that was a fun one to build. I think I did a version of that like 15+ years ago.
I love how these threads take a turn, its now about legos 
Important things are important.
Need to change the title of this thread to โVan Gogh, Jose & Kerrie discussing On-Prem - And other Lego Discussionsโ
Fixed it
We had a meeting so I missed the last 10min or so of the podcast. Last question I heard but not the answers was the one about Steveโs Insights comment two years agoโฆ
Basically didnโt believe Steve was lying at the time. Times change and here we are now.
When the host was asking the question as I shut down the tab that was my first thought as the answer weโd get. Literally thought, โWell that was then and this is nowโ Granted I believe ownership of Epicor has changed hands since then soโฆ 
50:15. Can listen and make your own judgement.
I was curious about this, because last company I worked for was bought/started a partnership company by the same VC that owned Epicor.
Looks like another VC bought into it and them/previous owner started a partnership overseeing it, according to this press release in August 2024:
I answered that mostly not Kerrie,
I genuinely do not believe Steve was being disingenuous at the time. I think he meant what he said based on the reality then. The hard truth is that he is ultimately accountable to shareholders and investors, and when ownership or financial expectations change, leadership either adapts or gets replaced. That is just how this works, whether we like it or not.
Times also change very quickly in this industry. Two years ago was effectively a different technology era.
It is also worth keeping perspective. Nothing is actually changing operationally for at least another two years, they are letting us know in advance.
I am not sure there is much value in dwelling on past statements or escalating frustration around them.
The more productive conversatin is around how do we solve the issue going forward, and I threw Steve some grace
Exactly what I was thinking too. He wasnโt lying at the time itโs just that new directives have emerged as both technology and ownership changed since then. Hence my thought: โThat was then and this is nowโ
Edit: Iโm listening to the whole 'cast now.
The only pushback I would give on this is Kerrie mentioned multiple times that they had been planning this change for years. That would seem to go against his statement or he was completely unaware of what his team was working on (which is absolutely a possibility).
I did catch that off hand comment she made, and it does make you wonder how much has been in the plans and for how long.
Oh well, what can we do.
Great job Jose.
Kerrie seems like a nice enough person, but man, her inauthentic marketing speak is like nails on a chalkboard to me. If Epicor needs more money from customers to stay competitive just say that.
I was happy that you were able to get her to say the words โmiddle groundโ, but Iโm not left with a ton of confidence that weโll see that.
What does a middle ground look like in your mind? Something like an On Prem solution with a subscription fee?
Yes, I have no insider info but this is where most other competitors ended up. Basically a deployment method that allows you to deploy to private , 3rd party, or your own Infrastructure, while keeping that โPhone Homeโ type functionality required with a SaaS subscription.
one of the easiests ways to accomplish this (mostly becasue they are already doing it for their own SaaS) is Containers. You make a container image, (the same one you use for the cloud) and make those containers available to those customers taht want to manage their own โhardwareโ.
I should add that pie in the sky here would be to make these containers flexible enough to configure our own DBMS and our own files (assemblies) to allow us to provide / inject additional assemblies into the ERP for things like local integration etc.
The container can be immutable and can require a call home / license that is active for it to work correctly. But ti allows the Vendor to develop and test the software in a Single deployment path.
I donโt think (as much crying as we may want to do) we are going to get them to walk away from the Financial aspects of this move. It is simply too lucrative to move to a SaaS model.
Containers would be a great middle ground.
Seems like a fair middle ground as it doesnโt really change their development and still allows for the customer to pick where they โhostโ it.
Honestly I would be happy to pay a subscription fee for a middle ground container solution that is still essentially on Prem, even if it costs a good chunk more than the traditional maintenance.
I want Epicor to succeed and be financially strong amongst their competitors and am willing to play ball to an extent. But propagandizing everyone that we are actually better off with SaaS is rubbing us the wrong way.
For sure!