Shop warnings

Shop warnings "are intended to keep supervisors informed of a job's status
or an employee's performance." This quote is from the Vantage help screen
concerning setup of shop warnings. The intent is good, but the
functionality leaves a lot to be desired.

1. Why "Report in Labor Entry" if there is nothing generated?
2. The message box for each error does pop up but intermittently I get a
progress 2910 error - FRAME used in WAIT-FOR statement is not VISIBLE.
WAIT-FOR terminated. (2910).
3. I have no way to choose who is to get the email when I choose to send an
alert. They only way I get to choose is after an alert error is generated,
then I have email interface. Once I do pick the email recipient, it still
generates an error that "a mail recipient is not in the address list", but
only when I choose a recipient other than the original.

This would be a GREAT tool with a little clean-up. It has been suggested so
through the WNY/PA users' group and I was hoping for something in Cairo, but
. . .

-----Original Message-----
From: sarah.vareschi@... [mailto:sarah.vareschi@...]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:27 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] shop warnings

Terry,

Shop Warnings do not require an email application be running. They generate
a little pop up on the screen in a little message box as you are putting the
time in. You CAN set them up to send an email to someone as well, and in
that case you would need email running, but you do not have to do that part
of it. We do not use shop warnings, but I learned how they work in a
training class. To get them running you have to do two things. First, go
into company configuration, Module configuration, Data Collection. Make
sure 'Use Shop Warnings' is checked. Next, go into Job Management, master
file maintenance, and open the Shop Warnings table. you will see a list of
warnings. double click the one you want to make active. Check off where
you want the error to be reported (i.e. Data collection, Labor Entry, and/or
Shop Tracker).

I just tried this in the test database and it worked (the little message box
popped up) in data collection, but it did not work in Labor Entry. I don't
know why.

Sarah



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You have to have a mail client running on the machine that generates the
warning.

In our case we use Outlook 97, which for security reasons is not installed
on the data collection machines in the plant. So we can't get any warnings
from shop employee generated transactions.

I believe the warnings can be set to also show up in shop tracker and labor
edit.

Regards

Jerry L. Solobay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry Williams [SMTP:tlw@...]
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:39 AM
> To: 'Vantage Onelist'
> Subject: [Vantage] shop warnings
>
> Anyone had any success with Shop Warnings? I don't mean global alerts,
> I'm
> referring to the shop warnings where I supposedly can send email to
> individuals when SHOP events occur - e.g. operation over estimate,
> quantity,
> etc. I've followed the help instructions but can't seem to get it to
> work.
>
> Terry L. Williams I.S. Manager Chipsco, Inc. 993 Liberty St. Ext.
> Meadville, PA 16335 814-333-6331 x236 fax: 814-337-2548
> tlw@...
> www.chipsco.com
>
>
>
>
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Jerry:
I have Outlook 2000 running, plus I'm entering labor manually from time
cards. What specific shop warning are you sending?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Solobay [mailto:jsolobay@...]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 1:54 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] shop warnings

You have to have a mail client running on the machine that generates the
warning.

In our case we use Outlook 97, which for security reasons is not installed
on the data collection machines in the plant. So we can't get any warnings
from shop employee generated transactions.

I believe the warnings can be set to also show up in shop tracker and labor
edit.

Regards

Jerry L. Solobay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry Williams [SMTP:tlw@...]
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:39 AM
> To: 'Vantage Onelist'
> Subject: [Vantage] shop warnings
>
> Anyone had any success with Shop Warnings? I don't mean global alerts,
> I'm
> referring to the shop warnings where I supposedly can send email to
> individuals when SHOP events occur - e.g. operation over estimate,
> quantity,
> etc. I've followed the help instructions but can't seem to get it to
> work.
>
> Terry L. Williams I.S. Manager Chipsco, Inc. 993 Liberty St. Ext.
> Meadville, PA 16335 814-333-6331 x236 fax: 814-337-2548
> tlw@...
> www.chipsco.com
>
>
>
>
> We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
> please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
> (Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go
> to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My
> Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the
> link above will work the next time you try it.)


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Terry,

Shop Warnings do not require an email application be running. They generate
a little pop up on the screen in a little message box as you are putting the
time in. You CAN set them up to send an email to someone as well, and in
that case you would need email running, but you do not have to do that part
of it. We do not use shop warnings, but I learned how they work in a
training class. To get them running you have to do two things. First, go
into company configuration, Module configuration, Data Collection. Make
sure 'Use Shop Warnings' is checked. Next, go into Job Management, master
file maintenance, and open the Shop Warnings table. you will see a list of
warnings. double click the one you want to make active. Check off where
you want the error to be reported (i.e. Data collection, Labor Entry, and/or
Shop Tracker).

I just tried this in the test database and it worked (the little message box
popped up) in data collection, but it did not work in Labor Entry. I don't
know why.

Sarah
I think I know what is wrong.

We discovered that there is a big difference in labor transactions that are
manually put into Vantage via the Labor Edit function and the ones that are
automatically created by the "data collector function" of shop employees
clocking in and out of jobs.

If you use data collection then warnings, grace period, labor/burden
splitting and probably other rules I'm not aware of, are applied to the
transactions.

If you manually put in hours via labor editor none of the above rules are
applied.

We discovered this when we edited a shop employee's transactions that were
created via data collection. The manual edit knocked out all the rules that
had been applied earlier by the data collection logic.

In our case an employee had booked on to 3 jobs at the same time for a 3
hour period. The data collection function generated 3 transaction each one
showing login: 9:00AM logout 12:00PM total hours 1.00

When we manually edited one of these 3 transactions the other 2 transactions
changed to 3.00 hours each!! (the logic that was dividing the 9 to 12 "3
hour time period" by 3 was lost, so each transaction grabbed the full time
range).