Job creation. 2 finished parts

Rob,

Why not setup the 'standard' items with methods of manufacturing, and then select them in product configurator as subassemblies. Then, MRP or manually, you could gather up all of the demand into a single job. Close the jobs to inventory, and then either backflush or manually issue those subassemblies to your final job assembly for the finished item?

Jeff Glaze
I'm looking to create a job that creates two finished parts. I've used Salvage in the past but this is not exactly what I'm looking for. I need to break down the job cost of both finished part.

Does anyone have any ideas on how this can be done?
Have you tried job parts?

If my memory serves me correctly:
It is set up in which there is a main component, but in the end there are
two components.
During completion, the user would enter how many of each were made.
The costs are estimated on how you set up the job (what percentage of
material goes to which component, etc.)
The actuals occur when the user enters the quantity.

It has been a long time since I've played with this, but the function has
been around a long time.

Good luck,

Belinda

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Rupert <r.oo@...> wrote:

>
>
> I'm looking to create a job that creates two finished parts. I've used
> Salvage in the past but this is not exactly what I'm looking for. I need to
> break down the job cost of both finished part.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on how this can be done?
>
>
>



--
Belinda Hannah, CPIM
Dayton, Ohio


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tried this, but the costs go entirely to the first part :(


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Belinda H <bshannah1@...> wrote:
>
> Have you tried job parts?
>
> If my memory serves me correctly:
> It is set up in which there is a main component, but in the end there are
> two components.
> During completion, the user would enter how many of each were made.
> The costs are estimated on how you set up the job (what percentage of
> material goes to which component, etc.)
> The actuals occur when the user enters the quantity.
>
> It has been a long time since I've played with this, but the function has
> been around a long time.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Belinda
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Rupert <r.oo@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm looking to create a job that creates two finished parts. I've used
> > Salvage in the past but this is not exactly what I'm looking for. I need to
> > break down the job cost of both finished part.
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas on how this can be done?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Belinda Hannah, CPIM
> Dayton, Ohio
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
If you have "Advanced Production", use the co-make capability.


You use the Job Parts sheet to enter the multiple
parts that will be manufactured through the
current job. This sheet is available if the
<file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\AdvTopAdvProd.htm>Advanced
Production module is installed.

The Demand Summary, Make to Stock, Make to Order,
and Make to Job sheets will only display records
of the current part selected on the Job Part grid.

The help information in this section is divided
into specific areas; click on a link below to advance to a specific area:

·
<file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\JobEntryJobJobPart.htm#Primary#Primary>Primary
Part

·
<file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\JobEntryJobJobPart.htm#Yield#Yield>Yield
Per

·
<file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\JobEntryJobJobPart.htm#Cost#Cost>Cost
Factors


Primary Part

To set up a job with multiple parts, you first
define the primary part that is being
manufactured on the job. This part record
provides the default settings for the other
parts; for example, the primary part defines the
jobÂ’s overall product group and production standard.

Production Standard – An estimate of the
production time required to complete an
operation. You can enter your standards in time
per piece, pieces per unit of time, number of
operations per unit of time, or in total time.

Product Group – These groups classify the
different types of parts you sell. These
classifications are used for your General Ledger and sales analysis.

When you have selected the primary part for a
job, you can add as many additional parts, called
job parts, to the job that you need. You can then
edit each part on the Job Part Detail sheet or on the Job Part List sheet.



Yield Per

For each job part, you use the Yield Per field to
define how many parts will be made when one
quantity of the primary part is manufactured.

The total part quantities produced is calculated
by multiplying each job partÂ’s Yield Per value
against the primary partÂ’s quantity.

Job Part Quantity = Primary Part Quantity x Yield Per

Total Part Quantity = Primary Part Quantity + Job
Part Quantity 1 + Job Part Quantity 2 + Job Part Quantity 3 and so onÂ…

Example: You run a molding operation that can
manufacture Part A, B, C, D at the same time. To
record this within Job Entry, you create Job
1234. You select Part A for the primary part;
this part also defines the product group that
will be used to classify the job. For every one
Part A manufactured, the job will make two Part B
and two Part C quantities. It will also make 3
Part D quantities. You enter these Yield Per values for each respective part.

The jobÂ’s Production Standard is 10 pieces per
hour. 20 pieces are needed on the job. The total
quantities produced through this job are:

-Part A – 20
-Part B – 40
-Part C – 40
-Part D – 60


Cost Factors

If you need, you can further define the job costs
by entering values in the Material Cost Factor
and Labor Cost Factor fields. These fields let
you more accurately reflect the costs that each
part will accrue on the job. For example,
increase a partÂ’s Material Cost Factor if the
part uses more material than the primary part.


At 09:03 AM 1/10/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>
>Tried this, but the costs go entirely to the first part :(
>
>--- In
><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com,
>Belinda H <bshannah1@...> wrote:
> >
> > Have you tried job parts?
> >
> > If my memory serves me correctly:
> > It is set up in which there is a main component, but in the end there are
> > two components.
> > During completion, the user would enter how many of each were made.
> > The costs are estimated on how you set up the job (what percentage of
> > material goes to which component, etc.)
> > The actuals occur when the user enters the quantity.
> >
> > It has been a long time since I've played with this, but the function has
> > been around a long time.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Belinda
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Rupert <r.oo@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm looking to create a job that creates two finished parts. I've used
> > > Salvage in the past but this is not exactly
> what I'm looking for. I need to
> > > break down the job cost of both finished part.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any ideas on how this can be done?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Belinda Hannah, CPIM
> > Dayton, Ohio
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

Robert (Bob) Carlson
rcarlson@...
Mobile: 603-883-8093

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hmmmm Advanced Production. That'll be another chunk of cash then :)

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Robert Carlson <rcarlson@...> wrote:
>
> If you have "Advanced Production", use the co-make capability.
>
>
> You use the Job Parts sheet to enter the multiple
> parts that will be manufactured through the
> current job. This sheet is available if the
> <file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\AdvTopAdvProd.htm>Advanced
> Production module is installed.
>
> The Demand Summary, Make to Stock, Make to Order,
> and Make to Job sheets will only display records
> of the current part selected on the Job Part grid.
>
> The help information in this section is divided
> into specific areas; click on a link below to advance to a specific area:
>
> ·
> <file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\JobEntryJobJobPart.htm#Primary#Primary>Primary
> Part
>
> ·
> <file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\JobEntryJobJobPart.htm#Yield#Yield>Yield
> Per
>
> ·
> <file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\JobEntryJobJobPart.htm#Cost#Cost>Cost
> Factors
>
>
> Primary Part
>
> To set up a job with multiple parts, you first
> define the primary part that is being
> manufactured on the job. This part record
> provides the default settings for the other
> parts; for example, the primary part defines the
> job's overall product group and production standard.
>
> Production Standard – An estimate of the
> production time required to complete an
> operation. You can enter your standards in time
> per piece, pieces per unit of time, number of
> operations per unit of time, or in total time.
>
> Product Group – These groups classify the
> different types of parts you sell. These
> classifications are used for your General Ledger and sales analysis.
>
> When you have selected the primary part for a
> job, you can add as many additional parts, called
> job parts, to the job that you need. You can then
> edit each part on the Job Part Detail sheet or on the Job Part List sheet.
>
>
>
> Yield Per
>
> For each job part, you use the Yield Per field to
> define how many parts will be made when one
> quantity of the primary part is manufactured.
>
> The total part quantities produced is calculated
> by multiplying each job part's Yield Per value
> against the primary part's quantity.
>
> Job Part Quantity = Primary Part Quantity x Yield Per
>
> Total Part Quantity = Primary Part Quantity + Job
> Part Quantity 1 + Job Part Quantity 2 + Job Part Quantity 3 and so onÂ…
>
> Example: You run a molding operation that can
> manufacture Part A, B, C, D at the same time. To
> record this within Job Entry, you create Job
> 1234. You select Part A for the primary part;
> this part also defines the product group that
> will be used to classify the job. For every one
> Part A manufactured, the job will make two Part B
> and two Part C quantities. It will also make 3
> Part D quantities. You enter these Yield Per values for each respective part.
>
> The job's Production Standard is 10 pieces per
> hour. 20 pieces are needed on the job. The total
> quantities produced through this job are:
>
> -Part A – 20
> -Part B – 40
> -Part C – 40
> -Part D – 60
>
>
> Cost Factors
>
> If you need, you can further define the job costs
> by entering values in the Material Cost Factor
> and Labor Cost Factor fields. These fields let
> you more accurately reflect the costs that each
> part will accrue on the job. For example,
> increase a part's Material Cost Factor if the
> part uses more material than the primary part.
>
>
> At 09:03 AM 1/10/2011, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >Tried this, but the costs go entirely to the first part :(
> >
> >--- In
> ><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com,
> >Belinda H <bshannah1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Have you tried job parts?
> > >
> > > If my memory serves me correctly:
> > > It is set up in which there is a main component, but in the end there are
> > > two components.
> > > During completion, the user would enter how many of each were made.
> > > The costs are estimated on how you set up the job (what percentage of
> > > material goes to which component, etc.)
> > > The actuals occur when the user enters the quantity.
> > >
> > > It has been a long time since I've played with this, but the function has
> > > been around a long time.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > Belinda
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Rupert <r.oo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking to create a job that creates two finished parts. I've used
> > > > Salvage in the past but this is not exactly
> > what I'm looking for. I need to
> > > > break down the job cost of both finished part.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any ideas on how this can be done?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Belinda Hannah, CPIM
> > > Dayton, Ohio
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Robert (Bob) Carlson
> rcarlson@...
> Mobile: 603-883-8093
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
He may be correct because in order for the Job Parts to collect actual data,
part of the process is to change the 'mode' field during job entry to
"Concurrent", it cannot be left at sequential. Otherwise the job thinks you
do one, then the other. Costs, etc would not be captured properly.
You may need the Advanced Production feature to change the 'mode'.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Rupert <r.oo@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hmmmm Advanced Production. That'll be another chunk of cash then :)
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert Carlson
> <rcarlson@...> wrote:
> >
> > If you have "Advanced Production", use the co-make capability.
> >
> >
> > You use the Job Parts sheet to enter the multiple
> > parts that will be manufactured through the
> > current job. This sheet is available if the
> > <file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\AdvTopAdvProd.htm>Advanced
>
> > Production module is installed.
> >
> > The Demand Summary, Make to Stock, Make to Order,
> > and Make to Job sheets will only display records
> > of the current part selected on the Job Part grid.
> >
> > The help information in this section is divided
> > into specific areas; click on a link below to advance to a specific area:
> >
> > �
> > <file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\JobEntryJobJobPart.htm#Primary#Primary>Primary
>
> > Part
> >
> > �
> > <file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\JobEntryJobJobPart.htm#Yield#Yield>Yield
>
> > Per
> >
> > �
> > <file:///\\fi-srv04\epicor\mfgsys803400\Help\enu\Vantage\Job\JobEntryJobJobPart.htm#Cost#Cost>Cost
>
> > Factors
> >
> >
> > Primary Part
> >
> > To set up a job with multiple parts, you first
> > define the primary part that is being
> > manufactured on the job. This part record
> > provides the default settings for the other
> > parts; for example, the primary part defines the
> > job's overall product group and production standard.
> >
> > Production Standard � An estimate of the
> > production time required to complete an
> > operation. You can enter your standards in time
> > per piece, pieces per unit of time, number of
> > operations per unit of time, or in total time.
> >
> > Product Group � These groups classify the
> > different types of parts you sell. These
> > classifications are used for your General Ledger and sales analysis.
> >
> > When you have selected the primary part for a
> > job, you can add as many additional parts, called
> > job parts, to the job that you need. You can then
> > edit each part on the Job Part Detail sheet or on the Job Part List
> sheet.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yield Per
> >
> > For each job part, you use the Yield Per field to
> > define how many parts will be made when one
> > quantity of the primary part is manufactured.
> >
> > The total part quantities produced is calculated
> > by multiplying each job part's Yield Per value
> > against the primary part's quantity.
> >
> > Job Part Quantity = Primary Part Quantity x Yield Per
> >
> > Total Part Quantity = Primary Part Quantity + Job
> > Part Quantity 1 + Job Part Quantity 2 + Job Part Quantity 3 and so on�
> >
> > Example: You run a molding operation that can
> > manufacture Part A, B, C, D at the same time. To
> > record this within Job Entry, you create Job
> > 1234. You select Part A for the primary part;
> > this part also defines the product group that
> > will be used to classify the job. For every one
> > Part A manufactured, the job will make two Part B
> > and two Part C quantities. It will also make 3
> > Part D quantities. You enter these Yield Per values for each respective
> part.
> >
> > The job's Production Standard is 10 pieces per
> > hour. 20 pieces are needed on the job. The total
> > quantities produced through this job are:
> >
> > -Part A � 20
> > -Part B � 40
> > -Part C � 40
> > -Part D � 60
> >
> >
> > Cost Factors
> >
> > If you need, you can further define the job costs
> > by entering values in the Material Cost Factor
> > and Labor Cost Factor fields. These fields let
> > you more accurately reflect the costs that each
> > part will accrue on the job. For example,
> > increase a part's Material Cost Factor if the
> > part uses more material than the primary part.
> >
> >
> > At 09:03 AM 1/10/2011, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Tried this, but the costs go entirely to the first part :(
> > >
> > >--- In
> > ><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com <vantage%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> vantage@yahoogroups.com <vantage%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > >Belinda H <bshannah1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried job parts?
> > > >
> > > > If my memory serves me correctly:
> > > > It is set up in which there is a main component, but in the end there
> are
> > > > two components.
> > > > During completion, the user would enter how many of each were made.
> > > > The costs are estimated on how you set up the job (what percentage of
> > > > material goes to which component, etc.)
> > > > The actuals occur when the user enters the quantity.
> > > >
> > > > It has been a long time since I've played with this, but the function
> has
> > > > been around a long time.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck,
> > > >
> > > > Belinda
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Rupert <r.oo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm looking to create a job that creates two finished parts. I've
> used
> > > > > Salvage in the past but this is not exactly
> > > what I'm looking for. I need to
> > > > > break down the job cost of both finished part.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone have any ideas on how this can be done?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Belinda Hannah, CPIM
> > > > Dayton, Ohio
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Robert (Bob) Carlson
> > rcarlson@...
>
> > Mobile: 603-883-8093
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



--
Belinda Hannah, CPIM
Dayton, Ohio


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi

As the discussion is already about having 2 parts in on job let me bring up a issue we dealing with.

We are making direct fixtures to orders and the parts and BOM is based on the product configurator.
When we enter a order it could have multiple lines for the same part with different configurations.
Right now every line creates a separate job.
I would like to have all lines linked to same job number since they will be picked and produced together and the benefits are as follows.
The pick list will have all the parts combined.
The issuing of the material will be easier since they are picked together and a lot of material is common to all configuration.
When shipping just one job needs to be closed.

Is there a way to accomplish this?


Ephraim Feldman
Programmer / Analyst
Axis Lighting
The way we use is in "Job Manager.

We merge the different jobs for the same part
into a common job and then link the common job
back to the SO/Lins/Rel job reference.

As an MTO shop we don't have a lot of occasions
to ue this technique. I imagine it could be
quite cumbersome if you had tens of line items all calling for the same part.

Bob Carlson
bcarlson@...


At 09:18 PM 1/10/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>Hi
>
>As the discussion is already about having 2
>parts in on job let me bring up a issue we dealing with.
>
>We are making direct fixtures to orders and the
>parts and BOM is based on the product configurator.
>When we enter a order it could have multiple
>lines for the same part with different configurations.
>Right now every line creates a separate job.
>I would like to have all lines linked to same
>job number since they will be picked and
>produced together and the benefits are as follows.
>The pick list will have all the parts combined.
>The issuing of the material will be easier since
>they are picked together and a lot of material is common to all configuration.
>When shipping just one job needs to be closed.
>
>Is there a way to accomplish this?
>
>Ephraim Feldman
>Programmer / Analyst
>Axis Lighting
>

Robert (Bob) Carlson
rcarlson@...
Mobile: 603-883-8093

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