Fw: RE: Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade

Our experience is similar to yours. We rarely have more than 4-5
users on the system (pre-production). We have 325,000 parts, 3,000
open jobs, long BOMs and BOLs. When we go live, we'll have around
200 concurrent users.

We estimate that MRP on our system would take over a week to finish
but we haven't had the time to wait for it. The good news is that
Epicor is delivering a dramatically faster MRP soon. We also see
similarly unacceptable performance from Stock Status and Inventory
WIP Reconcilliation - both also soon to be replace by faster
versions.

I agree that record counts have a big impact on performance but I'm
also concerned that a large number of concurrent users will make
things much worse.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jrlabore" <jrlabore@...> wrote:
>
> Yes - 100 active users is correct. We don't think the number of
users
> is the major problem - it is the size of our active database -
55,000
> active parts - 5000 active jobs - very long BOM's - lots of ECO's.
> The level of activity therefore is very high. Plus we run a lot
> of "what if's" on schedule and these reports/processes clearly
load
> down the system. It appears to us that server size and
configuration
> is driven by a complex set of factors - number of users only being
> one of them and perhaps not the major one.
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Barry" <mbarry@> wrote:
> >
> > Please correct me if I'm wrong but I remember you saying that
this
> system is
> > supporting 100 active users? If so, the implication is that in
> order to
> > obtain acceptable performance you would need 1 core for every
12.5
> users?
> > Also, have you done anything to optimize the OE10B database like
> increased
> > the APW's or setup data clusters?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of
> > jrlabore
> > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:12 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> >
> > The following configuration cost us about $18K -
> >
> > Dell Power Edge 6800
> > 4 – 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
> > 8 GB RAM Memory
> > 8 – 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays Microsoft
> Windows 2003
> > Server Enterprise Edition
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, ron.robinson@ wrote:
> > >
> > > See specifications below.
> > >
> > > Ron Robinson
> > > Director of Purchasing
> > > LI-COR Biosciences
> > >
> > > Phone: 402-467-0606
> > > FAX: 402-467-0867
> > > Email: ron.robinson@
> > > Web: www.licor.com
> > > ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:39 AM -
---
> -
> > >
> > > Brian Middendorf/Li-cor
> > > 05/19/2006 09:32 AM
> > >
> > > To
> > > Ron Robinson/Li-cor@Li-cor
> > > cc
> > > Denny Bede/Li-cor@Li-cor
> > > Subject
> > > Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > We will be running off of four servers and a SAN for storage.
> > Here's the
> > > breakdown:
> > >
> > > Server 1 (Vantage V8 Server): Windows 2003 Enterprise, Dell
> > PowerEdge
> > > 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 8GB RAM, Mirrored 72GB SCSI
> Hard
> > Drives
> > > Server 2 (SQL Server 2000/Cognos BI Server): Windows 2003
> > Standard, Dell
> > > PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored
> 36GB
> > SCSI
> > > Hard Drives
> > > Server 3 (Applications Server (i.e. AdvanceWare)): Windows
2003
> > Standard,
> > > Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM,
> Mirrored
> > 36GB
> > > SCSI Hard Drives
> > > Server 4 (Web Server (i.e. ServiceConnect, CustomerConnect)):
> > Windows 2003
> > > Standard, Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 2GB
> > RAM,
> > > Mirrored 36GB SCSI Hard Drives
> > > SAN Storage: Dell/EMC CX300, 200GB dedicated Fiber Storage for
> > Vantage V8
> > > and SQL Server DB data
> > >
> > > Hope this helps,
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Brian Middendorf
> > > Information Systems Administrator
> > > LI-COR Biosciences, Inc.
> > > (402) 467-0767 | Office-Direct
> > > (800) 645-4267 | Toll-Free
> > > brian.middendorf@ | E-mail
> > > www.licor.com | Website
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron Robinson/Li-cor
> > > 05/19/2006 09:17 AM
> > >
> > > To
> > > Brian Middendorf/Li-cor@Li-cor
> > > cc
> > >
> > > Subject
> > > Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > FYI, see info below.
> > >
> > > Would you mind providing the specifications for the server
> > configuration
> > > that we will run Vantage on. I would like to share with Todd @
> > Harvey
> > > Vogel. Thanks!
> > >
> > > Ron Robinson
> > > Director of Purchasing
> > > LI-COR Biosciences
> > >
> > > Phone: 402-467-0606
> > > FAX: 402-467-0867
> > > Email: ron.robinson@
> > > Web: www.licor.com
> > > ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:16 AM -
---
> -
> > >
> > > "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@>
> > > Sent by: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > 05/19/2006 09:11 AM
> > > Please respond to
> > > vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > > To
> > > <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> > > cc
> > >
> > > Subject
> > > [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am soon going to make a study of V8 benefits and the
anticipated
> > costs,
> > > including hardware. Would you mind posting roughly what it
cost
> > for your
> > > new server? I am anticipating growing to 50 users and 2-3GB
of DB
> > so it
> > > might be considerable overkill but having an upper limit would
be
> > very
> > > handy. I have been ball parking $20K for server, storage and
> some
> > > management software.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Todd C.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On
> > Behalf Of
> > > jrlabore
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:25 PM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> > >
> > >
> > > We made an upgrade to our server about a month ago to support
a
> > > Vantage 8.0 deployment. Had a significant impact on
performance.
> > > Several people wanted more details - here is a summary.
> > >
> > > Original Vantage Server
> > >
> > > IBM eServer xSeries 335
> > > 2 - 3.06 GHz Intel Xeon Processors with Hyperthreading Enabled
> > > 4 GB RAM Memory
> > > 2 - 70 GB SCSI Hard Drives in RAID 1 Configuration Microsoft
> Windows
> > > Server 2000
> > >
> > > Everything was incredibly slow on this server and it had to be
> > > rebooted at least a couple of times a day. We are now using
this
> > as
> > > test server. We had hoped that reinstalling this server we
allow
> > it
> > > to function as a backup server also but it has become obvious
that
> > we
> > > can not function while running Vantage on this hardware.
> > >
> > > New Vantage Server
> > >
> > > Dell Power Edge 6800
> > > 4 - 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
> > > 8 GB RAM Memory
> > > 8 - 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays Microsoft
> Windows
> > > 2003 Server Enterprise Edition
> > >
> > > This server has increased the performance of several aspects
of
> > > Vantage. MRP functions process much faster and the garner
usage
> is
> > > better. The server has enough hardware resources to handle
> periods of
> > > heavy usage that forced us to reboot the original server.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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See specifications below.

Ron Robinson
Director of Purchasing
LI-COR Biosciences

Phone: 402-467-0606
FAX: 402-467-0867
Email: ron.robinson@...
Web: www.licor.com
----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:39 AM -----

Brian Middendorf/Li-cor
05/19/2006 09:32 AM

To
Ron Robinson/Li-cor@Li-cor
cc
Denny Bede/Li-cor@Li-cor
Subject
Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade





Ron,

We will be running off of four servers and a SAN for storage. Here's the
breakdown:

Server 1 (Vantage V8 Server): Windows 2003 Enterprise, Dell PowerEdge
1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 8GB RAM, Mirrored 72GB SCSI Hard Drives
Server 2 (SQL Server 2000/Cognos BI Server): Windows 2003 Standard, Dell
PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored 36GB SCSI
Hard Drives
Server 3 (Applications Server (i.e. AdvanceWare)): Windows 2003 Standard,
Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored 36GB
SCSI Hard Drives
Server 4 (Web Server (i.e. ServiceConnect, CustomerConnect)): Windows 2003
Standard, Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 2GB RAM,
Mirrored 36GB SCSI Hard Drives
SAN Storage: Dell/EMC CX300, 200GB dedicated Fiber Storage for Vantage V8
and SQL Server DB data

Hope this helps,
Brian


------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Middendorf
Information Systems Administrator
LI-COR Biosciences, Inc.
(402) 467-0767 | Office-Direct
(800) 645-4267 | Toll-Free
brian.middendorf@... | E-mail
www.licor.com | Website
------------------------------------------------------------



Ron Robinson/Li-cor
05/19/2006 09:17 AM

To
Brian Middendorf/Li-cor@Li-cor
cc

Subject
Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade





FYI, see info below.

Would you mind providing the specifications for the server configuration
that we will run Vantage on. I would like to share with Todd @ Harvey
Vogel. Thanks!

Ron Robinson
Director of Purchasing
LI-COR Biosciences

Phone: 402-467-0606
FAX: 402-467-0867
Email: ron.robinson@...
Web: www.licor.com
----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:16 AM -----

"Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...>
Sent by: vantage@yahoogroups.com
05/19/2006 09:11 AM
Please respond to
vantage@yahoogroups.com


To
<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
cc

Subject
[SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade






I am soon going to make a study of V8 benefits and the anticipated costs,
including hardware. Would you mind posting roughly what it cost for your
new server? I am anticipating growing to 50 users and 2-3GB of DB so it
might be considerable overkill but having an upper limit would be very
handy. I have been ball parking $20K for server, storage and some
management software.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
jrlabore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade


We made an upgrade to our server about a month ago to support a
Vantage 8.0 deployment. Had a significant impact on performance.
Several people wanted more details - here is a summary.

Original Vantage Server

IBM eServer xSeries 335
2 - 3.06 GHz Intel Xeon Processors with Hyperthreading Enabled
4 GB RAM Memory
2 - 70 GB SCSI Hard Drives in RAID 1 Configuration
Microsoft Windows Server 2000

Everything was incredibly slow on this server and it had to be
rebooted at least a couple of times a day. We are now using this as
test server. We had hoped that reinstalling this server we allow it
to function as a backup server also but it has become obvious that we
can not function while running Vantage on this hardware.

New Vantage Server

Dell Power Edge 6800
4 - 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
8 GB RAM Memory
8 - 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays
Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Enterprise Edition

This server has increased the performance of several aspects of
Vantage. MRP functions process much faster and the garner usage is
better. The server has enough hardware resources to handle periods
of heavy usage that forced us to reboot the original server.









Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links




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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links



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The following configuration cost us about $18K -

Dell Power Edge 6800
4 – 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
8 GB RAM Memory
8 – 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays
Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Enterprise Edition



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, ron.robinson@... wrote:
>
> See specifications below.
>
> Ron Robinson
> Director of Purchasing
> LI-COR Biosciences
>
> Phone: 402-467-0606
> FAX: 402-467-0867
> Email: ron.robinson@...
> Web: www.licor.com
> ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:39 AM -----
>
> Brian Middendorf/Li-cor
> 05/19/2006 09:32 AM
>
> To
> Ron Robinson/Li-cor@Li-cor
> cc
> Denny Bede/Li-cor@Li-cor
> Subject
> Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
>
>
>
> Ron,
>
> We will be running off of four servers and a SAN for storage.
Here's the
> breakdown:
>
> Server 1 (Vantage V8 Server): Windows 2003 Enterprise, Dell
PowerEdge
> 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 8GB RAM, Mirrored 72GB SCSI Hard
Drives
> Server 2 (SQL Server 2000/Cognos BI Server): Windows 2003
Standard, Dell
> PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored 36GB
SCSI
> Hard Drives
> Server 3 (Applications Server (i.e. AdvanceWare)): Windows 2003
Standard,
> Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored
36GB
> SCSI Hard Drives
> Server 4 (Web Server (i.e. ServiceConnect, CustomerConnect)):
Windows 2003
> Standard, Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 2GB
RAM,
> Mirrored 36GB SCSI Hard Drives
> SAN Storage: Dell/EMC CX300, 200GB dedicated Fiber Storage for
Vantage V8
> and SQL Server DB data
>
> Hope this helps,
> Brian
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Brian Middendorf
> Information Systems Administrator
> LI-COR Biosciences, Inc.
> (402) 467-0767 | Office-Direct
> (800) 645-4267 | Toll-Free
> brian.middendorf@... | E-mail
> www.licor.com | Website
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Ron Robinson/Li-cor
> 05/19/2006 09:17 AM
>
> To
> Brian Middendorf/Li-cor@Li-cor
> cc
>
> Subject
> Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
>
>
>
> FYI, see info below.
>
> Would you mind providing the specifications for the server
configuration
> that we will run Vantage on. I would like to share with Todd @
Harvey
> Vogel. Thanks!
>
> Ron Robinson
> Director of Purchasing
> LI-COR Biosciences
>
> Phone: 402-467-0606
> FAX: 402-467-0867
> Email: ron.robinson@...
> Web: www.licor.com
> ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:16 AM -----
>
> "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...>
> Sent by: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> 05/19/2006 09:11 AM
> Please respond to
> vantage@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> To
> <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> cc
>
> Subject
> [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am soon going to make a study of V8 benefits and the anticipated
costs,
> including hardware. Would you mind posting roughly what it cost
for your
> new server? I am anticipating growing to 50 users and 2-3GB of DB
so it
> might be considerable overkill but having an upper limit would be
very
> handy. I have been ball parking $20K for server, storage and some
> management software.
>
> Thanks,
> -Todd C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> jrlabore
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:25 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
> We made an upgrade to our server about a month ago to support a
> Vantage 8.0 deployment. Had a significant impact on performance.
> Several people wanted more details - here is a summary.
>
> Original Vantage Server
>
> IBM eServer xSeries 335
> 2 - 3.06 GHz Intel Xeon Processors with Hyperthreading Enabled
> 4 GB RAM Memory
> 2 - 70 GB SCSI Hard Drives in RAID 1 Configuration
> Microsoft Windows Server 2000
>
> Everything was incredibly slow on this server and it had to be
> rebooted at least a couple of times a day. We are now using this
as
> test server. We had hoped that reinstalling this server we allow
it
> to function as a backup server also but it has become obvious that
we
> can not function while running Vantage on this hardware.
>
> New Vantage Server
>
> Dell Power Edge 6800
> 4 - 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
> 8 GB RAM Memory
> 8 - 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays
> Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Enterprise Edition
>
> This server has increased the performance of several aspects of
> Vantage. MRP functions process much faster and the garner usage is
> better. The server has enough hardware resources to handle periods
> of heavy usage that forced us to reboot the original server.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Manufacturing <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+
database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+softwa
re&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+software&c=6&
s=188&.sig=OG5F3819UOUOg63i0bu6kA
> > software Membership <http://group
> s.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membe
rship+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+
software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+softwar
e&c=6&s=188&.sig=N5BGdur84p-jyuOomcQdbQ
> > database software Database <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Members
hip+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+so
ftware&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+software&
c=6&s=188&.sig=8rvcSQnCqJhTCZu-0Si39A
> > mortgage software
> Pda <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+d
atabase+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+softwar
e&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+software&c=6&s
=188&.sig=u3KQrTRPAQfsWIT39aHDkg
> > database software Database <http://groups.yah
> oo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membe
rship+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+
software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+softwar
e&c=6&s=188&.sig=R3CF3ODPY4gwjDZjykQYvw
> > management software Database <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Member
ship+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+s
oftware&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+software
&c=6&s=188&.sig=lmBkRUiBtvHI1u5dkymDcw
> > marketing software
>
> _____
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
>
>
> * Visit your group " vantage
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage>
> " on the web.
>
>
> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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Service
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>
>
> _____
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Manufacturing software
> Membership database software
> Database mortgage software
> Pda database software
> Database management software
> Database marketing software
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> Visit your group "vantage" on the web.
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> vantage-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Joe,

How many users / Data collections are you supporting with this server?



Chris Crosta



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jrlabore
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade



The following configuration cost us about $18K -

Dell Power Edge 6800
4 - 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
8 GB RAM Memory
8 - 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays
Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Enterprise Edition



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, ron.robinson@... wrote:
>
> See specifications below.
>
> Ron Robinson
> Director of Purchasing
> LI-COR Biosciences
>
> Phone: 402-467-0606
> FAX: 402-467-0867
> Email: ron.robinson@...
> Web: www.licor.com
> ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:39 AM -----
>
> Brian Middendorf/Li-cor
> 05/19/2006 09:32 AM
>
> To
> Ron Robinson/Li-cor@Li-cor
> cc
> Denny Bede/Li-cor@Li-cor
> Subject
> Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
>
>
>
> Ron,
>
> We will be running off of four servers and a SAN for storage.
Here's the
> breakdown:
>
> Server 1 (Vantage V8 Server): Windows 2003 Enterprise, Dell
PowerEdge
> 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 8GB RAM, Mirrored 72GB SCSI Hard
Drives
> Server 2 (SQL Server 2000/Cognos BI Server): Windows 2003
Standard, Dell
> PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored 36GB
SCSI
> Hard Drives
> Server 3 (Applications Server (i.e. AdvanceWare)): Windows 2003
Standard,
> Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored
36GB
> SCSI Hard Drives
> Server 4 (Web Server (i.e. ServiceConnect, CustomerConnect)):
Windows 2003
> Standard, Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 2GB
RAM,
> Mirrored 36GB SCSI Hard Drives
> SAN Storage: Dell/EMC CX300, 200GB dedicated Fiber Storage for
Vantage V8
> and SQL Server DB data
>
> Hope this helps,
> Brian
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Brian Middendorf
> Information Systems Administrator
> LI-COR Biosciences, Inc.
> (402) 467-0767 | Office-Direct
> (800) 645-4267 | Toll-Free
> brian.middendorf@... | E-mail
> www.licor.com | Website
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Ron Robinson/Li-cor
> 05/19/2006 09:17 AM
>
> To
> Brian Middendorf/Li-cor@Li-cor
> cc
>
> Subject
> Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
>
>
>
> FYI, see info below.
>
> Would you mind providing the specifications for the server
configuration
> that we will run Vantage on. I would like to share with Todd @
Harvey
> Vogel. Thanks!
>
> Ron Robinson
> Director of Purchasing
> LI-COR Biosciences
>
> Phone: 402-467-0606
> FAX: 402-467-0867
> Email: ron.robinson@...
> Web: www.licor.com
> ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:16 AM -----
>
> "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...>
> Sent by: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> 05/19/2006 09:11 AM
> Please respond to
> vantage@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> To
> <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> cc
>
> Subject
> [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am soon going to make a study of V8 benefits and the anticipated
costs,
> including hardware. Would you mind posting roughly what it cost
for your
> new server? I am anticipating growing to 50 users and 2-3GB of DB
so it
> might be considerable overkill but having an upper limit would be
very
> handy. I have been ball parking $20K for server, storage and some
> management software.
>
> Thanks,
> -Todd C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> jrlabore
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:25 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
> We made an upgrade to our server about a month ago to support a
> Vantage 8.0 deployment. Had a significant impact on performance.
> Several people wanted more details - here is a summary.
>
> Original Vantage Server
>
> IBM eServer xSeries 335
> 2 - 3.06 GHz Intel Xeon Processors with Hyperthreading Enabled
> 4 GB RAM Memory
> 2 - 70 GB SCSI Hard Drives in RAID 1 Configuration
> Microsoft Windows Server 2000
>
> Everything was incredibly slow on this server and it had to be
> rebooted at least a couple of times a day. We are now using this
as
> test server. We had hoped that reinstalling this server we allow
it
> to function as a backup server also but it has become obvious that
we
> can not function while running Vantage on this hardware.
>
> New Vantage Server
>
> Dell Power Edge 6800
> 4 - 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
> 8 GB RAM Memory
> 8 - 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays
> Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Enterprise Edition
>
> This server has increased the performance of several aspects of
> Vantage. MRP functions process much faster and the garner usage is
> better. The server has enough hardware resources to handle periods
> of heavy usage that forced us to reboot the original server.



_____



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I remember you saying that this system is
supporting 100 active users? If so, the implication is that in order to
obtain acceptable performance you would need 1 core for every 12.5 users?
Also, have you done anything to optimize the OE10B database like increased
the APW's or setup data clusters?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
jrlabore
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:12 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade

The following configuration cost us about $18K -

Dell Power Edge 6800
4 – 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
8 GB RAM Memory
8 – 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays Microsoft Windows 2003
Server Enterprise Edition



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, ron.robinson@... wrote:
>
> See specifications below.
>
> Ron Robinson
> Director of Purchasing
> LI-COR Biosciences
>
> Phone: 402-467-0606
> FAX: 402-467-0867
> Email: ron.robinson@...
> Web: www.licor.com
> ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:39 AM -----
>
> Brian Middendorf/Li-cor
> 05/19/2006 09:32 AM
>
> To
> Ron Robinson/Li-cor@Li-cor
> cc
> Denny Bede/Li-cor@Li-cor
> Subject
> Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
>
>
>
> Ron,
>
> We will be running off of four servers and a SAN for storage.
Here's the
> breakdown:
>
> Server 1 (Vantage V8 Server): Windows 2003 Enterprise, Dell
PowerEdge
> 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 8GB RAM, Mirrored 72GB SCSI Hard
Drives
> Server 2 (SQL Server 2000/Cognos BI Server): Windows 2003
Standard, Dell
> PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored 36GB
SCSI
> Hard Drives
> Server 3 (Applications Server (i.e. AdvanceWare)): Windows 2003
Standard,
> Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored
36GB
> SCSI Hard Drives
> Server 4 (Web Server (i.e. ServiceConnect, CustomerConnect)):
Windows 2003
> Standard, Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 2GB
RAM,
> Mirrored 36GB SCSI Hard Drives
> SAN Storage: Dell/EMC CX300, 200GB dedicated Fiber Storage for
Vantage V8
> and SQL Server DB data
>
> Hope this helps,
> Brian
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Brian Middendorf
> Information Systems Administrator
> LI-COR Biosciences, Inc.
> (402) 467-0767 | Office-Direct
> (800) 645-4267 | Toll-Free
> brian.middendorf@... | E-mail
> www.licor.com | Website
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Ron Robinson/Li-cor
> 05/19/2006 09:17 AM
>
> To
> Brian Middendorf/Li-cor@Li-cor
> cc
>
> Subject
> Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
>
>
>
> FYI, see info below.
>
> Would you mind providing the specifications for the server
configuration
> that we will run Vantage on. I would like to share with Todd @
Harvey
> Vogel. Thanks!
>
> Ron Robinson
> Director of Purchasing
> LI-COR Biosciences
>
> Phone: 402-467-0606
> FAX: 402-467-0867
> Email: ron.robinson@...
> Web: www.licor.com
> ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:16 AM -----
>
> "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@...>
> Sent by: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> 05/19/2006 09:11 AM
> Please respond to
> vantage@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> To
> <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> cc
>
> Subject
> [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am soon going to make a study of V8 benefits and the anticipated
costs,
> including hardware. Would you mind posting roughly what it cost
for your
> new server? I am anticipating growing to 50 users and 2-3GB of DB
so it
> might be considerable overkill but having an upper limit would be
very
> handy. I have been ball parking $20K for server, storage and some
> management software.
>
> Thanks,
> -Todd C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> jrlabore
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:25 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
> We made an upgrade to our server about a month ago to support a
> Vantage 8.0 deployment. Had a significant impact on performance.
> Several people wanted more details - here is a summary.
>
> Original Vantage Server
>
> IBM eServer xSeries 335
> 2 - 3.06 GHz Intel Xeon Processors with Hyperthreading Enabled
> 4 GB RAM Memory
> 2 - 70 GB SCSI Hard Drives in RAID 1 Configuration Microsoft Windows
> Server 2000
>
> Everything was incredibly slow on this server and it had to be
> rebooted at least a couple of times a day. We are now using this
as
> test server. We had hoped that reinstalling this server we allow
it
> to function as a backup server also but it has become obvious that
we
> can not function while running Vantage on this hardware.
>
> New Vantage Server
>
> Dell Power Edge 6800
> 4 - 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
> 8 GB RAM Memory
> 8 - 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays Microsoft Windows
> 2003 Server Enterprise Edition
>
> This server has increased the performance of several aspects of
> Vantage. MRP functions process much faster and the garner usage is
> better. The server has enough hardware resources to handle periods of
> heavy usage that forced us to reboot the original server.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Manufacturing <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+
database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+softwa
re&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+software&c=6&
s=188&.sig=OG5F3819UOUOg63i0bu6kA
> > software Membership <http://group
> s.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membe
rship+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+
software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+softwar
e&c=6&s=188&.sig=N5BGdur84p-jyuOomcQdbQ
> > database software Database <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Members
hip+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+so
ftware&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+software&
c=6&s=188&.sig=8rvcSQnCqJhTCZu-0Si39A
> > mortgage software
> Pda <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membership+d
atabase+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+softwar
e&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+software&c=6&s
=188&.sig=u3KQrTRPAQfsWIT39aHDkg
> > database software Database <http://groups.yah
> oo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Membe
rship+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+
software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+softwar
e&c=6&s=188&.sig=R3CF3ODPY4gwjDZjykQYvw
> > management software Database <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Manufacturing+software&w2=Member
ship+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+software&w4=Pda+database+s
oftware&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+marketing+software
&c=6&s=188&.sig=lmBkRUiBtvHI1u5dkymDcw
> > marketing software
>
> _____
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
>
>
> * Visit your group " vantage
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage>
> " on the web.
>
>
> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> vantage-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <
> mailto:vantage-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
>
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> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>
>
> _____
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Manufacturing software
> Membership database software
> Database mortgage software
> Pda database software
> Database management software
> Database marketing software
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
> Visit your group "vantage" on the web.
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> vantage-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Yes - 100 active users is correct. We don't think the number of users
is the major problem - it is the size of our active database - 55,000
active parts - 5000 active jobs - very long BOM's - lots of ECO's.
The level of activity therefore is very high. Plus we run a lot
of "what if's" on schedule and these reports/processes clearly load
down the system. It appears to us that server size and configuration
is driven by a complex set of factors - number of users only being
one of them and perhaps not the major one.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Barry" <mbarry@...> wrote:
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong but I remember you saying that this
system is
> supporting 100 active users? If so, the implication is that in
order to
> obtain acceptable performance you would need 1 core for every 12.5
users?
> Also, have you done anything to optimize the OE10B database like
increased
> the APW's or setup data clusters?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> jrlabore
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:12 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
> The following configuration cost us about $18K -
>
> Dell Power Edge 6800
> 4 – 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
> 8 GB RAM Memory
> 8 – 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays Microsoft
Windows 2003
> Server Enterprise Edition
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, ron.robinson@ wrote:
> >
> > See specifications below.
> >
> > Ron Robinson
> > Director of Purchasing
> > LI-COR Biosciences
> >
> > Phone: 402-467-0606
> > FAX: 402-467-0867
> > Email: ron.robinson@
> > Web: www.licor.com
> > ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:39 AM ----
-
> >
> > Brian Middendorf/Li-cor
> > 05/19/2006 09:32 AM
> >
> > To
> > Ron Robinson/Li-cor@Li-cor
> > cc
> > Denny Bede/Li-cor@Li-cor
> > Subject
> > Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > We will be running off of four servers and a SAN for storage.
> Here's the
> > breakdown:
> >
> > Server 1 (Vantage V8 Server): Windows 2003 Enterprise, Dell
> PowerEdge
> > 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 8GB RAM, Mirrored 72GB SCSI
Hard
> Drives
> > Server 2 (SQL Server 2000/Cognos BI Server): Windows 2003
> Standard, Dell
> > PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored
36GB
> SCSI
> > Hard Drives
> > Server 3 (Applications Server (i.e. AdvanceWare)): Windows 2003
> Standard,
> > Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM,
Mirrored
> 36GB
> > SCSI Hard Drives
> > Server 4 (Web Server (i.e. ServiceConnect, CustomerConnect)):
> Windows 2003
> > Standard, Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 2GB
> RAM,
> > Mirrored 36GB SCSI Hard Drives
> > SAN Storage: Dell/EMC CX300, 200GB dedicated Fiber Storage for
> Vantage V8
> > and SQL Server DB data
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Brian Middendorf
> > Information Systems Administrator
> > LI-COR Biosciences, Inc.
> > (402) 467-0767 | Office-Direct
> > (800) 645-4267 | Toll-Free
> > brian.middendorf@ | E-mail
> > www.licor.com | Website
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Robinson/Li-cor
> > 05/19/2006 09:17 AM
> >
> > To
> > Brian Middendorf/Li-cor@Li-cor
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
> > Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > FYI, see info below.
> >
> > Would you mind providing the specifications for the server
> configuration
> > that we will run Vantage on. I would like to share with Todd @
> Harvey
> > Vogel. Thanks!
> >
> > Ron Robinson
> > Director of Purchasing
> > LI-COR Biosciences
> >
> > Phone: 402-467-0606
> > FAX: 402-467-0867
> > Email: ron.robinson@
> > Web: www.licor.com
> > ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:16 AM ----
-
> >
> > "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@>
> > Sent by: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > 05/19/2006 09:11 AM
> > Please respond to
> > vantage@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > To
> > <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
> > [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am soon going to make a study of V8 benefits and the anticipated
> costs,
> > including hardware. Would you mind posting roughly what it cost
> for your
> > new server? I am anticipating growing to 50 users and 2-3GB of DB
> so it
> > might be considerable overkill but having an upper limit would be
> very
> > handy. I have been ball parking $20K for server, storage and
some
> > management software.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Todd C.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of
> > jrlabore
> > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:25 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> >
> >
> > We made an upgrade to our server about a month ago to support a
> > Vantage 8.0 deployment. Had a significant impact on performance.
> > Several people wanted more details - here is a summary.
> >
> > Original Vantage Server
> >
> > IBM eServer xSeries 335
> > 2 - 3.06 GHz Intel Xeon Processors with Hyperthreading Enabled
> > 4 GB RAM Memory
> > 2 - 70 GB SCSI Hard Drives in RAID 1 Configuration Microsoft
Windows
> > Server 2000
> >
> > Everything was incredibly slow on this server and it had to be
> > rebooted at least a couple of times a day. We are now using this
> as
> > test server. We had hoped that reinstalling this server we allow
> it
> > to function as a backup server also but it has become obvious that
> we
> > can not function while running Vantage on this hardware.
> >
> > New Vantage Server
> >
> > Dell Power Edge 6800
> > 4 - 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
> > 8 GB RAM Memory
> > 8 - 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays Microsoft
Windows
> > 2003 Server Enterprise Edition
> >
> > This server has increased the performance of several aspects of
> > Vantage. MRP functions process much faster and the garner usage
is
> > better. The server has enough hardware resources to handle
periods of
> > heavy usage that forced us to reboot the original server.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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100 users - 55,000 active parts - 5000 plus open jobs - 5500 hundred
assembly types with average BOM lenght of 50-100 parts and lots of
ECO's - we are not a "light" user.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Crosta" <chris@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> How many users / Data collections are you supporting with this
server?
>
>
>
> Chris Crosta
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of jrlabore
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:12 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
>
>
>
> The following configuration cost us about $18K -
>
> Dell Power Edge 6800
> 4 - 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
> 8 GB RAM Memory
> 8 - 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays
> Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Enterprise Edition
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, ron.robinson@ wrote:
> >
> > See specifications below.
> >
> > Ron Robinson
> > Director of Purchasing
> > LI-COR Biosciences
> >
> > Phone: 402-467-0606
> > FAX: 402-467-0867
> > Email: ron.robinson@
> > Web: www.licor.com
> > ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:39 AM ----
-
> >
> > Brian Middendorf/Li-cor
> > 05/19/2006 09:32 AM
> >
> > To
> > Ron Robinson/Li-cor@Li-cor
> > cc
> > Denny Bede/Li-cor@Li-cor
> > Subject
> > Re: Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > We will be running off of four servers and a SAN for storage.
> Here's the
> > breakdown:
> >
> > Server 1 (Vantage V8 Server): Windows 2003 Enterprise, Dell
> PowerEdge
> > 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 8GB RAM, Mirrored 72GB SCSI
Hard
> Drives
> > Server 2 (SQL Server 2000/Cognos BI Server): Windows 2003
> Standard, Dell
> > PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM, Mirrored
36GB
> SCSI
> > Hard Drives
> > Server 3 (Applications Server (i.e. AdvanceWare)): Windows 2003
> Standard,
> > Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 4GB RAM,
Mirrored
> 36GB
> > SCSI Hard Drives
> > Server 4 (Web Server (i.e. ServiceConnect, CustomerConnect)):
> Windows 2003
> > Standard, Dell PowerEdge 1850, Dual Xeon 3.6GHz Processors, 2GB
> RAM,
> > Mirrored 36GB SCSI Hard Drives
> > SAN Storage: Dell/EMC CX300, 200GB dedicated Fiber Storage for
> Vantage V8
> > and SQL Server DB data
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Brian Middendorf
> > Information Systems Administrator
> > LI-COR Biosciences, Inc.
> > (402) 467-0767 | Office-Direct
> > (800) 645-4267 | Toll-Free
> > brian.middendorf@ | E-mail
> > www.licor.com | Website
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Robinson/Li-cor
> > 05/19/2006 09:17 AM
> >
> > To
> > Brian Middendorf/Li-cor@Li-cor
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
> > Fw: [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > FYI, see info below.
> >
> > Would you mind providing the specifications for the server
> configuration
> > that we will run Vantage on. I would like to share with Todd @
> Harvey
> > Vogel. Thanks!
> >
> > Ron Robinson
> > Director of Purchasing
> > LI-COR Biosciences
> >
> > Phone: 402-467-0606
> > FAX: 402-467-0867
> > Email: ron.robinson@
> > Web: www.licor.com
> > ----- Forwarded by Ron Robinson/Li-cor on 05/19/2006 09:16 AM ----
-
> >
> > "Todd Caughey" <caugheyt@>
> > Sent by: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > 05/19/2006 09:11 AM
> > Please respond to
> > vantage@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > To
> > <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
> > [SPAM] RE: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am soon going to make a study of V8 benefits and the
anticipated
> costs,
> > including hardware. Would you mind posting roughly what it cost
> for your
> > new server? I am anticipating growing to 50 users and 2-3GB of
DB
> so it
> > might be considerable overkill but having an upper limit would be
> very
> > handy. I have been ball parking $20K for server, storage and
some
> > management software.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Todd C.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of
> > jrlabore
> > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:25 PM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Vantage 8.0 Server Upgrade
> >
> >
> > We made an upgrade to our server about a month ago to support a
> > Vantage 8.0 deployment. Had a significant impact on performance.
> > Several people wanted more details - here is a summary.
> >
> > Original Vantage Server
> >
> > IBM eServer xSeries 335
> > 2 - 3.06 GHz Intel Xeon Processors with Hyperthreading Enabled
> > 4 GB RAM Memory
> > 2 - 70 GB SCSI Hard Drives in RAID 1 Configuration
> > Microsoft Windows Server 2000
> >
> > Everything was incredibly slow on this server and it had to be
> > rebooted at least a couple of times a day. We are now using this
> as
> > test server. We had hoped that reinstalling this server we allow
> it
> > to function as a backup server also but it has become obvious
that
> we
> > can not function while running Vantage on this hardware.
> >
> > New Vantage Server
> >
> > Dell Power Edge 6800
> > 4 - 2.66 GHz Dual Core Xeon Processors Hyperthreading Enabled
> > 8 GB RAM Memory
> > 8 - 146 GB SCSI Hard Drives in 2, 0 +1 RAID Arrays
> > Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Enterprise Edition
> >
> > This server has increased the performance of several aspects of
> > Vantage. MRP functions process much faster and the garner usage
is
> > better. The server has enough hardware resources to handle
periods
> > of heavy usage that forced us to reboot the original server.
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>