> Those at Caesars got Internet that did not work very well in their roomfor 11.95 per day.
> I ended up complaining and they refunded my Internet fees.While I didn't go, my manager did and told me about this. I was quite
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Hofert" <todd@s...> wrote:
>
> That was my assumption as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Robert Kula
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:00 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] How was Perspectives
>
> Ever since Harrah's bought them out.
>
> _____
>
> From: Todd Hofert [mailto:todd@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:38 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] How was Perspectives
>
>
> Those at Caesars got Internet that did not work very well in their
room
> for 11.95 per day. I ended up complaining and they refunded my
Internet
> fees.
>
> All in all I was kind of disappointed with the service as a whole at
> Caesars. I have been there on several occasions in the past and had
> become used to a very high level of service. That level of service
is no
> longer there in my opinion.
>
> Todd Hofert
> IT Director
> Spartan Graphics, Inc.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Comeau, Steven
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] How was Perspectives
>
> Because I signed up late, I didn't get to stay at the luxurious
Caesars,
> but at the Flamingo ($100/night wasn't bad, but my room sucked but
my
> CFO got a huge upgrade - guess it pays to wear a tie at the
reception
> desk). I was thinking that to reduce the lines at the available
PCs,
> Epicor should contract with Caesar's (or whoever) next year and have
> Perspective Attendees get free Internet in their room (again, since
I
> wasn't there, I don't know what those at Caesars got).
>
> Steven Comeau
> Manager of Corporate IT Systems
> Main Tape
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
> 1-800-526-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:12 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] How was Perspectives
>
>
>
> Sorry - it's been a mad house at work since returning. I think I
posted
> a brief recap in another topic thread previously but here are some
other
> comments...
>
> 1. There was much more emphasis on labs and the lab rooms were much
> larger (with more PCs). Labs also were scheduled on Sunday
afternoon so
> this effectively expanded the conference to 3-1/2 days (4 if you
> golfed). Maybe it was just because I was more interested in them
but
> there seemed to be an emphasis on labs for dashboards,
customization and
> personalization in 8.0.
>
> 2. The "lab" or just plain general session I most wanted to see but
did
> not was on the basic "mechanics" of 8.0. The underlying
architecture
> and administration details. I would really like to learn more
about how
> it all works, which software components do what and some "best
> practices" tips. This sort of detail was missing from the agenda.
>
> 3. The migration steps for getting from 6.1 to 8.0 were the same old
> story. Very light on details and 7 of the 8 steps seemed to
be "hire an
> Epicor consultant". What exactly would "schedule resource for
> installation" mean other than hire them to install it? Actually the
push
> to use consulting was toned down a bit but from what I was hearing
from
> people doing it on your own is still like a journey in the dark -
you're
> on your own. My biggest gripe was that there was not a session for
step
> by step guidance on installing 8.0 on a test server (see #2 above).
>
> 4. There was a lot of verbal confusion about Crystal Xi (special
Epicor
> version) and XI (as in roman numeral 11) which would be Crystal
11. I
> might be wrong but my impression was 8.0 uses Crystal 10 (not 11)
and
> that Xi is 10 with adaptations (and pricing) for Vantage 8.0.
Still I
> heard many people talking about Crystal 11 too - was it just me or
were
> they too confused? I never did see a session on what exactly
Crystal Xi
> is (see #2 above).
>
> 5. Another bit of confusion (maybe just me) was about the
difference in
> how the workstation interacts with the server. My gut feeling (all
I
> have because this was not explained well anywhere) is that all the
> visible stuff is generated on the workstation saving bandwidth for
the
> data that fills in the blanks -AND- that all the selected data
> (sometimes how much is up to the user) is shoveled off to the
> workstation for processing then transactions for updates are sent
back
> to the DB. Thus, if you do as in 6.1 and earlier and "select all"
you
> are going to severely impact performance. I'm not sure if I am
right
> about this because there was no good explanation of the interaction
> between workstation and server (see #2 above).
>
> 6. I was hugely impressed (and a little frightened) by the depth to
> which the UI can be customized - in particular what a person
skilled in
> VB.net can do. A really nice feature...saving multiple
customizations
> and allowing them to be "exported". The Yahoo Group is going to
need a
> much larger upload area.
>
> 7. The general sessions were OK for getting background info on
Epicor
> and "the state of the company" - which I like to monitor so I know
they
> will be around for awhile - but at least this year they were much
> shorter. There was some mention in the Vantage/Vista general
session
> about a roadmap of future versions (like 8.05) but these were really
> light on content and specific changes between versions.
>
> 8. The food lines at lunch were really long - way too long. When 20
> sessions let out all at once it does not make a lot of sense to keep
> half the lines closed waiting for people to come later while 50 or
more
> people are queued up at the few serving lines that are open. On
top of
> which the few that are open end up depleted and people are waiting
for
> restocking making the lines that much longer while perfectly good
food
> is waiting in the closed lines. My gripe here is that I wanted to
get
> in, eat, talk with tablemates, get out and visit hall of solutions
and
> vendor pavilion area (one in the same) before the afternoon sessions
> started.
>
> 9. It was really nice they had the PCs for checking email outside
the
> exhibit area and available for longer hours. But there were only
10 and
> the lines were long. Not sure if this was demand related or if it
was
> because those using them seemed to tie them up a long time (mostly
while
> trying to type while also on cell phones). Perhaps they need a sign
> encouraging speed if people are waiting....or those timers they use
for
> chess matches.
>
> Cliff, for your specific questions on T1 links and document linking
for
> Part file info (within Job and Part tracker) I was not able to find
info
> on but my sense from other conversations there as well as info here
on
> the board is that 10 users at the other end of a T1 will not be a
big
> problem and if the document linking is not there as promised then
> customization will be able to do the trick. So I don't see any show
> stoppers in 8.0 for these issues.
>
> All in all it was still a very worthwhile conference even if I came
away
> with more questions than I left with. I did gain a lot of insight
into
> customization potential and how this will impact my investigation
for
> upgrading. The result of the 8.0 info I obtained (and from
comments on
> this group) is that we are delaying our upgrade investigation by a
few
> more months and won't attempt a test server to play around with 8.0
> until after the start of 2006. This would push a "go live" date
into
> mid-2007 for us. So....I will have one more Perspectives for them
to
> address the "mechanics" questions ( see #2 above ;) ) if I still
have
> them then.
>
> I did not attend the party Tuesday night (again). It is really
hard to
> justify $75 for my wife to attend with me. We decided early on
that for
> us that $75 was better spent checking out the Star Trek Experience
at
> the LV Hilton (now a short monorail ride from the Flamingo). My 2
> cents....it was worth it once (barely) if you are a trekkie and can
> devote the time to read all of the displays and look at the
exhibits but
> the two shows alone are not worth the full price. They also need to
> update the whole experience - especially place the ship consoles
with
> LCD screens and "real" interactive screens tied into the "story".
Now
> that we've been there and done that....once was OK but I would not
do it
> again for that price.
>
> Question for other attendees who had spouse/guest attend with them
and
> got the full meal/party guest pass.....did they have tables at lunch
> designated for "guests" so spouses would not have to sit and listen
to
> discussion of manufacturing and computers? My wife's biggest worry
> about the guest package was having to endure boring computer talk at
> lunch.
>
> -Todd C.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of Cliff Drumeller
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:52 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] How was Perspectives
>
>
> How about a recap of Perspectives all you Perspectives goers. I
haven't
> seen any chatter about How Great or worthless it was... Did they
make
> you sign an NDR ??
>
> Cliff Drumeller
> IT Manager
> Mass Precision Sheetmetal, Inc.
> 408 954 0200 ex 217
> 408 314 7420 cell
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
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>
>
>
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> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
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--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Hofert" <todd@s...> wrote:
>
> That was my assumption as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Robert Kula
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:00 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] How was Perspectives
>
> Ever since Harrah's bought them out.
>
> _____
>
> From: Todd Hofert [mailto:todd@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:38 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] How was Perspectives
>
>
> Those at Caesars got Internet that did not work very well in their
room
> for 11.95 per day. I ended up complaining and they refunded my
Internet
> fees.
>
> All in all I was kind of disappointed with the service as a whole at
> Caesars. I have been there on several occasions in the past and had
> become used to a very high level of service. That level of service
is no
> longer there in my opinion.
>
> Todd Hofert
> IT Director
> Spartan Graphics, Inc.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Comeau, Steven
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:24 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] How was Perspectives
>
> Because I signed up late, I didn't get to stay at the luxurious
Caesars,
> but at the Flamingo ($100/night wasn't bad, but my room sucked but
my
> CFO got a huge upgrade - guess it pays to wear a tie at the
reception
> desk). I was thinking that to reduce the lines at the available
PCs,
> Epicor should contract with Caesar's (or whoever) next year and have
> Perspective Attendees get free Internet in their room (again, since
I
> wasn't there, I don't know what those at Caesars got).
>
> Steven Comeau
> Manager of Corporate IT Systems
> Main Tape
> 1 Capital Drive, Suite 101
> Cranbury, NJ 08512
> 1-800-526-8273 x332
>
> _____
>
> From: Todd Caughey [mailto:caugheyt@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:12 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] How was Perspectives
>
>
>
> Sorry - it's been a mad house at work since returning. I think I
posted
> a brief recap in another topic thread previously but here are some
other
> comments...
>
> 1. There was much more emphasis on labs and the lab rooms were much
> larger (with more PCs). Labs also were scheduled on Sunday
afternoon so
> this effectively expanded the conference to 3-1/2 days (4 if you
> golfed). Maybe it was just because I was more interested in them
but
> there seemed to be an emphasis on labs for dashboards,
customization and
> personalization in 8.0.
>
> 2. The "lab" or just plain general session I most wanted to see but
did
> not was on the basic "mechanics" of 8.0. The underlying
architecture
> and administration details. I would really like to learn more
about how
> it all works, which software components do what and some "best
> practices" tips. This sort of detail was missing from the agenda.
>
> 3. The migration steps for getting from 6.1 to 8.0 were the same old
> story. Very light on details and 7 of the 8 steps seemed to
be "hire an
> Epicor consultant". What exactly would "schedule resource for
> installation" mean other than hire them to install it? Actually the
push
> to use consulting was toned down a bit but from what I was hearing
from
> people doing it on your own is still like a journey in the dark -
you're
> on your own. My biggest gripe was that there was not a session for
step
> by step guidance on installing 8.0 on a test server (see #2 above).
>
> 4. There was a lot of verbal confusion about Crystal Xi (special
Epicor
> version) and XI (as in roman numeral 11) which would be Crystal
11. I
> might be wrong but my impression was 8.0 uses Crystal 10 (not 11)
and
> that Xi is 10 with adaptations (and pricing) for Vantage 8.0.
Still I
> heard many people talking about Crystal 11 too - was it just me or
were
> they too confused? I never did see a session on what exactly
Crystal Xi
> is (see #2 above).
>
> 5. Another bit of confusion (maybe just me) was about the
difference in
> how the workstation interacts with the server. My gut feeling (all
I
> have because this was not explained well anywhere) is that all the
> visible stuff is generated on the workstation saving bandwidth for
the
> data that fills in the blanks -AND- that all the selected data
> (sometimes how much is up to the user) is shoveled off to the
> workstation for processing then transactions for updates are sent
back
> to the DB. Thus, if you do as in 6.1 and earlier and "select all"
you
> are going to severely impact performance. I'm not sure if I am
right
> about this because there was no good explanation of the interaction
> between workstation and server (see #2 above).
>
> 6. I was hugely impressed (and a little frightened) by the depth to
> which the UI can be customized - in particular what a person
skilled in
> VB.net can do. A really nice feature...saving multiple
customizations
> and allowing them to be "exported". The Yahoo Group is going to
need a
> much larger upload area.
>
> 7. The general sessions were OK for getting background info on
Epicor
> and "the state of the company" - which I like to monitor so I know
they
> will be around for awhile - but at least this year they were much
> shorter. There was some mention in the Vantage/Vista general
session
> about a roadmap of future versions (like 8.05) but these were really
> light on content and specific changes between versions.
>
> 8. The food lines at lunch were really long - way too long. When 20
> sessions let out all at once it does not make a lot of sense to keep
> half the lines closed waiting for people to come later while 50 or
more
> people are queued up at the few serving lines that are open. On
top of
> which the few that are open end up depleted and people are waiting
for
> restocking making the lines that much longer while perfectly good
food
> is waiting in the closed lines. My gripe here is that I wanted to
get
> in, eat, talk with tablemates, get out and visit hall of solutions
and
> vendor pavilion area (one in the same) before the afternoon sessions
> started.
>
> 9. It was really nice they had the PCs for checking email outside
the
> exhibit area and available for longer hours. But there were only
10 and
> the lines were long. Not sure if this was demand related or if it
was
> because those using them seemed to tie them up a long time (mostly
while
> trying to type while also on cell phones). Perhaps they need a sign
> encouraging speed if people are waiting....or those timers they use
for
> chess matches.
>
> Cliff, for your specific questions on T1 links and document linking
for
> Part file info (within Job and Part tracker) I was not able to find
info
> on but my sense from other conversations there as well as info here
on
> the board is that 10 users at the other end of a T1 will not be a
big
> problem and if the document linking is not there as promised then
> customization will be able to do the trick. So I don't see any show
> stoppers in 8.0 for these issues.
>
> All in all it was still a very worthwhile conference even if I came
away
> with more questions than I left with. I did gain a lot of insight
into
> customization potential and how this will impact my investigation
for
> upgrading. The result of the 8.0 info I obtained (and from
comments on
> this group) is that we are delaying our upgrade investigation by a
few
> more months and won't attempt a test server to play around with 8.0
> until after the start of 2006. This would push a "go live" date
into
> mid-2007 for us. So....I will have one more Perspectives for them
to
> address the "mechanics" questions ( see #2 above ;) ) if I still
have
> them then.
>
> I did not attend the party Tuesday night (again). It is really
hard to
> justify $75 for my wife to attend with me. We decided early on
that for
> us that $75 was better spent checking out the Star Trek Experience
at
> the LV Hilton (now a short monorail ride from the Flamingo). My 2
> cents....it was worth it once (barely) if you are a trekkie and can
> devote the time to read all of the displays and look at the
exhibits but
> the two shows alone are not worth the full price. They also need to
> update the whole experience - especially place the ship consoles
with
> LCD screens and "real" interactive screens tied into the "story".
Now
> that we've been there and done that....once was OK but I would not
do it
> again for that price.
>
> Question for other attendees who had spouse/guest attend with them
and
> got the full meal/party guest pass.....did they have tables at lunch
> designated for "guests" so spouses would not have to sit and listen
to
> discussion of manufacturing and computers? My wife's biggest worry
> about the guest package was having to endure boring computer talk at
> lunch.
>
> -Todd C.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of Cliff Drumeller
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:52 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] How was Perspectives
>
>
> How about a recap of Perspectives all you Perspectives goers. I
haven't
> seen any chatter about How Great or worthless it was... Did they
make
> you sign an NDR ??
>
> Cliff Drumeller
> IT Manager
> Mass Precision Sheetmetal, Inc.
> 408 954 0200 ex 217
> 408 314 7420 cell
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable
access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
>
> _____
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>
>
> * Visit your group "vantage
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> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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