Purchase one part, but inventory under several part numbers

I've often wished for a more generic utility called the "Disassembly"
tool. This utility would start with a "Get Details"-styled prompt
(from a Job or Method) and then display a list of components. The user
would be able to change the quantity returned for each component (to
eliminate parts that might be destroyed during the assembly process
like seals or rivets) and to specify a target location (bin or job).
The utility would be able to take a part out of inventory or from a
customer return (COGS return account) and it would make the
appropriate inventory/account number entries for each component moved
back into a bin or a job.

Just a thought...

Mark W.
I know I am asking the impossible, but has anyone dealt with or would be willing to relate how they have setup the BOM, MOM, etc. when we purchase a single part "A", but once we receive it, we would like to inventory it as 2 different part numbers, part "AB" and part "AC". In other words, one purchased unit makes a lefthand and righthand part and we want to inventory it has a LH and RH since one subassembly BOM where they are used takes the LH and another requires the RH.

Since the LH and RH subassembly operations aren't produced together it is inefficent to say that each LH/RH takes .5000 of part "A".

I am struggling with how any costs or MRP requirements would flow thru.

This is somewhat the reverse of kitting.

We are on 803.409C.
We would like to be able to do this as well, let me know if you find anything.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rufus" <dshoff72@...> wrote:
>
> I know I am asking the impossible, but has anyone dealt with or would be willing to relate how they have setup the BOM, MOM, etc. when we purchase a single part "A", but once we receive it, we would like to inventory it as 2 different part numbers, part "AB" and part "AC". In other words, one purchased unit makes a lefthand and righthand part and we want to inventory it has a LH and RH since one subassembly BOM where they are used takes the LH and another requires the RH.
>
> Since the LH and RH subassembly operations aren't produced together it is inefficent to say that each LH/RH takes .5000 of part "A".
>
> I am struggling with how any costs or MRP requirements would flow thru.
>
> This is somewhat the reverse of kitting.
>
> We are on 803.409C.
>
Not the cleanest thing in the world, but you can buy the part receive it and
through some customization, create a job which will generate the parts you
need to inventory. Have the job automatically engineer/ close etc..
Should do what you want. Although a bit messy.
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On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:59 AM, cooner_55421 <cooner_55421@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Any chance the vendor will split this up into two parts for you?
>
> If not, just wondering if you can give us a few more details.
>
> >a single part "A"
> Do you have to disassemble part "A" or instead the two components "AB" &
> "AC" are already separated when you receive them?
>
> >Part "AB" and part "AC
> I'm assuming AB and AC are physically different?
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "sbraudrick@..." <sbraudrick@...> wrote:
> >
> > We would like to be able to do this as well, let me know if you find
> anything.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rufus" <dshoff72@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know I am asking the impossible, but has anyone dealt with or would
> be willing to relate how they have setup the BOM, MOM, etc. when we purchase
> a single part "A", but once we receive it, we would like to inventory it as
> 2 different part numbers, part "AB" and part "AC". In other words, one
> purchased unit makes a lefthand and righthand part and we want to inventory
> it has a LH and RH since one subassembly BOM where they are used takes the
> LH and another requires the RH.
> > >
> > > Since the LH and RH subassembly operations aren't produced together it
> is inefficent to say that each LH/RH takes .5000 of part "A".
> > >
> > > I am struggling with how any costs or MRP requirements would flow thru.
> > >
> > > This is somewhat the reverse of kitting.
> > >
> > > We are on 803.409C.
> > >
> >
>
>
>


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In our case, after receiving the parts we create a job, issue the
received parts as material, then receive the RH or LH parts into stock.



Mike Tonoyan / Natel Engr.

mtonoyan@...



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of cooner_55421
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Purchase one part, but inventory under several
part numbers





Any chance the vendor will split this up into two parts for you?

If not, just wondering if you can give us a few more details.

>a single part "A"
Do you have to disassemble part "A" or instead the two components "AB" &
"AC" are already separated when you receive them?

>Part "AB" and part "AC
I'm assuming AB and AC are physically different?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"sbraudrick@..." <sbraudrick@...> wrote:
>
> We would like to be able to do this as well, let me know if you find
anything.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Rufus" <dshoff72@> wrote:
> >
> > I know I am asking the impossible, but has anyone dealt with or
would be willing to relate how they have setup the BOM, MOM, etc. when
we purchase a single part "A", but once we receive it, we would like to
inventory it as 2 different part numbers, part "AB" and part "AC". In
other words, one purchased unit makes a lefthand and righthand part and
we want to inventory it has a LH and RH since one subassembly BOM where
they are used takes the LH and another requires the RH.
> >
> > Since the LH and RH subassembly operations aren't produced together
it is inefficent to say that each LH/RH takes .5000 of part "A".
> >
> > I am struggling with how any costs or MRP requirements would flow
thru.
> >
> > This is somewhat the reverse of kitting.
> >
> > We are on 803.409C.
> >
>




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This is something we have been trying to do for a while. I would be
interested in hearing what others are doing.



Beth Rye

IT Director

CIGNYS





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Rufus
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 3:38 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purchase one part, but inventory under several part
numbers





I know I am asking the impossible, but has anyone dealt with or would be
willing to relate how they have setup the BOM, MOM, etc. when we purchase a
single part "A", but once we receive it, we would like to inventory it as 2
different part numbers, part "AB" and part "AC". In other words, one
purchased unit makes a lefthand and righthand part and we want to inventory
it has a LH and RH since one subassembly BOM where they are used takes the
LH and another requires the RH.

Since the LH and RH subassembly operations aren't produced together it is
inefficent to say that each LH/RH takes .5000 of part "A".

I am struggling with how any costs or MRP requirements would flow thru.

This is somewhat the reverse of kitting.

We are on 803.409C.





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Have you looked into setting your parts "AB" and "AC" up as Phantom parts. It would be a little different then you would want, Inventory would show under part "A".
Basically all you have to do is check the Phantom check box on the AB and AC parts and set up a revision on those parts with A as the material. Then when ever AB or AC is used when you get details it will replace with A.
Not sure if that will help.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rufus" <dshoff72@...> wrote:
>
> I know I am asking the impossible, but has anyone dealt with or would be willing to relate how they have setup the BOM, MOM, etc. when we purchase a single part "A", but once we receive it, we would like to inventory it as 2 different part numbers, part "AB" and part "AC". In other words, one purchased unit makes a lefthand and righthand part and we want to inventory it has a LH and RH since one subassembly BOM where they are used takes the LH and another requires the RH.
>
> Since the LH and RH subassembly operations aren't produced together it is inefficent to say that each LH/RH takes .5000 of part "A".
>
> I am struggling with how any costs or MRP requirements would flow thru.
>
> This is somewhat the reverse of kitting.
>
> We are on 803.409C.
>
Mike's solution is the only sure fire way of handling this (although it requires Std Costing to realy work). To keep it simple, make you 'kit part purchase purchase direct (non stock), process the PO receipt as inspection required as needed & have PO-linked jobs with a single 'stock transform' OP that is flagged for auto-receipt as last OP. (The job would be a multi part job of course to put the individual parts in stock rather than the kit).
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It's a pain as you'd have to preschedule (quasi master schedule using real jobs) - but the auto receipt takes the sting out of it in another business function.

From: Mike Tonoyan <mtonoyan@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Purchase one part, but inventory under several part numbers


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In our case, after receiving the parts we create a job, issue the
received parts as material, then receive the RH or LH parts into stock.

Mike Tonoyan / Natel Engr.

mtonoyan@...

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of cooner_55421
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Purchase one part, but inventory under several
part numbers

Any chance the vendor will split this up into two parts for you?

If not, just wondering if you can give us a few more details.

>a single part "A"
Do you have to disassemble part "A" or instead the two components "AB" &
"AC" are already separated when you receive them?

>Part "AB" and part "AC
I'm assuming AB and AC are physically different?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"sbraudrick@..." <sbraudrick@...> wrote:
>
> We would like to be able to do this as well, let me know if you find
anything.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Rufus" <dshoff72@> wrote:
> >
> > I know I am asking the impossible, but has anyone dealt with or
would be willing to relate how they have setup the BOM, MOM, etc. when
we purchase a single part "A", but once we receive it, we would like to
inventory it as 2 different part numbers, part "AB" and part "AC". In
other words, one purchased unit makes a lefthand and righthand part and
we want to inventory it has a LH and RH since one subassembly BOM where
they are used takes the LH and another requires the RH.
> >
> > Since the LH and RH subassembly operations aren't produced together
it is inefficent to say that each LH/RH takes .5000 of part "A".
> >
> > I am struggling with how any costs or MRP requirements would flow
thru.
> >
> > This is somewhat the reverse of kitting.
> >
> > We are on 803.409C.
> >
>

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It's a shame kanban receipts processing is limited to one end part per job as it would make this idiot proof without custom programming.
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...Perhaps someday they'll enhance it (which would take a major core rewrite) to enable kanban receipts to 'produce' multiple parts in a predefined ratio.

From: Jose Gomez <jose@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Purchase one part, but inventory under several part numbers

Not the cleanest thing in the world, but you can buy the part receive it and
through some customization, create a job which will generate the parts you
need to inventory. Have the job automatically engineer/ close etc..
Should do what you want. Although a bit messy.
*
*
*
*
*Jose C Gomez*
*Software Engineer*
*
*
*checkout my new blog <http://www.usdoingstuff.com> *
*
*T: 904.469.1524 mobile
E: jose@...
http://www.josecgomez.com
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<http://www.josecgomez.com/feed/>
 <http://www.usdoingstuff.com>

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On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:59 AM, cooner_55421 <cooner_55421@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Any chance the vendor will split this up into two parts for you?
>
> If not, just wondering if you can give us a few more details.
>
> >a single part "A"
> Do you have to disassemble part "A" or instead the two components "AB" &
> "AC" are already separated when you receive them?
>
> >Part "AB" and part "AC
> I'm assuming AB and AC are physically different?
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "sbraudrick@..." <sbraudrick@...> wrote:
> >
> > We would like to be able to do this as well, let me know if you find
> anything.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Rufus" <dshoff72@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know I am asking the impossible, but has anyone dealt with or would
> be willing to relate how they have setup the BOM, MOM, etc. when we purchase
> a single part "A", but once we receive it, we would like to inventory it as
> 2 different part numbers, part "AB" and part "AC". In other words, one
> purchased unit makes a lefthand and righthand part and we want to inventory
> it has a LH and RH since one subassembly BOM where they are used takes the
> LH and another requires the RH.
> > >
> > > Since the LH and RH subassembly operations aren't produced together it
> is inefficent to say that each LH/RH takes .5000 of part "A".
> > >
> > > I am struggling with how any costs or MRP requirements would flow thru.
> > >
> > > This is somewhat the reverse of kitting.
> > >
> > > We are on 803.409C.
> > >
> >
>

>


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Thanks for the input thus far. To clarify, we use std costing, and yes, in some cases we have managed to have (force) the vendor into allowing us to purchase under the component part numbers with a cost for each. But being a small customer on some "over the counter" type parts, sometimes the customer isn't right.
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Over the years we have had situations where the parts actually come from the vendor in separate boxes and require no disassembly, but in some cases we have had to disassemble.
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I personally like the idea of a job of some sort which lends some visibility in processing the parts once a PO is received, and since we backflush nearly everything it would seem to work. The idea of some sort of BPM with an informational type of message may be possible when the PO is received for Part A to ensure that a job is created for the components. I would assume that we may be able to add a safety stock to trigger a job.
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Since we need to inventory these components once they are split, I would think the use of a phantom is out.
Thanks for the input and if someone else has a comment or suggestion that would be appreciated.
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I want to say that I appreciate the user's group for allowing discussion for these types of issues.

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Not sure this would work, and if it did you would need a custom report for stock replacement.

How about using Distinct UoM, having 2 uoms as LH & RH or AB/AC and modify the BOM to use the relevant uom.
On receipt you would have to receive 50% as LH and 50% as RH or split them afterwards.

Regards

Wayne



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