Auto Job CLosing / Completion

system · November 5, 2008, 2:03pm

I have added $1.00 to the costing labor rates production field on the
resource group. My resources inherit from the groups. I am still not
using this process since I manually receive the job to stock and the
process only loks at what is complete through the operations so I
haven't played with this in quite awhile. I believe that the methods
that have already been set up will need to be rebalanced with the new
entries since they are not automatically updated when the resource group
is.

Kersten MacLennan
IT/ERP Analyst
Semrock
A Unit of IDEX Corporation
3625 Buffalo Road, Suite 6
Rochester, New York 14624

585-594-7009
585-594-7095 fax

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of opentoideas1
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Auto Job CLosing / Completion

I have hit a wall with trying to get automated job completion/closing
to work.

where does the estimated operation cost come from?

it appears to be the value of labour associated with the operation
rather than the material cost that the system is looking for but I am
at a loss as to where this information is pulled from.

has anyone managed to get past this?

by entering a value against labour in resource group maintenance I
have managed to get jobs to complete in our test environment but still
with the error detailed below - which then close even prior to
shipping which is an issue!

by also entering a value into the Job tab under operation for quantity
per machine I have managed to get the job to complete without error
but it wont close.

at the moment I an stabbing wildly in the dark as the help files are
not very enlightening.

could anyone point me in the right direction?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:

>
> The warning makes sense to me... ERP is all about tools to manage

your business operations in financial terms.

>
> Without an estimate, there can be no actual variance to it to

provide reporting against.

>
> That said, I'm surprised it prevents you from proceeding.
>
> How have you set up the costing for the Parts on the jobs being

received that result in this message? (I'm wondering if a different
costing method would allow you to proceed.)

>
> Rob
>
> --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@...> wrote:
>
> From: Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 11:02 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have played with it a little and have found the following:
>
> We do not use the auto receipt option to receive the job to stock. We
> manually process a receipt from manufacturing and the auto-close does
> not look at the receipt quantity only the quantity complete through

the

> operations
> You must have an estimated dollar value on each operation whether you
> are really using it or not. Here is the exception message "Too much
> operation cost posted. No estimated operation cost available."
> All material must have an estimated value
>
>
> Kersten MacLennan
> IT/ERP Analyst
> Semrock, Inc.
> 3625 Buffalo Rd.,
> Suite 6
> Rochester, NY 14624
> 585-594-7009
> 585-594-7095 fax
>
> kmaclennan@semrock. com
>
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Instrumentation

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Behalf

> Of Robert Brown
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:24 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
>
> Can't help you with this one as we are still in 'manual mode' with Job
> closing. We aren't that far from having gone live and reviewing the
> details of job closing exceptions is helping is correct inappropriate
> outliers in the legacy system data (and/or our assumptions of the
> Vantage representation of our business processes models) we massively
> converted & imported.
>
> Unless there are bugs in your version, I would assume the thresholds

on

> auto job closing work as advertised. You would want to (if using the
> back-flush process) have that process running to 'complete' your jobs
> before running recurring scheduled closings.
>
> Rob Brown
>
> --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com
> <mailto:loulrd% 40yahoo.com> > wrote:
> From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com <mailto:loulrd% 40yahoo.com> >
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:56 AM
>
> On the Auto Jobs complete/close.
>
> Do you have to run the complete first, then run close or can you just
> run the close, assuming it looks a the candidates, and processes them
> according to the thresholds set.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>
> From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
>
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:49:07 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
>
> Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any

operations

> on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on those
> operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for those

who

> don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs for picklists
> and cost of goods sold
>
> Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but you
> need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you use
> product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto
> complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your
> product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to

default

>
> --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>
>
> Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
>
> Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM
>
> Is anyone using these programs?
>
> If so, any problems/concerns?
>
> Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns /
> problems.
>
> Thank you
>
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system · July 11, 2008, 5:32pm

Is anyone using these programs?
If so, any problems/concerns?
Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns / problems.
Thank you

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system · July 11, 2008, 8:49pm

Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any operations on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on those operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for those who don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs for picklists and cost of goods sold
Â
Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but you need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you use product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to default

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@...> wrote:

From: Lou Laird <loulrd@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?
If so, any problems/concerns?
Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns / problems.
Thank you

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system · July 12, 2008, 7:56am

We have not tried this yet, but does it backflush all jobs and all
operations? Would the Operations have to be flagged as Labor Type:
Backflush?

Thanks,
Joy Fekkes
Jaco, Inc

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...> wrote:
>
> Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any
operations on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on
those operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for
those who don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs
for picklists and cost of goods sold
> Â
> Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but
you need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you
use product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto
complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your
product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to
default
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> --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@...> wrote:
>
> From: Lou Laird <loulrd@...>
> Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM
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> If so, any problems/concerns?
> Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns /
problems.
> Thank you
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system · July 12, 2008, 3:44pm

We use the server back-flush process and it has worked flawlessly... One of the few things on various versions of v8 I can say that about.

We aren't yet into auto job closing so no opinion.

Rob Brown

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@...> wrote:
From: Lou Laird <loulrd@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?

If so, any problems/concerns?

Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns / problems.

Thank you

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system · July 12, 2008, 3:57pm

Yes: In our assemble to order process scenario, all but that last OP is set to Back-flush. When the operator reports completion (Qty reporting type) of the last OP in MES, the back-flush process detects it and back-flushes all prior OPs and materials associated with those OPs.

One note: The standard dispatch becomes problematic when you utilize backflush OPs. They still appear as open until the server backflush process runs.

In the assembly area we where we use backflush OPs, we have our own web page dispatch for each assembly line that can be refreshed in real time and only shows the Qty reporting Ops. (We also modifed our assembly product Travelers not to display these Ops as it serves no value to do so.)

You might be tempted to set up an OP as Backflush in, say, a heavy machining oriented MoM - if it was a very short cycle time OP (like a deburring or cleaning operation) sandwiched between two long cycle time CNC machining OPs.

In a case like this, the problems backflush OPs can cause with valid real time dispatching (as described above) may over-ride any benefit of these OPs being backflush (versus say - Qty reporting).

Rob Brown

--- On Sat, 7/12/08, jfekkes <jfekkes@...> wrote:
From: jfekkes <jfekkes@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 7:56 AM

We have not tried this yet, but does it backflush all jobs and all

operations? Would the Operations have to be flagged as Labor Type:

Backflush?

Thanks,

Joy Fekkes

Jaco, Inc

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@.. .> wrote:

>

> Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any

operations on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on

those operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for

those who don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs

for picklists and cost of goods sold

>

> Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but

you need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you

use product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto

complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your

product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to

default

>

> --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@...> wrote:

>

> From: Lou Laird <loulrd@...>

> Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

> Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

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problems.

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system · July 13, 2008, 12:52am

We noticed a continous process check box, what is it? What does it do?
When do you run the backflush labor? Is it scheduled to run several times a day? Do you run it manually?

----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:44:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

We use the server back-flush process and it has worked flawlessly.. . One of the few things on various versions of v8 I can say that about.

We aren't yet into auto job closing so no opinion.

Rob Brown

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?

If so, any problems/concerns?

Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns / problems.

Thank you

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · July 13, 2008, 12:56am

On the Auto Jobs complete/close.
Do you have to run the complete first, then run close or can you just run the close, assuming it looks a the candidates, and processes them according to the thresholds set.

----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:49:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any operations on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on those operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for those who don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs for picklists and cost of goods sold
Â
Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but you need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you use product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to default

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?
If so, any problems/concerns?
Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns / problems.
Thank you

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system · July 13, 2008, 12:11pm

We set this up so long ago I can't recall if the process is just a native, active (by checking continuous process) BPM or a native BAM process with a recurring schedule (say - every five minutes).

Either way, you would want to check 'continuous process'.

Rob Brown

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@...> wrote:
From: Lou Laird <loulrd@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:52 AM

We noticed a continous process check box, what is it? What does it do?

When do you run the backflush labor? Is it scheduled to run several times a day? Do you run it manually?

----- Original Message ----

From: Robert Brown <robertb_versa@ yahoo.com>

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:44:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

We use the server back-flush process and it has worked flawlessly.. . One of the few things on various versions of v8 I can say that about.

We aren't yet into auto job closing so no opinion.

Rob Brown

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>

Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?

If so, any problems/concerns?

Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns / problems.

Thank you

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · July 13, 2008, 12:24pm

Can't help you with this one as we are still in 'manual mode' with Job closing. We aren't that far from having gone live and reviewing the details of job closing exceptions is helping is correct inappropriate outliers in the legacy system data (and/or our assumptions of the Vantage representation of our business processes models) we massively converted & imported.

Unless there are bugs in your version, I would assume the thresholds on auto job closing work as advertised. You would want to (if using the back-flush process) have that process running to 'complete' your jobs before running recurring scheduled closings.

Rob Brown

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@...> wrote:
From: Lou Laird <loulrd@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:56 AM

On the Auto Jobs complete/close.

Do you have to run the complete first, then run close or can you just run the close, assuming it looks a the candidates, and processes them according to the thresholds set.

----- Original Message ----

From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:49:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any operations on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on those operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for those who don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs for picklists and cost of goods sold

Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but you need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you use product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to default

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>

Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?

If so, any problems/concerns?

Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns / problems.

Thank you

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system · July 14, 2008, 11:02am

I have played with it a little and have found the following:

We do not use the auto receipt option to receive the job to stock. We
manually process a receipt from manufacturing and the auto-close does
not look at the receipt quantity only the quantity complete through the
operations
You must have an estimated dollar value on each operation whether you
are really using it or not. Here is the exception message "Too much
operation cost posted. No estimated operation cost available."
All material must have an estimated value

Kersten MacLennan
IT/ERP Analyst
Semrock, Inc.
3625 Buffalo Rd.,
Suite 6
Rochester, NY 14624
585-594-7009
585-594-7095 fax

kmaclennan@...

The Standard in Optical Filters for Biotech & Analytical Instrumentation

Hundreds of Thousands of Ion Beam Sputtered filters delivered -
extensive inventory now!

The information contained in this message and any attachments may be
privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If the reader
of this message is not the intended recipient, or any agent responsible
for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this
communication may be unlawful and therefore strictly prohibited. If you
received this message in error, please reply to the message and delete
it. Thank you

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Can't help you with this one as we are still in 'manual mode' with Job
closing. We aren't that far from having gone live and reviewing the
details of job closing exceptions is helping is correct inappropriate
outliers in the legacy system data (and/or our assumptions of the
Vantage representation of our business processes models) we massively
converted & imported.

Unless there are bugs in your version, I would assume the thresholds on
auto job closing work as advertised. You would want to (if using the
back-flush process) have that process running to 'complete' your jobs
before running recurring scheduled closings.

Rob Brown

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@...
<mailto:loulrd%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
From: Lou Laird <loulrd@... <mailto:loulrd%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:56 AM

On the Auto Jobs complete/close.

Do you have to run the complete first, then run close or can you just
run the close, assuming it looks a the candidates, and processes them
according to the thresholds set.

----- Original Message ----

From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:49:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any operations
on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on those
operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for those who
don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs for picklists
and cost of goods sold

Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but you
need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you use
product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto
complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your
product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to default

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>

Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?

If so, any problems/concerns?

Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns /
problems.

Thank you

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system · July 14, 2008, 11:26am

You need to run the auto complete first to set up those jobs to be auto closed

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@...> wrote:

From: Lou Laird <loulrd@...>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:56 AM

On the Auto Jobs complete/close.
Do you have to run the complete first, then run close or can you just run the close, assuming it looks a the candidates, and processes them according to the thresholds set.

----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:49:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any operations on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on those operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for those who don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs for picklists and cost of goods sold
Â
Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but you need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you use product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to default

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?
If so, any problems/concerns?
Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns / problems.
Thank you

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system · July 14, 2008, 11:28am

The auto receive is only used when you are over reporting a quantity on a job. if you select auto receive it will apply the correct amount to the job and automatically issue the overage to inventory. Works great but you need to be careful as it assumes you are creating "finished goods". This is the same whether this is a make to stock or non stock item

--- On Mon, 7/14/08, Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@...> wrote:

From: Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 11:02 AM

I have played with it a little and have found the following:

We do not use the auto receipt option to receive the job to stock. We
manually process a receipt from manufacturing and the auto-close does
not look at the receipt quantity only the quantity complete through the
operations
You must have an estimated dollar value on each operation whether you
are really using it or not. Here is the exception message "Too much
operation cost posted. No estimated operation cost available."
All material must have an estimated value

Kersten MacLennan
IT/ERP Analyst
Semrock, Inc.
3625 Buffalo Rd.,
Suite 6
Rochester, NY 14624
585-594-7009
585-594-7095 fax

kmaclennan@semrock. com

The Standard in Optical Filters for Biotech & Analytical Instrumentation

Hundreds of Thousands of Ion Beam Sputtered filters delivered -
extensive inventory now!

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From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Can't help you with this one as we are still in 'manual mode' with Job
closing. We aren't that far from having gone live and reviewing the
details of job closing exceptions is helping is correct inappropriate
outliers in the legacy system data (and/or our assumptions of the
Vantage representation of our business processes models) we massively
converted & imported.

Unless there are bugs in your version, I would assume the thresholds on
auto job closing work as advertised. You would want to (if using the
back-flush process) have that process running to 'complete' your jobs
before running recurring scheduled closings.

Rob Brown

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com
<mailto:loulrd% 40yahoo.com> > wrote:
From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com <mailto:loulrd% 40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:56 AM

On the Auto Jobs complete/close.

Do you have to run the complete first, then run close or can you just
run the close, assuming it looks a the candidates, and processes them
according to the thresholds set.

----- Original Message ----

From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:49:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any operations
on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on those
operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for those who
don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs for picklists
and cost of goods sold

Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but you
need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you use
product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto
complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your
product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to default

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>

Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?

If so, any problems/concerns?

Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns /
problems.

Thank you

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system · July 14, 2008, 11:49am

There is a new feature in 8.03.400.05 that allows for job cost over and under. This should override the previous issue of having to have costs on your materials and ops. I need to test and report back to the group that this is working correctly

--- On Mon, 7/14/08, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...> wrote:

From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 11:28 AM

The auto receive is only used when you are over reporting a quantity on a job. if you select auto receive it will apply the correct amount to the job and automatically issue the overage to inventory. Works great but you need to be careful as it assumes you are creating "finished goods". This is the same whether this is a make to stock or non stock item

--- On Mon, 7/14/08, Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@semrock. com> wrote:

From: Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@semrock. com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 11:02 AM

I have played with it a little and have found the following:

We do not use the auto receipt option to receive the job to stock. We
manually process a receipt from manufacturing and the auto-close does
not look at the receipt quantity only the quantity complete through the
operations
You must have an estimated dollar value on each operation whether you
are really using it or not. Here is the exception message "Too much
operation cost posted. No estimated operation cost available."
All material must have an estimated value

Kersten MacLennan
IT/ERP Analyst
Semrock, Inc.
3625 Buffalo Rd.,
Suite 6
Rochester, NY 14624
585-594-7009
585-594-7095 fax

kmaclennan@semrock. com

The Standard in Optical Filters for Biotech & Analytical Instrumentation

Hundreds of Thousands of Ion Beam Sputtered filters delivered -
extensive inventory now!

The information contained in this message and any attachments may be
privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If the reader
of this message is not the intended recipient, or any agent responsible
for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this
communication may be unlawful and therefore strictly prohibited. If you
received this message in error, please reply to the message and delete
it. Thank you

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@ yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Can't help you with this one as we are still in 'manual mode' with Job
closing. We aren't that far from having gone live and reviewing the
details of job closing exceptions is helping is correct inappropriate
outliers in the legacy system data (and/or our assumptions of the
Vantage representation of our business processes models) we massively
converted & imported.

Unless there are bugs in your version, I would assume the thresholds on
auto job closing work as advertised. You would want to (if using the
back-flush process) have that process running to 'complete' your jobs
before running recurring scheduled closings.

Rob Brown

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com
<mailto:loulrd% 40yahoo.com> > wrote:
From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com <mailto:loulrd% 40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:56 AM

On the Auto Jobs complete/close.

Do you have to run the complete first, then run close or can you just
run the close, assuming it looks a the candidates, and processes them
according to the thresholds set.

----- Original Message ----

From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:49:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any operations
on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on those
operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for those who
don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs for picklists
and cost of goods sold

Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but you
need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you use
product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto
complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your
product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to default

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>

Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?

If so, any problems/concerns?

Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns /
problems.

Thank you

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system · July 14, 2008, 11:52am

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "jfekkes" <jfekkes@...> wrote:

>
> We have not tried this yet, but does it backflush all jobs and all
> operations? Would the Operations have to be flagged as Labor Type:
> Backflush?
>
> Thanks,
> Joy Fekkes
> Jaco, Inc
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@> wrote:
> >
> > Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any
> operations on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material

on

> those operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for
> those who don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs
> for picklists and cost of goods sold
> > Â
> > Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but
> you need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If

you

> use product groups and want to be selective on where you want to

auto

> complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your
> product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to
> default
> >
> > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Lou Laird <loulrd@>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is anyone using these programs?
> > If so, any problems/concerns?
> > Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any

concerns /

> problems.
> > Thank you
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Maybe I don't understand the question but we do nothing but
backflushing of labor. The labor is only backflushed when a quantity
is reported on an operation through labor entry. It then backflushes
the labor for that quantity only. So if you report 10 good and 2
scrap items on an operation, it will backflush the labor associated
with 12 parts. It seems to work fine. However, you obviously are
using a "standard" quantity of labor that is built into the MOM. If
your actual labor is not close to the "standard", you're going to
throw a variance in Applied Labor.

system · July 14, 2008, 1:25pm

The warning makes sense to me... ERP is all about tools to manage your business operations in financial terms.

Without an estimate, there can be no actual variance to it to provide reporting against.

That said, I'm surprised it prevents you from proceeding.

How have you set up the costing for the Parts on the jobs being received that result in this message? (I'm wondering if a different costing method would allow you to proceed.)

Rob

--- On Mon, 7/14/08, Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@...> wrote:

From: Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 11:02 AM

I have played with it a little and have found the following:

We do not use the auto receipt option to receive the job to stock. We
manually process a receipt from manufacturing and the auto-close does
not look at the receipt quantity only the quantity complete through the
operations
You must have an estimated dollar value on each operation whether you
are really using it or not. Here is the exception message "Too much
operation cost posted. No estimated operation cost available."
All material must have an estimated value

Kersten MacLennan
IT/ERP Analyst
Semrock, Inc.
3625 Buffalo Rd.,
Suite 6
Rochester, NY 14624
585-594-7009
585-594-7095 fax

kmaclennan@semrock. com

The Standard in Optical Filters for Biotech & Analytical Instrumentation

Hundreds of Thousands of Ion Beam Sputtered filters delivered -
extensive inventory now!

The information contained in this message and any attachments may be
privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If the reader
of this message is not the intended recipient, or any agent responsible
for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby
notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this
communication may be unlawful and therefore strictly prohibited. If you
received this message in error, please reply to the message and delete
it. Thank you

____________ _________ _________ __

From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of Robert Brown
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:24 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Can't help you with this one as we are still in 'manual mode' with Job
closing. We aren't that far from having gone live and reviewing the
details of job closing exceptions is helping is correct inappropriate
outliers in the legacy system data (and/or our assumptions of the
Vantage representation of our business processes models) we massively
converted & imported.

Unless there are bugs in your version, I would assume the thresholds on
auto job closing work as advertised. You would want to (if using the
back-flush process) have that process running to 'complete' your jobs
before running recurring scheduled closings.

Rob Brown

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com
<mailto:loulrd% 40yahoo.com> > wrote:
From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com <mailto:loulrd% 40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:56 AM

On the Auto Jobs complete/close.

Do you have to run the complete first, then run close or can you just
run the close, assuming it looks a the candidates, and processes them
according to the thresholds set.

----- Original Message ----

From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:49:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any operations
on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on those
operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for those who
don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs for picklists
and cost of goods sold

Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but you
need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you use
product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto
complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your
product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to default

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>

Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

Is anyone using these programs?

If so, any problems/concerns?

Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns /
problems.

Thank you

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · July 14, 2008, 2:21pm

It will only backflush those labor operations where labor entry is set to backflush. It will not complete jobs, only operations. If the materials are set to backlfush on those operations then those materials will also backflush when you run your backflush labor process

--- On Mon, 7/14/08, bkeller055 <bkeller@...> wrote:

From: bkeller055 <bkeller@...>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Auto Job CLosing / Completion
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 11:50 AM

--- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, "jfekkes" <jfekkes@... > wrote:
>
> We have not tried this yet, but does it backflush all jobs and all
> operations? Would the Operations have to be flagged as Labor Type:
> Backflush?
>
> Thanks,
> Joy Fekkes
> Jaco, Inc
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups .com, Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@> wrote:
> >
> > Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any
> operations on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material
on
> those operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for
> those who don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs
> for picklists and cost of goods sold
> > Â
> > Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but
> you need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If
you
> use product groups and want to be selective on where you want to
auto
> complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your
> product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to
> default
> >
> > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Lou Laird <loulrd@>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> > Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is anyone using these programs?
> > If so, any problems/concerns?
> > Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any
concerns /
> problems.
> > Thank you
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>

Maybe I don't understand the question but we do nothing but
backflushing of labor. The labor is only backflushed when a quantity
is reported on an operation through labor entry. It then backflushes
the labor for that quantity only. So if you report 10 good and 2
scrap items on an operation, it will backflush the labor associated
with 12 parts. It seems to work fine. However, you obviously are
using a "standard" quantity of labor that is built into the MOM. If
your actual labor is not close to the "standard", you're going to
throw a variance in Applied Labor.

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system · July 28, 2008, 1:28pm

Curious, anyone actually using this function?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

system · November 5, 2008, 10:03am

I have hit a wall with trying to get automated job completion/closing
to work.

where does the estimated operation cost come from?

it appears to be the value of labour associated with the operation
rather than the material cost that the system is looking for but I am
at a loss as to where this information is pulled from.

has anyone managed to get past this?

by entering a value against labour in resource group maintenance I
have managed to get jobs to complete in our test environment but still
with the error detailed below - which then close even prior to
shipping which is an issue!

by also entering a value into the Job tab under operation for quantity
per machine I have managed to get the job to complete without error
but it wont close.

at the moment I an stabbing wildly in the dark as the help files are
not very enlightening.

could anyone point me in the right direction?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:
>
> The warning makes sense to me... ERP is all about tools to manage
your business operations in financial terms.
>
> Without an estimate, there can be no actual variance to it to
provide reporting against.
>
> That said, I'm surprised it prevents you from proceeding.
>
> How have you set up the costing for the Parts on the jobs being
received that result in this message? (I'm wondering if a different
costing method would allow you to proceed.)
>
> Rob
>
> --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@...> wrote:
>
> From: Kersten MacLennan <kmaclennan@...>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 11:02 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have played with it a little and have found the following:
>
> We do not use the auto receipt option to receive the job to stock. We
> manually process a receipt from manufacturing and the auto-close does
> not look at the receipt quantity only the quantity complete through the
> operations
> You must have an estimated dollar value on each operation whether you
> are really using it or not. Here is the exception message "Too much
> operation cost posted. No estimated operation cost available."
> All material must have an estimated value
>
>
> Kersten MacLennan
> IT/ERP Analyst
> Semrock, Inc.
> 3625 Buffalo Rd.,
> Suite 6
> Rochester, NY 14624
> 585-594-7009
> 585-594-7095 fax
>
> kmaclennan@semrock. com
>
> The Standard in Optical Filters for Biotech & Analytical Instrumentation
>
> Hundreds of Thousands of Ion Beam Sputtered filters delivered -
> extensive inventory now!
>
> The information contained in this message and any attachments may be
> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If the reader
> of this message is not the intended recipient, or any agent responsible
> for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby
> notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this
> communication may be unlawful and therefore strictly prohibited. If you
> received this message in error, please reply to the message and delete
> it. Thank you
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups .com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf
> Of Robert Brown
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:24 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
>
> Can't help you with this one as we are still in 'manual mode' with Job
> closing. We aren't that far from having gone live and reviewing the
> details of job closing exceptions is helping is correct inappropriate
> outliers in the legacy system data (and/or our assumptions of the
> Vantage representation of our business processes models) we massively
> converted & imported.
>
> Unless there are bugs in your version, I would assume the thresholds on
> auto job closing work as advertised. You would want to (if using the
> back-flush process) have that process running to 'complete' your jobs
> before running recurring scheduled closings.
>
> Rob Brown
>
> --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com
> <mailto:loulrd% 40yahoo.com> > wrote:
> From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com <mailto:loulrd% 40yahoo.com> >
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 12:56 AM
>
> On the Auto Jobs complete/close.
>
> Do you have to run the complete first, then run close or can you just
> run the close, assuming it looks a the candidates, and processes them
> according to the thresholds set.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>
> From: Mark Wagner <mjfw2003@yahoo. com>
>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
>
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:49:07 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
>
> Backflush labor process will go and automatically report any operations
> on released jobs as complete, backflushing any material on those
> operations where material is set to backflush. Works fine for those who
> don't need to track operations and just want to use jobs for picklists
> and cost of goods sold
>
> Auto job complete/close is a little bit more touchy. It works but you
> need to be sure as to how you want to set your thresholds. If you use
> product groups and want to be selective on where you want to auto
> complete/close then tie your auto complete/close parameters to your
> product groups. If not set the auto complete/close parameters to default
>
> --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Lou Laird <loulrd@yahoo. com>
>
> Subject: [Vantage] Auto Job CLosing / Completion
>
> To: vantage@yahoogroups .com
>
> Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:32 PM
>
> Is anyone using these programs?
>
> If so, any problems/concerns?
>
> Also, backflush labor server process, anyone using, any concerns /
> problems.
>
> Thank you
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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