[OT] NT Server upgrade

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Check out the Domain Migration Cookbook. It's worth reading.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechn
ol/windows2000serv/deploy/cookbook/cookintr.asp

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Oliver [mailto:p.oliver@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


This isn't a Vantage related question but I thought I'd ask anyway as this
group is often extremely helpful :-)

We have a number of NT4 domain servers (PDC and a couple of BDCs) that we're
planning to upgrade to Windows 2000 or 2003 Server and I'm starting to plan
through the upgrade process at the moment. Careful planning always pays off
when it comes to doing things with business-critical servers!

Microsoft's deployment guides state that the PDC must be upgraded prior to
the BDCs and they describe installing the new OS over the top of the old one
to maintain the user groups and keep the data. Now my experience tells me
that this is a bad idea and you're just asking for reliability problems when
installing one MS operating system on top of another. I much prefer to
reformat and install on a clean system.

However MS don't make any reference to how the domain users and groups can
be migrated from an NT4 BDC to a new Active Directory server, does anyone
out there have experience of upgrading via this path? The data can easily
be backed up and restored however it's the users and groups that I want to
be able to migrate and haven't found an obvious way of doing it.

I'm going to do a test run with a couple of PCs set up as NT4 PDC and BDC to
try out the process but any advice from people who have 'been there and done
that' would be most useful.

Paul.


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This isn't a Vantage related question but I thought I'd ask anyway as this
group is often extremely helpful :-)

We have a number of NT4 domain servers (PDC and a couple of BDCs) that we're
planning to upgrade to Windows 2000 or 2003 Server and I'm starting to plan
through the upgrade process at the moment. Careful planning always pays off
when it comes to doing things with business-critical servers!

Microsoft's deployment guides state that the PDC must be upgraded prior to
the BDCs and they describe installing the new OS over the top of the old one
to maintain the user groups and keep the data. Now my experience tells me
that this is a bad idea and you're just asking for reliability problems when
installing one MS operating system on top of another. I much prefer to
reformat and install on a clean system.

However MS don't make any reference to how the domain users and groups can
be migrated from an NT4 BDC to a new Active Directory server, does anyone
out there have experience of upgrading via this path? The data can easily
be backed up and restored however it's the users and groups that I want to
be able to migrate and haven't found an obvious way of doing it.

I'm going to do a test run with a couple of PCs set up as NT4 PDC and BDC to
try out the process but any advice from people who have 'been there and done
that' would be most useful.

Paul.


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Our attempts to upgrade from NT4 to Windows 2000 was a disaster. We spent
many weekends trying and found that the only way to get a reliable and
stable system was to do a fresh install of Windows 2000 and reenter all of
the users and groups. We looked for tools to migrate the user/group data to
active directory but was unable to find anything. Our only luck was that we
had not yet installed Exchange and didn't have to worry about moving it.
The only good news I can offer is that so far our upgrades from 2000 to 2003
have been very smooth and painless.
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Oliver [mailto:p.oliver@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


This isn't a Vantage related question but I thought I'd ask anyway as this
group is often extremely helpful :-)

We have a number of NT4 domain servers (PDC and a couple of BDCs) that we're
planning to upgrade to Windows 2000 or 2003 Server and I'm starting to plan
through the upgrade process at the moment. Careful planning always pays off
when it comes to doing things with business-critical servers!

Microsoft's deployment guides state that the PDC must be upgraded prior to
the BDCs and they describe installing the new OS over the top of the old one
to maintain the user groups and keep the data. Now my experience tells me
that this is a bad idea and you're just asking for reliability problems when
installing one MS operating system on top of another. I much prefer to
reformat and install on a clean system.

However MS don't make any reference to how the domain users and groups can
be migrated from an NT4 BDC to a new Active Directory server, does anyone
out there have experience of upgrading via this path? The data can easily
be backed up and restored however it's the users and groups that I want to
be able to migrate and haven't found an obvious way of doing it.

I'm going to do a test run with a couple of PCs set up as NT4 PDC and BDC to
try out the process but any advice from people who have 'been there and done
that' would be most useful.

Paul.


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I'm not to familar with the NT4 upgrade process. I'm sure microsoft has some information on it. I too would rather install on a clean system. With that in mind, how about this thought. What if you install 2000/2003 server on your PDC. This will maintain the user groups but might give your problems with other parts of the system. As this point, take a clean server with 2000/2003 on it and promote it to the primary Active directory server. Then you can wipe out the old one and install a clean copy of 2000/2003 on it. Then if you like, you can take that server with the same computer name and settings as it was when it was an NT4 server and promote it back to the Primary. This keeps the security information intact and gives you a fresh copy of 2000/2003. Give that a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Oliver [mailto:p.oliver@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


This isn't a Vantage related question but I thought I'd ask anyway as this
group is often extremely helpful :-)

We have a number of NT4 domain servers (PDC and a couple of BDCs) that we're
planning to upgrade to Windows 2000 or 2003 Server and I'm starting to plan
through the upgrade process at the moment. Careful planning always pays off
when it comes to doing things with business-critical servers!

Microsoft's deployment guides state that the PDC must be upgraded prior to
the BDCs and they describe installing the new OS over the top of the old one
to maintain the user groups and keep the data. Now my experience tells me
that this is a bad idea and you're just asking for reliability problems when
installing one MS operating system on top of another. I much prefer to
reformat and install on a clean system.

However MS don't make any reference to how the domain users and groups can
be migrated from an NT4 BDC to a new Active Directory server, does anyone
out there have experience of upgrading via this path? The data can easily
be backed up and restored however it's the users and groups that I want to
be able to migrate and haven't found an obvious way of doing it.

I'm going to do a test run with a couple of PCs set up as NT4 PDC and BDC to
try out the process but any advice from people who have 'been there and done
that' would be most useful.

Paul.


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I don't believe this will work because the PDC becomes the Global Catalog
Server (First Tree in the Forrestthingy) and it can't be moved. (If I
remember correctly, its been two years)
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Jasper Recto [mailto:jrecto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


I'm not to familar with the NT4 upgrade process. I'm sure microsoft has some
information on it. I too would rather install on a clean system. With that
in mind, how about this thought. What if you install 2000/2003 server on
your PDC. This will maintain the user groups but might give your problems
with other parts of the system. As this point, take a clean server with
2000/2003 on it and promote it to the primary Active directory server. Then
you can wipe out the old one and install a clean copy of 2000/2003 on it.
Then if you like, you can take that server with the same computer name and
settings as it was when it was an NT4 server and promote it back to the
Primary. This keeps the security information intact and gives you a fresh
copy of 2000/2003. Give that a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Oliver [mailto:p.oliver@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


This isn't a Vantage related question but I thought I'd ask anyway as this
group is often extremely helpful :-)

We have a number of NT4 domain servers (PDC and a couple of BDCs) that we're
planning to upgrade to Windows 2000 or 2003 Server and I'm starting to plan
through the upgrade process at the moment. Careful planning always pays off
when it comes to doing things with business-critical servers!

Microsoft's deployment guides state that the PDC must be upgraded prior to
the BDCs and they describe installing the new OS over the top of the old one
to maintain the user groups and keep the data. Now my experience tells me
that this is a bad idea and you're just asking for reliability problems when
installing one MS operating system on top of another. I much prefer to
reformat and install on a clean system.

However MS don't make any reference to how the domain users and groups can
be migrated from an NT4 BDC to a new Active Directory server, does anyone
out there have experience of upgrading via this path? The data can easily
be backed up and restored however it's the users and groups that I want to
be able to migrate and haven't found an obvious way of doing it.

I'm going to do a test run with a couple of PCs set up as NT4 PDC and BDC to
try out the process but any advice from people who have 'been there and done
that' would be most useful.

Paul.


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Actually, it can be moved. Just do a search for this document on Microsofts website

Q295419

This document explains how to move it.
Jasper

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From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:38 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


I don't believe this will work because the PDC becomes the Global Catalog
Server (First Tree in the Forrestthingy) and it can't be moved. (If I
remember correctly, its been two years)
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Jasper Recto [mailto:jrecto@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


I'm not to familar with the NT4 upgrade process. I'm sure microsoft has some
information on it. I too would rather install on a clean system. With that
in mind, how about this thought. What if you install 2000/2003 server on
your PDC. This will maintain the user groups but might give your problems
with other parts of the system. As this point, take a clean server with
2000/2003 on it and promote it to the primary Active directory server. Then
you can wipe out the old one and install a clean copy of 2000/2003 on it.
Then if you like, you can take that server with the same computer name and
settings as it was when it was an NT4 server and promote it back to the
Primary. This keeps the security information intact and gives you a fresh
copy of 2000/2003. Give that a thought.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Oliver [mailto:p.oliver@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


This isn't a Vantage related question but I thought I'd ask anyway as this
group is often extremely helpful :-)

We have a number of NT4 domain servers (PDC and a couple of BDCs) that we're
planning to upgrade to Windows 2000 or 2003 Server and I'm starting to plan
through the upgrade process at the moment. Careful planning always pays off
when it comes to doing things with business-critical servers!

Microsoft's deployment guides state that the PDC must be upgraded prior to
the BDCs and they describe installing the new OS over the top of the old one
to maintain the user groups and keep the data. Now my experience tells me
that this is a bad idea and you're just asking for reliability problems when
installing one MS operating system on top of another. I much prefer to
reformat and install on a clean system.

However MS don't make any reference to how the domain users and groups can
be migrated from an NT4 BDC to a new Active Directory server, does anyone
out there have experience of upgrading via this path? The data can easily
be backed up and restored however it's the users and groups that I want to
be able to migrate and haven't found an obvious way of doing it.

I'm going to do a test run with a couple of PCs set up as NT4 PDC and BDC to
try out the process but any advice from people who have 'been there and done
that' would be most useful.

Paul.


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Paul,

We just went through this a couple of months ago, and for us it
was pretty simple. Do you have a spare PC or older server that
you could load NT4 on? Here's why:

1) Load NT4 server on a spare PC or server, create as BDC
2) After this BDC has synced up with the domain, promote it to PDC
3) By promoting the BDC, the existing PDC will become a BDC, now take
your former PDC down (allows you to go back to NT4 domain with no
problems
in case of problems)
4) Run the 2000/2003 upgrade on you new PDC, this will create your
Active Directory structures, etc - without compromising data,
users
5) Bring your BDC back online, now you have a Windows 2000 network with
NT4 BDCs. Now you can either upgrade your software on the BDCs, or
reformat and
Install win2000/3, then restore data.
6) Move all of your Server Roles(FSMO Roles) off of the first server
upgraded, and
onto the server that will be your Primary server. There is a
Microsoft KB article
about this.

Luckily we had some new servers to install at the time of our upgrade,
which really
helped in moving things around, and relatively painless after
reformatting, etc.

If you want some more detailed information, let me know. I'll be glad
to help.

Tim Care
System Administrator
Electro Chemical Finishing
616-531-0670 x 102


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Oliver [mailto:p.oliver@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


This isn't a Vantage related question but I thought I'd ask anyway as
this
group is often extremely helpful :-)

We have a number of NT4 domain servers (PDC and a couple of BDCs) that
we're
planning to upgrade to Windows 2000 or 2003 Server and I'm starting to
plan
through the upgrade process at the moment. Careful planning always pays
off
when it comes to doing things with business-critical servers!

Microsoft's deployment guides state that the PDC must be upgraded prior
to
the BDCs and they describe installing the new OS over the top of the old
one
to maintain the user groups and keep the data. Now my experience tells
me
that this is a bad idea and you're just asking for reliability problems
when
installing one MS operating system on top of another. I much prefer to
reformat and install on a clean system.

However MS don't make any reference to how the domain users and groups
can
be migrated from an NT4 BDC to a new Active Directory server, does
anyone
out there have experience of upgrading via this path? The data can
easily
be backed up and restored however it's the users and groups that I want
to
be able to migrate and haven't found an obvious way of doing it.

I'm going to do a test run with a couple of PCs set up as NT4 PDC and
BDC to
try out the process but any advice from people who have 'been there and
done
that' would be most useful.

Paul.


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Thanks for the suggestions guys, bringing a spare machine online as a
temporary server for the upgrade process certainly sounds like the best way
to do it and means that there's always a fallback in the event that the
upgrade goes horribly wrong.

All I need to do now is make sure I have up to date drivers for all the
hardware and plenty of strong coffee for the job!

Paul.


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From: "Tim Care" <ecfmis@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


> Paul,
>
> We just went through this a couple of months ago, and for us it
> was pretty simple. Do you have a spare PC or older server that
> you could load NT4 on? Here's why:
>
> 1) Load NT4 server on a spare PC or server, create as BDC
> 2) After this BDC has synced up with the domain, promote it to PDC
> 3) By promoting the BDC, the existing PDC will become a BDC, now take
> your former PDC down (allows you to go back to NT4 domain with no
> problems
> in case of problems)
> 4) Run the 2000/2003 upgrade on you new PDC, this will create your
> Active Directory structures, etc - without compromising data,
> users
> 5) Bring your BDC back online, now you have a Windows 2000 network with
> NT4 BDCs. Now you can either upgrade your software on the BDCs, or
> reformat and
> Install win2000/3, then restore data.
> 6) Move all of your Server Roles(FSMO Roles) off of the first server
> upgraded, and
> onto the server that will be your Primary server. There is a
> Microsoft KB article
> about this.
>
> Luckily we had some new servers to install at the time of our upgrade,
> which really
> helped in moving things around, and relatively painless after
> reformatting, etc.
>
> If you want some more detailed information, let me know. I'll be glad
> to help.
>
> Tim Care
> System Administrator
> Electro Chemical Finishing
> 616-531-0670 x 102
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Oliver [mailto:p.oliver@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:35 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade
>
>
> This isn't a Vantage related question but I thought I'd ask anyway as
> this
> group is often extremely helpful :-)
>
> We have a number of NT4 domain servers (PDC and a couple of BDCs) that
> we're
> planning to upgrade to Windows 2000 or 2003 Server and I'm starting to
> plan
> through the upgrade process at the moment. Careful planning always pays
> off
> when it comes to doing things with business-critical servers!
>
> Microsoft's deployment guides state that the PDC must be upgraded prior
> to
> the BDCs and they describe installing the new OS over the top of the old
> one
> to maintain the user groups and keep the data. Now my experience tells
> me
> that this is a bad idea and you're just asking for reliability problems
> when
> installing one MS operating system on top of another. I much prefer to
> reformat and install on a clean system.
>
> However MS don't make any reference to how the domain users and groups
> can
> be migrated from an NT4 BDC to a new Active Directory server, does
> anyone
> out there have experience of upgrading via this path? The data can
> easily
> be backed up and restored however it's the users and groups that I want
> to
> be able to migrate and haven't found an obvious way of doing it.
>
> I'm going to do a test run with a couple of PCs set up as NT4 PDC and
> BDC to
> try out the process but any advice from people who have 'been there and
> done
> that' would be most useful.
>
> Paul.
>
>
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9
Installing to a temporary machine is the way we did our upgrade. It worked
fairly well. The problem is pulling the temporary machine out of the
network once you're done with it. We had to watch the event logs for a
while to find all services that were still looking for the temporary server
- not a big deal, and our network runs great now.

Chris Gitzlaff
IS Manager
Major Industries, Inc.
(715) 842-4616

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Care [mailto:ecfmis@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


Paul,

We just went through this a couple of months ago, and for us it was pretty
simple. Do you have a spare PC or older server that
you could load NT4 on? Here's why:

1) Load NT4 server on a spare PC or server, create as BDC
2) After this BDC has synced up with the domain, promote it to PDC
3) By promoting the BDC, the existing PDC will become a BDC, now take
your former PDC down (allows you to go back to NT4 domain with no
problems
in case of problems)
4) Run the 2000/2003 upgrade on you new PDC, this will create your
Active Directory structures, etc - without compromising data, users
5) Bring your BDC back online, now you have a Windows 2000 network with
NT4 BDCs. Now you can either upgrade your software on the BDCs, or
reformat and
Install win2000/3, then restore data.
6) Move all of your Server Roles(FSMO Roles) off of the first server
upgraded, and
onto the server that will be your Primary server. There is a Microsoft
KB article
about this.

Luckily we had some new servers to install at the time of our upgrade, which
really helped in moving things around, and relatively painless after
reformatting, etc.

If you want some more detailed information, let me know. I'll be glad to
help.

Tim Care
System Administrator
Electro Chemical Finishing
616-531-0670 x 102


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Oliver [mailto:p.oliver@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:35 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] NT Server upgrade


This isn't a Vantage related question but I thought I'd ask anyway as this
group is often extremely helpful :-)

We have a number of NT4 domain servers (PDC and a couple of BDCs) that we're
planning to upgrade to Windows 2000 or 2003 Server and I'm starting to plan
through the upgrade process at the moment. Careful planning always pays off
when it comes to doing things with business-critical servers!

Microsoft's deployment guides state that the PDC must be upgraded prior to
the BDCs and they describe installing the new OS over the top of the old one
to maintain the user groups and keep the data. Now my experience tells me
that this is a bad idea and you're just asking for reliability problems when
installing one MS operating system on top of another. I much prefer to
reformat and install on a clean system.

However MS don't make any reference to how the domain users and groups can
be migrated from an NT4 BDC to a new Active Directory server, does anyone
out there have experience of upgrading via this path? The data can easily
be backed up and restored however it's the users and groups that I want to
be able to migrate and haven't found an obvious way of doing it.

I'm going to do a test run with a couple of PCs set up as NT4 PDC and BDC to
try out the process but any advice from people who have 'been there and done
that' would be most useful.

Paul.


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expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the
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