Subcontract question

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Purchase and receiving the “raw” material directly to the job would eliminate the need to stock & issue the raw material. Outside the box: perhaps the supplier of the finished part can take over the management of the raw materials, and simply purchase complete from the supplier.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Gotschall
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Subcontract question





I guess we want to treat it as a purchased part. If we set it up that way, then MRP would create a PO suggestion when the part dropped below min levels. The problem here is that we would have to manually create a PO for the raw material that we never see in stock because it is shipped from supplier to supplier.

This has me thinking. What if we treat both parts as purchased parts and put them in to the Finished Product's MOM? Both parts would have the exact same setup for MRP and MRP would create a PO suggestion for both parts at the same time. We could then "receive" into inventory the raw material and the "real" stock item when we receive the part in from the second supplier. So basically we would be treating the two parts as one (which they are) except that it would generate two PO suggestions, one for each supplier.

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To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 4:06:32 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Subcontract question


You are correct, you cannot add the material to the MOM unless it is in the part master. I appologize, I misspoke. In this scenario, we would make the job a template, and use the job template to re-create the MOM whenever the part is ordered. This allows us to have the material requirement as part of the routing but do not need to set-up a part in the part master for the material.

To my knowledge, there is no way to get rid of the job. Without it, how would you collect costs, and receive the part to stock?

Virginia

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@ ...> wrote:
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> Yes, when I say "work order" I mean a Job. We are using PO suggestions and the second part is a make to stock. So two POs are issued, one for the raw material and one for the part that will go into stock. But a job is also created that has to be closed when the part is received. And from what I can tell, you can not add a part to a MOM unless it exists in the part master, at least in 8.03.408 you can't.
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> From: Virginia <vjoseph@... >
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 8:48:44 AM
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> Hi Steven: Just to clarify, when you refer to a "work order" being issued and you want to eliminate the need for the work order and eliminate the need to close it, am I correct to assume you are referring to the job in Vantage?
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> >I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part.
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> Is your company using PO suggestions?
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> >The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.
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> Is the second part make to order or to stock?
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> >It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need.
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> Everything we do is make to order so in this scenario, the second part would be set-up in the part master with a MOM indicating that there is required material (we would not set-up the raw material in the part master) and the subcontract operation would be the related operation. When a customer oreders the Part, a sales order is created and a job is created, we issue the PO to purchase the material and receive it when the vendor sends us the packing slip for sending it directly to the subcontractor. Then we issue the PO to the subcontractor. When the subcontract operation is complete, we receive the PO, mark the job complete and ship it to the customer.
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> Virginia Joseph
> Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
> 440-543-8157
> vjoseph@deephole. com
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> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "Steven" <sgotschall@ ...> wrote:
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> > We have a few parts where the first part is purchased from a Vendor. The vendor then sends the part directly to the second vendor who does some work on it and then ships it to us. The way we have been doing this is to set up the first part as a purchase part, the second part as a manufactured part with a subcontract operation and the first part as material.
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> > This works fairly well in that when there is demand for the second (final) part, a PO is issued for the first and second parts. The only complaint I get is that a work order for the second part is issued and when we receive the second part the PO has to be received and the work order closed.
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> > My question, is there any way to eliminate the need for the work order or have the work order automatically close when the final part is received? It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need. I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part. The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.
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Vantage 8.03.408A Progress

We have a few parts where the first part is purchased from a Vendor. The vendor then sends the part directly to the second vendor who does some work on it and then ships it to us. The way we have been doing this is to set up the first part as a purchase part, the second part as a manufactured part with a subcontract operation and the first part as material.

This works fairly well in that when there is demand for the second (final) part, a PO is issued for the first and second parts. The only complaint I get is that a work order for the second part is issued and when we receive the second part the PO has to be received and the work order closed.

My question, is there any way to eliminate the need for the work order or have the work order automatically close when the final part is received? It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need. I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part. The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.
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Hi Steven: Just to clarify, when you refer to a "work order" being issued and you want to eliminate the need for the work order and eliminate the need to close it, am I correct to assume you are referring to the job in Vantage?

>I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part.

Is your company using PO suggestions?

>The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.

Is the second part make to order or to stock?

>It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need.

Everything we do is make to order so in this scenario, the second part would be set-up in the part master with a MOM indicating that there is required material (we would not set-up the raw material in the part master) and the subcontract operation would be the related operation. When a customer oreders the Part, a sales order is created and a job is created, we issue the PO to purchase the material and receive it when the vendor sends us the packing slip for sending it directly to the subcontractor. Then we issue the PO to the subcontractor. When the subcontract operation is complete, we receive the PO, mark the job complete and ship it to the customer.




Virginia Joseph
Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
440-543-8157
vjoseph@...


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Steven" <sgotschall@...> wrote:
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> Vantage 8.03.408A Progress
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> We have a few parts where the first part is purchased from a Vendor. The vendor then sends the part directly to the second vendor who does some work on it and then ships it to us. The way we have been doing this is to set up the first part as a purchase part, the second part as a manufactured part with a subcontract operation and the first part as material.
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> This works fairly well in that when there is demand for the second (final) part, a PO is issued for the first and second parts. The only complaint I get is that a work order for the second part is issued and when we receive the second part the PO has to be received and the work order closed.
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> My question, is there any way to eliminate the need for the work order or have the work order automatically close when the final part is received? It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need. I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part. The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.
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Yes, when I say "work order" I mean a Job. We are using PO suggestions and the second part is a make to stock. So two POs are issued, one for the raw material and one for the part that will go into stock. But a job is also created that has to be closed when the part is received. And from what I can tell, you can not add a part to a MOM unless it exists in the part master, at least in 8.03.408 you can't.




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From: Virginia <vjoseph@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 8:48:44 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Subcontract question

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Hi Steven: Just to clarify, when you refer to a "work order" being issued and you want to eliminate the need for the work order and eliminate the need to close it, am I correct to assume you are referring to the job in Vantage?

>I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part.

Is your company using PO suggestions?

>The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.

Is the second part make to order or to stock?

>It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need.

Everything we do is make to order so in this scenario, the second part would be set-up in the part master with a MOM indicating that there is required material (we would not set-up the raw material in the part master) and the subcontract operation would be the related operation. When a customer oreders the Part, a sales order is created and a job is created, we issue the PO to purchase the material and receive it when the vendor sends us the packing slip for sending it directly to the subcontractor. Then we issue the PO to the subcontractor. When the subcontract operation is complete, we receive the PO, mark the job complete and ship it to the customer.

Virginia Joseph
Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
440-543-8157
vjoseph@deephole. com

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "Steven" <sgotschall@ ...> wrote:
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> Vantage 8.03.408A Progress
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> We have a few parts where the first part is purchased from a Vendor. The vendor then sends the part directly to the second vendor who does some work on it and then ships it to us. The way we have been doing this is to set up the first part as a purchase part, the second part as a manufactured part with a subcontract operation and the first part as material.
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> This works fairly well in that when there is demand for the second (final) part, a PO is issued for the first and second parts. The only complaint I get is that a work order for the second part is issued and when we receive the second part the PO has to be received and the work order closed.
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> My question, is there any way to eliminate the need for the work order or have the work order automatically close when the final part is received? It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need. I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part. The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.
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You are correct, you cannot add the material to the MOM unless it is in the part master. I appologize, I misspoke. In this scenario, we would make the job a template, and use the job template to re-create the MOM whenever the part is ordered. This allows us to have the material requirement as part of the routing but do not need to set-up a part in the part master for the material.

To my knowledge, there is no way to get rid of the job. Without it, how would you collect costs, and receive the part to stock?

Virginia

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@...> wrote:
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> Yes, when I say "work order" I mean a Job. We are using PO suggestions and the second part is a make to stock. So two POs are issued, one for the raw material and one for the part that will go into stock. But a job is also created that has to be closed when the part is received. And from what I can tell, you can not add a part to a MOM unless it exists in the part master, at least in 8.03.408 you can't.
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> From: Virginia <vjoseph@...>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 8:48:44 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Subcontract question
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> ÂÂ
> Hi Steven: Just to clarify, when you refer to a "work order" being issued and you want to eliminate the need for the work order and eliminate the need to close it, am I correct to assume you are referring to the job in Vantage?
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> >I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part.
>
> Is your company using PO suggestions?
>
> >The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.
>
> Is the second part make to order or to stock?
>
> >It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need.
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> Everything we do is make to order so in this scenario, the second part would be set-up in the part master with a MOM indicating that there is required material (we would not set-up the raw material in the part master) and the subcontract operation would be the related operation. When a customer oreders the Part, a sales order is created and a job is created, we issue the PO to purchase the material and receive it when the vendor sends us the packing slip for sending it directly to the subcontractor. Then we issue the PO to the subcontractor. When the subcontract operation is complete, we receive the PO, mark the job complete and ship it to the customer.
>
> Virginia Joseph
> Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
> 440-543-8157
> vjoseph@deephole. com
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "Steven" <sgotschall@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Vantage 8.03.408A Progress
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> > We have a few parts where the first part is purchased from a Vendor. The vendor then sends the part directly to the second vendor who does some work on it and then ships it to us. The way we have been doing this is to set up the first part as a purchase part, the second part as a manufactured part with a subcontract operation and the first part as material.
> >
> > This works fairly well in that when there is demand for the second (final) part, a PO is issued for the first and second parts. The only complaint I get is that a work order for the second part is issued and when we receive the second part the PO has to be received and the work order closed.
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> > My question, is there any way to eliminate the need for the work order or have the work order automatically close when the final part is received? It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need. I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part. The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.
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I guess we want to treat it as a purchased part. If we set it up that way, then MRP would create a PO suggestion when the part dropped below min levels. The problem here is that we would have to manually create a PO for the raw material that we never see in stock because it is shipped from supplier to supplier.

This has me thinking. What if we treat both parts as purchased parts and put them in to the Finished Product's MOM? Both parts would have the exact same setup for MRP and MRP would create a PO suggestion for both parts at the same time. We could then "receive" into inventory the raw material and the "real" stock item when we receive the part in from the second supplier. So basically we would be treating the two parts as one (which they are) except that it would generate two PO suggestions, one for each supplier.



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From: Virginia <vjoseph@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 4:06:32 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Subcontract question

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You are correct, you cannot add the material to the MOM unless it is in the part master. I appologize, I misspoke. In this scenario, we would make the job a template, and use the job template to re-create the MOM whenever the part is ordered. This allows us to have the material requirement as part of the routing but do not need to set-up a part in the part master for the material.

To my knowledge, there is no way to get rid of the job. Without it, how would you collect costs, and receive the part to stock?

Virginia

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Steven Gotschall <sgotschall@ ...> wrote:
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> Yes, when I say "work order" I mean a Job. We are using PO suggestions and the second part is a make to stock. So two POs are issued, one for the raw material and one for the part that will go into stock. But a job is also created that has to be closed when the part is received. And from what I can tell, you can not add a part to a MOM unless it exists in the part master, at least in 8.03.408 you can't.
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> From: Virginia <vjoseph@... >
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 8:48:44 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Subcontract question
>
> ÂÂ
> Hi Steven: Just to clarify, when you refer to a "work order" being issued and you want to eliminate the need for the work order and eliminate the need to close it, am I correct to assume you are referring to the job in Vantage?
>
> >I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part.
>
> Is your company using PO suggestions?
>
> >The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.
>
> Is the second part make to order or to stock?
>
> >It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need.
>
> Everything we do is make to order so in this scenario, the second part would be set-up in the part master with a MOM indicating that there is required material (we would not set-up the raw material in the part master) and the subcontract operation would be the related operation. When a customer oreders the Part, a sales order is created and a job is created, we issue the PO to purchase the material and receive it when the vendor sends us the packing slip for sending it directly to the subcontractor. Then we issue the PO to the subcontractor. When the subcontract operation is complete, we receive the PO, mark the job complete and ship it to the customer.
>
> Virginia Joseph
> Deep Hole Specialists, LLC
> 440-543-8157
> vjoseph@deephole. com
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> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "Steven" <sgotschall@ ...> wrote:
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> > Vantage 8.03.408A Progress
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> > We have a few parts where the first part is purchased from a Vendor. The vendor then sends the part directly to the second vendor who does some work on it and then ships it to us. The way we have been doing this is to set up the first part as a purchase part, the second part as a manufactured part with a subcontract operation and the first part as material.
> >
> > This works fairly well in that when there is demand for the second (final) part, a PO is issued for the first and second parts. The only complaint I get is that a work order for the second part is issued and when we receive the second part the PO has to be received and the work order closed.
> >
> > My question, is there any way to eliminate the need for the work order or have the work order automatically close when the final part is received? It just seems that there is one to many steps here and an extra part number we don't need. I would like just to have the PO for the final part also generate a PO for the first part. The first part has to be ordered, but we never receive it into stock.
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