All depends upon your need to see up to second job status & whether you have backflush materials associated w/ potential backflushe labor OPs (as mtl won't backflush until these OPs backflush upon job rcpt).
If you do cycle counting, that mtl backflushing issue (timing of it) can complicate things as the average person struggles to 'get' the impact of it (and your cycle counts can result in worsening count accuracy).
We use backflush labor OPs in our hi-thruput assy area (where total labor content per unit is typically 5 total minutes).
We DON'T use backflush OPs in our CNC machine shop (that produces component SKUs for Assy use) as single OPs on multi-OP make to stock jobs can have 2 to 15 day load durations at the bottleneck OPs (and a job may have 3 to 19 complex machining OPs winding back and forth thru 2 to 10 machines).
Another option to consider (if WIP visibility needs are low or nil on some parts & you have suitable lean/cell produced parts that turn around quickly & very reliably) - Consider using the KanBan Receipts process.
Rob
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Subj:[Vantage] Re: Booking ops off
Ok, thanks for this. So 'backflushing' is the way forward? We have never used this before.
Michael
If you do cycle counting, that mtl backflushing issue (timing of it) can complicate things as the average person struggles to 'get' the impact of it (and your cycle counts can result in worsening count accuracy).
We use backflush labor OPs in our hi-thruput assy area (where total labor content per unit is typically 5 total minutes).
We DON'T use backflush OPs in our CNC machine shop (that produces component SKUs for Assy use) as single OPs on multi-OP make to stock jobs can have 2 to 15 day load durations at the bottleneck OPs (and a job may have 3 to 19 complex machining OPs winding back and forth thru 2 to 10 machines).
Another option to consider (if WIP visibility needs are low or nil on some parts & you have suitable lean/cell produced parts that turn around quickly & very reliably) - Consider using the KanBan Receipts process.
Rob
--- Original Message ---
From:"michael.hutcheson@..." <michael.hutcheson@...>
Sent:Thu 6/3/10 6:22 am
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Subj:[Vantage] Re: Booking ops off
Ok, thanks for this. So 'backflushing' is the way forward? We have never used this before.
Michael
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, robertb_versa@... wrote:
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> Slight clarification Manessa (as we us backflush defined OPs extensively) - under your scenario backflush OPs 1 thru 6 do not backflush upon rptg qty (or time & qty) of OP 7. They will backflush upon inventory receipt of the job (or, if a Make Direct job - upon addition to a shipping pending Pack ID).
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> Rob
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> From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...>
> Sent:Wed 6/2/10 9:20 am
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> Subj:RE: [Vantage] Booking ops off
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> You can backflush, but you would have to still use Labor Entry.
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> Basically if you had 10 ops and you did not want to clock in and out on
> the first 7, you would record on op 7 and the system would record the
> labor automatically on the first 7 ops.
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> On the operation itself, you have 3 options to record labor. The field
> is called Labor Entry (not to be confused with the screen Labor Entry).
> You can pick either backflush, quantity only, or time and quantity.
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> So in my scenario the first 6 ops would be the backflush option, the 7th
> op would be quantity only, and then the rest would be time and quantity.
> You would record quantity on op 7 and the system will record the labor
> time for the first 7 ops automatically.
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> But there are two hitches with this: 1) You cannot have the "time and
> quantity" option within the first 7 ops for backflushing to work. 2)
> Subcontract ops would have to be at the end of your op list.
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> M. Manasa Reddy
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> Of michael.hutcheson@...
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> Subject: [Vantage] Booking ops off
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> Hello,
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> Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?
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> We are using Vantage 8.03.406
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> Thanks,
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> Michael
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