SQL versus Progress server

Thanks to all who responded, the information so far was helpful. We
heard the same thing about Progress versus SQL for versions 6.1 and
earlier. We may wait to hear more about the differences in 8.0.
Would be great to hear from anyone else. More infor always better!



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "John Sykes" <john.sykes@k...> wrote:
> We're a new Vantage 8.0.802b customer and are using SQL Server
2000. We
> did a ton of due diligence on the database selection issue and we
> learned from Epicor that prior to 8.0 there were SIGNIFICANT
advantages
> to being on Progress. With the new Progress OpenEdge 10.0
development
> environment that is the foundation for the 8.0 Vantage product,
it's my
> understanding that the gap has been substantially narrowed and that
a
> "native" Progress installation will only have a 3 to 4% performance
edge
> over a SQL-based installation. The message I got from very seasoned
> Epicor sources was "Go with what you've got -- If you're already
> supporting a SQL Server and know how to administer it, you're
better off
> sticking with it"
>
> I gave Epicor every opportunity to tell me to use Progress and they
> stuck to the "Go with what you know" line. We're not yet in
production
> and I have no historical basis for comparison, but the development
and
> test environments we're running are certainly not DB-bound from
what I
> can tell.
>
> John Sykes
> Kaleidescape, Inc.
>
>
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> On Behalf Of Geary, Stephanie
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:40 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] SQL versus Progress server
>
>
> Really really bad and really really really SLOW!!!!
>
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf
> Of jeremyrleonard@a...
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:34 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] SQL versus Progress server
>
>
> It went really really really bad for us and we went back to
> progress but that was Version 5.1 so maybe things are better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fselliott2 <fselliott2@y...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:21:52 -0000
> Subject: [Vantage] SQL versus Progress server
>
>
> We are currently running 6.1.529 on a Progress server. We
are
> considering switching to a SQL server, as it seems to be more
> common
> and has more flexibility. We are also planning to move to 8.0
> early
> next year. Does anyone have any opinions on running on
Progress
> versus
> SQL, advantages & disadvantages?
>
> Also, has anyone converted from Progress to SQL. From what I
> understand custom programming has to convert the database for
> us.
> Was
> wondering what all that might involve. Thanks.
>
>
>
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We are currently running 6.1.529 on a Progress server. We are
considering switching to a SQL server, as it seems to be more common
and has more flexibility. We are also planning to move to 8.0 early
next year. Does anyone have any opinions on running on Progress
versus
SQL, advantages & disadvantages?

Also, has anyone converted from Progress to SQL. From what I
understand custom programming has to convert the database for us.
Was
wondering what all that might involve. Thanks.
It went really really really bad for us and we went back to progress but that was Version 5.1 so maybe things are better.

-----Original Message-----
From: fselliott2 <fselliott2@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:21:52 -0000
Subject: [Vantage] SQL versus Progress server


We are currently running 6.1.529 on a Progress server. We are
considering switching to a SQL server, as it seems to be more common
and has more flexibility. We are also planning to move to 8.0 early
next year. Does anyone have any opinions on running on Progress
versus
SQL, advantages & disadvantages?

Also, has anyone converted from Progress to SQL. From what I
understand custom programming has to convert the database for us.
Was
wondering what all that might involve. Thanks.





Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.

(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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Really really bad and really really really SLOW!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of jeremyrleonard@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:34 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] SQL versus Progress server


It went really really really bad for us and we went back to progress but that was Version 5.1 so maybe things are better.

-----Original Message-----
From: fselliott2 <fselliott2@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:21:52 -0000
Subject: [Vantage] SQL versus Progress server


We are currently running 6.1.529 on a Progress server. We are
considering switching to a SQL server, as it seems to be more common
and has more flexibility. We are also planning to move to 8.0 early
next year. Does anyone have any opinions on running on Progress
versus
SQL, advantages & disadvantages?

Also, has anyone converted from Progress to SQL. From what I
understand custom programming has to convert the database for us.
Was
wondering what all that might involve. Thanks.





Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.

(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links






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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
We're a new Vantage 8.0.802b customer and are using SQL Server 2000. We
did a ton of due diligence on the database selection issue and we
learned from Epicor that prior to 8.0 there were SIGNIFICANT advantages
to being on Progress. With the new Progress OpenEdge 10.0 development
environment that is the foundation for the 8.0 Vantage product, it's my
understanding that the gap has been substantially narrowed and that a
"native" Progress installation will only have a 3 to 4% performance edge
over a SQL-based installation. The message I got from very seasoned
Epicor sources was "Go with what you've got -- If you're already
supporting a SQL Server and know how to administer it, you're better off
sticking with it"

I gave Epicor every opportunity to tell me to use Progress and they
stuck to the "Go with what you know" line. We're not yet in production
and I have no historical basis for comparison, but the development and
test environments we're running are certainly not DB-bound from what I
can tell.

John Sykes
Kaleidescape, Inc.


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Geary, Stephanie
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:40 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] SQL versus Progress server


Really really bad and really really really SLOW!!!!

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
Of jeremyrleonard@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:34 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] SQL versus Progress server


It went really really really bad for us and we went back to
progress but that was Version 5.1 so maybe things are better.

-----Original Message-----
From: fselliott2 <fselliott2@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:21:52 -0000
Subject: [Vantage] SQL versus Progress server


We are currently running 6.1.529 on a Progress server. We are
considering switching to a SQL server, as it seems to be more
common
and has more flexibility. We are also planning to move to 8.0
early
next year. Does anyone have any opinions on running on Progress
versus
SQL, advantages & disadvantages?

Also, has anyone converted from Progress to SQL. From what I
understand custom programming has to convert the database for
us.
Was
wondering what all that might involve. Thanks.





Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note:
You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.

(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links









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access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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