to know if anyone
out there would recommend against this upgrade. We don't want to cause
more problems than are resolved.
We've encountered MRP canceling jobs and PO's leaving negative balances
in Time Phase 8.03.404B. It appears to be fixed in 405a, not 405, so
we're going to start testing 405a heavily and go to it as quickly as
possible.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "kayd.indaco" <kay.d@...> wrote:
>
> We just upgraded from 8.03.305K to 8.03.404A this week and we are
> having several issues. It appears several of our problems can be
> resolved by going to 8.03.405. However, we would like to know if
anyone
> out there would recommend against this upgrade. We don't want to
cause
> more problems than are resolved.
>
There are a lot of problems with all versions of 404. With our testing of 404 we elected skipped it entirely and wait for 405. It does appear the problems that 404 brought are not present in 405. I suspect we will be upgrading to 405 within the next month or so unless I find a problem that would prevent it.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Robisch
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Does anyone recommend upgrade from 8.03.404A to 8.03.405?


We've encountered MRP canceling jobs and PO's leaving negative balances
in Time Phase 8.03.404B. It appears to be fixed in 405a, not 405, so
we're going to start testing 405a heavily and go to it as quickly as
possible.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "kayd.indaco" <kay.d@...> wrote:
>
> We just upgraded from 8.03.305K to 8.03.404A this week and we are
> having several issues. It appears several of our problems can be
> resolved by going to 8.03.405. However, we would like to know if
anyone
> out there would recommend against this upgrade. We don't want to
cause
> more problems than are resolved.
>


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405 is the worst patch I have experienced. Normally I see personally a
couple bugs per patch...I have personally recorded in excess of 20 on
405 so far and that does not include annoyances (2 so far were
discovered while on the phone with support about another issue).. I
can't recommend 405 to anyone.
405A on the other hand has at least 2 fixes that I stumbled upon in
405. Next to the inability to change customer part number in order
entry in 405, the inability to effectively change security until 405a is
enough of a reason to stay avoid 405 and go straight to 405a.
I am being kept from 405a by month end until late tonight, but I will
apply that patch just to get off 405. Testing or not, we figure it
can't be worse than 405.
If you can still get to 403d, that was a much better patch IMHO. I wish
we could go back.
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

Charles Carden wrote:
>
> There are a lot of problems with all versions of 404. With our testing
> of 404 we elected skipped it entirely and wait for 405. It does appear
> the problems that 404 brought are not present in 405. I suspect we
> will be upgrading to 405 within the next month or so unless I find a
> problem that would prevent it.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Chris Robisch
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:48 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Does anyone recommend upgrade from 8.03.404A to
> 8.03.405?
>
> We've encountered MRP canceling jobs and PO's leaving negative balances
> in Time Phase 8.03.404B. It appears to be fixed in 405a, not 405, so
> we're going to start testing 405a heavily and go to it as quickly as
> possible.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "kayd.indaco" <kay.d@...> wrote:
> >
> > We just upgraded from 8.03.305K to 8.03.404A this week and we are
> > having several issues. It appears several of our problems can be
> > resolved by going to 8.03.405. However, we would like to know if
> anyone
> > out there would recommend against this upgrade. We don't want to
> cause
> > more problems than are resolved.
> >
>
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I have been following this string as we are committed to upgrading
from to 405.

What would be nice is if you take the time to warn people from a
certain service pack or patch...document the issues you reported. I
am not looking for all the details, but if I knew what others bumped
into, I might be more cautious and spend a little more time testing
in that specific area.

Here is what I know:
•AR Invoice Posting Process - AR Post process for AR Group is too
slow
•Credit Card - Tax included on Sales Order credit transaction is
omitted from deposit deducted on shipment causing credit card
overcharge.
•Customer Shipment Entry - Selecting "Shipped" checkbox after mass
shipment doubles update/validation which slows performance.
•Demand Entry - Creates Duplicated SO line releases in Job Manager
•Engineering Workbench - <Poor performance during Check In process>
•Engineering Workbench <BOM with a CRC error produces a 4GL error>
•HH-CustomerShip - Packs for orders linked to jobs shipped with HH
do not show order line
•Information Worker Portal Views - Error message when synchronizing
updated Tasks <TaskSeqNum' is constrained to be unique>
•Invoice Entry AR Report is not displaying the Advanced Billing
amount created before for the same order.
•Job Entry goes into an infinite loop changing subassembly parents
•Job Receipt to Inventory - Auto Receipt MFG-STK has $0 costs if
Backflush labor and material are done simultaneously.
•Labor Entry - Applied Labor and Burden not hitting proper G/L
Department set in Department
•Labor Entry - doesn't create all transactions for a Job with Auto
Receive flag and different Demands.
•Labor Entry - Quantity Only and Fixed Quantity is not kept entering
Scrap Quantity.
•Material Request Queue - No Move record created when subcontract
operation is the final operation on the job
•Order Entry - Cannot change customer part number on sales order
•Order Entry - The application crashes when a Line field is updated
twice and the user tabs out the field
•Packing Slip - PackSlip Report Data Definition does not contain any
data from the OrderDtl table.
•Part Tracker - Object Reference not set to an instance when publish
and subscribing with job manager
•Planning Workbench - is not generating the suggestions when the
dates are changed in SO entry.
•Process MRP - In a given circumstance using the reschedule deltas
will force MRP into performing an odd calculation
•Product Configurator - For the European number format, Product
Configurator does not handle On Leave triggers
•Product Configurator - Get details for configured subassembly
supplied from another plant not working correctly
•Product Configurator - Input based pricing not rolling up in multi
level part where each level has its own configuration
•Purchase Order Entry - Multi-Company PO, Inconsistent use of test
for Purchase Type prompts
•Resource Scheduling Board - Load Level is leaving a gap between
operations.
•Resource Scheduling Board is displaying the jobs duplicated
•RFQ Entry - Sourcing sheet Date and Time fields validation.
•Scheduling - Scheduling s not choosing the best resource when there
is an exception calendar.
•Scheduling Engine - Improperly scheduling finish to finish
operations when second resource has existing load in slot that first
operation was scheduled in
•Time Phased Mtl Requirements - Time Phase Report ignores the date
specified in the field "Ignore If not needed by"
•Transfer Order Workbench - Creates one order from two suggestions
with different To Plants.

Thanks



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Hoyt <aaron.hoyt@...> wrote:
>
> 405 is the worst patch I have experienced. Normally I see
personally a
> couple bugs per patch...I have personally recorded in excess of 20
on
> 405 so far and that does not include annoyances (2 so far were
> discovered while on the phone with support about another issue).. I
> can't recommend 405 to anyone.
> 405A on the other hand has at least 2 fixes that I stumbled upon in
> 405. Next to the inability to change customer part number in order
> entry in 405, the inability to effectively change security until
405a is
> enough of a reason to stay avoid 405 and go straight to 405a.
> I am being kept from 405a by month end until late tonight, but I
will
> apply that patch just to get off 405. Testing or not, we figure it
> can't be worse than 405.
> If you can still get to 403d, that was a much better patch IMHO. I
wish
> we could go back.
> Aaron Hoyt
> Vantage Plastics
>
> Charles Carden wrote:
> >
> > There are a lot of problems with all versions of 404. With our
testing
> > of 404 we elected skipped it entirely and wait for 405. It does
appear
> > the problems that 404 brought are not present in 405. I suspect
we
> > will be upgrading to 405 within the next month or so unless I
find a
> > problem that would prevent it.
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > Behalf Of Chris Robisch
> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:48 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Does anyone recommend upgrade from
8.03.404A to
> > 8.03.405?
> >
> > We've encountered MRP canceling jobs and PO's leaving negative
balances
> > in Time Phase 8.03.404B. It appears to be fixed in 405a, not 405,
so
> > we're going to start testing 405a heavily and go to it as quickly
as
> > possible.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "kayd.indaco" <kay.d@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We just upgraded from 8.03.305K to 8.03.404A this week and we
are
> > > having several issues. It appears several of our problems can be
> > > resolved by going to 8.03.405. However, we would like to know if
> > anyone
> > > out there would recommend against this upgrade. We don't want to
> > cause
> > > more problems than are resolved.
> > >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > DISCLAIMER:
> > This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential
and/or
> > proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or
entity
> > to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the
> > intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is
> > hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying
of
> > this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in
error,
> > please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete
this
> > e-mail immediately.
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Ok, to that end, here are a few of the things I have run into...
1586269ESC MES - Records userID of last worker with an attached userid,
not the current user. This is recorded in the change log.
1586283ESC Customer Shipment Entry - when Memory Cache is checked you
cannot enter a new pack with the dropdown list.
3346280mps Invoice Entry - Can't create a new receipt line for a receipt
that was received via a receipt that has another po number in it's
header. There is a workaround that we discovered but Epicor could not
offer any real assistance and the issue remains open.
Not submitted - Receipt Tracker - Sometimes if you change the vendor you
are looking for by ID after having another selected the Pack Slip search
program will use the new ID and the old name and return no records.
unknown Call# - Technical - Day one database tuned according to
instruction in tuning guide. Day two during daily noon backup the
database stopped authenticating users. Rejected anyone with a valid
password. Would allow users access with cleared password until they set
their password and then no more access. Fixed with various tunning
changes and required a reboot of the database.
unknown call# - Quoting, had to remove "Prevent Changes" in Company
config to allow changes to past Quotes.
unknown call# - Job Entry, had to check "Global Reschedule Started
Operations" to get scheduling to allow reschedule of started operations
again.
1589245ESC Menu Security - Permissions are all messed up. Did not have
a problem in 403D, but now Supervisor is in many deny groups and the
deny all users is not checked, no one can be added because the
non-selected user list is empty. Fix provided.
1592135ESC - From Labor entry, a right click entry into Shop Employee
Entry returns all records not the one you want.
1592135ESC - StockStatus report has incorrect costs.
1592154ESC - BOL Generated from attached Misc Packing Slip will not
print due to no customer information
Not Submitted - System refuses to shut down sometimes. Unrelated to
Backup, but can't figure just what the issue is.
Not Submitted - Frequently have lockups with Vantage if left idle and
then started to be used again.
1592553ESC - User Maintenance, Company...If you assign an employee ID to
the user for the company you cannot remove it except by removing the
company record and then recreating the company access again.
Not reported - Part Trans History shows Inspector ID as UserID not the
UserID of the person who entered the inspection information into the
computer. Errors can only be traced to person reported as Inspector not
actual entry person who more likely made the error.
I hope this is more helpful. It's not a complete list, but it's better
than ranting I suppose.
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics


bpbuechler wrote:
>
> I have been following this string as we are committed to upgrading
> from to 405.
>
> What would be nice is if you take the time to warn people from a
> certain service pack or patch...document the issues you reported. I
> am not looking for all the details, but if I knew what others bumped
> into, I might be more cautious and spend a little more time testing
> in that specific area.
>
> Here is what I know:
> .AR Invoice Posting Process - AR Post process for AR Group is too
> slow
> .Credit Card - Tax included on Sales Order credit transaction is
> omitted from deposit deducted on shipment causing credit card
> overcharge.
> .Customer Shipment Entry - Selecting "Shipped" checkbox after mass
> shipment doubles update/validation which slows performance.
> .Demand Entry - Creates Duplicated SO line releases in Job Manager
> .Engineering Workbench - <Poor performance during Check In process>
> .Engineering Workbench <BOM with a CRC error produces a 4GL error>
> .HH-CustomerShip - Packs for orders linked to jobs shipped with HH
> do not show order line
> .Information Worker Portal Views - Error message when synchronizing
> updated Tasks <TaskSeqNum' is constrained to be unique>
> .Invoice Entry AR Report is not displaying the Advanced Billing
> amount created before for the same order.
> .Job Entry goes into an infinite loop changing subassembly parents
> .Job Receipt to Inventory - Auto Receipt MFG-STK has $0 costs if
> Backflush labor and material are done simultaneously.
> .Labor Entry - Applied Labor and Burden not hitting proper G/L
> Department set in Department
> .Labor Entry - doesn't create all transactions for a Job with Auto
> Receive flag and different Demands.
> .Labor Entry - Quantity Only and Fixed Quantity is not kept entering
> Scrap Quantity.
> .Material Request Queue - No Move record created when subcontract
> operation is the final operation on the job
> .Order Entry - Cannot change customer part number on sales order
> .Order Entry - The application crashes when a Line field is updated
> twice and the user tabs out the field
> .Packing Slip - PackSlip Report Data Definition does not contain any
> data from the OrderDtl table.
> .Part Tracker - Object Reference not set to an instance when publish
> and subscribing with job manager
> .Planning Workbench - is not generating the suggestions when the
> dates are changed in SO entry.
> .Process MRP - In a given circumstance using the reschedule deltas
> will force MRP into performing an odd calculation
> .Product Configurator - For the European number format, Product
> Configurator does not handle On Leave triggers
> .Product Configurator - Get details for configured subassembly
> supplied from another plant not working correctly
> .Product Configurator - Input based pricing not rolling up in multi
> level part where each level has its own configuration
> .Purchase Order Entry - Multi-Company PO, Inconsistent use of test
> for Purchase Type prompts
> .Resource Scheduling Board - Load Level is leaving a gap between
> operations.
> .Resource Scheduling Board is displaying the jobs duplicated
> .RFQ Entry - Sourcing sheet Date and Time fields validation.
> .Scheduling - Scheduling s not choosing the best resource when there
> is an exception calendar.
> .Scheduling Engine - Improperly scheduling finish to finish
> operations when second resource has existing load in slot that first
> operation was scheduled in
> .Time Phased Mtl Requirements - Time Phase Report ignores the date
> specified in the field "Ignore If not needed by"
> .Transfer Order Workbench - Creates one order from two suggestions
> with different To Plants.
>
> Thanks
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Aaron Hoyt <aaron.hoyt@...> wrote:
> >
> > 405 is the worst patch I have experienced. Normally I see
> personally a
> > couple bugs per patch...I have personally recorded in excess of 20
> on
> > 405 so far and that does not include annoyances (2 so far were
> > discovered while on the phone with support about another issue).. I
> > can't recommend 405 to anyone.
> > 405A on the other hand has at least 2 fixes that I stumbled upon in
> > 405. Next to the inability to change customer part number in order
> > entry in 405, the inability to effectively change security until
> 405a is
> > enough of a reason to stay avoid 405 and go straight to 405a.
> > I am being kept from 405a by month end until late tonight, but I
> will
> > apply that patch just to get off 405. Testing or not, we figure it
> > can't be worse than 405.
> > If you can still get to 403d, that was a much better patch IMHO. I
> wish
> > we could go back.
> > Aaron Hoyt
> > Vantage Plastics
> >
> > Charles Carden wrote:
> > >
> > > There are a lot of problems with all versions of 404. With our
> testing
> > > of 404 we elected skipped it entirely and wait for 405. It does
> appear
> > > the problems that 404 brought are not present in 405. I suspect
> we
> > > will be upgrading to 405 within the next month or so unless I
> find a
> > > problem that would prevent it.
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > > Behalf Of Chris Robisch
> > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:48 AM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Does anyone recommend upgrade from
> 8.03.404A to
> > > 8.03.405?
> > >
> > > We've encountered MRP canceling jobs and PO's leaving negative
> balances
> > > in Time Phase 8.03.404B. It appears to be fixed in 405a, not 405,
> so
> > > we're going to start testing 405a heavily and go to it as quickly
> as
> > > possible.
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "kayd.indaco" <kay.d@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We just upgraded from 8.03.305K to 8.03.404A this week and we
> are
> > > > having several issues. It appears several of our problems can be
> > > > resolved by going to 8.03.405. However, we would like to know if
> > > anyone
> > > > out there would recommend against this upgrade. We don't want to
> > > cause
> > > > more problems than are resolved.
> > > >
> > >
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>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
They did fix 1589245ESC and one of my other calls not listed below about
Order entry - inability to changed customer part number.
Now they have added a new one that I will call in Monday when Support is
open again...

***405A - Packing Slip won't print "Invalid XPath selection inside field
node. Cannot find: mstns:Calc_PackNum.". After a couple hours of
messing with the report, report definition and report style...I found
and replace \(server)\epicor\mfgsys803\Server\sr\PackingSlip.Print.r
with previous version and it works again.

Exactly what kind of testing was done for this patch that did not
involve printing a customer Shipment Packing Slip after they made
changes toPackingSlip.Print.r?

I will try to update with other issues I find as they come up.

Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics


Aaron Hoyt wrote:
>
> Ok, to that end, here are a few of the things I have run into...
> 1586269ESC MES - Records userID of last worker with an attached userid,
> not the current user. This is recorded in the change log.
> 1586283ESC Customer Shipment Entry - when Memory Cache is checked you
> cannot enter a new pack with the dropdown list.
> 3346280mps Invoice Entry - Can't create a new receipt line for a receipt
> that was received via a receipt that has another po number in it's
> header. There is a workaround that we discovered but Epicor could not
> offer any real assistance and the issue remains open.
> Not submitted - Receipt Tracker - Sometimes if you change the vendor you
> are looking for by ID after having another selected the Pack Slip search
> program will use the new ID and the old name and return no records.
> unknown Call# - Technical - Day one database tuned according to
> instruction in tuning guide. Day two during daily noon backup the
> database stopped authenticating users. Rejected anyone with a valid
> password. Would allow users access with cleared password until they set
> their password and then no more access. Fixed with various tunning
> changes and required a reboot of the database.
> unknown call# - Quoting, had to remove "Prevent Changes" in Company
> config to allow changes to past Quotes.
> unknown call# - Job Entry, had to check "Global Reschedule Started
> Operations" to get scheduling to allow reschedule of started operations
> again.
> 1589245ESC Menu Security - Permissions are all messed up. Did not have
> a problem in 403D, but now Supervisor is in many deny groups and the
> deny all users is not checked, no one can be added because the
> non-selected user list is empty. Fix provided.
> 1592135ESC - From Labor entry, a right click entry into Shop Employee
> Entry returns all records not the one you want.
> 1592135ESC - StockStatus report has incorrect costs.
> 1592154ESC - BOL Generated from attached Misc Packing Slip will not
> print due to no customer information
> Not Submitted - System refuses to shut down sometimes. Unrelated to
> Backup, but can't figure just what the issue is.
> Not Submitted - Frequently have lockups with Vantage if left idle and
> then started to be used again.
> 1592553ESC - User Maintenance, Company...If you assign an employee ID to
> the user for the company you cannot remove it except by removing the
> company record and then recreating the company access again.
> Not reported - Part Trans History shows Inspector ID as UserID not the
> UserID of the person who entered the inspection information into the
> computer. Errors can only be traced to person reported as Inspector not
> actual entry person who more likely made the error.
> I hope this is more helpful. It's not a complete list, but it's better
> than ranting I suppose.
> Aaron Hoyt
> Vantage Plastics
>
> bpbuechler wrote:
> >
> > I have been following this string as we are committed to upgrading
> > from to 405.
> >
> > What would be nice is if you take the time to warn people from a
> > certain service pack or patch...document the issues you reported. I
> > am not looking for all the details, but if I knew what others bumped
> > into, I might be more cautious and spend a little more time testing
> > in that specific area.
> >
> > Here is what I know:
> > .AR Invoice Posting Process - AR Post process for AR Group is too
> > slow
> > .Credit Card - Tax included on Sales Order credit transaction is
> > omitted from deposit deducted on shipment causing credit card
> > overcharge.
> > .Customer Shipment Entry - Selecting "Shipped" checkbox after mass
> > shipment doubles update/validation which slows performance.
> > .Demand Entry - Creates Duplicated SO line releases in Job Manager
> > .Engineering Workbench - <Poor performance during Check In process>
> > .Engineering Workbench <BOM with a CRC error produces a 4GL error>
> > .HH-CustomerShip - Packs for orders linked to jobs shipped with HH
> > do not show order line
> > .Information Worker Portal Views - Error message when synchronizing
> > updated Tasks <TaskSeqNum' is constrained to be unique>
> > .Invoice Entry AR Report is not displaying the Advanced Billing
> > amount created before for the same order.
> > .Job Entry goes into an infinite loop changing subassembly parents
> > .Job Receipt to Inventory - Auto Receipt MFG-STK has $0 costs if
> > Backflush labor and material are done simultaneously.
> > .Labor Entry - Applied Labor and Burden not hitting proper G/L
> > Department set in Department
> > .Labor Entry - doesn't create all transactions for a Job with Auto
> > Receive flag and different Demands.
> > .Labor Entry - Quantity Only and Fixed Quantity is not kept entering
> > Scrap Quantity.
> > .Material Request Queue - No Move record created when subcontract
> > operation is the final operation on the job
> > .Order Entry - Cannot change customer part number on sales order
> > .Order Entry - The application crashes when a Line field is updated
> > twice and the user tabs out the field
> > .Packing Slip - PackSlip Report Data Definition does not contain any
> > data from the OrderDtl table.
> > .Part Tracker - Object Reference not set to an instance when publish
> > and subscribing with job manager
> > .Planning Workbench - is not generating the suggestions when the
> > dates are changed in SO entry.
> > .Process MRP - In a given circumstance using the reschedule deltas
> > will force MRP into performing an odd calculation
> > .Product Configurator - For the European number format, Product
> > Configurator does not handle On Leave triggers
> > .Product Configurator - Get details for configured subassembly
> > supplied from another plant not working correctly
> > .Product Configurator - Input based pricing not rolling up in multi
> > level part where each level has its own configuration
> > .Purchase Order Entry - Multi-Company PO, Inconsistent use of test
> > for Purchase Type prompts
> > .Resource Scheduling Board - Load Level is leaving a gap between
> > operations.
> > .Resource Scheduling Board is displaying the jobs duplicated
> > .RFQ Entry - Sourcing sheet Date and Time fields validation.
> > .Scheduling - Scheduling s not choosing the best resource when there
> > is an exception calendar.
> > .Scheduling Engine - Improperly scheduling finish to finish
> > operations when second resource has existing load in slot that first
> > operation was scheduled in
> > .Time Phased Mtl Requirements - Time Phase Report ignores the date
> > specified in the field "Ignore If not needed by"
> > .Transfer Order Workbench - Creates one order from two suggestions
> > with different To Plants.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Aaron Hoyt <aaron.hoyt@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > 405 is the worst patch I have experienced. Normally I see
> > personally a
> > > couple bugs per patch...I have personally recorded in excess of 20
> > on
> > > 405 so far and that does not include annoyances (2 so far were
> > > discovered while on the phone with support about another issue).. I
> > > can't recommend 405 to anyone.
> > > 405A on the other hand has at least 2 fixes that I stumbled upon in
> > > 405. Next to the inability to change customer part number in order
> > > entry in 405, the inability to effectively change security until
> > 405a is
> > > enough of a reason to stay avoid 405 and go straight to 405a.
> > > I am being kept from 405a by month end until late tonight, but I
> > will
> > > apply that patch just to get off 405. Testing or not, we figure it
> > > can't be worse than 405.
> > > If you can still get to 403d, that was a much better patch IMHO. I
> > wish
> > > we could go back.
> > > Aaron Hoyt
> > > Vantage Plastics
> > >
> > > Charles Carden wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There are a lot of problems with all versions of 404. With our
> > testing
> > > > of 404 we elected skipped it entirely and wait for 405. It does
> > appear
> > > > the problems that 404 brought are not present in 405. I suspect
> > we
> > > > will be upgrading to 405 within the next month or so unless I
> > find a
> > > > problem that would prevent it.
> > > >
> > > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > > > Behalf Of Chris Robisch
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:48 AM
> > > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Does anyone recommend upgrade from
> > 8.03.404A to
> > > > 8.03.405?
> > > >
> > > > We've encountered MRP canceling jobs and PO's leaving negative
> > balances
> > > > in Time Phase 8.03.404B. It appears to be fixed in 405a, not 405,
> > so
> > > > we're going to start testing 405a heavily and go to it as quickly
> > as
> > > > possible.
> > > >
> > > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "kayd.indaco" <kay.d@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We just upgraded from 8.03.305K to 8.03.404A this week and we
> > are
> > > > > having several issues. It appears several of our problems can be
> > > > > resolved by going to 8.03.405. However, we would like to know if
> > > > anyone
> > > > > out there would recommend against this upgrade. We don't want to
> > > > cause
> > > > > more problems than are resolved.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > DISCLAIMER:
> > > > This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential
> > and/or
> > > > proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or
> > entity
> > > > to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the
> > > > intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is
> > > > hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying
> > of
> > > > this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in
> > error,
> > > > please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete
> > this
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thanks Aaron. Your willingness to take the time to document what you've found to date re 405A will be very helpful to us as we've just started testing 405.

We are on 404 now (a disasterous quality release in my opinion) and it won't take much of a nudge to make the decision to move to 405 UNLESS it introduces NEW significant bugs (as 404 did).

A number of things you list we found to were already broken on 404 (and in a few case s- on 403):

> .Labor Entry - doesn't create all transactions for a Job with Auto
> Receive flag and different Demands.
> .Labor Entry - Quantity Only and Fixed Quantity is not kept entering
> Scrap Quantity.
> .Resource Scheduling Board - Load Level is leaving a gap between
> operations.
> .Resource Scheduling Board is displaying the jobs duplicated
> .Scheduling Engine - Improperly scheduling finish to finish
> operations when second resource has existing load in slot that first
> operation was scheduled in
> .Time Phased Mtl Requirements - Time Phase Report ignores the date
> specified in the field "Ignore If not needed by"

I'm disturbed by the lack of documentation warning that installation changes configuration settings - but knowing about it (from you and others who have written of this) is sufficient to avoid the problem.

So far, I've found several compelling reasons to recommend the upgrade:

1. The Calc Global Scheduling Order process now utilizes the correct date (Req'd By date instead of last scheduled Due Date) and now also applies each jobs Sched Code multiplier.

2. 404 job detail generation contains a serious bug which occurs when generating a job for a part made up of multi-level phantom structures. It results in creating multiple assembly level records for each component (the number being dependent upon how 'deep' in the multi-level BOM strucuture the component exists). Only the level 0 records have corresponding associations will all other pertinent job mtl detail tables. The rest are trash and result in allocations for the part being increased (each assy level record above zero duplicating the allocation adder). We have a BAM which triggers deletion of the errantly created assy level records - but allocations are already inflated by then. A utility provided by support (to recalc allocations) has proven unreliable.

405 no longer contains this significant bug.

I'll share as I discover more and hope you (and others) do the same. It is clear Epicor hasn't been able to scale up its support and development groups to keep up with the growth their sales group has succeeded in achieving.

It will take them years to do so as, while it is easy to hire progammers, they will not become innately familiar with the program intent for some time to come (and few if any will have any manufacturing USER background to guide their efforts).

I think we are on our own for a while so, if we can help each other by sharing discoveries, we will all benefit.

Thanks

Rob Brown

--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Aaron Hoyt <aaron.hoyt@...> wrote:

From: Aaron Hoyt <aaron.hoyt@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Does anyone recommend upgrade from 8.03.404A to 8.03.405?
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 5:26 PM






Ok, to that end, here are a few of the things I have run into...
1586269ESC MES - Records userID of last worker with an attached userid,
not the current user. This is recorded in the change log.
1586283ESC Customer Shipment Entry - when Memory Cache is checked you
cannot enter a new pack with the dropdown list.
3346280mps Invoice Entry - Can't create a new receipt line for a receipt
that was received via a receipt that has another po number in it's
header. There is a workaround that we discovered but Epicor could not
offer any real assistance and the issue remains open.
Not submitted - Receipt Tracker - Sometimes if you change the vendor you
are looking for by ID after having another selected the Pack Slip search
program will use the new ID and the old name and return no records.
unknown Call# - Technical - Day one database tuned according to
instruction in tuning guide. Day two during daily noon backup the
database stopped authenticating users. Rejected anyone with a valid
password. Would allow users access with cleared password until they set
their password and then no more access. Fixed with various tunning
changes and required a reboot of the database.
unknown call# - Quoting, had to remove "Prevent Changes" in Company
config to allow changes to past Quotes.
unknown call# - Job Entry, had to check "Global Reschedule Started
Operations" to get scheduling to allow reschedule of started operations
again.
1589245ESC Menu Security - Permissions are all messed up. Did not have
a problem in 403D, but now Supervisor is in many deny groups and the
deny all users is not checked, no one can be added because the
non-selected user list is empty. Fix provided.
1592135ESC - From Labor entry, a right click entry into Shop Employee
Entry returns all records not the one you want.
1592135ESC - StockStatus report has incorrect costs.
1592154ESC - BOL Generated from attached Misc Packing Slip will not
print due to no customer information
Not Submitted - System refuses to shut down sometimes. Unrelated to
Backup, but can't figure just what the issue is.
Not Submitted - Frequently have lockups with Vantage if left idle and
then started to be used again.
1592553ESC - User Maintenance, Company...If you assign an employee ID to
the user for the company you cannot remove it except by removing the
company record and then recreating the company access again.
Not reported - Part Trans History shows Inspector ID as UserID not the
UserID of the person who entered the inspection information into the
computer. Errors can only be traced to person reported as Inspector not
actual entry person who more likely made the error.
I hope this is more helpful. It's not a complete list, but it's better
than ranting I suppose.
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

bpbuechler wrote:
>
> I have been following this string as we are committed to upgrading
> from to 405.
>
> What would be nice is if you take the time to warn people from a
> certain service pack or patch...document the issues you reported. I
> am not looking for all the details, but if I knew what others bumped
> into, I might be more cautious and spend a little more time testing
> in that specific area.
>
> Here is what I know:
> .AR Invoice Posting Process - AR Post process for AR Group is too
> slow
> .Credit Card - Tax included on Sales Order credit transaction is
> omitted from deposit deducted on shipment causing credit card
> overcharge.
> .Customer Shipment Entry - Selecting "Shipped" checkbox after mass
> shipment doubles update/validation which slows performance.
> .Demand Entry - Creates Duplicated SO line releases in Job Manager
> .Engineering Workbench - <Poor performance during Check In process>
> .Engineering Workbench <BOM with a CRC error produces a 4GL error>
> .HH-CustomerShip - Packs for orders linked to jobs shipped with HH
> do not show order line
> .Information Worker Portal Views - Error message when synchronizing
> updated Tasks <TaskSeqNum' is constrained to be unique>
> .Invoice Entry AR Report is not displaying the Advanced Billing
> amount created before for the same order.
> .Job Entry goes into an infinite loop changing subassembly parents
> .Job Receipt to Inventory - Auto Receipt MFG-STK has $0 costs if
> Backflush labor and material are done simultaneously.
> .Labor Entry - Applied Labor and Burden not hitting proper G/L
> Department set in Department
> .Labor Entry - doesn't create all transactions for a Job with Auto
> Receive flag and different Demands.
> .Labor Entry - Quantity Only and Fixed Quantity is not kept entering
> Scrap Quantity.
> .Material Request Queue - No Move record created when subcontract
> operation is the final operation on the job
> .Order Entry - Cannot change customer part number on sales order
> .Order Entry - The application crashes when a Line field is updated
> twice and the user tabs out the field
> .Packing Slip - PackSlip Report Data Definition does not contain any
> data from the OrderDtl table.
> .Part Tracker - Object Reference not set to an instance when publish
> and subscribing with job manager
> .Planning Workbench - is not generating the suggestions when the
> dates are changed in SO entry.
> .Process MRP - In a given circumstance using the reschedule deltas
> will force MRP into performing an odd calculation
> .Product Configurator - For the European number format, Product
> Configurator does not handle On Leave triggers
> .Product Configurator - Get details for configured subassembly
> supplied from another plant not working correctly
> .Product Configurator - Input based pricing not rolling up in multi
> level part where each level has its own configuration
> .Purchase Order Entry - Multi-Company PO, Inconsistent use of test
> for Purchase Type prompts
> .Resource Scheduling Board - Load Level is leaving a gap between
> operations.
> .Resource Scheduling Board is displaying the jobs duplicated
> .RFQ Entry - Sourcing sheet Date and Time fields validation.
> .Scheduling - Scheduling s not choosing the best resource when there
> is an exception calendar.
> .Scheduling Engine - Improperly scheduling finish to finish
> operations when second resource has existing load in slot that first
> operation was scheduled in
> .Time Phased Mtl Requirements - Time Phase Report ignores the date
> specified in the field "Ignore If not needed by"
> .Transfer Order Workbench - Creates one order from two suggestions
> with different To Plants.
>
> Thanks
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> Aaron Hoyt <aaron.hoyt@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > 405 is the worst patch I have experienced. Normally I see
> personally a
> > couple bugs per patch...I have personally recorded in excess of 20
> on
> > 405 so far and that does not include annoyances (2 so far were
> > discovered while on the phone with support about another issue).. I
> > can't recommend 405 to anyone.
> > 405A on the other hand has at least 2 fixes that I stumbled upon in
> > 405. Next to the inability to change customer part number in order
> > entry in 405, the inability to effectively change security until
> 405a is
> > enough of a reason to stay avoid 405 and go straight to 405a.
> > I am being kept from 405a by month end until late tonight, but I
> will
> > apply that patch just to get off 405. Testing or not, we figure it
> > can't be worse than 405.
> > If you can still get to 403d, that was a much better patch IMHO. I
> wish
> > we could go back.
> > Aaron Hoyt
> > Vantage Plastics
> >
> > Charles Carden wrote:
> > >
> > > There are a lot of problems with all versions of 404. With our
> testing
> > > of 404 we elected skipped it entirely and wait for 405. It does
> appear
> > > the problems that 404 brought are not present in 405. I suspect
> we
> > > will be upgrading to 405 within the next month or so unless I
> find a
> > > problem that would prevent it.
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> <mailto:vantage%
> 40yahoogroups. com>] On
> > > Behalf Of Chris Robisch
> > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:48 AM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Does anyone recommend upgrade from
> 8.03.404A to
> > > 8.03.405?
> > >
> > > We've encountered MRP canceling jobs and PO's leaving negative
> balances
> > > in Time Phase 8.03.404B. It appears to be fixed in 405a, not 405,
> so
> > > we're going to start testing 405a heavily and go to it as quickly
> as
> > > possible.
> > >
> > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com><mailto: vantage%
> 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > "kayd.indaco" <kay.d@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We just upgraded from 8.03.305K to 8.03.404A this week and we
> are
> > > > having several issues. It appears several of our problems can be
> > > > resolved by going to 8.03.405. However, we would like to know if
> > > anyone
> > > > out there would recommend against this upgrade. We don't want to
> > > cause
> > > > more problems than are resolved.
> > > >
> > >
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Thanks Aaron and Rob!
Sharing this level of information is key to any user in this group
considering 405.
Much appreciated!!
Patty Buechler

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Aaron. Your willingness to take the time to document what
you've found to date re 405A will be very helpful to us as we've just
started testing 405.
>
> We are on 404 now (a disasterous quality release in my opinion) and
it won't take much of a nudge to make the decision to move to 405
UNLESS it introduces NEW significant bugs (as 404 did).
>
> A number of things you list we found to were already broken on 404
(and in a few case s- on 403):
>
> > .Labor Entry - doesn't create all transactions for a Job with Auto
> > Receive flag and different Demands.
> > .Labor Entry - Quantity Only and Fixed Quantity is not kept
entering
> > Scrap Quantity.
> > .Resource Scheduling Board - Load Level is leaving a gap between
> > operations.
> > .Resource Scheduling Board is displaying the jobs duplicated
> > .Scheduling Engine - Improperly scheduling finish to finish
> > operations when second resource has existing load in slot that
first
> > operation was scheduled in
> > .Time Phased Mtl Requirements - Time Phase Report ignores the date
> > specified in the field "Ignore If not needed by"
>
> I'm disturbed by the lack of documentation warning that
installation changes configuration settings - but knowing about it
(from you and others who have written of this) is sufficient to avoid
the problem.
>
> So far, I've found several compelling reasons to recommend the
upgrade:
>
> 1. The Calc Global Scheduling Order process now utilizes the
correct date (Req'd By date instead of last scheduled Due Date) and
now also applies each jobs Sched Code multiplier.
>
> 2. 404 job detail generation contains a serious bug which occurs
when generating a job for a part made up of multi-level phantom
structures. It results in creating multiple assembly level records
for each component (the number being dependent upon how 'deep' in the
multi-level BOM strucuture the component exists). Only the level 0
records have corresponding associations will all other pertinent job
mtl detail tables. The rest are trash and result in allocations for
the part being increased (each assy level record above zero
duplicating the allocation adder). We have a BAM which triggers
deletion of the errantly created assy level records - but allocations
are already inflated by then. A utility provided by support (to
recalc allocations) has proven unreliable.
>
> 405 no longer contains this significant bug.
>
> I'll share as I discover more and hope you (and others) do the
same. It is clear Epicor hasn't been able to scale up its support and
development groups to keep up with the growth their sales group has
succeeded in achieving.
>
> It will take them years to do so as, while it is easy to hire
progammers, they will not become innately familiar with the program
intent for some time to come (and few if any will have any
manufacturing USER background to guide their efforts).
>
> I think we are on our own for a while so, if we can help each other
by sharing discoveries, we will all benefit.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob Brown
>
> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Aaron Hoyt <aaron.hoyt@...> wrote:
>
> From: Aaron Hoyt <aaron.hoyt@...>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Does anyone recommend upgrade from
8.03.404A to 8.03.405?
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 5:26 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok, to that end, here are a few of the things I have run into...
> 1586269ESC MES - Records userID of last worker with an attached
userid,
> not the current user. This is recorded in the change log.
> 1586283ESC Customer Shipment Entry - when Memory Cache is checked
you
> cannot enter a new pack with the dropdown list.
> 3346280mps Invoice Entry - Can't create a new receipt line for a
receipt
> that was received via a receipt that has another po number in it's
> header. There is a workaround that we discovered but Epicor could
not
> offer any real assistance and the issue remains open.
> Not submitted - Receipt Tracker - Sometimes if you change the
vendor you
> are looking for by ID after having another selected the Pack Slip
search
> program will use the new ID and the old name and return no records.
> unknown Call# - Technical - Day one database tuned according to
> instruction in tuning guide. Day two during daily noon backup the
> database stopped authenticating users. Rejected anyone with a valid
> password. Would allow users access with cleared password until they
set
> their password and then no more access. Fixed with various tunning
> changes and required a reboot of the database.
> unknown call# - Quoting, had to remove "Prevent Changes" in Company
> config to allow changes to past Quotes.
> unknown call# - Job Entry, had to check "Global Reschedule Started
> Operations" to get scheduling to allow reschedule of started
operations
> again.
> 1589245ESC Menu Security - Permissions are all messed up. Did not
have
> a problem in 403D, but now Supervisor is in many deny groups and
the
> deny all users is not checked, no one can be added because the
> non-selected user list is empty. Fix provided.
> 1592135ESC - From Labor entry, a right click entry into Shop
Employee
> Entry returns all records not the one you want.
> 1592135ESC - StockStatus report has incorrect costs.
> 1592154ESC - BOL Generated from attached Misc Packing Slip will not
> print due to no customer information
> Not Submitted - System refuses to shut down sometimes. Unrelated to
> Backup, but can't figure just what the issue is.
> Not Submitted - Frequently have lockups with Vantage if left idle
and
> then started to be used again.
> 1592553ESC - User Maintenance, Company...If you assign an employee
ID to
> the user for the company you cannot remove it except by removing
the
> company record and then recreating the company access again.
> Not reported - Part Trans History shows Inspector ID as UserID not
the
> UserID of the person who entered the inspection information into
the
> computer. Errors can only be traced to person reported as Inspector
not
> actual entry person who more likely made the error.
> I hope this is more helpful. It's not a complete list, but it's
better
> than ranting I suppose.
> Aaron Hoyt
> Vantage Plastics
>
> bpbuechler wrote:
> >
> > I have been following this string as we are committed to upgrading
> > from to 405.
> >
> > What would be nice is if you take the time to warn people from a
> > certain service pack or patch...document the issues you reported.
I
> > am not looking for all the details, but if I knew what others
bumped
> > into, I might be more cautious and spend a little more time
testing
> > in that specific area.
> >
> > Here is what I know:
> > .AR Invoice Posting Process - AR Post process for AR Group is too
> > slow
> > .Credit Card - Tax included on Sales Order credit transaction is
> > omitted from deposit deducted on shipment causing credit card
> > overcharge.
> > .Customer Shipment Entry - Selecting "Shipped" checkbox after mass
> > shipment doubles update/validation which slows performance.
> > .Demand Entry - Creates Duplicated SO line releases in Job Manager
> > .Engineering Workbench - <Poor performance during Check In
process>
> > .Engineering Workbench <BOM with a CRC error produces a 4GL error>
> > .HH-CustomerShip - Packs for orders linked to jobs shipped with HH
> > do not show order line
> > .Information Worker Portal Views - Error message when
synchronizing
> > updated Tasks <TaskSeqNum' is constrained to be unique>
> > .Invoice Entry AR Report is not displaying the Advanced Billing
> > amount created before for the same order.
> > .Job Entry goes into an infinite loop changing subassembly parents
> > .Job Receipt to Inventory - Auto Receipt MFG-STK has $0 costs if
> > Backflush labor and material are done simultaneously.
> > .Labor Entry - Applied Labor and Burden not hitting proper G/L
> > Department set in Department
> > .Labor Entry - doesn't create all transactions for a Job with Auto
> > Receive flag and different Demands.
> > .Labor Entry - Quantity Only and Fixed Quantity is not kept
entering
> > Scrap Quantity.
> > .Material Request Queue - No Move record created when subcontract
> > operation is the final operation on the job
> > .Order Entry - Cannot change customer part number on sales order
> > .Order Entry - The application crashes when a Line field is
updated
> > twice and the user tabs out the field
> > .Packing Slip - PackSlip Report Data Definition does not contain
any
> > data from the OrderDtl table.
> > .Part Tracker - Object Reference not set to an instance when
publish
> > and subscribing with job manager
> > .Planning Workbench - is not generating the suggestions when the
> > dates are changed in SO entry.
> > .Process MRP - In a given circumstance using the reschedule deltas
> > will force MRP into performing an odd calculation
> > .Product Configurator - For the European number format, Product
> > Configurator does not handle On Leave triggers
> > .Product Configurator - Get details for configured subassembly
> > supplied from another plant not working correctly
> > .Product Configurator - Input based pricing not rolling up in
multi
> > level part where each level has its own configuration
> > .Purchase Order Entry - Multi-Company PO, Inconsistent use of test
> > for Purchase Type prompts
> > .Resource Scheduling Board - Load Level is leaving a gap between
> > operations.
> > .Resource Scheduling Board is displaying the jobs duplicated
> > .RFQ Entry - Sourcing sheet Date and Time fields validation.
> > .Scheduling - Scheduling s not choosing the best resource when
there
> > is an exception calendar.
> > .Scheduling Engine - Improperly scheduling finish to finish
> > operations when second resource has existing load in slot that
first
> > operation was scheduled in
> > .Time Phased Mtl Requirements - Time Phase Report ignores the date
> > specified in the field "Ignore If not needed by"
> > .Transfer Order Workbench - Creates one order from two suggestions
> > with different To Plants.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups.
com>,
> > Aaron Hoyt <aaron.hoyt@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > 405 is the worst patch I have experienced. Normally I see
> > personally a
> > > couple bugs per patch...I have personally recorded in excess of
20
> > on
> > > 405 so far and that does not include annoyances (2 so far were
> > > discovered while on the phone with support about another
issue).. I
> > > can't recommend 405 to anyone.
> > > 405A on the other hand has at least 2 fixes that I stumbled
upon in
> > > 405. Next to the inability to change customer part number in
order
> > > entry in 405, the inability to effectively change security until
> > 405a is
> > > enough of a reason to stay avoid 405 and go straight to 405a.
> > > I am being kept from 405a by month end until late tonight, but I
> > will
> > > apply that patch just to get off 405. Testing or not, we figure
it
> > > can't be worse than 405.
> > > If you can still get to 403d, that was a much better patch
IMHO. I
> > wish
> > > we could go back.
> > > Aaron Hoyt
> > > Vantage Plastics
> > >
> > > Charles Carden wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There are a lot of problems with all versions of 404. With our
> > testing
> > > > of 404 we elected skipped it entirely and wait for 405. It
does
> > appear
> > > > the problems that 404 brought are not present in 405. I
suspect
> > we
> > > > will be upgrading to 405 within the next month or so unless I
> > find a
> > > > problem that would prevent it.
> > > >
> > > > From: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups. com>
> > <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups. com>
> > <mailto:vantage%
> > 40yahoogroups. com>] On
> > > > Behalf Of Chris Robisch
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:48 AM
> > > > To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups.
com>
> > <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > Subject: [Vantage] Re: Does anyone recommend upgrade from
> > 8.03.404A to
> > > > 8.03.405?
> > > >
> > > > We've encountered MRP canceling jobs and PO's leaving negative
> > balances
> > > > in Time Phase 8.03.404B. It appears to be fixed in 405a, not
405,
> > so
> > > > we're going to start testing 405a heavily and go to it as
quickly
> > as
> > > > possible.
> > > >
> > > > --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com><mailto: vantage%
> > 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > "kayd.indaco" <kay.d@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We just upgraded from 8.03.305K to 8.03.404A this week and
we
> > are
> > > > > having several issues. It appears several of our problems
can be
> > > > > resolved by going to 8.03.405. However, we would like to
know if
> > > > anyone
> > > > > out there would recommend against this upgrade. We don't
want to
> > > > cause
> > > > > more problems than are resolved.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > DISCLAIMER:
> > > > This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential
> > and/or
> > > > proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or
> > entity
> > > > to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not
the
> > > > intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader
is
> > > > hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or
copying
> > of
> > > > this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in
> > error,
> > > > please notify the sender by replying to this message and
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