Prevent Material Demand in PO Suggestions

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I wasn't talking about making them standard parts in the part master, just "on-the-fly" parts in the job. It shouldn't matter since they'll be replaced with real parts before job material is actually pulled?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "timlester67" <tlester@...> wrote:
>
> John - your idea would work, need to see what management thinks. I know engineers will not like it.
>
> Kirstin - If there were only 10 or 15 parts that could work, but we are talking 100's to 1000's of parts.
>
> Thanks for the ideas - anyone else have any thoughts.
>
> Tim
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Kirstin Brandt" <kirstin.brandt@> wrote:
> >
> > What if you use a "fake" part, like ENG-Mtl10 instead of Mtl10. Then where currently your engineers would change the quantity to a real value, they can instead change the part number back. I would think this would give the added benefit of being able to keep the actual quantities they wanted to use?
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Lester" <tlester@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We are performing our testing of Epicor 9.05.607A prior to going live
> > > and have found a problem when comparing to our existing 8.03.407 system.
> > > This has been submitted to Epicor support but their solution is not
> > > practical.
> > > In our workflow process, we do not always complete the Bill of Material
> > > (Assemblies and Materials) before releasing partial Assemblies and
> > > Materials to purchasing and manufacturing. We do not use MRP at this
> > > time. While in Job Entry in 8.03, our engineers will enter a Qty/Parent
> > > of 0.0001 to prevent demand to order material that is not approved
> > > and/or finalized. This can be on an assembly or material on an assembly.
> > > This process prevents demand for material until the engineer changes the
> > > Qty to 0.5, 1.0, 20.0 or whatever value is required. If the assembly had
> > > 100 items, the engineer only had to change the assembly quantity to
> > > 0.0001 and leave the materials under the assembly at their required
> > > quantity. This would not produce any demand for Materials in PO
> > > Suggestions.
> > > When testing 9.05, we have found this process no longer functions as
> > > before. If we enter a Material Qty value of 0.00000001, there will be a
> > > Material demand of 0.01 when PO Suggestions is run the next time. We
> > > have not found combination of values that will prevent demand from being
> > > created and having the material show up in PO Suggestions. We have tried
> > > numerous methods and UOM decimal place values. We have the engineered
> > > checkbox enabled so time/labor can be logged to the job. We have been
> > > told by support this issue is caused by the new UOM system, their
> > > solution is to change every part to a quantity of 0.00000001, not really
> > > practical on a project with a few thousand parts. The only possible
> > > solution we have seen required all materials to be 2 assemblies deep in
> > > the project, for example Asm1 - Asm13 - Mtl10, this requires both Asm1
> > > and Asm13 quantities to be 0.00000001 for no demand to be created for
> > > Mtl10. Asm1 - Mtl10 will have demand if Asm1 quantity is set to
> > > 0.00000001 and Mtl10 quantity is 1.0.
> > > Has anyone seen this and found a solution or workaround?
> > >
> > > Tim Lester
> > > ERP Systems Administrator
> > > Enercon Engineering Inc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
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We are performing our testing of Epicor 9.05.607A prior to going live
and have found a problem when comparing to our existing 8.03.407 system.
This has been submitted to Epicor support but their solution is not
practical.
In our workflow process, we do not always complete the Bill of Material
(Assemblies and Materials) before releasing partial Assemblies and
Materials to purchasing and manufacturing. We do not use MRP at this
time. While in Job Entry in 8.03, our engineers will enter a Qty/Parent
of 0.0001 to prevent demand to order material that is not approved
and/or finalized. This can be on an assembly or material on an assembly.
This process prevents demand for material until the engineer changes the
Qty to 0.5, 1.0, 20.0 or whatever value is required. If the assembly had
100 items, the engineer only had to change the assembly quantity to
0.0001 and leave the materials under the assembly at their required
quantity. This would not produce any demand for Materials in PO
Suggestions.
When testing 9.05, we have found this process no longer functions as
before. If we enter a Material Qty value of 0.00000001, there will be a
Material demand of 0.01 when PO Suggestions is run the next time. We
have not found combination of values that will prevent demand from being
created and having the material show up in PO Suggestions. We have tried
numerous methods and UOM decimal place values. We have the engineered
checkbox enabled so time/labor can be logged to the job. We have been
told by support this issue is caused by the new UOM system, their
solution is to change every part to a quantity of 0.00000001, not really
practical on a project with a few thousand parts. The only possible
solution we have seen required all materials to be 2 assemblies deep in
the project, for example Asm1 - Asm13 - Mtl10, this requires both Asm1
and Asm13 quantities to be 0.00000001 for no demand to be created for
Mtl10. Asm1 - Mtl10 will have demand if Asm1 quantity is set to
0.00000001 and Mtl10 quantity is 1.0.
Has anyone seen this and found a solution or workaround?

Tim Lester
ERP Systems Administrator
Enercon Engineering Inc




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Since the group is very active at this time I am rephrasing my question from last month in hope that someone has an idea or solution to our problem. We are testing Epicor 9.05.607A.

We are a custom design/manufacturing company, rarely do we produce a product exactly the same as a previous unit. When we create a project, the engineering staff will manually add materials to the project on the various assemblies, there are a few standard assemblies created in Engineering Workbench. We do organize the projects with assemblies and subassemblies based on standards we have developed. Some projects may take one week to design, others might take a month and some projects require customer approval prior to purchasing materials while other projects may be released to the shop floor once the design is completed. The engineers generally understand which parts have longer lead times and may require those to be on order sooner.

With the new UOM configuration, we have not found a solution to prevent materials showing up in PO Suggestions and with 3 plants in 3 states it's not practical to think the purchasing agents will not order material when it shows up in PO Suggestions and the engineers do not have time to tell the purchasing agents when to order or not to order - plus I expect they would forget to tell them. Since we have been working fine with 8.03, I think the transition to 9.05 would cause too many parts to be ordered that are not required or approved for purchase since the engineering design may not be completed. Since we charge the engineers time(labor) directly to the project, we can not uncheck the Engineered or Released checkboxes in Job Entry as they need to record time every day.

For more details, see the post below.

Tim Lester
ERP Systems Administrator
Enercon Engineering Inc

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Lester" <tlester@...> wrote:
>
> We are performing our testing of Epicor 9.05.607A prior to going live
> and have found a problem when comparing to our existing 8.03.407 system.
> This has been submitted to Epicor support but their solution is not
> practical.
> In our workflow process, we do not always complete the Bill of Material
> (Assemblies and Materials) before releasing partial Assemblies and
> Materials to purchasing and manufacturing. We do not use MRP at this
> time. While in Job Entry in 8.03, our engineers will enter a Qty/Parent
> of 0.0001 to prevent demand to order material that is not approved
> and/or finalized. This can be on an assembly or material on an assembly.
> This process prevents demand for material until the engineer changes the
> Qty to 0.5, 1.0, 20.0 or whatever value is required. If the assembly had
> 100 items, the engineer only had to change the assembly quantity to
> 0.0001 and leave the materials under the assembly at their required
> quantity. This would not produce any demand for Materials in PO
> Suggestions.
> When testing 9.05, we have found this process no longer functions as
> before. If we enter a Material Qty value of 0.00000001, there will be a
> Material demand of 0.01 when PO Suggestions is run the next time. We
> have not found combination of values that will prevent demand from being
> created and having the material show up in PO Suggestions. We have tried
> numerous methods and UOM decimal place values. We have the engineered
> checkbox enabled so time/labor can be logged to the job. We have been
> told by support this issue is caused by the new UOM system, their
> solution is to change every part to a quantity of 0.00000001, not really
> practical on a project with a few thousand parts. The only possible
> solution we have seen required all materials to be 2 assemblies deep in
> the project, for example Asm1 - Asm13 - Mtl10, this requires both Asm1
> and Asm13 quantities to be 0.00000001 for no demand to be created for
> Mtl10. Asm1 - Mtl10 will have demand if Asm1 quantity is set to
> 0.00000001 and Mtl10 quantity is 1.0.
> Has anyone seen this and found a solution or workaround?
>
> Tim Lester
> ERP Systems Administrator
> Enercon Engineering Inc
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Dunno if it would work, but it might be easiest to just have two jobs. One
for the actual product and one for engineering.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:45 AM, timlester67 <tlester@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> Since the group is very active at this time I am rephrasing my question
> from last month in hope that someone has an idea or solution to our
> problem. We are testing Epicor 9.05.607A.
>
> We are a custom design/manufacturing company, rarely do we produce a
> product exactly the same as a previous unit. When we create a project, the
> engineering staff will manually add materials to the project on the various
> assemblies, there are a few standard assemblies created in Engineering
> Workbench. We do organize the projects with assemblies and subassemblies
> based on standards we have developed. Some projects may take one week to
> design, others might take a month and some projects require customer
> approval prior to purchasing materials while other projects may be released
> to the shop floor once the design is completed. The engineers generally
> understand which parts have longer lead times and may require those to be
> on order sooner.
>
> With the new UOM configuration, we have not found a solution to prevent
> materials showing up in PO Suggestions and with 3 plants in 3 states it's
> not practical to think the purchasing agents will not order material when
> it shows up in PO Suggestions and the engineers do not have time to tell
> the purchasing agents when to order or not to order - plus I expect they
> would forget to tell them. Since we have been working fine with 8.03, I
> think the transition to 9.05 would cause too many parts to be ordered that
> are not required or approved for purchase since the engineering design may
> not be completed. Since we charge the engineers time(labor) directly to the
> project, we can not uncheck the Engineered or Released checkboxes in Job
> Entry as they need to record time every day.
>
> For more details, see the post below.
>
>
> Tim Lester
> ERP Systems Administrator
> Enercon Engineering Inc
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Lester" <tlester@...> wrote:
> >
> > We are performing our testing of Epicor 9.05.607A prior to going live
> > and have found a problem when comparing to our existing 8.03.407 system.
> > This has been submitted to Epicor support but their solution is not
> > practical.
> > In our workflow process, we do not always complete the Bill of Material
> > (Assemblies and Materials) before releasing partial Assemblies and
> > Materials to purchasing and manufacturing. We do not use MRP at this
> > time. While in Job Entry in 8.03, our engineers will enter a Qty/Parent
> > of 0.0001 to prevent demand to order material that is not approved
> > and/or finalized. This can be on an assembly or material on an assembly.
> > This process prevents demand for material until the engineer changes the
> > Qty to 0.5, 1.0, 20.0 or whatever value is required. If the assembly had
> > 100 items, the engineer only had to change the assembly quantity to
> > 0.0001 and leave the materials under the assembly at their required
> > quantity. This would not produce any demand for Materials in PO
> > Suggestions.
> > When testing 9.05, we have found this process no longer functions as
> > before. If we enter a Material Qty value of 0.00000001, there will be a
> > Material demand of 0.01 when PO Suggestions is run the next time. We
> > have not found combination of values that will prevent demand from being
> > created and having the material show up in PO Suggestions. We have tried
> > numerous methods and UOM decimal place values. We have the engineered
> > checkbox enabled so time/labor can be logged to the job. We have been
> > told by support this issue is caused by the new UOM system, their
> > solution is to change every part to a quantity of 0.00000001, not really
> > practical on a project with a few thousand parts. The only possible
> > solution we have seen required all materials to be 2 assemblies deep in
> > the project, for example Asm1 - Asm13 - Mtl10, this requires both Asm1
> > and Asm13 quantities to be 0.00000001 for no demand to be created for
> > Mtl10. Asm1 - Mtl10 will have demand if Asm1 quantity is set to
> > 0.00000001 and Mtl10 quantity is 1.0.
> > Has anyone seen this and found a solution or workaround?
> >
> > Tim Lester
> > ERP Systems Administrator
> > Enercon Engineering Inc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



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What if you use a "fake" part, like ENG-Mtl10 instead of Mtl10. Then where currently your engineers would change the quantity to a real value, they can instead change the part number back. I would think this would give the added benefit of being able to keep the actual quantities they wanted to use?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Lester" <tlester@...> wrote:
>
> We are performing our testing of Epicor 9.05.607A prior to going live
> and have found a problem when comparing to our existing 8.03.407 system.
> This has been submitted to Epicor support but their solution is not
> practical.
> In our workflow process, we do not always complete the Bill of Material
> (Assemblies and Materials) before releasing partial Assemblies and
> Materials to purchasing and manufacturing. We do not use MRP at this
> time. While in Job Entry in 8.03, our engineers will enter a Qty/Parent
> of 0.0001 to prevent demand to order material that is not approved
> and/or finalized. This can be on an assembly or material on an assembly.
> This process prevents demand for material until the engineer changes the
> Qty to 0.5, 1.0, 20.0 or whatever value is required. If the assembly had
> 100 items, the engineer only had to change the assembly quantity to
> 0.0001 and leave the materials under the assembly at their required
> quantity. This would not produce any demand for Materials in PO
> Suggestions.
> When testing 9.05, we have found this process no longer functions as
> before. If we enter a Material Qty value of 0.00000001, there will be a
> Material demand of 0.01 when PO Suggestions is run the next time. We
> have not found combination of values that will prevent demand from being
> created and having the material show up in PO Suggestions. We have tried
> numerous methods and UOM decimal place values. We have the engineered
> checkbox enabled so time/labor can be logged to the job. We have been
> told by support this issue is caused by the new UOM system, their
> solution is to change every part to a quantity of 0.00000001, not really
> practical on a project with a few thousand parts. The only possible
> solution we have seen required all materials to be 2 assemblies deep in
> the project, for example Asm1 - Asm13 - Mtl10, this requires both Asm1
> and Asm13 quantities to be 0.00000001 for no demand to be created for
> Mtl10. Asm1 - Mtl10 will have demand if Asm1 quantity is set to
> 0.00000001 and Mtl10 quantity is 1.0.
> Has anyone seen this and found a solution or workaround?
>
> Tim Lester
> ERP Systems Administrator
> Enercon Engineering Inc
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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John - your idea would work, need to see what management thinks. I know engineers will not like it.

Kirstin - If there were only 10 or 15 parts that could work, but we are talking 100's to 1000's of parts.

Thanks for the ideas - anyone else have any thoughts.

Tim


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Kirstin Brandt" <kirstin.brandt@...> wrote:
>
> What if you use a "fake" part, like ENG-Mtl10 instead of Mtl10. Then where currently your engineers would change the quantity to a real value, they can instead change the part number back. I would think this would give the added benefit of being able to keep the actual quantities they wanted to use?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Lester" <tlester@> wrote:
> >
> > We are performing our testing of Epicor 9.05.607A prior to going live
> > and have found a problem when comparing to our existing 8.03.407 system.
> > This has been submitted to Epicor support but their solution is not
> > practical.
> > In our workflow process, we do not always complete the Bill of Material
> > (Assemblies and Materials) before releasing partial Assemblies and
> > Materials to purchasing and manufacturing. We do not use MRP at this
> > time. While in Job Entry in 8.03, our engineers will enter a Qty/Parent
> > of 0.0001 to prevent demand to order material that is not approved
> > and/or finalized. This can be on an assembly or material on an assembly.
> > This process prevents demand for material until the engineer changes the
> > Qty to 0.5, 1.0, 20.0 or whatever value is required. If the assembly had
> > 100 items, the engineer only had to change the assembly quantity to
> > 0.0001 and leave the materials under the assembly at their required
> > quantity. This would not produce any demand for Materials in PO
> > Suggestions.
> > When testing 9.05, we have found this process no longer functions as
> > before. If we enter a Material Qty value of 0.00000001, there will be a
> > Material demand of 0.01 when PO Suggestions is run the next time. We
> > have not found combination of values that will prevent demand from being
> > created and having the material show up in PO Suggestions. We have tried
> > numerous methods and UOM decimal place values. We have the engineered
> > checkbox enabled so time/labor can be logged to the job. We have been
> > told by support this issue is caused by the new UOM system, their
> > solution is to change every part to a quantity of 0.00000001, not really
> > practical on a project with a few thousand parts. The only possible
> > solution we have seen required all materials to be 2 assemblies deep in
> > the project, for example Asm1 - Asm13 - Mtl10, this requires both Asm1
> > and Asm13 quantities to be 0.00000001 for no demand to be created for
> > Mtl10. Asm1 - Mtl10 will have demand if Asm1 quantity is set to
> > 0.00000001 and Mtl10 quantity is 1.0.
> > Has anyone seen this and found a solution or workaround?
> >
> > Tim Lester
> > ERP Systems Administrator
> > Enercon Engineering Inc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>