Material usage other than EA or FIXED QTY (Vantage 8.0.3.409C)

Glad we could help. This was an area that we struggled with for a while
also. We had to upgrade to 700 a few weeks before our go live because this
didn't work in 606.
We are also a contract manufacturer and have specific customer and ISO
requirements. We were also faced with lot traceability issues.
Job level lot traceability is about as far as you can go in the base
system. This means we'd have to create 30 jobs a day for each product line
and have users log in and out of each job. Not going to happen.
Instead we created a customization that allows us to match issued lot
tracked material to finished lot tracked parts. We are using a UD table to
store all the relationships. We now have one job spanning a month with full
lot traceability. If your situation is similar to ours, it might be worth
your time to customize.

Scott
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:06 PM, ssoeder@... <ssoeder@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Just an update, I have successfully been able to create the desired
> behavior thanks to your suggestions!
> I created a generic part and turned the "whole units" checkbox ON (under
> part maintenance/part entry).
> Now, for quoting and planning purposes, I can create a sub-assembly and
> issue the generic part as a material.
> I put in the price for the whole bar, put the qty/parent at whatever the
> percent of the whole bar is (i.e. 10" part from a 144" bar is
> 0.069444444)and I can set my scrap to account for any remnant and setup
> pieces.
> This works well for me to calculate how many bars I need.
> Since I can calculate my needs, I can also calculate my supplier price
> breaks properly, and this has really made a HUGE difference for me.
>
> Thanks everyone for your help!
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "ssoeder@..." <ssoeder@...> wrote:
> >
> > I will try this, this sounds like the most promising solution and is
> similar to the post by Josh Serwe regarding changing UOM, but allows a
> little more flexibility.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, to answer the question about returning to inventory:
> > We are a contract manufacturer, and we must maintain traceability to
> material heat lot per our customer and ISO requirements.
> > Some of our customers also require that each lot is run out of one
> material heat.
> > For these reasons, I cannot simply return a partial bar to inventory and
> plan to use it later - we may never get that job again, and if we do, we
> may not have enough of that specific heat available for the whole job, so
> we may never be able to use the remnant.
> > This is especially important with exotic materials or special shape bar
> stocks.
> >
> > The same goes for tooling, which we normally add as a material. If I
> need $300 for broaches that I know last say 200 parts, I need to be able to
> account for that when a customer wants an RFQ for 15, 200, 2000, and 20,000
> parts.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Scotty K." <scottyk537@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure about vantage, but in E9 we have a similar issue that was
> fixed by
> > > using sub assemblies. Create a sub assembly in your MOM and enter your
> > > qty/parent as it relates to your part. Then add your material to the
> > > subassembly. As long as your each UOM does not allow decimals, you will
> > > never be able to quote/estimate a fractional subassembly.
> > >
> > > On Mar 1, 2013, at 3:30 PM, "ssoeder@" <ssoeder@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I am quoting or engineering a part in Vantage, often times we have
> > > material costs we need to account for based on a set amount of parts.
> This
> > > would need to be entered as a cost per number of units, however I seem
> to
> > > be able to choose only cost/ea or a fixed cost, and this can be
> dangerously
> > > inaccurate for planning accordingly!
> > >
> > > Example, I have a part now, we are quoting 45 parts for a prototype,
> and
> > > production is estimated at 1500/month.
> > > I want to quote quantities ranging from 45 to 4500 parts, to cover
> > > prototype, monthly releases and quarterly releases.
> > > My material cost is $450/1000 parts
> > > This material cannot be used for any other job and is only available in
> > > quantities for 1000 parts.
> > > I need $450 worth of material to make 1 part, 45 parts, 450 parts, or
> 1000
> > > parts.
> > >
> > > If I enter my cost as .45/ea, my pricing is way off for the 45 part
> run � I
> > > would only be accounting for $20.20 out of $450 in my costs!
> > > On the same token, I cannot put in $450 as a fixed cost because then I
> am
> > > off for anything over 1000 parts.
> > > I need $900 worth of tooling for 1001, 1500 or 2000 parts, etc.
> > >
> > > Has anyone experienced this same problem?
> > > How do you work around this limitation?
> > > Vantage version 8.0.3.409C
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>
>


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When I am quoting or engineering a part in Vantage, often times we have material costs we need to account for based on a set amount of parts. This would need to be entered as a cost per number of units, however I seem to be able to choose only cost/ea or a fixed cost, and this can be dangerously inaccurate for planning accordingly!

Example, I have a part now, we are quoting 45 parts for a prototype, and production is estimated at 1500/month.
I want to quote quantities ranging from 45 to 4500 parts, to cover prototype, monthly releases and quarterly releases.
My material cost is $450/1000 parts
This material cannot be used for any other job and is only available in quantities for 1000 parts.
I need $450 worth of material to make 1 part, 45 parts, 450 parts, or 1000 parts.

If I enter my cost as .45/ea, my pricing is way off for the 45 part run – I would only be accounting for $20.20 out of $450 in my costs!
On the same token, I cannot put in $450 as a fixed cost because then I am off for anything over 1000 parts.
I need $900 worth of tooling for 1001, 1500 or 2000 parts, etc.

Has anyone experienced this same problem?
How do you work around this limitation?
Vantage version 8.0.3.409C
Has nobody else experienced this?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "ssoeder@..." <ssoeder@...> wrote:
>
> When I am quoting or engineering a part in Vantage, often times we have material costs we need to account for based on a set amount of parts. This would need to be entered as a cost per number of units, however I seem to be able to choose only cost/ea or a fixed cost, and this can be dangerously inaccurate for planning accordingly!
>
> Example, I have a part now, we are quoting 45 parts for a prototype, and production is estimated at 1500/month.
> I want to quote quantities ranging from 45 to 4500 parts, to cover prototype, monthly releases and quarterly releases.
> My material cost is $450/1000 parts
> This material cannot be used for any other job and is only available in quantities for 1000 parts.
> I need $450 worth of material to make 1 part, 45 parts, 450 parts, or 1000 parts.
>
> If I enter my cost as .45/ea, my pricing is way off for the 45 part run – I would only be accounting for $20.20 out of $450 in my costs!
> On the same token, I cannot put in $450 as a fixed cost because then I am off for anything over 1000 parts.
> I need $900 worth of tooling for 1001, 1500 or 2000 parts, etc.
>
> Has anyone experienced this same problem?
> How do you work around this limitation?
> Vantage version 8.0.3.409C
>
I don't know about Vantage 8, but in 905.700C the Part > Plant > Planning Tab has MfgLotMultiple on it. This is used for PO suggestions as well as Jobs. Field help and the schema refer only to jobs, but the MRP Tech Reference Guide shows this applies also to PO suggestions. The PO suggestion will be rounded up to the multiple and reflect that you are going to buy in 1000 pieces increments.

I use that field to calculate excess by the quote material line for all quantities quoted and store it in a UD by quote line and quantity quoted. when the quote is recalculated I roll up all of the excess costs and put the excess material cost in the QuoteQty table. If you want added as cost put in QuoteQty.MiscCost. If you want noted, but not calculated in the profit of that quantity use a ud field like QuoteQty.number01 and just show the cost.

We are build to order, so we show the excess the quote worksheet, to decide to charge or absorb the excess cost.

if you want more details and the bpms and table structures for this, contact me offline and I will bundle them up for you.

Greg Payne

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ssoeder@...<mailto:ssoeder@...>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Material usage other than EA or FIXED QTY (Vantage 8.0.3.409C)



When I am quoting or engineering a part in Vantage, often times we have material costs we need to account for based on a set amount of parts. This would need to be entered as a cost per number of units, however I seem to be able to choose only cost/ea or a fixed cost, and this can be dangerously inaccurate for planning accordingly!

Example, I have a part now, we are quoting 45 parts for a prototype, and production is estimated at 1500/month.
I want to quote quantities ranging from 45 to 4500 parts, to cover prototype, monthly releases and quarterly releases.
My material cost is $450/1000 parts
This material cannot be used for any other job and is only available in quantities for 1000 parts.
I need $450 worth of material to make 1 part, 45 parts, 450 parts, or 1000 parts.

If I enter my cost as .45/ea, my pricing is way off for the 45 part run - I would only be accounting for $20.20 out of $450 in my costs!
On the same token, I cannot put in $450 as a fixed cost because then I am off for anything over 1000 parts.
I need $900 worth of tooling for 1001, 1500 or 2000 parts, etc.

Has anyone experienced this same problem?
How do you work around this limitation?
Vantage version 8.0.3.409C


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I don't know about Vantage 8, but in 905.700C the Plant Planning Tab has MfgLotMultiple on it. This is used for PO suggestions as well as Jobs. Field help and the schema refer only to jobs, but the MRP Tech Reference Guide shows this applies also to PO suggestions. The PO suggestion will be rounded up to the multiple and reflect that you are going to buy in 1000 pieces increments.

I use that field to calculate excess by the quote material line for all quantities quoted and store it in a UD by quote line and quantity quoted. when the quote is recalculated I roll up all of the excess costs and put the excess material cost in the QuoteQty table. If you want added as cost put in QuoteQty.MiscCost. If you want noted, but not calculated in the profit of that quantity use a ud field like QuoteQty.number01 and just show the cost.

We are build to order, so we show the excess the quote worksheet, to decide to charge or absorb the excess cost.

if you want more details and the bpms and table structures for this, contact me offline and I will bundle them up for you.

Greg Payne

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ssoeder@...
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:30 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Material usage other than EA or FIXED QTY (Vantage 8.0.3.409C)



When I am quoting or engineering a part in Vantage, often times we have material costs we need to account for based on a set amount of parts. This would need to be entered as a cost per number of units, however I seem to be able to choose only cost/ea or a fixed cost, and this can be dangerously inaccurate for planning accordingly!

Example, I have a part now, we are quoting 45 parts for a prototype, and production is estimated at 1500/month.
I want to quote quantities ranging from 45 to 4500 parts, to cover prototype, monthly releases and quarterly releases.
My material cost is $450/1000 parts
This material cannot be used for any other job and is only available in quantities for 1000 parts.
I need $450 worth of material to make 1 part, 45 parts, 450 parts, or 1000 parts.

If I enter my cost as .45/ea, my pricing is way off for the 45 part run - I would only be accounting for $20.20 out of $450 in my costs!
On the same token, I cannot put in $450 as a fixed cost because then I am off for anything over 1000 parts.
I need $900 worth of tooling for 1001, 1500 or 2000 parts, etc.

Has anyone experienced this same problem?
How do you work around this limitation?
Vantage version 8.0.3.409C


________________________________
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the exclusive use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us at 727-578-6280 and immediately delete the communication.

"This (document/presentation) may contain technical data as defined in the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) 22 CFR 120.10. Export of this material is restricted by the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) and may not be exported to foreign persons without prior approval form the U.S. Department of State."


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I have found if you put a Min. Total Cost at the bottom of the screen it
will charge at least $450 until you get to quantities larger than the
minimum amount and will then increase by the put in the Unit cost.



Dave Andersen

ANDERSEN INDUSTRIES, INC.

P 760-246-8766 x 111

F 760-246-8702

<mailto:dave@...> dave@...

<http://www.andersenmp.com> www.andersenmp.com



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ssoeder@...
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 7:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Material usage other than EA or FIXED QTY (Vantage
8.0.3.409C)





Has nobody else experienced this?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"ssoeder@..." wrote:
>
> When I am quoting or engineering a part in Vantage, often times we have
material costs we need to account for based on a set amount of parts. This
would need to be entered as a cost per number of units, however I seem to be
able to choose only cost/ea or a fixed cost, and this can be dangerously
inaccurate for planning accordingly!
>
> Example, I have a part now, we are quoting 45 parts for a prototype, and
production is estimated at 1500/month.
> I want to quote quantities ranging from 45 to 4500 parts, to cover
prototype, monthly releases and quarterly releases.
> My material cost is $450/1000 parts
> This material cannot be used for any other job and is only available in
quantities for 1000 parts.
> I need $450 worth of material to make 1 part, 45 parts, 450 parts, or 1000
parts.
>
> If I enter my cost as .45/ea, my pricing is way off for the 45 part run -
I would only be accounting for $20.20 out of $450 in my costs!
> On the same token, I cannot put in $450 as a fixed cost because then I am
off for anything over 1000 parts.
> I need $900 worth of tooling for 1001, 1500 or 2000 parts, etc.
>
> Has anyone experienced this same problem?
> How do you work around this limitation?
> Vantage version 8.0.3.409C
>





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So the batch that you purchase makes 1,000 parts but if you make 1,001 you
can't return any to inventory for the next job?



Try setting your UOM to not allow decimals and always round up. Let me
know if that works for you.



Josh Serwe

Wisconsin Converting Inc.

Warehouse & Logistics Manager

(920)437-6400 x 330

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ssoeder@...
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Material usage other than EA or FIXED QTY (Vantage
8.0.3.409C)





Has nobody else experienced this?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"ssoeder@..." wrote:
>
> When I am quoting or engineering a part in Vantage, often times we have
material costs we need to account for based on a set amount of parts. This
would need to be entered as a cost per number of units, however I seem to
be able to choose only cost/ea or a fixed cost, and this can be
dangerously inaccurate for planning accordingly!
>
> Example, I have a part now, we are quoting 45 parts for a prototype, and
production is estimated at 1500/month.
> I want to quote quantities ranging from 45 to 4500 parts, to cover
prototype, monthly releases and quarterly releases.
> My material cost is $450/1000 parts
> This material cannot be used for any other job and is only available in
quantities for 1000 parts.
> I need $450 worth of material to make 1 part, 45 parts, 450 parts, or
1000 parts.
>
> If I enter my cost as .45/ea, my pricing is way off for the 45 part run
- I would only be accounting for $20.20 out of $450 in my costs!
> On the same token, I cannot put in $450 as a fixed cost because then I
am off for anything over 1000 parts.
> I need $900 worth of tooling for 1001, 1500 or 2000 parts, etc.
>
> Has anyone experienced this same problem?
> How do you work around this limitation?
> Vantage version 8.0.3.409C
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Not sure about vantage, but in E9 we have a similar issue that was fixed by
using sub assemblies. Create a sub assembly in your MOM and enter your
qty/parent as it relates to your part. Then add your material to the
subassembly. As long as your each UOM does not allow decimals, you will
never be able to quote/estimate a fractional subassembly.

On Mar 1, 2013, at 3:30 PM, "ssoeder@..." <ssoeder@...>
wrote:



When I am quoting or engineering a part in Vantage, often times we have
material costs we need to account for based on a set amount of parts. This
would need to be entered as a cost per number of units, however I seem to
be able to choose only cost/ea or a fixed cost, and this can be dangerously
inaccurate for planning accordingly!

Example, I have a part now, we are quoting 45 parts for a prototype, and
production is estimated at 1500/month.
I want to quote quantities ranging from 45 to 4500 parts, to cover
prototype, monthly releases and quarterly releases.
My material cost is $450/1000 parts
This material cannot be used for any other job and is only available in
quantities for 1000 parts.
I need $450 worth of material to make 1 part, 45 parts, 450 parts, or 1000
parts.

If I enter my cost as .45/ea, my pricing is way off for the 45 part run � I
would only be accounting for $20.20 out of $450 in my costs!
On the same token, I cannot put in $450 as a fixed cost because then I am
off for anything over 1000 parts.
I need $900 worth of tooling for 1001, 1500 or 2000 parts, etc.

Has anyone experienced this same problem?
How do you work around this limitation?
Vantage version 8.0.3.409C




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I will try this, this sounds like the most promising solution and is similar to the post by Josh Serwe regarding changing UOM, but allows a little more flexibility.




Also, to answer the question about returning to inventory:
We are a contract manufacturer, and we must maintain traceability to material heat lot per our customer and ISO requirements.
Some of our customers also require that each lot is run out of one material heat.
For these reasons, I cannot simply return a partial bar to inventory and plan to use it later - we may never get that job again, and if we do, we may not have enough of that specific heat available for the whole job, so we may never be able to use the remnant.
This is especially important with exotic materials or special shape bar stocks.

The same goes for tooling, which we normally add as a material. If I need $300 for broaches that I know last say 200 parts, I need to be able to account for that when a customer wants an RFQ for 15, 200, 2000, and 20,000 parts.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Scotty K." <scottyk537@...> wrote:
>
> Not sure about vantage, but in E9 we have a similar issue that was fixed by
> using sub assemblies. Create a sub assembly in your MOM and enter your
> qty/parent as it relates to your part. Then add your material to the
> subassembly. As long as your each UOM does not allow decimals, you will
> never be able to quote/estimate a fractional subassembly.
>
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 3:30 PM, "ssoeder@..." <ssoeder@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> When I am quoting or engineering a part in Vantage, often times we have
> material costs we need to account for based on a set amount of parts. This
> would need to be entered as a cost per number of units, however I seem to
> be able to choose only cost/ea or a fixed cost, and this can be dangerously
> inaccurate for planning accordingly!
>
> Example, I have a part now, we are quoting 45 parts for a prototype, and
> production is estimated at 1500/month.
> I want to quote quantities ranging from 45 to 4500 parts, to cover
> prototype, monthly releases and quarterly releases.
> My material cost is $450/1000 parts
> This material cannot be used for any other job and is only available in
> quantities for 1000 parts.
> I need $450 worth of material to make 1 part, 45 parts, 450 parts, or 1000
> parts.
>
> If I enter my cost as .45/ea, my pricing is way off for the 45 part run – I
> would only be accounting for $20.20 out of $450 in my costs!
> On the same token, I cannot put in $450 as a fixed cost because then I am
> off for anything over 1000 parts.
> I need $900 worth of tooling for 1001, 1500 or 2000 parts, etc.
>
> Has anyone experienced this same problem?
> How do you work around this limitation?
> Vantage version 8.0.3.409C
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Just an update, I have successfully been able to create the desired behavior thanks to your suggestions!
I created a generic part and turned the "whole units" checkbox ON (under part maintenance/part entry).
Now, for quoting and planning purposes, I can create a sub-assembly and issue the generic part as a material.
I put in the price for the whole bar, put the qty/parent at whatever the percent of the whole bar is (i.e. 10" part from a 144" bar is 0.069444444)and I can set my scrap to account for any remnant and setup pieces.
This works well for me to calculate how many bars I need.
Since I can calculate my needs, I can also calculate my supplier price breaks properly, and this has really made a HUGE difference for me.

Thanks everyone for your help!


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "ssoeder@..." <ssoeder@...> wrote:
>
> I will try this, this sounds like the most promising solution and is similar to the post by Josh Serwe regarding changing UOM, but allows a little more flexibility.
>
>
>
>
> Also, to answer the question about returning to inventory:
> We are a contract manufacturer, and we must maintain traceability to material heat lot per our customer and ISO requirements.
> Some of our customers also require that each lot is run out of one material heat.
> For these reasons, I cannot simply return a partial bar to inventory and plan to use it later - we may never get that job again, and if we do, we may not have enough of that specific heat available for the whole job, so we may never be able to use the remnant.
> This is especially important with exotic materials or special shape bar stocks.
>
> The same goes for tooling, which we normally add as a material. If I need $300 for broaches that I know last say 200 parts, I need to be able to account for that when a customer wants an RFQ for 15, 200, 2000, and 20,000 parts.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Scotty K." <scottyk537@> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure about vantage, but in E9 we have a similar issue that was fixed by
> > using sub assemblies. Create a sub assembly in your MOM and enter your
> > qty/parent as it relates to your part. Then add your material to the
> > subassembly. As long as your each UOM does not allow decimals, you will
> > never be able to quote/estimate a fractional subassembly.
> >
> > On Mar 1, 2013, at 3:30 PM, "ssoeder@" <ssoeder@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > When I am quoting or engineering a part in Vantage, often times we have
> > material costs we need to account for based on a set amount of parts. This
> > would need to be entered as a cost per number of units, however I seem to
> > be able to choose only cost/ea or a fixed cost, and this can be dangerously
> > inaccurate for planning accordingly!
> >
> > Example, I have a part now, we are quoting 45 parts for a prototype, and
> > production is estimated at 1500/month.
> > I want to quote quantities ranging from 45 to 4500 parts, to cover
> > prototype, monthly releases and quarterly releases.
> > My material cost is $450/1000 parts
> > This material cannot be used for any other job and is only available in
> > quantities for 1000 parts.
> > I need $450 worth of material to make 1 part, 45 parts, 450 parts, or 1000
> > parts.
> >
> > If I enter my cost as .45/ea, my pricing is way off for the 45 part run – I
> > would only be accounting for $20.20 out of $450 in my costs!
> > On the same token, I cannot put in $450 as a fixed cost because then I am
> > off for anything over 1000 parts.
> > I need $900 worth of tooling for 1001, 1500 or 2000 parts, etc.
> >
> > Has anyone experienced this same problem?
> > How do you work around this limitation?
> > Vantage version 8.0.3.409C
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>