[BULK] RE: Deleting User Accounts?

Last month when I was talking with Ben Nixon he told me you should NEVER
delete user accounts. He has seen deleting user accounts bring a db
down....

Cliff Drumeller
IT Manager
Mass Precision, Inc.
408 786 0348
408 314 7420 cell


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Of Brian W. Spolarich
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BULK] RE: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???
Importance: Low





It's a good idea not to delete accounts, but deactivate them for all of
the reasons mentioned. Windows SIDs might wind up in all sorts of places
(e.g. NTFS permissions), and once the account is deleted, you can't
dereference it anymore.

-bws

--
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Picometrix
bspolarich@...
<mailto:bspolarich%40advancedphotonix.com> ~ 734-864-5618 ~
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???

A long time ago, I used to delete user-accounts from my Windows Active
Directory as a matter of course. When an employee left, I'd disable the
account, wait a month or two to make sure no managers needed any of
their info (specifically from their Exchange mailbox, and then deleted
the account).

I stopped doing this for two main reasons:

1) It makes it a LOT easier to re-configure a new employee/replacement
employee when you can look at the old employee's records (or even copy
the account) to provision the new user with the *exact* same
rights/privileges as the old user.

2) In cases where, like Vantage, transactions are recorded against the
employee record, it *might* cause something to go kablooey. I can't
remember a specific event that ever *has* caused something to happen,
but there exists the possibility and it really costs nothing to keep an
account disabled but available if needed.

A third reason might be to satisfy any SOx/legal compliance regulations,
but I don't have enough experience with that to say how it might be a
factor.

--Ari
________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Tiffany McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???

I was in a session at last year's Perspectives and it was mentioned by
Ben Nixon that a user should never be deleted. They had a few customers
who had deleted a user(s) and found other functions had quit working,
without explanation and the results were random.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Leann Marruffo
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???

Have you run reports that use the info deleted? That would be my
concern- that reports would error out due to the login description no
longer being available. Material transaction detail, part transaction
history tracker- do these still work?
Just a thought.
- leAnn

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-----Original Message-----
From: "David" <dmclaughlin@... <mailto:dmclaughlin%40psemi.com>
<mailto:dmclaughlin%40psemi.com>
<mailto:dmclaughlin%40psemi.com>>

Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:33:45
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???

I went on my test machine and deleted an ex accounting person who had
plenty of transactions.... I just hit the red X, answered OK to the "are
you sure?" question, and the userID was gone...

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Brad Ebright <bebright@...> wrote:
>
> I am 99% sure it will not allow you to delete a user if they have
> completed a transaction. Your only option is to disable the user...
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2009, at 8:39 PM, "David" <dmclaughlin@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is there any technical issue that I should consider before deleting
> > user accounts? (I understand they would be permanently gone)
> >
> > I'm talking about user accounts that had performed Vantage
> > transactions in the past, and have since been disabled.
> >
> > Any reason there would be an issue if we deleted these "disabled"
> > users? (ie reports not showing transactions that were associated
> > with the deleted users, etc)
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Is there any technical issue that I should consider before deleting user accounts? (I understand they would be permanently gone)

I'm talking about user accounts that had performed Vantage transactions in the past, and have since been disabled.

Any reason there would be an issue if we deleted these "disabled" users? (ie reports not showing transactions that were associated with the deleted users, etc)

-David
I am 99% sure it will not allow you to delete a user if they have
completed a transaction. Your only option is to disable the user...



On May 22, 2009, at 8:39 PM, "David" <dmclaughlin@...> wrote:

>
>
> Is there any technical issue that I should consider before deleting
> user accounts? (I understand they would be permanently gone)
>
> I'm talking about user accounts that had performed Vantage
> transactions in the past, and have since been disabled.
>
> Any reason there would be an issue if we deleted these "disabled"
> users? (ie reports not showing transactions that were associated
> with the deleted users, etc)
>
> -David
>
>


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I went on my test machine and deleted an ex accounting person who had plenty of transactions.... I just hit the red X, answered OK to the "are you sure?" question, and the userID was gone...

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Brad Ebright <bebright@...> wrote:
>
> I am 99% sure it will not allow you to delete a user if they have
> completed a transaction. Your only option is to disable the user...
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2009, at 8:39 PM, "David" <dmclaughlin@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is there any technical issue that I should consider before deleting
> > user accounts? (I understand they would be permanently gone)
> >
> > I'm talking about user accounts that had performed Vantage
> > transactions in the past, and have since been disabled.
> >
> > Any reason there would be an issue if we deleted these "disabled"
> > users? (ie reports not showing transactions that were associated
> > with the deleted users, etc)
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Hmm...I was wrong. I thought I tried that before...



On May 23, 2009, at 2:33 PM, "David" <dmclaughlin@...> wrote:

>
>
> I went on my test machine and deleted an ex accounting person who
> had plenty of transactions.... I just hit the red X, answered OK to
> the "are you sure?" question, and the userID was gone...
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Brad Ebright <bebright@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am 99% sure it will not allow you to delete a user if they have
> > completed a transaction. Your only option is to disable the user...
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 22, 2009, at 8:39 PM, "David" <dmclaughlin@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there any technical issue that I should consider before
> deleting
> > > user accounts? (I understand they would be permanently gone)
> > >
> > > I'm talking about user accounts that had performed Vantage
> > > transactions in the past, and have since been disabled.
> > >
> > > Any reason there would be an issue if we deleted these "disabled"
> > > users? (ie reports not showing transactions that were associated
> > > with the deleted users, etc)
> > >
> > > -David
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


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Have you run reports that use the info deleted? That would be my concern- that reports would error out due to the login description no longer being available. Material transaction detail, part transaction history tracker- do these still work?
Just a thought.
- leAnn

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "David" <dmclaughlin@...>

Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:33:45
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???


I went on my test machine and deleted an ex accounting person who had plenty of transactions.... I just hit the red X, answered OK to the "are you sure?" question, and the userID was gone...

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Brad Ebright <bebright@...> wrote:
>
> I am 99% sure it will not allow you to delete a user if they have
> completed a transaction. Your only option is to disable the user...
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2009, at 8:39 PM, "David" <dmclaughlin@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is there any technical issue that I should consider before deleting
> > user accounts? (I understand they would be permanently gone)
> >
> > I'm talking about user accounts that had performed Vantage
> > transactions in the past, and have since been disabled.
> >
> > Any reason there would be an issue if we deleted these "disabled"
> > users? (ie reports not showing transactions that were associated
> > with the deleted users, etc)
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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I was in a session at last year's Perspectives and it was mentioned by Ben Nixon that a user should never be deleted. They had a few customers who had deleted a user(s) and found other functions had quit working, without explanation and the results were random.


From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leann Marruffo
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???





Have you run reports that use the info deleted? That would be my concern- that reports would error out due to the login description no longer being available. Material transaction detail, part transaction history tracker- do these still work?
Just a thought.
- leAnn

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "David" <dmclaughlin@...<mailto:dmclaughlin%40psemi.com>>

Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:33:45
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???


I went on my test machine and deleted an ex accounting person who had plenty of transactions.... I just hit the red X, answered OK to the "are you sure?" question, and the userID was gone...

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Brad Ebright <bebright@...> wrote:
>
> I am 99% sure it will not allow you to delete a user if they have
> completed a transaction. Your only option is to disable the user...
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2009, at 8:39 PM, "David" <dmclaughlin@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is there any technical issue that I should consider before deleting
> > user accounts? (I understand they would be permanently gone)
> >
> > I'm talking about user accounts that had performed Vantage
> > transactions in the past, and have since been disabled.
> >
> > Any reason there would be an issue if we deleted these "disabled"
> > users? (ie reports not showing transactions that were associated
> > with the deleted users, etc)
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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A long time ago, I used to delete user-accounts from my Windows Active
Directory as a matter of course. When an employee left, I'd disable the
account, wait a month or two to make sure no managers needed any of
their info (specifically from their Exchange mailbox, and then deleted
the account).

I stopped doing this for two main reasons:

1) It makes it a LOT easier to re-configure a new employee/replacement
employee when you can look at the old employee's records (or even copy
the account) to provision the new user with the *exact* same
rights/privileges as the old user.

2) In cases where, like Vantage, transactions are recorded against the
employee record, it *might* cause something to go kablooey. I can't
remember a specific event that ever *has* caused something to happen,
but there exists the possibility and it really costs nothing to keep an
account disabled but available if needed.

A third reason might be to satisfy any SOx/legal compliance regulations,
but I don't have enough experience with that to say how it might be a
factor.

--Ari
________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tiffany McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???





I was in a session at last year's Perspectives and it was mentioned by
Ben Nixon that a user should never be deleted. They had a few customers
who had deleted a user(s) and found other functions had quit working,
without explanation and the results were random.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Leann Marruffo
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???

Have you run reports that use the info deleted? That would be my
concern- that reports would error out due to the login description no
longer being available. Material transaction detail, part transaction
history tracker- do these still work?
Just a thought.
- leAnn

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "David" <dmclaughlin@... <mailto:dmclaughlin%40psemi.com>
<mailto:dmclaughlin%40psemi.com>>

Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:33:45
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???

I went on my test machine and deleted an ex accounting person who had
plenty of transactions.... I just hit the red X, answered OK to the "are
you sure?" question, and the userID was gone...

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Brad Ebright <bebright@...> wrote:
>
> I am 99% sure it will not allow you to delete a user if they have
> completed a transaction. Your only option is to disable the user...
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2009, at 8:39 PM, "David" <dmclaughlin@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is there any technical issue that I should consider before deleting
> > user accounts? (I understand they would be permanently gone)
> >
> > I'm talking about user accounts that had performed Vantage
> > transactions in the past, and have since been disabled.
> >
> > Any reason there would be an issue if we deleted these "disabled"
> > users? (ie reports not showing transactions that were associated
> > with the deleted users, etc)
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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It's a good idea not to delete accounts, but deactivate them for all of the reasons mentioned. Windows SIDs might wind up in all sorts of places (e.g. NTFS permissions), and once the account is deleted, you can't dereference it anymore.

-bws

--
Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix / Picometrix
    bspolarich@... ~ 734-864-5618 ~ www.advancedphotonix.com


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ari Footlik
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:11 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???

A long time ago, I used to delete user-accounts from my Windows Active
Directory as a matter of course. When an employee left, I'd disable the
account, wait a month or two to make sure no managers needed any of
their info (specifically from their Exchange mailbox, and then deleted
the account).

I stopped doing this for two main reasons:

1) It makes it a LOT easier to re-configure a new employee/replacement
employee when you can look at the old employee's records (or even copy
the account) to provision the new user with the *exact* same
rights/privileges as the old user.

2) In cases where, like Vantage, transactions are recorded against the
employee record, it *might* cause something to go kablooey. I can't
remember a specific event that ever *has* caused something to happen,
but there exists the possibility and it really costs nothing to keep an
account disabled but available if needed.

A third reason might be to satisfy any SOx/legal compliance regulations,
but I don't have enough experience with that to say how it might be a
factor.

--Ari
________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tiffany McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???





I was in a session at last year's Perspectives and it was mentioned by
Ben Nixon that a user should never be deleted. They had a few customers
who had deleted a user(s) and found other functions had quit working,
without explanation and the results were random.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Leann Marruffo
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:48 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???

Have you run reports that use the info deleted? That would be my
concern- that reports would error out due to the login description no
longer being available. Material transaction detail, part transaction
history tracker- do these still work?
Just a thought.
- leAnn

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "David" <dmclaughlin@... <mailto:dmclaughlin%40psemi.com>
<mailto:dmclaughlin%40psemi.com>>

Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:33:45
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Deleting User Accounts???

I went on my test machine and deleted an ex accounting person who had
plenty of transactions.... I just hit the red X, answered OK to the "are
you sure?" question, and the userID was gone...

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Brad Ebright <bebright@...> wrote:
>
> I am 99% sure it will not allow you to delete a user if they have
> completed a transaction. Your only option is to disable the user...
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2009, at 8:39 PM, "David" <dmclaughlin@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is there any technical issue that I should consider before deleting
> > user accounts? (I understand they would be permanently gone)
> >
> > I'm talking about user accounts that had performed Vantage
> > transactions in the past, and have since been disabled.
> >
> > Any reason there would be an issue if we deleted these "disabled"
> > users? (ie reports not showing transactions that were associated
> > with the deleted users, etc)
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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