[BULK] RE: Remote Location

system · June 17, 2009, 12:06pm

Latency and VPN. In my experience anything over a 125 ping time the VPN
will breakdown, intermittently drop.

I use terminal server over a dedicated point to point T1 with excellent
results. I'm only going 8 miles.

Approx 25 V8 or E9 users per 4 GB of ram on your terminal server per Ben
Nixon.

Cliff Drumeller
IT Manager
Mass Precision, Inc.
408 786 0348
408 314 7420 cell

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Subject: [BULK] RE: [Vantage] Remote Location
Importance: Low

If both sites have an Internet connection and have sufficient bandwidth
then there's no reason that an Internet VPN wouldn't be acceptable.

I would strongly suggest deploying Vantage over Citrix or plain old
Terminal Services vs. doing local desktop client deployments at the
remote site. If you have problems Epicor will say 'its your network' and
you're kind of stuck. Vantage's OpenEdge network stack doesn't deal well
with any packet loss, etc.

In order to determine what you need you'll need to take into
consideration:

- Is network bandwidth sufficient to accommodate the Citrix or RDP
sessions? Conventional wisdom says that Citrix sessions take about
20kbps/session, Remote Desktop (RDP) more like 30kpbs.

- Is the latency (delay) between the two sites sufficient to accommodate
remote sessions? Is the latency stable, or does it spike? Anything over
200ms will be considered pretty "slow" to your users. With 60 miles
geographic distance you should be more like 20-50ms depending on whether
you're on the same ISP network, same geographic POP, etc.

- Is there any packet loss between the two sites?

A dedicated T1 would be the "best" solution in terms of providing
predictable bandwidth and performance, but depending on how
cost-sensitive you are, and if you already have T1 or similar internet
connectivity at each site, an IP-based VPN may work just fine.

-bws

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Picometrix
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www.advancedphotonix.com

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Subject: [Vantage] Remote Location

Hello Group

I need your advice. My company merged with another and they are about 60
miles apart. They want to share Vantage, and our version is 8.03.305L.

How do you deal such distance? Should I get a dedicated T1 or is there
another approach?

Thank you,

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system · June 17, 2009, 8:31am

Hello Group

I need your advice. My company merged with another and they are about 60 miles apart. They want to share Vantage, and our version is 8.03.305L.

How do you deal such distance? Should I get a dedicated T1 or is there another approach?

Thank you,

system · June 17, 2009, 9:22am

If both sites have an Internet connection and have sufficient bandwidth then there's no reason that an Internet VPN wouldn't be acceptable.

I would strongly suggest deploying Vantage over Citrix or plain old Terminal Services vs. doing local desktop client deployments at the remote site. If you have problems Epicor will say 'its your network' and you're kind of stuck. Vantage's OpenEdge network stack doesn't deal well with any packet loss, etc.

In order to determine what you need you'll need to take into consideration:

- Is network bandwidth sufficient to accommodate the Citrix or RDP sessions? Conventional wisdom says that Citrix sessions take about 20kbps/session, Remote Desktop (RDP) more like 30kpbs.

- Is the latency (delay) between the two sites sufficient to accommodate remote sessions? Is the latency stable, or does it spike? Anything over 200ms will be considered pretty "slow" to your users. With 60 miles geographic distance you should be more like 20-50ms depending on whether you're on the same ISP network, same geographic POP, etc.

- Is there any packet loss between the two sites?

A dedicated T1 would be the "best" solution in terms of providing predictable bandwidth and performance, but depending on how cost-sensitive you are, and if you already have T1 or similar internet connectivity at each site, an IP-based VPN may work just fine.

-bws

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-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of abcdefgsaga
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:32 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Remote Location

Hello Group

I need your advice. My company merged with another and they are about 60 miles apart. They want to share Vantage, and our version is 8.03.305L.

How do you deal such distance? Should I get a dedicated T1 or is there another approach?

Thank you,

------------------------------------

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system · June 17, 2009, 11:40am

Brian, thanks for your feedback.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Brian W. Spolarich " <bspolarich@...> wrote:
>
> If both sites have an Internet connection and have sufficient bandwidth then there's no reason that an Internet VPN wouldn't be acceptable.
>
> I would strongly suggest deploying Vantage over Citrix or plain old Terminal Services vs. doing local desktop client deployments at the remote site. If you have problems Epicor will say 'its your network' and you're kind of stuck. Vantage's OpenEdge network stack doesn't deal well with any packet loss, etc.
>
> In order to determine what you need you'll need to take into consideration:
>
> - Is network bandwidth sufficient to accommodate the Citrix or RDP sessions? Conventional wisdom says that Citrix sessions take about 20kbps/session, Remote Desktop (RDP) more like 30kpbs.
>
> - Is the latency (delay) between the two sites sufficient to accommodate remote sessions? Is the latency stable, or does it spike? Anything over 200ms will be considered pretty "slow" to your users. With 60 miles geographic distance you should be more like 20-50ms depending on whether you're on the same ISP network, same geographic POP, etc.
>
> - Is there any packet loss between the two sites?
>
> A dedicated T1 would be the "best" solution in terms of providing predictable bandwidth and performance, but depending on how cost-sensitive you are, and if you already have T1 or similar internet connectivity at each site, an IP-based VPN may work just fine.
>
> -bws
>
> --
> Brian W. Spolarich ~ Manager, Information Services ~ Advanced Photonix / Picometrix
> Â Â Â Â bspolarich@... ~ 734-864-5618 ~ www.advancedphotonix.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of abcdefgsaga
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:32 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Remote Location
>
> Hello Group
>
> I need your advice. My company merged with another and they are about 60 miles apart. They want to share Vantage, and our version is 8.03.305L.
>
> How do you deal such distance? Should I get a dedicated T1 or is there another approach?
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>

system · June 17, 2009, 11:53am

With the release of W2k8 terminal server, you can now use the published app feature. We use this internally and I have to admit, it works great. I was skeptical at first, but it runs just like a normal client, but is much faster...oh yeah, updates are a breeze too.

Jason Claggett
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
MCP #3856159
2W Technologies, LLC
312.533.4033 x8039
jason@...<mailto:jason@...>

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