David,
Without knowing the specifics of your setup, I am going to throw out a
couple of general ideas and functions here and maybe something will spark a
new idea.
First, with the payroll module, there are different pay types that can be
defined.
If simple overtime was all you wanted, there is a calculate overtime
function included in the payroll module. Your actual labor costs (pay rates)
defined by pay types...you can do this for pay types other than 1.5 x hours
for overtime. For example, if someone works on Sundays, they get paid 3x or
something like that. Then, for paycheck runs, you enter times for each pay
type....etc...
You mention job hours, vs shop hours, and mention something about your
capabilities, so I am not sure if you are having scheduling problems with
overloading, finite scheduling, etc...
I wonder if you have looked at shift mant/setup. You can set up periods of
time in the day (from start time to end time) and add in premium pay
additions to base relative to a flat premium or percentage of emplyee hourly
pay and even specify whether the premium should apply to all hours/employess
reported/reporting on the shift, or only for those who do not normally work
in the shift but do for these exceptions. This may still leave an issue with
having to define standardized shift times...but it may be a start.
For quoted labor rates, you could enter this into the resource group setup.
If you are not really scheduling in the system, but only really building the
jobs, you could set up different resource groups let's say called SPECIAL
GROUP 1, SPECIAL GROUP 2, and so on....give each one a different quoted
labor rate....then just create general resources (assuming labor)..something
like Group1LaborPerson1, Group1LaborPerson2 (make them generic) and when the
mes employee clocks in, have them report as the different "generic" laborers
depending on what resource group you tell them to act as...Definitely not
elegant, but maybe something here might give you an idea.
I am a little unclear as to whether your actual issues are regarding pay and
costs, versus charges to the customers.
You could handle some of this in the quoting module perhaps...For example,
using the pay types, etc, as described above, you could enter percentages of
margin to make on a job...This is a function of the quoting module, but I am
not sure if most of your labor operations can be standardized at all.....but
perhaps some quoting templates may provide you some assistance...In this
way, you quote an operation, that has a default resource group (operation
like late-night quick-turn machining, ties to the resource group with the
higher quoting labor rate, and since it is a quoting template, you include
logic that if this is chosen, include in the quote a line item for x$ toward
food, etc....
I hope that some of this helps trigger some ideas in your mind, or that I am
even reading your questions correctly at all.
Carey
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Without knowing the specifics of your setup, I am going to throw out a
couple of general ideas and functions here and maybe something will spark a
new idea.
First, with the payroll module, there are different pay types that can be
defined.
If simple overtime was all you wanted, there is a calculate overtime
function included in the payroll module. Your actual labor costs (pay rates)
defined by pay types...you can do this for pay types other than 1.5 x hours
for overtime. For example, if someone works on Sundays, they get paid 3x or
something like that. Then, for paycheck runs, you enter times for each pay
type....etc...
You mention job hours, vs shop hours, and mention something about your
capabilities, so I am not sure if you are having scheduling problems with
overloading, finite scheduling, etc...
I wonder if you have looked at shift mant/setup. You can set up periods of
time in the day (from start time to end time) and add in premium pay
additions to base relative to a flat premium or percentage of emplyee hourly
pay and even specify whether the premium should apply to all hours/employess
reported/reporting on the shift, or only for those who do not normally work
in the shift but do for these exceptions. This may still leave an issue with
having to define standardized shift times...but it may be a start.
For quoted labor rates, you could enter this into the resource group setup.
If you are not really scheduling in the system, but only really building the
jobs, you could set up different resource groups let's say called SPECIAL
GROUP 1, SPECIAL GROUP 2, and so on....give each one a different quoted
labor rate....then just create general resources (assuming labor)..something
like Group1LaborPerson1, Group1LaborPerson2 (make them generic) and when the
mes employee clocks in, have them report as the different "generic" laborers
depending on what resource group you tell them to act as...Definitely not
elegant, but maybe something here might give you an idea.
I am a little unclear as to whether your actual issues are regarding pay and
costs, versus charges to the customers.
You could handle some of this in the quoting module perhaps...For example,
using the pay types, etc, as described above, you could enter percentages of
margin to make on a job...This is a function of the quoting module, but I am
not sure if most of your labor operations can be standardized at all.....but
perhaps some quoting templates may provide you some assistance...In this
way, you quote an operation, that has a default resource group (operation
like late-night quick-turn machining, ties to the resource group with the
higher quoting labor rate, and since it is a quoting template, you include
logic that if this is chosen, include in the quote a line item for x$ toward
food, etc....
I hope that some of this helps trigger some ideas in your mind, or that I am
even reading your questions correctly at all.
Carey
>From: "david2murphy" <djmurphy@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Vantage] Need a better idea
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:21:13 -0000
>
>We are running Vantage 8.00.810c on SQL Server.
>
>Our business lines include providing machining/fabrication services
>to petrochemical plants. These are 24x7x365 operations which we are
>not, but our call out system is. We will put together a crew to
>perform any job at any time as long as it is within our capabilities -
> will have been doing this for 50 years in April. This type of work
>is clearly higher cost and demands a premium billing rate. As such,
>tracking costs and hours for this work needs to be differentiated
>from our routine, scheduled work.
>
>Last October we left our 25 year old custom COBOL system for Vantage 8
>(including the payroll module and shop floor MES) knowing that
>keeping up with these items was going to be more difficult than the
>automation provided in our old system. It is turning out to be even
>more difficult than we anticipated. We want to maximize use of the
>standard features in Vantage before stepping off into deep
>customization so I turning to that vast wealth of Vantage users out
>there that may have a similar problem or know some features in the
>system we should explore.
>
>Specifically we need a way to identify hours worked in a job that the
>pay rate may have been 1.5x, 2x, or even 3x standard. Charging costs
>to jobs that are not normally associated with manufacturing such as
>meals when a crew is working a 14 hour stretch that started at 2am.
>
>Any input you have will be apreciated.
>
>David J. Murphy
>Information Systems Manager
>A&A Machine & Fabrication, LLC
>
>
>
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