Can't purchase Win2K anymore - but can purchase XP and install Win2K. Same license cost issue though. I won't run XP (yet) so all our Win2K people are covered by XP licenses. Handy thing Dell did on a new laptop recently was license with XP-Pro but ship with Win2K installed.
-Todd C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Drumeller [mailto:cliff@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 1:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
Tyira
You still incur the costs of purchasing licenses for WIN2K on each
machine.
Cliff Drumeller
IT Manager
Mass Precision Sheetmetal
408 954 0200 x 217
_____
From: Tyira Eric [mailto:eric.tyira@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:14 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
This may sound a little out there for you, but there is a product called
virtual pc from Microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx
< http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx> that allows you
to run multiple, simultaneous operating systems on a single pc.
How does this affect you? On a W2K box you could run virtual pc with
windows 98, load Vantage, and run it. It will emulate the operating system,
registry, everything. It uses only the memory it needs and I believe it
does it all within a single file! I know an IT guy who uses it and loves
it.
They have a 45-day free trial version downloadable from the link.
Thanks.
Eric L. Tyira
Tamglass Tempering Systems
P: (856) 786-1200
F: (856) 786-7606
eric.tyira@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Kirby [mailto:m.kirby@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
Thanks for the quick response. I read the Epicor specifications. What I
would like to know are the real world results from anyone who might have
tried this. Like many of you we are looking at a server upgrade and most of
our PC's once we make the decision to change.
Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
I was told flatly that Win98 would not work due to .Net and that Win2K was
the minimum OS and then only at a specific SP level. To which I replied
then OK it will be a long time before we can afford to go to 8.0, our
infrastructure upgrades to be compliant will be very gradual. Even if 8.0
is covered by maintenance the hardware/OS expense will be a huge burden for
us. All of our shop PCs are Win98 Celeron 500Mhz bare minimum PCs. I'm
hoping Perspectives will have more guidance on these issues and maybe tips
to reduce costs.
-Todd C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Leonard [mailto:jeremy.leonard@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
You can check Epicors Web site for 8.0 Specs. I don't think 98 will be
supported because of the .Net framework. I may be wrong. I know it is not
listed on the web site. It does list a minimum of 356MB Ram, 2Ghz
Processor, 400MB HD space(If I remember correctly)
Hope that helps,
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Kirby [mailto:m.kirby@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:23 AM
To: Vantage (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
Have any of you brave beta testers tried to run a Win98 client with Version
8? My data collection PC's are all Win98. I'm trying to budget for next
year and I'd like to know if I will have to replace them. They are all 600
Celerons with 128meg of memory.
Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Drumeller [mailto:cliff@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 1:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
Tyira
You still incur the costs of purchasing licenses for WIN2K on each
machine.
Cliff Drumeller
IT Manager
Mass Precision Sheetmetal
408 954 0200 x 217
_____
From: Tyira Eric [mailto:eric.tyira@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:14 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
This may sound a little out there for you, but there is a product called
virtual pc from Microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx
< http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx> that allows you
to run multiple, simultaneous operating systems on a single pc.
How does this affect you? On a W2K box you could run virtual pc with
windows 98, load Vantage, and run it. It will emulate the operating system,
registry, everything. It uses only the memory it needs and I believe it
does it all within a single file! I know an IT guy who uses it and loves
it.
They have a 45-day free trial version downloadable from the link.
Thanks.
Eric L. Tyira
Tamglass Tempering Systems
P: (856) 786-1200
F: (856) 786-7606
eric.tyira@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Kirby [mailto:m.kirby@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
Thanks for the quick response. I read the Epicor specifications. What I
would like to know are the real world results from anyone who might have
tried this. Like many of you we are looking at a server upgrade and most of
our PC's once we make the decision to change.
Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:34 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
I was told flatly that Win98 would not work due to .Net and that Win2K was
the minimum OS and then only at a specific SP level. To which I replied
then OK it will be a long time before we can afford to go to 8.0, our
infrastructure upgrades to be compliant will be very gradual. Even if 8.0
is covered by maintenance the hardware/OS expense will be a huge burden for
us. All of our shop PCs are Win98 Celeron 500Mhz bare minimum PCs. I'm
hoping Perspectives will have more guidance on these issues and maybe tips
to reduce costs.
-Todd C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Leonard [mailto:jeremy.leonard@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:27 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
You can check Epicors Web site for 8.0 Specs. I don't think 98 will be
supported because of the .Net framework. I may be wrong. I know it is not
listed on the web site. It does list a minimum of 356MB Ram, 2Ghz
Processor, 400MB HD space(If I remember correctly)
Hope that helps,
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Kirby [mailto:m.kirby@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:23 AM
To: Vantage (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Version 8 and Win98
Have any of you brave beta testers tried to run a Win98 client with Version
8? My data collection PC's are all Win98. I'm trying to budget for next
year and I'd like to know if I will have to replace them. They are all 600
Celerons with 128meg of memory.
Mitchell Kirby
Riten Industries, Inc.
740-333-8719 Direct
800-338-0027 Sales
800-338-0717 FAX
Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
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