Booking ops off

All depends upon your need to see up to second job status & whether you have backflush materials associated w/ potential backflushe labor OPs (as mtl won't backflush until these OPs backflush upon job rcpt).

If you do cycle counting, that mtl backflushing issue (timing of it) can complicate things as the average person struggles to 'get' the impact of it (and your cycle counts can result in worsening count accuracy).

We use backflush labor OPs in our hi-thruput assy area (where total labor content per unit is typically 5 total minutes).

We DON'T use backflush OPs in our CNC machine shop (that produces component SKUs for Assy use) as single OPs on multi-OP make to stock jobs can have 2 to 15 day load durations at the bottleneck OPs (and a job may have 3 to 19 complex machining OPs winding back and forth thru 2 to 10 machines).

Another option to consider (if WIP visibility needs are low or nil on some parts & you have suitable lean/cell produced parts that turn around quickly & very reliably) - Consider using the KanBan Receipts process.

Rob
--- Original Message ---
From:"michael.hutcheson@..." <michael.hutcheson@...>
Sent:Thu 6/3/10 6:22 am
To:vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subj:[Vantage] Re: Booking ops off

Ok, thanks for this. So 'backflushing' is the way forward? We have never used this before.


Michael

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, robertb_versa@... wrote:
>
> Slight clarification Manessa (as we us backflush defined OPs extensively) - under your scenario backflush OPs 1 thru 6 do not backflush upon rptg qty (or time & qty) of OP 7. They will backflush upon inventory receipt of the job (or, if a Make Direct job - upon addition to a shipping pending Pack ID).
>
> Rob
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...>
> Sent:Wed 6/2/10 9:20 am
> To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Subj:RE: [Vantage] Booking ops off
>
> You can backflush, but you would have to still use Labor Entry.
>
>
>
> Basically if you had 10 ops and you did not want to clock in and out on
> the first 7, you would record on op 7 and the system would record the
> labor automatically on the first 7 ops.
>
>
>
> On the operation itself, you have 3 options to record labor. The field
> is called Labor Entry (not to be confused with the screen Labor Entry).
> You can pick either backflush, quantity only, or time and quantity.
>
>
>
> So in my scenario the first 6 ops would be the backflush option, the 7th
> op would be quantity only, and then the rest would be time and quantity.
> You would record quantity on op 7 and the system will record the labor
> time for the first 7 ops automatically.
>
>
>
> But there are two hitches with this: 1) You cannot have the "time and
> quantity" option within the first 7 ops for backflushing to work. 2)
> Subcontract ops would have to be at the end of your op list.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of michael.hutcheson@...
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:47 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Booking ops off
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?
>
> We are using Vantage 8.03.406
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Hello,

Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?

We are using Vantage 8.03.406


Thanks,

Michael
What do you mean "book specific ops off"?



You mean record labor without going into Labor Entry? And I would
assume MES is not an option?







M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of michael.hutcheson@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:47 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Booking ops off





Hello,

Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?

We are using Vantage 8.03.406

Thanks,

Michael





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
You can backflush, but you would have to still use Labor Entry.



Basically if you had 10 ops and you did not want to clock in and out on
the first 7, you would record on op 7 and the system would record the
labor automatically on the first 7 ops.



On the operation itself, you have 3 options to record labor. The field
is called Labor Entry (not to be confused with the screen Labor Entry).
You can pick either backflush, quantity only, or time and quantity.



So in my scenario the first 6 ops would be the backflush option, the 7th
op would be quantity only, and then the rest would be time and quantity.
You would record quantity on op 7 and the system will record the labor
time for the first 7 ops automatically.



But there are two hitches with this: 1) You cannot have the "time and
quantity" option within the first 7 ops for backflushing to work. 2)
Subcontract ops would have to be at the end of your op list.









M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of michael.hutcheson@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:47 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Booking ops off





Hello,

Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?

We are using Vantage 8.03.406

Thanks,

Michael





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Can ops. be booked off on the job no. without going into labour entry
& yes MES could be an option.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...> wrote:
>
> What do you mean "book specific ops off"?
>
>
>
> You mean record labor without going into Labor Entry? And I would
> assume MES is not an option?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of michael.hutcheson@...
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:47 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Booking ops off
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?
>
> We are using Vantage 8.03.406
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Slight clarification Manessa (as we us backflush defined OPs extensively) - under your scenario backflush OPs 1 thru 6 do not backflush upon rptg qty (or time & qty) of OP 7. They will backflush upon inventory receipt of the job (or, if a Make Direct job - upon addition to a shipping pending Pack ID).

Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...>
Sent:Wed 6/2/10 9:20 am
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] Booking ops off

You can backflush, but you would have to still use Labor Entry.



Basically if you had 10 ops and you did not want to clock in and out on
the first 7, you would record on op 7 and the system would record the
labor automatically on the first 7 ops.



On the operation itself, you have 3 options to record labor. The field
is called Labor Entry (not to be confused with the screen Labor Entry).
You can pick either backflush, quantity only, or time and quantity.



So in my scenario the first 6 ops would be the backflush option, the 7th
op would be quantity only, and then the rest would be time and quantity.
You would record quantity on op 7 and the system will record the labor
time for the first 7 ops automatically.



But there are two hitches with this: 1) You cannot have the "time and
quantity" option within the first 7 ops for backflushing to work. 2)
Subcontract ops would have to be at the end of your op list.









M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of michael.hutcheson@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:47 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Booking ops off





Hello,

Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?

We are using Vantage 8.03.406

Thanks,

Michael





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
If you don't care about actual job labor cost accumulation (and do not run the Job Qty Yield Recalc process), you can directly mark jobopr.complete & jobopdtl.complete by opening up the fields for direct update in apps capable of it (like job entry). You can also do a DTS update if you're brave and write an app to do so.
There will be no labordetail record however (and this will be a job completion/closing exception to deal with).
Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"michael.hutcheson@..." <michael.hutcheson@...>
Sent:Wed 6/2/10 11:27 am
To:vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subj:[Vantage] Re: Booking ops off

Can ops. be booked off on the job no. without going into labour entry
& yes MES could be an option.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...> wrote:
>
> What do you mean "book specific ops off"?
>
>
>
> You mean record labor without going into Labor Entry? And I would
> assume MES is not an option?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of michael.hutcheson@...
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:47 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Booking ops off
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?
>
> We are using Vantage 8.03.406
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Agreed! Duly noted!







M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of robertb_versa@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Booking ops off





Slight clarification Manessa (as we us backflush defined OPs
extensively) - under your scenario backflush OPs 1 thru 6 do not
backflush upon rptg qty (or time & qty) of OP 7. They will backflush
upon inventory receipt of the job (or, if a Make Direct job - upon
addition to a shipping pending Pack ID).

Rob

--- Original Message ---
From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >
Sent:Wed 6/2/10 9:20 am
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
Subj:RE: [Vantage] Booking ops off

You can backflush, but you would have to still use Labor Entry.

Basically if you had 10 ops and you did not want to clock in and out on
the first 7, you would record on op 7 and the system would record the
labor automatically on the first 7 ops.

On the operation itself, you have 3 options to record labor. The field
is called Labor Entry (not to be confused with the screen Labor Entry).
You can pick either backflush, quantity only, or time and quantity.

So in my scenario the first 6 ops would be the backflush option, the 7th
op would be quantity only, and then the rest would be time and quantity.
You would record quantity on op 7 and the system will record the labor
time for the first 7 ops automatically.

But there are two hitches with this: 1) You cannot have the "time and
quantity" option within the first 7 ops for backflushing to work. 2)
Subcontract ops would have to be at the end of your op list.

M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com>
<mailto:manasa@... <mailto:manasa%40weldcoa.com> >

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of michael.hutcheson@...
<mailto:michael.hutcheson%40rocketmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:47 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Booking ops off

Hello,

Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?

We are using Vantage 8.03.406

Thanks,

Michael

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Ok, thanks for this. So 'backflushing' is the way forward? We have never used this before.


Michael

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, robertb_versa@... wrote:
>
> Slight clarification Manessa (as we us backflush defined OPs extensively) - under your scenario backflush OPs 1 thru 6 do not backflush upon rptg qty (or time & qty) of OP 7. They will backflush upon inventory receipt of the job (or, if a Make Direct job - upon addition to a shipping pending Pack ID).
>
> Rob
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...>
> Sent:Wed 6/2/10 9:20 am
> To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Subj:RE: [Vantage] Booking ops off
>
> You can backflush, but you would have to still use Labor Entry.
>
>
>
> Basically if you had 10 ops and you did not want to clock in and out on
> the first 7, you would record on op 7 and the system would record the
> labor automatically on the first 7 ops.
>
>
>
> On the operation itself, you have 3 options to record labor. The field
> is called Labor Entry (not to be confused with the screen Labor Entry).
> You can pick either backflush, quantity only, or time and quantity.
>
>
>
> So in my scenario the first 6 ops would be the backflush option, the 7th
> op would be quantity only, and then the rest would be time and quantity.
> You would record quantity on op 7 and the system will record the labor
> time for the first 7 ops automatically.
>
>
>
> But there are two hitches with this: 1) You cannot have the "time and
> quantity" option within the first 7 ops for backflushing to work. 2)
> Subcontract ops would have to be at the end of your op list.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of michael.hutcheson@...
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:47 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Booking ops off
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?
>
> We are using Vantage 8.03.406
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
There is Kan Ban as well, but I could not even tell you how to use this.
And I have no idea if your environment could use it.



You will have to get others to tell you more on this.







M. Manasa Reddy

manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>

800.852.2325

630.806.2000 ofc

630.806.2001 fax

www.weldcoa.com

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of michael.hutcheson@...
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:20 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Booking ops off





Ok, thanks for this. So 'backflushing' is the way forward? We have never
used this before.

Michael

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
robertb_versa@... wrote:
>
> Slight clarification Manessa (as we us backflush defined OPs
extensively) - under your scenario backflush OPs 1 thru 6 do not
backflush upon rptg qty (or time & qty) of OP 7. They will backflush
upon inventory receipt of the job (or, if a Make Direct job - upon
addition to a shipping pending Pack ID).
>
> Rob
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From:"Manasa Reddy" <manasa@...>
> Sent:Wed 6/2/10 9:20 am
> To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subj:RE: [Vantage] Booking ops off
>
> You can backflush, but you would have to still use Labor Entry.
>
>
>
> Basically if you had 10 ops and you did not want to clock in and out
on
> the first 7, you would record on op 7 and the system would record the
> labor automatically on the first 7 ops.
>
>
>
> On the operation itself, you have 3 options to record labor. The field
> is called Labor Entry (not to be confused with the screen Labor
Entry).
> You can pick either backflush, quantity only, or time and quantity.
>
>
>
> So in my scenario the first 6 ops would be the backflush option, the
7th
> op would be quantity only, and then the rest would be time and
quantity.
> You would record quantity on op 7 and the system will record the labor
> time for the first 7 ops automatically.
>
>
>
> But there are two hitches with this: 1) You cannot have the "time and
> quantity" option within the first 7 ops for backflushing to work. 2)
> Subcontract ops would have to be at the end of your op list.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> M. Manasa Reddy
>
> manasa@... <mailto:manasa@...>
>
> 800.852.2325
>
> 630.806.2000 ofc
>
> 630.806.2001 fax
>
> www.weldcoa.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of michael.hutcheson@...
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:47 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Booking ops off
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there a way to book specific ops off without going via Labor Entry?
>
> We are using Vantage 8.03.406
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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