Labor Entry and Closing Operations

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FYI.

I received information from support that this is a known bug and scheduled for release in 8.03.410.

This happens when you make a change to a labor transaction on an operation that was already complete. The change must occur against a transaction that was not the original completing one. My test...

Example:
Opr. 20 Posted Setup for 1 hour and 100%. This completed setup and marked the "Complete" box.
Opr. 20 Posted Production for 30 minutes and 1 piece against the Run Qty. of 5.
Opr. 20 Posted Production for 1 1/2 hours and 4 pieces. This completed and marked the "Complete" and "Opr. Complete" boxes.

Now, an adjustment is made within Labor Entry. The transaction for 30 minutes and 1 piece should have been 15 minutes and 1 piece. Save. View Job Tracker and the GREEN checkmark has now been removed.

Workaround:
In this scenario you must mark the "Complete" and "Opr. Complete" boxes on the transaction you are correcting.

Hope this helps others.

Jeff... PS. Thanks Rob!

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jplehr" <jlehr@...> wrote:
>
> Vantage 8.03.408A
>
> I thought I saw something recently on this topic but had no luck in my search.
>
> Has anyone seen this scenario. We thought we found a common variable in the way we process information, however, with this one, that went out the window. Please keep in mind that we do NOT use MES and enter information through manual Labor Entry.
>
> Operation 30. Setup complete 100%. Production run and completed. Labor Entry shows the operation two check boxes (Complete and Opr. Complete) both checked. Job Tracker shows the same in Labor Transactions. Job Adjustment shows the same.
>
> Problem: There is NO Green check mark in the tree view of Job Tracker and the operation remains on my Priority Dispatch Report.
>
> We have been chasing this scenario for some time and really thought it resulted when posting setup after setup had already been completed. Now, we don't have a clue.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Jeff
>
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Vantage 8.03.408A

I thought I saw something recently on this topic but had no luck in my search.

Has anyone seen this scenario. We thought we found a common variable in the way we process information, however, with this one, that went out the window. Please keep in mind that we do NOT use MES and enter information through manual Labor Entry.

Operation 30. Setup complete 100%. Production run and completed. Labor Entry shows the operation two check boxes (Complete and Opr. Complete) both checked. Job Tracker shows the same in Labor Transactions. Job Adjustment shows the same.

Problem: There is NO Green check mark in the tree view of Job Tracker and the operation remains on my Priority Dispatch Report.

We have been chasing this scenario for some time and really thought it resulted when posting setup after setup had already been completed. Now, we don't have a clue.

Any thoughts?

Jeff
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Hi Jeff: We use MES and experience the same thing on 8.03.408. Unfortunately, I have not found any way to prevent this during the regular course of business and have not found a viable work around.

FYI, I have found that if I go to the labor transation that has both boxes checked complete and uncheck both boxes then re-check Opr Complete, save and then refresh the job in job tracker, the green check mark now appears. This works even if set-up % complete = 0.

Question: When you say it appears on your priority dispatch report is it showing load?

When I look at the priority dispatch report when the operations does NOT show a green check mark in job tracker, but the complete checkboxes have be checked, the operation appears on the dispatch report however, the load for set-up and production hours is 0.00. When I look at the job in the job scheduling board, it does not show the operation as complete.

Sorry this doesn't really answer how to prevent this, but at least you know it's not just you!

Virginia Joseph
Deep Hole Specialists, LLC

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jplehr" <jlehr@...> wrote:
>
> Vantage 8.03.408A
>
> I thought I saw something recently on this topic but had no luck in my search.
>
> Has anyone seen this scenario. We thought we found a common variable in the way we process information, however, with this one, that went out the window. Please keep in mind that we do NOT use MES and enter information through manual Labor Entry.
>
> Operation 30. Setup complete 100%. Production run and completed. Labor Entry shows the operation two check boxes (Complete and Opr. Complete) both checked. Job Tracker shows the same in Labor Transactions. Job Adjustment shows the same.
>
> Problem: There is NO Green check mark in the tree view of Job Tracker and the operation remains on my Priority Dispatch Report.
>
> We have been chasing this scenario for some time and really thought it resulted when posting setup after setup had already been completed. Now, we don't have a clue.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Jeff
>
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We are on Vantage 8.03.408B and have the same problems and we use MES.
The trouble is - when I try to duplicate it in the TEST database and it works just fine.
This on both - Operations and Materials. The quantity required was completed or issued, yet the Tree does not display the check-mark.
If memory serves me correctly this was reported as being fixed in some past Version (400 or 307?)

I have even seen the red dot on the Material tag, yet I will have plenty in stock to satisfy all demands.
We have been trying to determine a root cause as well.

I have advised my users and previous customers to not always rely on the check-marks in the tree.
 Sincerely,


Stephen Schaefer
Abrams AirborneÂ

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Thanks Virginia. It is nice when you find it isn't just you. By they way, I just submitted this to support to see what I get back. I'm sure it will be like Stephen's scenario where they cannot recreate it, which I kind of expect because it is not an everyday scenario.

Our workaround is the Job Adjustment. All we do is enter an administrative employee, and nothing else because the boxes are already checked, and save. Everything is all better.

Yes, when we look at the PDR the loads are 0.00. However, I cannot say what is seen on the Job Scheduling Board. We will keep an eye on that going forward. The biggest issue is nobody understands. Supervisors are using their PDR's to manage the floor. Even without load, you have extra items cluttering up the report. Then they look at Job Tracker and question why the system doesn't work.

One upside is, since load is at 0.00, it shouldn't negatively impact other areas like capacity. The other upside to hearing from you and Stephen is that I can quit testing to see if it is the way we process.

Jeff

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Virginia" <vjoseph@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff: We use MES and experience the same thing on 8.03.408. Unfortunately, I have not found any way to prevent this during the regular course of business and have not found a viable work around.
>
> FYI, I have found that if I go to the labor transation that has both boxes checked complete and uncheck both boxes then re-check Opr Complete, save and then refresh the job in job tracker, the green check mark now appears. This works even if set-up % complete = 0.
>
> Question: When you say it appears on your priority dispatch report is it showing load?
>
> When I look at the priority dispatch report when the operations does NOT show a green check mark in job tracker, but the complete checkboxes have be checked, the operation appears on the dispatch report however, the load for set-up and production hours is 0.00. When I look at the job in the job scheduling board, it does not show the operation as complete.
>
> Sorry this doesn't really answer how to prevent this, but at least you know it's not just you!
>
> Virginia Joseph
> Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jplehr" <jlehr@> wrote:
> >
> > Vantage 8.03.408A
> >
> > I thought I saw something recently on this topic but had no luck in my search.
> >
> > Has anyone seen this scenario. We thought we found a common variable in the way we process information, however, with this one, that went out the window. Please keep in mind that we do NOT use MES and enter information through manual Labor Entry.
> >
> > Operation 30. Setup complete 100%. Production run and completed. Labor Entry shows the operation two check boxes (Complete and Opr. Complete) both checked. Job Tracker shows the same in Labor Transactions. Job Adjustment shows the same.
> >
> > Problem: There is NO Green check mark in the tree view of Job Tracker and the operation remains on my Priority Dispatch Report.
> >
> > We have been chasing this scenario for some time and really thought it resulted when posting setup after setup had already been completed. Now, we don't have a clue.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Jeff
> >
>
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I've seen this issue since as far back as v6.1. Don't trust the check-mark.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Schaefer <sschaefer323@...> wrote:
>
> We are on Vantage 8.03.408B and have the same problems and we use MES.
> The trouble is - when I try to duplicate it in the TEST database and it works just fine.
> This on both - Operations and Materials. The quantity required was completed or issued, yet the Tree does not display the check-mark.
> If memory serves me correctly this was reported as being fixed in some past Version (400 or 307?)
>
> I have even seen the red dot on the Material tag, yet I will have plenty in stock to satisfy all demands.
> We have been trying to determine a root cause as well.
>
> I have advised my users and previous customers to not always rely on the check-marks in the tree.
> Â Sincerely,
>
>
> Stephen Schaefer
> Abrams AirborneÂ
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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I just wanted to let everyone know, I am not so much focused on the pretty little check marks. However, there is a reason why the system has them, including to pretty different color dots on your material. So, if there was a reason to put it in the application then I should be able to use it. Basically, it shows me inconsistency.

I want to say that my biggest concern is the information remaining on the Priority Dispatch Report that our supervisors are using. That is what really prompted the post. However, I don't use the PDR and there are others that don't as well (Management, Production Control). For those that don't you get misleading information.

First, I am glad to hear it is not just us seeing this scenario. Second, I now know I can quit pulling my hair out :o) trying to find the commone variable that I thought was related to our manual labor entry process.

JPL

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jplehr" <jlehr@...> wrote:
>
> Vantage 8.03.408A
>
> I thought I saw something recently on this topic but had no luck in my search.
>
> Has anyone seen this scenario. We thought we found a common variable in the way we process information, however, with this one, that went out the window. Please keep in mind that we do NOT use MES and enter information through manual Labor Entry.
>
> Operation 30. Setup complete 100%. Production run and completed. Labor Entry shows the operation two check boxes (Complete and Opr. Complete) both checked. Job Tracker shows the same in Labor Transactions. Job Adjustment shows the same.
>
> Problem: There is NO Green check mark in the tree view of Job Tracker and the operation remains on my Priority Dispatch Report.
>
> We have been chasing this scenario for some time and really thought it resulted when posting setup after setup had already been completed. Now, we don't have a clue.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Jeff
>
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jplehr
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 7:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Labor Entry and Closing Operations





I just wanted to let everyone know, I am not so much focused on the
pretty little check marks. However, there is a reason why the system has
them, including to pretty different color dots on your material. So, if
there was a reason to put it in the application then I should be able to
use it. Basically, it shows me inconsistency.

I want to say that my biggest concern is the information remaining on
the Priority Dispatch Report that our supervisors are using. That is
what really prompted the post. However, I don't use the PDR and there
are others that don't as well (Management, Production Control). For
those that don't you get misleading information.

First, I am glad to hear it is not just us seeing this scenario. Second,
I now know I can quit pulling my hair out :o) trying to find the commone
variable that I thought was related to our manual labor entry process.

JPL

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"jplehr" <jlehr@...> wrote:
>
> Vantage 8.03.408A
>
> I thought I saw something recently on this topic but had no luck in my
search.
>
> Has anyone seen this scenario. We thought we found a common variable
in the way we process information, however, with this one, that went out
the window. Please keep in mind that we do NOT use MES and enter
information through manual Labor Entry.
>
> Operation 30. Setup complete 100%. Production run and completed. Labor
Entry shows the operation two check boxes (Complete and Opr. Complete)
both checked. Job Tracker shows the same in Labor Transactions. Job
Adjustment shows the same.
>
> Problem: There is NO Green check mark in the tree view of Job Tracker
and the operation remains on my Priority Dispatch Report.
>
> We have been chasing this scenario for some time and really thought it
resulted when posting setup after setup had already been completed. Now,
we don't have a clue.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Jeff
>





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