Vantage Business Objects - Guidance & Documentation

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1
I know that Epicor is not Microsoft but every object model that
Microsoft makes available is fully documented in a help file that makes
it a snap to start using.

I know that creating this type of documentation can be daunting and
probably requires dedicated staff but one of the reasons we chose
Vantage over the competition is that fact that they pushed the point of
being able to do in house customization and coding. You would think that
they would have provided this type of documentation when they make it a
point to boast this feature.



Has anyone contacted Epicor to file this complaint?

If not, we should rally and make our voices hear.



Joe Rojas

Information Technology Manager

Symmetry Medical TNCO

15 Colebrook Blvd

Whitman MA 02382

781.447.6661 x7506



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of genui1
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage Business Objects - Guidance &
Documentation



Thank you Mark!

I do not understand why the company did not offer this document to us
when we bagan. I wonder how many people out there need this doc and
how many lifetimes of hours have been wasted because of a companies
inability to identify their own documentation? We have spent 3 weeks
searching and asking them for this.

This group rocks!

I can't wait to get a look at this document!

Troy

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Mark Wonsil" <mark_wonsil@...> wrote:
>
> > I do not believe we have that guide.
> >
> > Can you give us your source for that guide either its physical or
> > digital location?
>
> The newest one was just announced (for 8.03.400):
> http://emarketing.epicor.com/DocManagement/OpenDocument1.aspx?
DocIdGuid=676beb
> 13-e0ed-460f-b415-4e1f81600ff1
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/237696
>
> Contact your CAM for purchase info...
>
> Mark W.
>





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2
Hi,

We are doing an implementation of Vantage v400 with Service Connect
and are looking for documentation on the business objects. We are
not going to be using the web services (unless required for
operations in Service Connect) because they sound to be very slow.

We have spoken with numerous sales and technical resources within
their organization to try and locate documentation that will give us
the purpose and methods within each object.

There response was to:
1. Direct us to the very basic documentation for web services and
business objects, which only tell how to install them,test them,
customize them or give an example of how to call them
2. Direct us to the web services so we could look at the
documentation created within code (useless because not fully
commented and web services sound very slow)
3. Tell us to turn on tracing in the client app to watch what happens
when we perform tasks within, basically creating our own
documentation.

Because of the size of this application and its customer base I
cannot believe that there is not better documentation. How could you
create such a large application and have so many people implement it
without offering even reasonable documentation?

Any information you may have on Documentation would be greatly
appreciated. Help, pointing in the right direction, Trials and
tribulations, Warnings on any information that would help us in
implementation would be great to hear about.

Regards,
Troy C.
3
Hi,

I am trying to add SalesReps to the Vantage 8.0.3, and
I can't the module which does this.

can anyone help me on this.

Thanks,

Charlie.


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4
It's under Order Management, Workforce. You may also have to look under
Role Code. I know they are interrelated especially when you have CRM!



HTH,





M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@...

P: 630-806-2000

F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of C. Lu
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] How to enter the SalesRep information in Vantage
8.0.3



Hi,

I am trying to add SalesReps to the Vantage 8.0.3, and
I can't the module which does this.

can anyone help me on this.

Thanks,

Charlie.

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5
The Setup program is called Work Force

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
C. Lu
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] How to enter the SalesRep information in Vantage 8.0.3

Hi,

I am trying to add SalesReps to the Vantage 8.0.3, and
I can't the module which does this.

can anyone help me on this.

Thanks,

Charlie.



____________________________________________________________________________
________
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links
6
Sorry, order management --> setup --> workforce







M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@...

P: 630-806-2000

F: 630-806-2001

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of C. Lu
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] How to enter the SalesRep information in Vantage
8.0.3



Hi,

I am trying to add SalesReps to the Vantage 8.0.3, and
I can't the module which does this.

can anyone help me on this.

Thanks,

Charlie.

__________________________________________________________
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Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search
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7
Troy,

I am in the same situation as you do and I can't agree
more with you on this.

I am using Vantage 8.0.3, and am trying to create a
web front for certain modules (quote, order) of
Vantage, I am solely relying on Business Object to
talk to the Vantage system.

I got pretty much the same response, the Vantage
documentation is inadaquate, to say the least. Even
in this group, there is not a lot of discussion about
the the implementation (coding) side of the Vantage.

--Charlie

--- genui1 <atkins.jason@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We are doing an implementation of Vantage v400 with
> Service Connect
> and are looking for documentation on the business
> objects. We are
> not going to be using the web services (unless
> required for
> operations in Service Connect) because they sound to
> be very slow.
>
> We have spoken with numerous sales and technical
> resources within
> their organization to try and locate documentation
> that will give us
> the purpose and methods within each object.
>
> There response was to:
> 1. Direct us to the very basic documentation for web
> services and
> business objects, which only tell how to install
> them,test them,
> customize them or give an example of how to call
> them
> 2. Direct us to the web services so we could look at
> the
> documentation created within code (useless because
> not fully
> commented and web services sound very slow)
> 3. Tell us to turn on tracing in the client app to
> watch what happens
> when we perform tasks within, basically creating our
> own
> documentation.
>
> Because of the size of this application and its
> customer base I
> cannot believe that there is not better
> documentation. How could you
> create such a large application and have so many
> people implement it
> without offering even reasonable documentation?
>
> Any information you may have on Documentation would
> be greatly
> appreciated. Help, pointing in the right direction,
> Trials and
> tribulations, Warnings on any information that would
> help us in
> implementation would be great to hear about.
>
> Regards,
> Troy C.
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are:
> ( Note: You must have already linked your email
> address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group
> for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other
> 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
> services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>



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8
Thank you Manasa and Scott.

I got it.


--- Scott Litzau <scott.litzau@...>
wrote:

> The Setup program is called Work Force
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> C. Lu
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:28 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] How to enter the SalesRep
> information in Vantage 8.0.3
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to add SalesReps to the Vantage 8.0.3,
> and
> I can't the module which does this.
>
> can anyone help me on this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie.
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> ________
> Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search
>
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are:
> ( Note: You must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to
> enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group
> for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
> services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are:
> ( Note: You must have already linked your email
> address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group
> for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other
> 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
> services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>




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Hi

Totally agree

What you can use is the "BL Tester" program, this program used to be in the SDK but I think you can ask Epicor for it (is version specific)

With this program you can open any BO (DLL file) an see and run all the methods it has, it won�t tell you what it does, but at least you can see all parameters necessary to run each method and makes much easier the development
Regards,
Jose Ferrer



To: vantage@yahoogroups.comFrom: cminglu@...: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:45:53 -0700Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage Business Objects - Guidance & Documentation




Troy,I am in the same situation as you do and I can't agreemore with you on this.I am using Vantage 8.0.3, and am trying to create aweb front for certain modules (quote, order) ofVantage, I am solely relying on Business Object totalk to the Vantage system. I got pretty much the same response, the Vantagedocumentation is inadaquate, to say the least. Evenin this group, there is not a lot of discussion aboutthe the implementation (coding) side of the Vantage.--Charlie--- genui1 <atkins.jason@...> wrote:> Hi,> > We are doing an implementation of Vantage v400 with> Service Connect > and are looking for documentation on the business> objects. We are > not going to be using the web services (unless> required for > operations in Service Connect) because they sound to> be very slow.> > We have spoken with numerous sales and technical> resources within > their organization to try and locate documentation> that will give us > the purpose and methods within each object. > > There response was to:> 1. Direct us to the very basic documentation for web> services and > business objects, which only tell how to install> them,test them, > customize them or give an example of how to call> them> 2. Direct us to the web services so we could look at> the > documentation created within code (useless because> not fully > commented and web services sound very slow)> 3. Tell us to turn on tracing in the client app to> watch what happens > when we perform tasks within, basically creating our> own > documentation.> > Because of the size of this application and its> customer base I > cannot believe that there is not better> documentation. How could you > create such a large application and have so many> people implement it > without offering even reasonable documentation?> > Any information you may have on Documentation would> be greatly > appreciated. Help, pointing in the right direction,> Trials and > tribulations, Warnings on any information that would> help us in > implementation would be great to hear about.> > Regards,> Troy C.> > > > > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are:> ( Note: You must have already linked your email> address to a yahoo id to enable access. )> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group> for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other> 'goodies', please goto:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/. > (2) To search through old msg's goto:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage> services goto:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > > __________________________________________________________Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more!http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658






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> What you can use is the "BL Tester" program, this program used to be in the
> SDK but I think you can ask Epicor for it (is version specific)
>
> With this program you can open any BO (DLL file) an see and run all the
> methods it has, it won't tell you what it does, but at least you can see all
> parameters necessary to run each method and makes much easier the
> development

You can also do this with Visual Studio. If you create a project, add the
particular .BO and .IF DLLs to your project then you can create use the Object
Browser to get a somewhat decent explanation of the parameters. I always use
this in conjunction to a Trace dump to see what objects the UI is calling, in
what order, and with what values in the parameters.

Mark W.
11
Do yall have the Epicor Tools User Guide? It helps quite a bit...

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of C. Lu
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage Business Objects - Guidance &
Documentation



Troy,

I am in the same situation as you do and I can't agree
more with you on this.

I am using Vantage 8.0.3, and am trying to create a
web front for certain modules (quote, order) of
Vantage, I am solely relying on Business Object to
talk to the Vantage system.

I got pretty much the same response, the Vantage
documentation is inadaquate, to say the least. Even
in this group, there is not a lot of discussion about
the the implementation (coding) side of the Vantage.

--Charlie

--- genui1 <atkins.jason@... <mailto:atkins.jason%40gmail.com> >
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We are doing an implementation of Vantage v400 with
> Service Connect
> and are looking for documentation on the business
> objects. We are
> not going to be using the web services (unless
> required for
> operations in Service Connect) because they sound to
> be very slow.
>
> We have spoken with numerous sales and technical
> resources within
> their organization to try and locate documentation
> that will give us
> the purpose and methods within each object.
>
> There response was to:
> 1. Direct us to the very basic documentation for web
> services and
> business objects, which only tell how to install
> them,test them,
> customize them or give an example of how to call
> them
> 2. Direct us to the web services so we could look at
> the
> documentation created within code (useless because
> not fully
> commented and web services sound very slow)
> 3. Tell us to turn on tracing in the client app to
> watch what happens
> when we perform tasks within, basically creating our
> own
> documentation.
>
> Because of the size of this application and its
> customer base I
> cannot believe that there is not better
> documentation. How could you
> create such a large application and have so many
> people implement it
> without offering even reasonable documentation?
>
> Any information you may have on Documentation would
> be greatly
> appreciated. Help, pointing in the right direction,
> Trials and
> tribulations, Warnings on any information that would
> help us in
> implementation would be great to hear about.
>
> Regards,
> Troy C.
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are:
> ( Note: You must have already linked your email
> address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group
> for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other
> 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
> services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

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12
Matt,

I do not believe we have that guide.

Can you give us your source for that guide either its physical or
digital location?

Much appreciated,
Troy

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Barron" <mbarron@...> wrote:
>
> Do yall have the Epicor Tools User Guide? It helps quite a bit...
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of C. Lu
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:46 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage Business Objects - Guidance &
> Documentation
>
>
>
> Troy,
>
> I am in the same situation as you do and I can't agree
> more with you on this.
>
> I am using Vantage 8.0.3, and am trying to create a
> web front for certain modules (quote, order) of
> Vantage, I am solely relying on Business Object to
> talk to the Vantage system.
>
> I got pretty much the same response, the Vantage
> documentation is inadaquate, to say the least. Even
> in this group, there is not a lot of discussion about
> the the implementation (coding) side of the Vantage.
>
> --Charlie
>
> --- genui1 <atkins.jason@... <mailto:atkins.jason%40gmail.com> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > We are doing an implementation of Vantage v400 with
> > Service Connect
> > and are looking for documentation on the business
> > objects. We are
> > not going to be using the web services (unless
> > required for
> > operations in Service Connect) because they sound to
> > be very slow.
> >
> > We have spoken with numerous sales and technical
> > resources within
> > their organization to try and locate documentation
> > that will give us
> > the purpose and methods within each object.
> >
> > There response was to:
> > 1. Direct us to the very basic documentation for web
> > services and
> > business objects, which only tell how to install
> > them,test them,
> > customize them or give an example of how to call
> > them
> > 2. Direct us to the web services so we could look at
> > the
> > documentation created within code (useless because
> > not fully
> > commented and web services sound very slow)
> > 3. Tell us to turn on tracing in the client app to
> > watch what happens
> > when we perform tasks within, basically creating our
> > own
> > documentation.
> >
> > Because of the size of this application and its
> > customer base I
> > cannot believe that there is not better
> > documentation. How could you
> > create such a large application and have so many
> > people implement it
> > without offering even reasonable documentation?
> >
> > Any information you may have on Documentation would
> > be greatly
> > appreciated. Help, pointing in the right direction,
> > Trials and
> > tribulations, Warnings on any information that would
> > help us in
> > implementation would be great to hear about.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Troy C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are:
> > ( Note: You must have already linked your email
> > address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group
> > for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other
> > 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
> > services goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get
> listings, and more!
> http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658
> <http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
13
> I do not believe we have that guide.
>
> Can you give us your source for that guide either its physical or
> digital location?

The newest one was just announced (for 8.03.400):
http://emarketing.epicor.com/DocManagement/OpenDocument1.aspx?DocIdGuid=676beb
13-e0ed-460f-b415-4e1f81600ff1
or
http://tinyurl.com/237696

Contact your CAM for purchase info...

Mark W.
14
The document seems to be lacking some detail.



Patrick J. Winter



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wonsil
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:58 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Vantage Business Objects - Guidance &
Documentation



> I do not believe we have that guide.
>
> Can you give us your source for that guide either its physical or
> digital location?

The newest one was just announced (for 8.03.400):
http://emarketing.epicor.com/DocManagement/OpenDocument1.aspx?DocIdGuid=
676beb
13-e0ed-460f-b415-4e1f81600ff1
or
http://tinyurl.com/237696

Contact your CAM for purchase info...

Mark W.





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Troy-

You have to order it from Epicor...it was around $150 but well worth the
money. It's about 2 inches thick, full of pictures, procedures,
examples, etc etc. It gets into the coding pretty deep.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of genui1
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage Business Objects - Guidance &
Documentation



Matt,

I do not believe we have that guide.

Can you give us your source for that guide either its physical or
digital location?

Much appreciated,
Troy

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Matt Barron" <mbarron@...> wrote:
>
> Do yall have the Epicor Tools User Guide? It helps quite a bit...
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of C. Lu
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:46 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage Business Objects - Guidance &
> Documentation
>
>
>
> Troy,
>
> I am in the same situation as you do and I can't agree
> more with you on this.
>
> I am using Vantage 8.0.3, and am trying to create a
> web front for certain modules (quote, order) of
> Vantage, I am solely relying on Business Object to
> talk to the Vantage system.
>
> I got pretty much the same response, the Vantage
> documentation is inadaquate, to say the least. Even
> in this group, there is not a lot of discussion about
> the the implementation (coding) side of the Vantage.
>
> --Charlie
>
> --- genui1 <atkins.jason@... <mailto:atkins.jason%40gmail.com> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > We are doing an implementation of Vantage v400 with
> > Service Connect
> > and are looking for documentation on the business
> > objects. We are
> > not going to be using the web services (unless
> > required for
> > operations in Service Connect) because they sound to
> > be very slow.
> >
> > We have spoken with numerous sales and technical
> > resources within
> > their organization to try and locate documentation
> > that will give us
> > the purpose and methods within each object.
> >
> > There response was to:
> > 1. Direct us to the very basic documentation for web
> > services and
> > business objects, which only tell how to install
> > them,test them,
> > customize them or give an example of how to call
> > them
> > 2. Direct us to the web services so we could look at
> > the
> > documentation created within code (useless because
> > not fully
> > commented and web services sound very slow)
> > 3. Tell us to turn on tracing in the client app to
> > watch what happens
> > when we perform tasks within, basically creating our
> > own
> > documentation.
> >
> > Because of the size of this application and its
> > customer base I
> > cannot believe that there is not better
> > documentation. How could you
> > create such a large application and have so many
> > people implement it
> > without offering even reasonable documentation?
> >
> > Any information you may have on Documentation would
> > be greatly
> > appreciated. Help, pointing in the right direction,
> > Trials and
> > tribulations, Warnings on any information that would
> > help us in
> > implementation would be great to hear about.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Troy C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are:
> > ( Note: You must have already linked your email
> > address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group
> > for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other
> > 'goodies', please goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
> > services goto:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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I am still waiting for mine. I ordered it and they sent me five
useless user guides instead. I am really hoping this is as good as
everone says.
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Barron" <mbarron@...> wrote:
>
> Troy-
>
> You have to order it from Epicor...it was around $150 but well
worth the
> money. It's about 2 inches thick, full of pictures, procedures,
> examples, etc etc. It gets into the coding pretty deep.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of genui1
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:32 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Vantage Business Objects - Guidance &
> Documentation
>
>
>
> Matt,
>
> I do not believe we have that guide.
>
> Can you give us your source for that guide either its physical or
> digital location?
>
> Much appreciated,
> Troy
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Matt Barron" <mbarron@> wrote:
> >
> > Do yall have the Epicor Tools User Guide? It helps quite a bit...
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of C. Lu
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:46 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage Business Objects - Guidance &
> > Documentation
> >
> >
> >
> > Troy,
> >
> > I am in the same situation as you do and I can't agree
> > more with you on this.
> >
> > I am using Vantage 8.0.3, and am trying to create a
> > web front for certain modules (quote, order) of
> > Vantage, I am solely relying on Business Object to
> > talk to the Vantage system.
> >
> > I got pretty much the same response, the Vantage
> > documentation is inadaquate, to say the least. Even
> > in this group, there is not a lot of discussion about
> > the the implementation (coding) side of the Vantage.
> >
> > --Charlie
> >
> > --- genui1 <atkins.jason@ <mailto:atkins.jason%40gmail.com> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > We are doing an implementation of Vantage v400 with
> > > Service Connect
> > > and are looking for documentation on the business
> > > objects. We are
> > > not going to be using the web services (unless
> > > required for
> > > operations in Service Connect) because they sound to
> > > be very slow.
> > >
> > > We have spoken with numerous sales and technical
> > > resources within
> > > their organization to try and locate documentation
> > > that will give us
> > > the purpose and methods within each object.
> > >
> > > There response was to:
> > > 1. Direct us to the very basic documentation for web
> > > services and
> > > business objects, which only tell how to install
> > > them,test them,
> > > customize them or give an example of how to call
> > > them
> > > 2. Direct us to the web services so we could look at
> > > the
> > > documentation created within code (useless because
> > > not fully
> > > commented and web services sound very slow)
> > > 3. Tell us to turn on tracing in the client app to
> > > watch what happens
> > > when we perform tasks within, basically creating our
> > > own
> > > documentation.
> > >
> > > Because of the size of this application and its
> > > customer base I
> > > cannot believe that there is not better
> > > documentation. How could you
> > > create such a large application and have so many
> > > people implement it
> > > without offering even reasonable documentation?
> > >
> > > Any information you may have on Documentation would
> > > be greatly
> > > appreciated. Help, pointing in the right direction,
> > > Trials and
> > > tribulations, Warnings on any information that would
> > > help us in
> > > implementation would be great to hear about.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Troy C.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are:
> > > ( Note: You must have already linked your email
> > > address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> > > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group
> > > for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other
> > > 'goodies', please goto:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> >
> > > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> >
> > > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage
> > > services goto:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews,
get
> > listings, and more!
> > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658
> <http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658>
> > <http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658
> <http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
17
Thank you Mark!

I do not understand why the company did not offer this document to us
when we bagan. I wonder how many people out there need this doc and
how many lifetimes of hours have been wasted because of a companies
inability to identify their own documentation? We have spent 3 weeks
searching and asking them for this.

This group rocks!

I can't wait to get a look at this document!

Troy


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Wonsil" <mark_wonsil@...> wrote:
>
> > I do not believe we have that guide.
> >
> > Can you give us your source for that guide either its physical or
> > digital location?
>
> The newest one was just announced (for 8.03.400):
> http://emarketing.epicor.com/DocManagement/OpenDocument1.aspx?
DocIdGuid=676beb
> 13-e0ed-460f-b415-4e1f81600ff1
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/237696
>
> Contact your CAM for purchase info...
>
> Mark W.
>
18
Troy,

The guide is better than the anemic help files included with the system - but much of it is straight regurgitation of those files.

A few more 'real world' examples included (good) but you'd think they'd have hundreds they could share with users by now.

Disappointed at the continued nickel-dime to death treatment of customers. (Why should we pay an additional $150 for 1 manual that simply describes the .NET customization functionality that is one of the sole selling points of Vantage - since it certainly isn't the inherent functionality?).

Pay for extra manuals... sure. The 1st one? No way is that treating your existing customers well.



genui1 <atkins.jason@...> wrote:
Thank you Mark!

I do not understand why the company did not offer this document to us
when we bagan. I wonder how many people out there need this doc and
how many lifetimes of hours have been wasted because of a companies
inability to identify their own documentation? We have spent 3 weeks
searching and asking them for this.

This group rocks!

I can't wait to get a look at this document!

Troy

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Wonsil" <mark_wonsil@...> wrote:
>
> > I do not believe we have that guide.
> >
> > Can you give us your source for that guide either its physical or
> > digital location?
>
> The newest one was just announced (for 8.03.400):
> http://emarketing.epicor.com/DocManagement/OpenDocument1.aspx?
DocIdGuid=676beb
> 13-e0ed-460f-b415-4e1f81600ff1
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/237696
>
> Contact your CAM for purchase info...
>
> Mark W.
>






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