8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

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You have to clock into the job/op 4 different times.



As we discussed on the phone, when you clock into the job indicate the
resource you are using for that particular job Op. When you look at the
job tracker you will see the machine hours for each machine you ran that
job op for. You will accumulate the hours for that op. If no labor cost
is wanted, use the phantom employee.



Scheduling becomes a different animal. You will always use the same
amount of machine hours. One time you may run the job on 1 machine, the
next time you may run it on 4 concurrently. Unless you know when you
create the job, how you plan on handling it, there is no way to plan it.
You can add scheduling blocks to add capacity, but that is a resource
item and relates to all jobs going through that resource group.



One tip that I used with a customer a long time ago was to split the job
up into separate operations and reduce the quantity per parent. Let's
say I had a production quantity of 10000 and I wanted to run it on 4
machines. I can split it into 4 web print operations running
concurrently (start to start or finish to finish) make the qty per
parent .25 (run qty for the operation becomes 2500) and assign a
different resource to each operation. Scheduling works, data collection
is easier (no overrides required) and production reports as usual.







Charlie Smith

2W Technologies LLC

www.2WTech.com <http://www.2WTech.com>



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:23 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended



But how does Vantage know how many of my 4 machines are running a Job.
Currently at scheduling time there is no way for the Scheduler to
dictate or
know how many Scheduling Blocks (Resources) will be used on a particular
Job.

It still does not indicate how many hours each machine was running.

Scott

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Charlie Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20 AM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended

As long as Burden = Labor is not checked, the machine hours will be the
hours clocked into the job Op and not the labor.

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Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended

Does anyone know if APM helps with this situation.

I have a similar problem with a operator able to run 4 machines at the
same
time and we want to track the machine hours not the labor hours of the
operator. So I had the same thought of creating 4 phantom shop employees
which the operator would clock the machine(phantom shop employee) in to
the
job it is running.

Scott

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Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:39 AM
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended

No labor because to operator, correct. We do have an "MRU" employee that
we
can clock into, but MRU can run in multiple areas of the shop at the
same
time. If someone clocks it in and runs for 10 hours but only produces 6
hours worth of work based on the prod standard rate, how can we capture
that
without doing something manual? Only applying 6 hours of labor instead
of
10? That is the problem I have been tackled with to find a solution to.
Any
ideas that would be more system driven?

Thanks

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@... <mailto:melissah%40ultramc.com>
<mailto:melissah%40ultramc.com>

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From: Charlie Smith <CSmith@...
<mailto:CSmith%40vistaconsultant.com>
<mailto:CSmith%40vistaconsultant.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 2:27:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended

Why no labor hours? The machine ran by itself with no operator
involvement? If that is the case, create a phantom shop employee with 0$
labor rate and clock that employee in as the operator and clock him off
to report the rate. For example Charlie Smith 35$ - Charlie Darkman 0$.
Now you don't have a labor cost to the job.

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf
Of melissa hietala
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

I am looking for some info from other people on how you capture this in
Vantage. Right now we do a mostly manual process. If a machine runs all
day an operator will clock into that job at the end of shift, record
number of good parts, write a labor note referencing "10 hours MRU".
Then the next day a office support person looks for these notes on the
Labor edit and adjusts the job's burden hours accordingly. No labor for
these transactions.

Does anyone have a better process to capture this time in a more system
driven way then we do?

Thanks for any help...

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@ultramc. com <mailto:melissah% 40ultramc. com>

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I am looking for some info from other people on how you capture this in Vantage. Right now we do a mostly manual process. If a machine runs all day an operator will clock into that job at the end of shift, record number of good parts, write a labor note referencing "10 hours MRU". Then the next day a office support person looks for these notes on the Labor edit and adjusts the job's burden hours accordingly. No labor for these transactions.

Does anyone have a better process to capture this time in a more system driven way then we do?

Thanks for any help...

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@...


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Why no labor hours? The machine ran by itself with no operator
involvement? If that is the case, create a phantom shop employee with 0$
labor rate and clock that employee in as the operator and clock him off
to report the rate. For example Charlie Smith 35$ - Charlie Darkman 0$.
Now you don't have a labor cost to the job.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of melissa hietala
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended



I am looking for some info from other people on how you capture this in
Vantage. Right now we do a mostly manual process. If a machine runs all
day an operator will clock into that job at the end of shift, record
number of good parts, write a labor note referencing "10 hours MRU".
Then the next day a office support person looks for these notes on the
Labor edit and adjusts the job's burden hours accordingly. No labor for
these transactions.

Does anyone have a better process to capture this time in a more system
driven way then we do?

Thanks for any help...

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@... <mailto:melissah%40ultramc.com>

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No labor because to operator, correct. We do have an "MRU" employee that we can clock into, but MRU can run in multiple areas of the shop at the same time. If someone clocks it in and runs for 10 hours but only produces 6 hours worth of work based on the prod standard rate, how can we capture that without doing something manual? Only applying 6 hours of labor instead of 10? That is the problem I have been tackled with to find a solution to. Any ideas that would be more system driven?

Thanks

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@...



----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie Smith <CSmith@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 2:27:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

Why no labor hours? The machine ran by itself with no operator
involvement? If that is the case, create a phantom shop employee with 0$
labor rate and clock that employee in as the operator and clock him off
to report the rate. For example Charlie Smith 35$ - Charlie Darkman 0$.
Now you don't have a labor cost to the job.

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of melissa hietala
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

I am looking for some info from other people on how you capture this in
Vantage. Right now we do a mostly manual process. If a machine runs all
day an operator will clock into that job at the end of shift, record
number of good parts, write a labor note referencing "10 hours MRU".
Then the next day a office support person looks for these notes on the
Labor edit and adjusts the job's burden hours accordingly. No labor for
these transactions.

Does anyone have a better process to capture this time in a more system
driven way then we do?

Thanks for any help...

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@ultramc. com <mailto:melissah% 40ultramc. com>

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Does anyone know if APM helps with this situation.

I have a similar problem with a operator able to run 4 machines at the same
time and we want to track the machine hours not the labor hours of the
operator. So I had the same thought of creating 4 phantom shop employees
which the operator would clock the machine(phantom shop employee) in to the
job it is running.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
melissa hietala
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:39 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

No labor because to operator, correct. We do have an "MRU" employee that we
can clock into, but MRU can run in multiple areas of the shop at the same
time. If someone clocks it in and runs for 10 hours but only produces 6
hours worth of work based on the prod standard rate, how can we capture that
without doing something manual? Only applying 6 hours of labor instead of
10? That is the problem I have been tackled with to find a solution to. Any
ideas that would be more system driven?

Thanks

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@...



----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie Smith <CSmith@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 2:27:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

Why no labor hours? The machine ran by itself with no operator
involvement? If that is the case, create a phantom shop employee with 0$
labor rate and clock that employee in as the operator and clock him off
to report the rate. For example Charlie Smith 35$ - Charlie Darkman 0$.
Now you don't have a labor cost to the job.

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of melissa hietala
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

I am looking for some info from other people on how you capture this in
Vantage. Right now we do a mostly manual process. If a machine runs all
day an operator will clock into that job at the end of shift, record
number of good parts, write a labor note referencing "10 hours MRU".
Then the next day a office support person looks for these notes on the
Labor edit and adjusts the job's burden hours accordingly. No labor for
these transactions.

Does anyone have a better process to capture this time in a more system
driven way then we do?

Thanks for any help...

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@ultramc. com <mailto:melissah% 40ultramc. com>

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As long as Burden = Labor is not checked, the machine hours will be the
hours clocked into the job Op and not the labor.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended



Does anyone know if APM helps with this situation.

I have a similar problem with a operator able to run 4 machines at the
same
time and we want to track the machine hours not the labor hours of the
operator. So I had the same thought of creating 4 phantom shop employees
which the operator would clock the machine(phantom shop employee) in to
the
job it is running.

Scott

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
melissa hietala
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:39 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended

No labor because to operator, correct. We do have an "MRU" employee that
we
can clock into, but MRU can run in multiple areas of the shop at the
same
time. If someone clocks it in and runs for 10 hours but only produces 6
hours worth of work based on the prod standard rate, how can we capture
that
without doing something manual? Only applying 6 hours of labor instead
of
10? That is the problem I have been tackled with to find a solution to.
Any
ideas that would be more system driven?

Thanks

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@... <mailto:melissah%40ultramc.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie Smith <CSmith@...
<mailto:CSmith%40vistaconsultant.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 2:27:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended

Why no labor hours? The machine ran by itself with no operator
involvement? If that is the case, create a phantom shop employee with 0$
labor rate and clock that employee in as the operator and clock him off
to report the rate. For example Charlie Smith 35$ - Charlie Darkman 0$.
Now you don't have a labor cost to the job.

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf
Of melissa hietala
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

I am looking for some info from other people on how you capture this in
Vantage. Right now we do a mostly manual process. If a machine runs all
day an operator will clock into that job at the end of shift, record
number of good parts, write a labor note referencing "10 hours MRU".
Then the next day a office support person looks for these notes on the
Labor edit and adjusts the job's burden hours accordingly. No labor for
these transactions.

Does anyone have a better process to capture this time in a more system
driven way then we do?

Thanks for any help...

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@ultramc. com <mailto:melissah% 40ultramc. com>

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If the resource group has use estimates checked, any labor would be
split on the basis of the estimated time for the job operations clocked
into. For example, the operator (Bob) is clocked as follows:

Job A Op 10 Mill 1 8:00-11:00 (3 Hours) Op Estimate 3.00 Hrs

Job B Op 10 Mill 2 9:00-11:30 (2.5 Hours) Op Estimate 2.00 Hours

Job C Op 10 Mill 3 10:00 - 17:00 (Lunch is .5 Hours [11:30 - 12:00] -
6.5 Hours) Op Estimate 7.00 Hours



The Result is as follows:

8:00 - 9:00 A/10 1.00 Hour

9:00 - 10:00 A/10 0.60 Hour & B/10 0.40 Hour (60% to Job A and 40% to
Job B due to the estimates)

10:00 - 11:00 A/10 0.25 Hour & B/10 0.16 Hour & C/10 0.59 Hour (3/12 Job
A, 2/12 Job B and 7/12 to Job C)

Job A/10 is now complete and posts 1.85 Labor hours and 3.00 Burden
hours (assuming the Resource Group Burden = Labor is unchecked)

11:00 -11:30 B/10 0.11 Hour & C/10 .39 Hour (2/9 Job B and 7/9 Job C)

Job B is now complete and posts .67 Labor hours and 2.5 Burden hours

11:30 - 17:00 C/10 5.00 Hours

Job C/10 is now complete and posts 5.98 Labor hours and 6.5 Burden
hours.



The system calculates Bob's Labor hours as:

8.5 Hours labor: 1.85 Job A/10, 0.67 Job B/10 and 5.98 Job C/10

Mill 1 - 3.0 Hours

Mill 2 - 2.5 Hours

Mill 3 - 6.5 Hours

Resource Group assumptions: Burden = Labor unchecked and Use Estimates
checked.



If a Resource Group has Burden = Labor checked, you are basically saying
that that machine does not run without an operator present or that is
how you want to cost those resources in that group.

If a Resource Group does not use estimates, the labor split will be
split proportionally to the number of jobs running concurrently rather
than based on the amount of time you expect them to use.

If a Resource Group uses Burden = Labor and Use Estimates checked, The
labor will be split based on the estimates and the machine hours will
then equal the labor hours.



Now getting back to the question, the machine ran for 10 hours but
produced 6 hours of work. Where did the other 4 hours go? Are you
telling me that it actually took a dedicated operator 10 hours or was
his time split between multiple jobs and the other 4 hours went
somewhere else? If there is a split then the above example works.



Charlie Smith

2W Technologies LLC / Smith Business Services





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of melissa hietala
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:39 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended



No labor because to operator, correct. We do have an "MRU" employee that
we can clock into, but MRU can run in multiple areas of the shop at the
same time. If someone clocks it in and runs for 10 hours but only
produces 6 hours worth of work based on the prod standard rate, how can
we capture that without doing something manual? Only applying 6 hours of
labor instead of 10? That is the problem I have been tackled with to
find a solution to. Any ideas that would be more system driven?

Thanks

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@... <mailto:melissah%40ultramc.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie Smith <CSmith@...
<mailto:CSmith%40vistaconsultant.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 2:27:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended

Why no labor hours? The machine ran by itself with no operator
involvement? If that is the case, create a phantom shop employee with 0$
labor rate and clock that employee in as the operator and clock him off
to report the rate. For example Charlie Smith 35$ - Charlie Darkman 0$.
Now you don't have a labor cost to the job.

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com]
<mailto:[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups%20.com]> On Behalf
Of melissa hietala
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

I am looking for some info from other people on how you capture this in
Vantage. Right now we do a mostly manual process. If a machine runs all
day an operator will clock into that job at the end of shift, record
number of good parts, write a labor note referencing "10 hours MRU".
Then the next day a office support person looks for these notes on the
Labor edit and adjusts the job's burden hours accordingly. No labor for
these transactions.

Does anyone have a better process to capture this time in a more system
driven way then we do?

Thanks for any help...

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@ultramc. com <mailto:melissah% 40ultramc. com
<mailto:melissah%25%2040ultramc.%20com> >

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But how does Vantage know how many of my 4 machines are running a Job.
Currently at scheduling time there is no way for the Scheduler to dictate or
know how many Scheduling Blocks (Resources) will be used on a particular
Job.

It still does not indicate how many hours each machine was running.

Scott

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Charlie Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

As long as Burden = Labor is not checked, the machine hours will be the
hours clocked into the job Op and not the labor.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Litzau
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended



Does anyone know if APM helps with this situation.

I have a similar problem with a operator able to run 4 machines at the
same
time and we want to track the machine hours not the labor hours of the
operator. So I had the same thought of creating 4 phantom shop employees
which the operator would clock the machine(phantom shop employee) in to
the
job it is running.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
melissa hietala
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:39 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended

No labor because to operator, correct. We do have an "MRU" employee that
we
can clock into, but MRU can run in multiple areas of the shop at the
same
time. If someone clocks it in and runs for 10 hours but only produces 6
hours worth of work based on the prod standard rate, how can we capture
that
without doing something manual? Only applying 6 hours of labor instead
of
10? That is the problem I have been tackled with to find a solution to.
Any
ideas that would be more system driven?

Thanks

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@... <mailto:melissah%40ultramc.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie Smith <CSmith@...
<mailto:CSmith%40vistaconsultant.com> >
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 2:27:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running
unattended

Why no labor hours? The machine ran by itself with no operator
involvement? If that is the case, create a phantom shop employee with 0$
labor rate and clock that employee in as the operator and clock him off
to report the rate. For example Charlie Smith 35$ - Charlie Darkman 0$.
Now you don't have a labor cost to the job.

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf
Of melissa hietala
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:43 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [Vantage] 8.03.305 Capturing machine time running unattended

I am looking for some info from other people on how you capture this in
Vantage. Right now we do a mostly manual process. If a machine runs all
day an operator will clock into that job at the end of shift, record
number of good parts, write a labor note referencing "10 hours MRU".
Then the next day a office support person looks for these notes on the
Labor edit and adjusts the job's burden hours accordingly. No labor for
these transactions.

Does anyone have a better process to capture this time in a more system
driven way then we do?

Thanks for any help...

Melissa Hietala
UMC, Inc.
melissah@ultramc. com <mailto:melissah% 40ultramc. com>

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