Server - House Cleaning

Thad,

Thanks to you and others for the info as we are going to go from 3.0 to
5.0 during our July 4th shutdown week and need all the information we
can get. And by the way, we live at the home of "Krispy Kreme"
doughnuts, (with "K"s) and we'll get them weekly from one vendor or
another.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [SMTP:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:15 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning

Greg,

Yes, I have to admit that cleaning a house is less cumbersome
then buying
and moving into a new one.

We had similar problems when upgrading our server. It wasn't
the server
Vantage was on, but things were Very Slow. (how can a 900MHZ
machine become
slower than a 133MHZ novell box?)

It ended up being a TCP / IP stack registry key change.

The guys at www.waypointnetworksolutions.com were the ones that
fixed it.

They're located in central CA, and willing to travel. They are
the most
knowledgeable, professional I've seen, and bring us Doughnuts
every time
they visit us - Crispy Creme Doughnuts.

They might be able to resolve your problem over the phone. Tell
them
Thaddeus refered you.

You'll want to check your resource meters on the server, and on
the
workstation when trying to log on to vantage. If neither of the
workstations are showing very high CPU useage, it could be a
switch or
other network hardware issue, or drivers, or some needed
registry change.
If the CPU is tach'd out, than the machine may just be too slow.

Of course, the fact that your fast machines do just fine
indicates that it
probably isn't the exact same problem we had.

Is the performance problem specific to clients with a certain
operating
system? You may want to do some large file transfer on the
server, and see
if the performance issue is only affecting vantage, or if it is
affecting
all network thouroughput between the server and the affected
clients.

You probably already have, but make sure the registry has been
cleaned on
both the client and server machines from old versions, but not
"over-cleaned"

Good Luck,

Thaddeus Jacobs
Assistant LAN Technologist / Vantage Support
Kinematic Automation, Inc
mailto:tjacobs@...


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Anyone have a procedure for cleaning out old versions of Vantage.
I'm on 5.0

Uninstall progress 8.0, 9.0, etc...
Delete the DCD,DWC,EPICOR folders from older versions.
Regedit and delete for {Server Name}\DCD, then DWC, then epicor
Anything else?

Patrick Winter
fdisk and reformat! ;)


"Winter, Patrick" wrote:

> Anyone have a procedure for cleaning out old versions of Vantage.
> I'm on 5.0
>
> Uninstall progress 8.0, 9.0, etc...
> Delete the DCD,DWC,EPICOR folders from older versions.
> Regedit and delete for {Server Name}\DCD, then DWC, then epicor
> Anything else?
>
> Patrick Winter
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[Image]

[Image] www.


>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

--
Britt Moelling
M&M Manufacturing Co.



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Patrick,

Be careful when going through the registry that you do not delete any of the
eMFG 5.0 keys.

It would suggest consulting with epicor before deleting a bunch of stuff,
especially if this is a live production database.

It would be nice if someone had a list of all the registry keys for each of
the versions. That's something at least Epicor's programmers should have.

Well, have fun,

Thaddeus

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:15 AM
To: Vantage User Group on Onelist (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


Anyone have a procedure for cleaning out old versions of Vantage.
I'm on 5.0

Uninstall progress 8.0, 9.0, etc...
Delete the DCD,DWC,EPICOR folders from older versions.
Regedit and delete for {Server Name}\DCD, then DWC, then epicor
Anything else?

Patrick Winter

To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
In a production environment, why spend the time fdisking and reformatting?
Just BUY A NEW HARD DRIVE!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Britt Moelling [mailto:bmoelling@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


fdisk and reformat! ;)


"Winter, Patrick" wrote:

> Anyone have a procedure for cleaning out old versions of Vantage.
> I'm on 5.0
>
> Uninstall progress 8.0, 9.0, etc...
> Delete the DCD,DWC,EPICOR folders from older versions.
> Regedit and delete for {Server Name}\DCD, then DWC, then epicor
> Anything else?
>
> Patrick Winter
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[Image]

[Image] www.


>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

--
Britt Moelling
M&M Manufacturing Co.



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To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
This is how you uninstall old versions of Vantage by buying a new hard
drive?
I wish I had your budget and free time to work on servers.

Patrick :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:58 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


In a production environment, why spend the time fdisking and reformatting?
Just BUY A NEW HARD DRIVE!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Britt Moelling [mailto:bmoelling@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


fdisk and reformat! ;)


"Winter, Patrick" wrote:

> Anyone have a procedure for cleaning out old versions of Vantage.
> I'm on 5.0
>
> Uninstall progress 8.0, 9.0, etc...
> Delete the DCD,DWC,EPICOR folders from older versions.
> Regedit and delete for {Server Name}\DCD, then DWC, then epicor
> Anything else?
>
> Patrick Winter
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[Image]

[Image] www.


>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

--
Britt Moelling
M&M Manufacturing Co.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I'm just saying if you ever get to the point of needing to Fdisk and
reformat your server, as Britt suggested, that is often a good time to
upgrade to a bigger, faster hard drive. Kill two birds with one stone, if
in fact there are two birds to kill.

Thad :P

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:33 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


This is how you uninstall old versions of Vantage by buying a new hard
drive?
I wish I had your budget and free time to work on servers.

Patrick :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:58 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


In a production environment, why spend the time fdisking and reformatting?
Just BUY A NEW HARD DRIVE!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Britt Moelling [mailto:bmoelling@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


fdisk and reformat! ;)


"Winter, Patrick" wrote:

> Anyone have a procedure for cleaning out old versions of Vantage.
> I'm on 5.0
>
> Uninstall progress 8.0, 9.0, etc...
> Delete the DCD,DWC,EPICOR folders from older versions.
> Regedit and delete for {Server Name}\DCD, then DWC, then epicor
> Anything else?
>
> Patrick Winter
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[Image]

[Image] www.


>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

--
Britt Moelling
M&M Manufacturing Co.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
And then when you _attempt_ to switch to the new server you enjoy problems
like I have of very slow connection times for existing machines. New
machines connect fine. And you can take a look at the hardware and realize
its all the same, and then attempt to clean out the registry and still not
fix it. Have epicor come out and not be able to resolve it. Have their
Tech Support department tell you that customers do experience this and run
out of ideas..

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:08 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


I'm just saying if you ever get to the point of needing to Fdisk and
reformat your server, as Britt suggested, that is often a good time to
upgrade to a bigger, faster hard drive. Kill two birds with one stone, if
in fact there are two birds to kill.

Thad :P

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:33 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


This is how you uninstall old versions of Vantage by buying a new hard
drive?
I wish I had your budget and free time to work on servers.

Patrick :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:58 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


In a production environment, why spend the time fdisking and reformatting?
Just BUY A NEW HARD DRIVE!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Britt Moelling [mailto:bmoelling@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:57 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Server - House Cleaning


fdisk and reformat! ;)


"Winter, Patrick" wrote:

> Anyone have a procedure for cleaning out old versions of Vantage.
> I'm on 5.0
>
> Uninstall progress 8.0, 9.0, etc...
> Delete the DCD,DWC,EPICOR folders from older versions.
> Regedit and delete for {Server Name}\DCD, then DWC, then epicor
> Anything else?
>
> Patrick Winter
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[Image]

[Image] www.


>
> To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

--
Britt Moelling
M&M Manufacturing Co.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. Note: You must have already
linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Greg,

Yes, I have to admit that cleaning a house is less cumbersome then buying
and moving into a new one.

We had similar problems when upgrading our server. It wasn't the server
Vantage was on, but things were Very Slow. (how can a 900MHZ machine become
slower than a 133MHZ novell box?)

It ended up being a TCP / IP stack registry key change.

The guys at www.waypointnetworksolutions.com were the ones that fixed it.

They're located in central CA, and willing to travel. They are the most
knowledgeable, professional I've seen, and bring us Doughnuts every time
they visit us - Crispy Creme Doughnuts.

They might be able to resolve your problem over the phone. Tell them
Thaddeus refered you.

You'll want to check your resource meters on the server, and on the
workstation when trying to log on to vantage. If neither of the
workstations are showing very high CPU useage, it could be a switch or
other network hardware issue, or drivers, or some needed registry change.
If the CPU is tach'd out, than the machine may just be too slow.

Of course, the fact that your fast machines do just fine indicates that it
probably isn't the exact same problem we had.

Is the performance problem specific to clients with a certain operating
system? You may want to do some large file transfer on the server, and see
if the performance issue is only affecting vantage, or if it is affecting
all network thouroughput between the server and the affected clients.

You probably already have, but make sure the registry has been cleaned on
both the client and server machines from old versions, but not
"over-cleaned"

Good Luck,

Thaddeus Jacobs
Assistant LAN Technologist / Vantage Support
Kinematic Automation, Inc
mailto:tjacobs@...