Server Specs

Hi
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We have tried that.
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We have our Apps/Dbs all stopping and starting on a night to sort other errors, and generally the PID that is locked on CPU is not visible in the logs and the PID that started it in the logs has been closed by stopping and starting the apps and db and the PID that is running in task manager is not available in Progress Explorer Tools PIDS.
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Any other info would be appreciated.

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To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012, 13:35
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs


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You can find out what those processes are doing when they peg at 13%, that
usually means they are using a full core from a total of 8 processor cores?

First you should check your System Monitor to see what is going on, if it's
a report or specifically run process, it will be noted there. The next step
is to make sure your main appserver logs are set to verbose, and then you
can actually look up the PID and get an answer as to what that PID is
actually doing based on the last actions called by it.

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Hi
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We have no scheduling other than global alerts.
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It has been an issue since we went live with epicor.
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Peicor have looked into all kinds of things including licenceing etc.
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Nothing has done the trick.
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Sometimes we get PIDs for Apps that stick at 13% CPU.
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All logs are fine.
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Strange

From: John Driggers <waffqle@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012, 14:04
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs

If you're having issues with people being unable to login or apps hanging, I
would suggest that there may be more than just performance issues here.

I would try to figure out what is preventing the logins first. If you've got
custom code building sessions or an incorrectly scheduled process that is
tying up your app servers that could cause this type of scenario.

Obviously you know your system/situation better than I do, but I'd be pretty
hesitant to attribute stability issues to performance.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Chris Thompson
<chriselectrix@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Are you Progress or SQL?
>
> Maybe the performance of our legacy system was so good it makes
> everything look poor.
>
> We are constantly having issues with users not being able to log in,
> or apps that wont stop.
>
> Plus things like Inventory WIP report take 4-6 hours to run for a month.
>
> From: John Driggers <waffqle@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 17:57
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs
>
>
> I've got a 4 socket, 32gb box with 8 SSD that I bought from Dell for
> about that price.
>
> That said, we split it between Epicor and a terminal server and have
> no real performance issues.
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, John Kreger <lilj8069@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > I built our production and backup server from scratch for around
> > $7000 a piece. We've really had no issues on 9.05.607b currently.
> > Here's a copy
> of
> > our specs for your perusal:
> >
> > Component Qty Item Model Number Price Total Processor 2 Intel Xeon
> > 2.93 GHz Processor Intel X5570 $1,399 $2,798 Motherboard 1 Intel
> > Server Board Intel S5520URT $518 $518 RAM 2 OCZ Gold DDR3-1333Mhz
> > Memory 12GB OCZ3G1600LV12GS $215 $430 Case 1 Chenbro 3U General
> > Purpose Server Chassis Chenbro RM31408T-ET $685 $685
> >
> > 8 Hot Swap drive bays, 650w redundant power supply
> >
> > Storage Controller 1 PCI-Express x8 SAS 8 port Intel RSBL080DE $650
> > $650 Storage
> > RAID 10 8 15K.6 146GB 15000 RPM 16MB Cache SAS 3Gb/s Seagate
> > ST3146356SS
> > $170 $1,360 CD/DVD R/W 1 Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD-R/RW Sony
> > AD-7240S-0B
> > $20 $20 Riser Card 1 Intel SR2600/2625 5 Slot PCI-E Active Riser
> > Intel ASR26XXFHLPR $76 $76
> >
> > Total $6,537
> > With what I know now, the only change I would make would be to SSD's
> > as
> the
> > data access speed seems to be our only bottleneck. I've also added a
> > 4
> port
> > Intel fiber network card and use the on-board dual NIC's as a fail-over.
> > MRP, scheduling, and most other processes run in mere minutes overnight.
> > We've never had login issues. I know alot of people are skeptical of
> > self built machines but it really got us a huge savings compared to
> > going with DELL or HP.
> >
> >
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My HP server is no longer supported under maintenance by HP. We were
considering going to 8.0 some time next year so now I am in the hunt for a
new server. What are the real specs for 15 users, 8 data collection users
and a 1.4 gig database? We also have CorVu and advanced shipping on this
server.



Your comments would be appreciated.



Sincerely,



Mitchell Kirby

Riten Industries, Inc.

<http://www.riten.com/> www.riten.com



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If you plan on implementing after imaging, you will want three mirrored
drives.

Otherwise you can get away with two.

One array for your OS and VM file, the other for your Progress Bi files.



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Subject: [Vantage] Server Specs



My HP server is no longer supported under maintenance by HP. We were
considering going to 8.0 some time next year so now I am in the hunt for
a
new server. What are the real specs for 15 users, 8 data collection
users
and a 1.4 gig database? We also have CorVu and advanced shipping on
this
server.



Your comments would be appreciated.



Sincerely,



Mitchell Kirby

Riten Industries, Inc.

<http://www.riten.com/> www.riten.com



740-333-8719 Direct

800-338-0027 Sales

800-338-0717 FAX





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Mitchell,

There are hardware requirements available on Epicor's website as well
as a link to a document for sizing - Progress Sizing Guide for Vantage 8.

https://epicweb.epicor.com/SupportVantage/Resources/Vantage%208.0%20Hardware%20Requirements.aspx

Hope this helps.

Rich
Thanks. I just went through the sizing documents. Did those of you on
Version 8 find these to be realistic? I don't cut corners on servers. If
anything I tend to be over zealous on hardware specs for servers. Probably
why we are just now outgrowing our 5 year old HP Netserver.

Anybody want to weigh in on the relative merits of hardware vendors? I use
Dell for workstations, but have always used HP for servers.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

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Subject: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs

Mitchell,

There are hardware requirements available on Epicor's website as well
as a link to a document for sizing - Progress Sizing Guide for Vantage 8.

https://epicweb.epicor.com/SupportVantage/Resources/Vantage%208.0%20Hardware
%20Requirements.aspx

Hope this helps.

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If you are going to purchase Name Brand boxes, I would have to agree on HP.
My personal preference is to scratch build them, because you can get more
horse power per dollar. But a scratch built I think is only good on a
smaller size network (Under 50 workstations) and if you're able to keep
sufficient spares to cover any given disaster.

Shirley Graver
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Rubber Associates Inc.

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Thanks. I just went through the sizing documents. Did those of you on
Version 8 find these to be realistic? I don't cut corners on servers. If
anything I tend to be over zealous on hardware specs for servers. Probably
why we are just now outgrowing our 5 year old HP Netserver.

Anybody want to weigh in on the relative merits of hardware vendors? I use
Dell for workstations, but have always used HP for servers.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

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Mitchell,

There are hardware requirements available on Epicor's website as well
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https://epicweb.epicor.com/SupportVantage/Resources/Vantage%208.0%20Hardware
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I have used HP/Compaq.
But the requirements for a server I think have bloated.
Is all that memory doing something?
It seems to me that the model has changed to having everything in memory
And use drives for long term storage.

What do you all think?

John Mansfield
General Sheet Metal



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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:23 PM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server specs, hardware vendors

If you are going to purchase Name Brand boxes, I would have to agree on
HP.
My personal preference is to scratch build them, because you can get
more
horse power per dollar. But a scratch built I think is only good on a
smaller size network (Under 50 workstations) and if you're able to keep
sufficient spares to cover any given disaster.

Shirley Graver
Systems Administrator
Rubber Associates Inc.

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Thanks. I just went through the sizing documents. Did those of you on
Version 8 find these to be realistic? I don't cut corners on servers.
If
anything I tend to be over zealous on hardware specs for servers.
Probably
why we are just now outgrowing our 5 year old HP Netserver.

Anybody want to weigh in on the relative merits of hardware vendors? I
use
Dell for workstations, but have always used HP for servers.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

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Mitchell,

There are hardware requirements available on Epicor's website as well
as a link to a document for sizing - Progress Sizing Guide for Vantage
8.

https://epicweb.epicor.com/SupportVantage/Resources/Vantage%208.0%20Hard
ware
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At 12:28 PM 3/20/2006, you wrote:
>I have used HP/Compaq.

I bought Compaq for our 1st vantage server in 1999. Won't make that
mistake again. Esp now that they're just a 2nd string brand name,
and not their own company. Very non-standard quirky hardware.

Just recently bought a little Dell SC430 server for our office, and I
like it a lot. Not entirely white-box standard hardware, but solid
reliable design & construction with no quirks.

>Is all that memory doing something? It seems to me that the model
>has changed to having everything in memory And use drives for long
>term storage. What do you all think?

Memory is cheap and fast, so why not? Most your Vantage DBs are only
a couple gigs. There's no point spending big $$$ on a fancy raid
system for I/O Performance, if you can cache the whole dang
thing. Mirror the drives for reliability, spend the savings on good
backup devices, network infrastructure, or what ever.

BTW, anyone else using Exabyte VXA tape drives? They
rock! http://www.exabyte.com/


-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three, Inc. - Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338
As per your observations regarding bloated server specifications, especially
memory, an examination of the process and the thread requirements to run a
single production database and a training/testing database under Vantage 8
results in no fewer that 39 active processes spawning over 290 active
threads! Please note that this does NOT include the additional overhead
required to run any of the ancillary processes like SonicMQ, Web Services,
IIS, SQL Server, et. cetera. Considering that even a dual processor dual
core Xeon server with hyperthreading enabled can only process 8 concurrent
execution threads, adding the additional latency of magnetic storage would
be a tremendous performance penalty.

As Wayne noted, considering that ram is cheap and most DB's are below 2GB,
caching the whole thing into memory and using magnetic drives as second tier
storage is a very viable solution.

When evaluating servers, the IBM/Dell/HP triumvirate are always worthy of
consideration but don't forget about Sun. Their latest foray into AMD x64
servers are extremely competitive in both price and performance. A
similarly spec'd Sunfire x4200 or V40Z will blow the doors off of comparable
offerings from the Big Three for a lot less money and, since you can even
trade in your old box, it makes the price just that much more competitive.

Hope all this just adds to the confusion.

Best regards,

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:28 AM
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Subject: Spam RE: [Vantage] Server specs, hardware vendors

I have used HP/Compaq.
But the requirements for a server I think have bloated.
Is all that memory doing something?
It seems to me that the model has changed to having everything in memory And
use drives for long term storage.

What do you all think?

John Mansfield
General Sheet Metal



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Shirley Graver
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:23 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server specs, hardware vendors

If you are going to purchase Name Brand boxes, I would have to agree on HP.
My personal preference is to scratch build them, because you can get more
horse power per dollar. But a scratch built I think is only good on a
smaller size network (Under 50 workstations) and if you're able to keep
sufficient spares to cover any given disaster.

Shirley Graver
Systems Administrator
Rubber Associates Inc.

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Thanks. I just went through the sizing documents. Did those of you on
Version 8 find these to be realistic? I don't cut corners on servers.
If
anything I tend to be over zealous on hardware specs for servers.
Probably
why we are just now outgrowing our 5 year old HP Netserver.

Anybody want to weigh in on the relative merits of hardware vendors? I use
Dell for workstations, but have always used HP for servers.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

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Mitchell,

There are hardware requirements available on Epicor's website as well as a
link to a document for sizing - Progress Sizing Guide for Vantage 8.

https://epicweb.epicor.com/SupportVantage/Resources/Vantage%208.0%20Hard
ware
%20Requirements.aspx

Hope this helps.

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Being new to the group, I was curious to see if there was any positive feedback with regards to the usage of Vantage/Progress DB in the Linux environment. With the focus on hardware listed in this thread, is it possible to get some performance increases with the use of leaner/ess overhead OS?

Jose Fernandez
Ranor, Inc.
John Mansfield <johnm@...> wrote: I have used HP/Compaq.
But the requirements for a server I think have bloated.
Is all that memory doing something?
It seems to me that the model has changed to having everything in memory
And use drives for long term storage.

What do you all think?

John Mansfield
General Sheet Metal



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If you are going to purchase Name Brand boxes, I would have to agree on
HP.
My personal preference is to scratch build them, because you can get
more
horse power per dollar. But a scratch built I think is only good on a
smaller size network (Under 50 workstations) and if you're able to keep
sufficient spares to cover any given disaster.

Shirley Graver
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Rubber Associates Inc.

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Thanks. I just went through the sizing documents. Did those of you on
Version 8 find these to be realistic? I don't cut corners on servers.
If
anything I tend to be over zealous on hardware specs for servers.
Probably
why we are just now outgrowing our 5 year old HP Netserver.

Anybody want to weigh in on the relative merits of hardware vendors? I
use
Dell for workstations, but have always used HP for servers.

Sincerely,

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Riten Industries, Inc.
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Mitchell,

There are hardware requirements available on Epicor's website as well
as a link to a document for sizing - Progress Sizing Guide for Vantage
8.

https://epicweb.epicor.com/SupportVantage/Resources/Vantage%208.0%20Hard
ware
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For those with a masochistic technology bent, the following is the link to
the V8 thread examination documentation:

http://www.aspacia.com/documents/V8Threadlist.pdf

Enjoy!

Michael

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Michael Barry
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As per your observations regarding bloated server specifications, especially
memory, an examination of the process and the thread requirements to run a
single production database and a training/testing database under Vantage 8
results in no fewer that 39 active processes spawning over 290 active
threads! Please note that this does NOT include the additional overhead
required to run any of the ancillary processes like SonicMQ, Web Services,
IIS, SQL Server, et. cetera. Considering that even a dual processor dual
core Xeon server with hyperthreading enabled can only process 8 concurrent
execution threads, adding the additional latency of magnetic storage would
be a tremendous performance penalty.

As Wayne noted, considering that ram is cheap and most DB's are below 2GB,
caching the whole thing into memory and using magnetic drives as second tier
storage is a very viable solution.

When evaluating servers, the IBM/Dell/HP triumvirate are always worthy of
consideration but don't forget about Sun. Their latest foray into AMD x64
servers are extremely competitive in both price and performance. A
similarly spec'd Sunfire x4200 or V40Z will blow the doors off of comparable
offerings from the Big Three for a lot less money and, since you can even
trade in your old box, it makes the price just that much more competitive.

Hope all this just adds to the confusion.

Best regards,

Michael

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I have used HP/Compaq.
But the requirements for a server I think have bloated.
Is all that memory doing something?
It seems to me that the model has changed to having everything in memory And
use drives for long term storage.

What do you all think?

John Mansfield
General Sheet Metal



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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server specs, hardware vendors

If you are going to purchase Name Brand boxes, I would have to agree on HP.
My personal preference is to scratch build them, because you can get more
horse power per dollar. But a scratch built I think is only good on a
smaller size network (Under 50 workstations) and if you're able to keep
sufficient spares to cover any given disaster.

Shirley Graver
Systems Administrator
Rubber Associates Inc.

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Thanks. I just went through the sizing documents. Did those of you on
Version 8 find these to be realistic? I don't cut corners on servers.
If
anything I tend to be over zealous on hardware specs for servers.
Probably
why we are just now outgrowing our 5 year old HP Netserver.

Anybody want to weigh in on the relative merits of hardware vendors? I use
Dell for workstations, but have always used HP for servers.

Sincerely,

Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
www.riten.com

740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX

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Mitchell,

There are hardware requirements available on Epicor's website as well as a
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https://epicweb.epicor.com/SupportVantage/Resources/Vantage%208.0%20Hard
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Hi
Â
Has anyone seen the server specs for the latest version that is about to be released?
Â
For 41-150 users the spec is about 3x higher than anything that 3 IT companies that I spoke to have ever installed, and they deal with companies with > 100s of users running the likes of Navision and other ERP systems.
Â
Do you think this is where the so called performance enhancments have come from?
Â
For 41-150 users they want 4 x Xeon Ten-Core 2.4 or faster, 4 x SSD drives, 2 x SAS HDDs, 32 GB DDR3-1066 (or faster), then another 6 drives for OS as far as I can see.
Â
This to me is a massive spec.
Â
Any thoughts?

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Is this version 9.05.700? I agree with the Sod's but we are running over 40
users on a much smaller server than that with no real issues. Dual quad
core zeons @3.10 ghz and 16gb ram.


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Yes 9.05.700.
Â
We are running on above recommended spec for 505c for our no of users and performance is poor/unstable. We frequently have slow downs or issues where apps lock or users cant log in. We have had since day one and Epicor cant get tot he bottom of it.
Â
Think it's the turning point now of either battling on with Epicor and their poor support/performance/quality checks or start hunting around for something else.
Â
The server in question will cost approx £25-30k in the UK. Thats just for one server. We then need DR in place in case that fails, so thats another 25-30k.
Â
The likes of Sage ERP X3 and Microsoft Navision require a server in the region of £6k and they run quickly.
Â
It does make you think.

From: John Kreger <lilj8069@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 16:37
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs


Â
Is this version 9.05.700? I agree with the Sod's but we are running over 40
users on a much smaller server than that with no real issues. Dual quad
core zeons @3.10 ghz and 16gb ram.

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I built our production and backup server from scratch for around $7000 a
piece. We've really had no issues on 9.05.607b currently. Here's a copy of
our specs for your perusal:

Component Qty Item Model Number Price Total Processor 2 Intel Xeon
2.93 GHz Processor Intel X5570 $1,399 $2,798 Motherboard 1 Intel Server
Board Intel S5520URT $518 $518 RAM 2 OCZ Gold DDR3-1333Mhz Memory 12GB
OCZ3G1600LV12GS $215 $430 Case 1 Chenbro 3U General Purpose Server
Chassis Chenbro
RM31408T-ET $685 $685

8 Hot Swap drive bays, 650w redundant power supply


Storage Controller 1 PCI-Express x8 SAS 8 port Intel RSBL080DE $650
$650 Storage
RAID 10 8 15K.6 146GB 15000 RPM 16MB Cache SAS 3Gb/s Seagate ST3146356SS
$170 $1,360 CD/DVD R/W 1 Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD-R/RW Sony AD-7240S-0B
$20 $20 Riser Card 1 Intel SR2600/2625 5 Slot PCI-E Active Riser Intel
ASR26XXFHLPR $76 $76



Total $6,537
With what I know now, the only change I would make would be to SSD's as the
data access speed seems to be our only bottleneck. I've also added a 4 port
Intel fiber network card and use the on-board dual NIC's as a fail-over.
MRP, scheduling, and most other processes run in mere minutes overnight.
We've never had login issues. I know alot of people are skeptical of self
built machines but it really got us a huge savings compared to going with
DELL or HP.


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I've got a 4 socket, 32gb box with 8 SSD that I bought from Dell for about
that price.

That said, we split it between Epicor and a terminal server and have no
real performance issues.


On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, John Kreger <lilj8069@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I built our production and backup server from scratch for around $7000 a
> piece. We've really had no issues on 9.05.607b currently. Here's a copy of
> our specs for your perusal:
>
> Component Qty Item Model Number Price Total Processor 2 Intel Xeon
> 2.93 GHz Processor Intel X5570 $1,399 $2,798 Motherboard 1 Intel Server
> Board Intel S5520URT $518 $518 RAM 2 OCZ Gold DDR3-1333Mhz Memory 12GB
> OCZ3G1600LV12GS $215 $430 Case 1 Chenbro 3U General Purpose Server
> Chassis Chenbro
> RM31408T-ET $685 $685
>
> 8 Hot Swap drive bays, 650w redundant power supply
>
> Storage Controller 1 PCI-Express x8 SAS 8 port Intel RSBL080DE $650
> $650 Storage
> RAID 10 8 15K.6 146GB 15000 RPM 16MB Cache SAS 3Gb/s Seagate ST3146356SS
> $170 $1,360 CD/DVD R/W 1 Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD-R/RW Sony AD-7240S-0B
> $20 $20 Riser Card 1 Intel SR2600/2625 5 Slot PCI-E Active Riser Intel
> ASR26XXFHLPR $76 $76
>
> Total $6,537
> With what I know now, the only change I would make would be to SSD's as the
> data access speed seems to be our only bottleneck. I've also added a 4 port
> Intel fiber network card and use the on-board dual NIC's as a fail-over.
> MRP, scheduling, and most other processes run in mere minutes overnight.
> We've never had login issues. I know alot of people are skeptical of self
> built machines but it really got us a huge savings compared to going with
> DELL or HP.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Are you Progress or SQL?
Â
Maybe the performance of our legacy system was so good it makes everything look poor.
Â
We are constantly having issues with users not being able to log in, or apps that wont stop.
Â
Plus things like Inventory WIP report take 4-6 hours to run for a month.

From: John Driggers <waffqle@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 17:57
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs

I've got a 4 socket, 32gb box with 8 SSD that I bought from Dell for about
that price.

That said, we split it between Epicor and a terminal server and have no
real performance issues.


On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, John Kreger <lilj8069@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I built our production and backup server from scratch for around $7000 a
> piece. We've really had no issues on 9.05.607b currently. Here's a copy of
> our specs for your perusal:
>
> Component Qty Item Model Number Price Total Processor 2 Intel Xeon
> 2.93 GHz Processor Intel X5570 $1,399 $2,798 Motherboard 1 Intel Server
> Board Intel S5520URT $518 $518 RAM 2 OCZ Gold DDR3-1333Mhz Memory 12GB
> OCZ3G1600LV12GS $215 $430 Case 1 Chenbro 3U General Purpose Server
> Chassis Chenbro
> RM31408T-ET $685 $685
>
> 8 Hot Swap drive bays, 650w redundant power supply
>
> Storage Controller 1 PCI-Express x8 SAS 8 port Intel RSBL080DE $650
> $650 Storage
> RAID 10 8 15K.6 146GB 15000 RPM 16MB Cache SAS 3Gb/s Seagate ST3146356SS
> $170 $1,360 CD/DVD R/W 1 Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD-R/RW Sony AD-7240S-0B
> $20 $20 Riser Card 1 Intel SR2600/2625 5 Slot PCI-E Active Riser Intel
> ASR26XXFHLPR $76 $76
>
> Total $6,537
> With what I know now, the only change I would make would be to SSD's as the
> data access speed seems to be our only bottleneck. I've also added a 4 port
> Intel fiber network card and use the on-board dual NIC's as a fail-over.
> MRP, scheduling, and most other processes run in mere minutes overnight.
> We've never had login issues. I know alot of people are skeptical of self
> built machines but it really got us a huge savings compared to going with
> DELL or HP.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>



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If you're having issues with people being unable to login or apps hanging,
I would suggest that there may be more than just performance issues here.

I would try to figure out what is preventing the logins first. If you've
got custom code building sessions or an incorrectly scheduled process that
is tying up your app servers that could cause this type of scenario.

Obviously you know your system/situation better than I do, but I'd be
pretty hesitant to attribute stability issues to performance.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Are you Progress or SQL?
>
> Maybe the performance of our legacy system was so good it makes everything
> look poor.
>
> We are constantly having issues with users not being able to log in, or
> apps that wont stop.
>
> Plus things like Inventory WIP report take 4-6 hours to run for a month.
>
> From: John Driggers <waffqle@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 17:57
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs
>
>
> I've got a 4 socket, 32gb box with 8 SSD that I bought from Dell for about
> that price.
>
> That said, we split it between Epicor and a terminal server and have no
> real performance issues.
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, John Kreger <lilj8069@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > I built our production and backup server from scratch for around $7000 a
> > piece. We've really had no issues on 9.05.607b currently. Here's a copy
> of
> > our specs for your perusal:
> >
> > Component Qty Item Model Number Price Total Processor 2 Intel Xeon
> > 2.93 GHz Processor Intel X5570 $1,399 $2,798 Motherboard 1 Intel Server
> > Board Intel S5520URT $518 $518 RAM 2 OCZ Gold DDR3-1333Mhz Memory 12GB
> > OCZ3G1600LV12GS $215 $430 Case 1 Chenbro 3U General Purpose Server
> > Chassis Chenbro
> > RM31408T-ET $685 $685
> >
> > 8 Hot Swap drive bays, 650w redundant power supply
> >
> > Storage Controller 1 PCI-Express x8 SAS 8 port Intel RSBL080DE $650
> > $650 Storage
> > RAID 10 8 15K.6 146GB 15000 RPM 16MB Cache SAS 3Gb/s Seagate ST3146356SS
> > $170 $1,360 CD/DVD R/W 1 Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD-R/RW Sony AD-7240S-0B
> > $20 $20 Riser Card 1 Intel SR2600/2625 5 Slot PCI-E Active Riser Intel
> > ASR26XXFHLPR $76 $76
> >
> > Total $6,537
> > With what I know now, the only change I would make would be to SSD's as
> the
> > data access speed seems to be our only bottleneck. I've also added a 4
> port
> > Intel fiber network card and use the on-board dual NIC's as a fail-over.
> > MRP, scheduling, and most other processes run in mere minutes overnight.
> > We've never had login issues. I know alot of people are skeptical of self
> > built machines but it really got us a huge savings compared to going with
> > DELL or HP.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> *John Driggers*
> *High End Dev, System Design, Profit Drinking*
> *
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> *:: waffqle@...*
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>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
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> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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>
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Hi
Â
We have no scheduling other than global alerts.
Â
It has been an issue since we went live with epicor.
Â
Peicor have looked into all kinds of things including licenceing etc.
Â
Nothing has done the trick.
Â
Sometimes we get PIDs for Apps that stick at 13% CPU.
Â
All logs are fine.
Â
Strange

From: John Driggers <waffqle@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012, 14:04
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs

If you're having issues with people being unable to login or apps hanging,
I would suggest that there may be more than just performance issues here.

I would try to figure out what is preventing the logins first. If you've
got custom code building sessions or an incorrectly scheduled process that
is tying up your app servers that could cause this type of scenario.

Obviously you know your system/situation better than I do, but I'd be
pretty hesitant to attribute stability issues to performance.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Chris Thompson <chriselectrix@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Are you Progress or SQL?
>
> Maybe the performance of our legacy system was so good it makes everything
> look poor.
>
> We are constantly having issues with users not being able to log in, or
> apps that wont stop.
>
> Plus things like Inventory WIP report take 4-6 hours to run for a month.
>
> From: John Driggers <waffqle@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 17:57
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs
>
>
> I've got a 4 socket, 32gb box with 8 SSD that I bought from Dell for about
> that price.
>
> That said, we split it between Epicor and a terminal server and have no
> real performance issues.
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, John Kreger <lilj8069@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > I built our production and backup server from scratch for around $7000 a
> > piece. We've really had no issues on 9.05.607b currently. Here's a copy
> of
> > our specs for your perusal:
> >
> > Component Qty Item Model Number Price Total Processor 2 Intel Xeon
> > 2.93 GHz Processor Intel X5570 $1,399 $2,798 Motherboard 1 Intel Server
> > Board Intel S5520URT $518 $518 RAM 2 OCZ Gold DDR3-1333Mhz Memory 12GB
> > OCZ3G1600LV12GS $215 $430 Case 1 Chenbro 3U General Purpose Server
> > Chassis Chenbro
> > RM31408T-ET $685 $685
> >
> > 8 Hot Swap drive bays, 650w redundant power supply
> >
> > Storage Controller 1 PCI-Express x8 SAS 8 port Intel RSBL080DE $650
> > $650 Storage
> > RAID 10 8 15K.6 146GB 15000 RPM 16MB Cache SAS 3Gb/s Seagate ST3146356SS
> > $170 $1,360 CD/DVD R/W 1 Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD-R/RW Sony AD-7240S-0B
> > $20 $20 Riser Card 1 Intel SR2600/2625 5 Slot PCI-E Active Riser Intel
> > ASR26XXFHLPR $76 $76
> >
> > Total $6,537
> > With what I know now, the only change I would make would be to SSD's as
> the
> > data access speed seems to be our only bottleneck. I've also added a 4
> port
> > Intel fiber network card and use the on-board dual NIC's as a fail-over.
> > MRP, scheduling, and most other processes run in mere minutes overnight.
> > We've never had login issues. I know alot of people are skeptical of self
> > built machines but it really got us a huge savings compared to going with
> > DELL or HP.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> *John Driggers*
> *High End Dev, System Design, Profit Drinking*
> *
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> *:: waffqle@...*
> *:: NO FAXES*
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note:Â You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>



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You can find out what those processes are doing when they peg at 13%, that
usually means they are using a full core from a total of 8 processor cores?

First you should check your System Monitor to see what is going on, if it's
a report or specifically run process, it will be noted there. The next step
is to make sure your main appserver logs are set to verbose, and then you
can actually look up the PID and get an answer as to what that PID is
actually doing based on the last actions called by it.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Chris Thompson
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:39 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs

Hi
Â
We have no scheduling other than global alerts.
Â
It has been an issue since we went live with epicor.
Â
Peicor have looked into all kinds of things including licenceing etc.
Â
Nothing has done the trick.
Â
Sometimes we get PIDs for Apps that stick at 13% CPU.
Â
All logs are fine.
Â
Strange

From: John Driggers <waffqle@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012, 14:04
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs

If you're having issues with people being unable to login or apps hanging, I
would suggest that there may be more than just performance issues here.

I would try to figure out what is preventing the logins first. If you've got
custom code building sessions or an incorrectly scheduled process that is
tying up your app servers that could cause this type of scenario.

Obviously you know your system/situation better than I do, but I'd be pretty
hesitant to attribute stability issues to performance.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Chris Thompson
<chriselectrix@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Are you Progress or SQL?
>
> Maybe the performance of our legacy system was so good it makes
> everything look poor.
>
> We are constantly having issues with users not being able to log in,
> or apps that wont stop.
>
> Plus things like Inventory WIP report take 4-6 hours to run for a month.
>
> From: John Driggers <waffqle@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 17:57
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Server Specs
>
>
> I've got a 4 socket, 32gb box with 8 SSD that I bought from Dell for
> about that price.
>
> That said, we split it between Epicor and a terminal server and have
> no real performance issues.
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, John Kreger <lilj8069@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > I built our production and backup server from scratch for around
> > $7000 a piece. We've really had no issues on 9.05.607b currently.
> > Here's a copy
> of
> > our specs for your perusal:
> >
> > Component Qty Item Model Number Price Total Processor 2 Intel Xeon
> > 2.93 GHz Processor Intel X5570 $1,399 $2,798 Motherboard 1 Intel
> > Server Board Intel S5520URT $518 $518 RAM 2 OCZ Gold DDR3-1333Mhz
> > Memory 12GB OCZ3G1600LV12GS $215 $430 Case 1 Chenbro 3U General
> > Purpose Server Chassis Chenbro RM31408T-ET $685 $685
> >
> > 8 Hot Swap drive bays, 650w redundant power supply
> >
> > Storage Controller 1 PCI-Express x8 SAS 8 port Intel RSBL080DE $650
> > $650 Storage
> > RAID 10 8 15K.6 146GB 15000 RPM 16MB Cache SAS 3Gb/s Seagate
> > ST3146356SS
> > $170 $1,360 CD/DVD R/W 1 Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD-R/RW Sony
> > AD-7240S-0B
> > $20 $20 Riser Card 1 Intel SR2600/2625 5 Slot PCI-E Active Riser
> > Intel ASR26XXFHLPR $76 $76
> >
> > Total $6,537
> > With what I know now, the only change I would make would be to SSD's
> > as
> the
> > data access speed seems to be our only bottleneck. I've also added a
> > 4
> port
> > Intel fiber network card and use the on-board dual NIC's as a fail-over.
> > MRP, scheduling, and most other processes run in mere minutes overnight.
> > We've never had login issues. I know alot of people are skeptical of
> > self built machines but it really got us a huge savings compared to
> > going with DELL or HP.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> *John Driggers*
> *High End Dev, System Design, Profit Drinking*
> *
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> *:: waffqle@...*
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>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note:Â You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
> )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>



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