Lean Manufacturing and Vantage

Frank,

Okay. We only have one customer who requires us to kanban their
finished goods parts - and we have hard time educating them on
appropriate bin sizes!

We do kanban some subassemblies, where it is not possible to achieve
flow without it.

For raw materials, we're a mixture of kanban, ROP and VMI. We assume
the raw material cost when the invoice is paid, and expense the cost
when a bin is consumed.

have a great day,
john



Frank Zeigafuse wrote:
> We only do vantage kanban receipts for manufactured parts. We have some
> kanban relationships with suppliers for purchased parts but we receive like
> normal.
Hi Group,

Not sure if this is off topic or not...

WPI is in training to start implementing lean manufacturing. One of
the main issues that keep coming up out on the shop floor is data
collection. The employees view the steps they have to make to go to
the data collection stations as a huge waste. Seems they would
rather fill out time cards - takes more time, but fewer steps. Of
course, they don't see the "big picture", how taking away real time
status for me and the management team is a big consideration. I
really don't like the thought of going back to waiting till mid-day
next day to see what was accomplished the day before. The obvious
answer would be to provide more stations, and we are looking into
this, but realistically being a smaller size company, it would not be
feasible to provide enough to make everyone happy! (we currently have
3 for 13 machinists/deburr people)
Another big issue is reducing batch sizes. I would just like to pose
the issue to the group and see if anyone else has tackled these and
other lean manufacturing considerations with respect to Vantage. Any
insights you can give would be greatly appreciated!!

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision, Inc.
425-742-7011 ex 43
diane.rowberry@...
Diane
Are you using Shop Floor licenses for your data collection stations?
The cost about a third as much as full Vantage licenses. They make floor
expansion costs more feasible.
Accurate data collection can be stressed by using work center
efficiency reports.
Cliff

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Diane
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:02 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage


Hi Group,

Not sure if this is off topic or not...

WPI is in training to start implementing lean manufacturing. One of
the main issues that keep coming up out on the shop floor is data
collection. The employees view the steps they have to make to go to
the data collection stations as a huge waste. Seems they would
rather fill out time cards - takes more time, but fewer steps. Of
course, they don't see the "big picture", how taking away real time
status for me and the management team is a big consideration. I
really don't like the thought of going back to waiting till mid-day
next day to see what was accomplished the day before. The obvious
answer would be to provide more stations, and we are looking into
this, but realistically being a smaller size company, it would not be
feasible to provide enough to make everyone happy! (we currently have
3 for 13 machinists/deburr people)
Another big issue is reducing batch sizes. I would just like to pose
the issue to the group and see if anyone else has tackled these and
other lean manufacturing considerations with respect to Vantage. Any
insights you can give would be greatly appreciated!!

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision, Inc.
425-742-7011 ex 43
diane.rowberry@...




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I would guess that everyone hears the same thing. Our machine operators
and material handlers perform all of their own labor tracking as well as
all of their own inventory transactions. When we implemented Vantage in
1997 I heard the same complaints. "Waste of time", "I don't have time
for this I need to run my machine" etc. At that time we carried an
inventory value of about $1.5 million. When we performed our year end
physical count it was not uncommon to be off by $250,000 (our old system
was not real-time). This year our inventory value was $6.1 million and
we had a year end variance of $3000.00. If I were to go to the shop
floor and begin removing PC's I would guess that the factory employees
would not let me out alive. They have become so dependent on being able
to walk up to a PC open part tracker, look for a part and then drive the
hi-lo right to it. They count on the accuracy and they would not be able
to function efficiently without it.

Weather the comments and stick to your plan. It works and they will
eventually see the value.

Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Diane
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage

Hi Group,

Not sure if this is off topic or not...

WPI is in training to start implementing lean manufacturing. One of the
main issues that keep coming up out on the shop floor is data
collection. The employees view the steps they have to make to go to the
data collection stations as a huge waste. Seems they would rather fill
out time cards - takes more time, but fewer steps. Of course, they
don't see the "big picture", how taking away real time status for me and
the management team is a big consideration. I really don't like the
thought of going back to waiting till mid-day next day to see what was
accomplished the day before. The obvious answer would be to provide
more stations, and we are looking into this, but realistically being a
smaller size company, it would not be feasible to provide enough to make
everyone happy! (we currently have
3 for 13 machinists/deburr people)
Another big issue is reducing batch sizes. I would just like to pose
the issue to the group and see if anyone else has tackled these and
other lean manufacturing considerations with respect to Vantage. Any
insights you can give would be greatly appreciated!!

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision, Inc.
425-742-7011 ex 43
diane.rowberry@...




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Diane,
I'll reply "on-list" to your questions that were also sent to me off-list. Partly for group benefit and partly so if I am way off-base the group can "whap me upside the head", for my benefit. ;)

In the post you had dug up where I referenced lean manufacturing I think that is specifically had to do with reduced raw material inventory value. We purchase almost all material on consignment where the vendor stores "their" inventory here and we issue an internal "PO" when we "take it". The vendor then comes and counts regularly and bills us for what we took (and we match our PO's). We forecast demand for specific materials to adjust the amount of vendor inventory available to us ahead of time.

As far as data collection by far the biggest benefit really is the "real time view" of what is happening in the shop. Without out it we would be like the old quote from Marshall Mcluhan about "rapidly driving into the future, eyes fixed on the rearview mirror". Posting job info from time cards is old news. DC also helps verify information and can trigger some alerts to prevent problems ot stop them before they get costly. We have 10 stations for 120 people. There are lots of tricks for speeding the clocking process including bar code readers. On average our press people change jobs only twice a day (some 4-5, some never change all day).

As far as lot sizes....due to setup issues we are going the other way, increasing job runs and storing the "finished WIP" ready to ship to satisfy kanban requests or specific release schedules from the customer. This is mostly driven on the order side not the job or production side. For us (in metal stamping) considerable waste is found in moving tooling in and out of presses (both labor time and risk of quality issues). Also, by running out a reasonably large quantity at one time it makes more sense to expend the effort to create work cells and re-arrange presses for efficiency between operations on a job. In fact we are in the process of arranging the whole plant to streamline WIP movement and this will require moving most of the DC locations as well. One strong control we have on large jobs linked to many small order releases....ironclad PO's from the customer to take the "finished WIP" within 90 days and no job is for more than this amount without another PO.

Hope this helps. If it was not what you were looking for post again.

-Todd C.



-----Original Message-----
From: Diane [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage


Hi Group,

Not sure if this is off topic or not...

WPI is in training to start implementing lean manufacturing. One of
the main issues that keep coming up out on the shop floor is data
collection. The employees view the steps they have to make to go to
the data collection stations as a huge waste. Seems they would
rather fill out time cards - takes more time, but fewer steps. Of
course, they don't see the "big picture", how taking away real time
status for me and the management team is a big consideration. I
really don't like the thought of going back to waiting till mid-day
next day to see what was accomplished the day before. The obvious
answer would be to provide more stations, and we are looking into
this, but realistically being a smaller size company, it would not be
feasible to provide enough to make everyone happy! (we currently have
3 for 13 machinists/deburr people)
Another big issue is reducing batch sizes. I would just like to pose
the issue to the group and see if anyone else has tackled these and
other lean manufacturing considerations with respect to Vantage. Any
insights you can give would be greatly appreciated!!

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision, Inc.
425-742-7011 ex 43
diane.rowberry@...




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Diane,



We are also working on Lean activities. When we started the data
collection process was singled out by our employees as well. They wanted
to return to a job card system to reduce wasted time walking to a
terminal. As management we wanted real time data, so that was not an
option. When we looked at the process we figured it took 3 minutes of
"Walk Time" to get to a terminal. Based on machine rates and the fact
they did this 4-5 times a day on average it became real clear it was
cost effective to put DC stations at the machines. We used Thin
Terminals with our Metaframe/Terminal Services server but you could use
Televideo XP units as well. The payback for use was less than a
year...... this is a no brainer. We have better data and less wasted
time and our operators are happy.



Keith



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Diane
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage



Hi Group,

Not sure if this is off topic or not...

WPI is in training to start implementing lean manufacturing. One of
the main issues that keep coming up out on the shop floor is data
collection. The employees view the steps they have to make to go to
the data collection stations as a huge waste. Seems they would
rather fill out time cards - takes more time, but fewer steps. Of
course, they don't see the "big picture", how taking away real time
status for me and the management team is a big consideration. I
really don't like the thought of going back to waiting till mid-day
next day to see what was accomplished the day before. The obvious
answer would be to provide more stations, and we are looking into
this, but realistically being a smaller size company, it would not be
feasible to provide enough to make everyone happy! (we currently have
3 for 13 machinists/deburr people)
Another big issue is reducing batch sizes. I would just like to pose
the issue to the group and see if anyone else has tackled these and
other lean manufacturing considerations with respect to Vantage. Any
insights you can give would be greatly appreciated!!

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision, Inc.
425-742-7011 ex 43
diane.rowberry@...




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Diane (and the rest of the group),

We turned off Data Collection when we went lean. And we know exactly
what's happening in each line and exactly what is shipping by taking a
walk down the shop floor. Your operators are right, clocking in and out
of each operation is a non-value-added operation. And we found that
collecting that data did not really add anything to our profitability.

Vantage does not lend itself to Lean, and Vantage's KanBan
implementation is a joke. We've implemented a purely visual KanBan
system for raw materials and subassemblies.

Customer orders go right to the appropriate line. For most long-running
products we ship from a small finished goods buffer stock, and replenish
immediately. The keys to this are one-piece flow and quick changeovers.

In any case, Lean can be done. Vantage is an obstacle. Cultural change
is an obstacle. The inability to visualize how it will work (see the
replies to your inquiry for good examples) is an obstacle. But it can
work, and it works very well if your company makes a commitment to do it
completely and to do it right (all elements: one-piece flow, kanban,
5S, tpm, quick changeovers, back office staff, etc).

have fun,
john




Diane wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
> Not sure if this is off topic or not...
>
> WPI is in training to start implementing lean manufacturing.
Other than phantoms BOM's not working kanbans I think it is pretty good. We
have really moved a long way towards pulling instead of pushing.

Frank Zeigafuse
Innovative Office Products
General Manager
Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
Email: fzeigafuse@...

Visit www.one.org to see how the world can be changed one person at a time.



-----Original Message-----
From: John Sage [mailto:list@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:48 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage


Diane (and the rest of the group),

We turned off Data Collection when we went lean. And we know exactly
what's happening in each line and exactly what is shipping by taking a
walk down the shop floor. Your operators are right, clocking in and out
of each operation is a non-value-added operation. And we found that
collecting that data did not really add anything to our profitability.

Vantage does not lend itself to Lean, and Vantage's KanBan
implementation is a joke. We've implemented a purely visual KanBan
system for raw materials and subassemblies.

Customer orders go right to the appropriate line. For most long-running
products we ship from a small finished goods buffer stock, and replenish
immediately. The keys to this are one-piece flow and quick changeovers.

In any case, Lean can be done. Vantage is an obstacle. Cultural change
is an obstacle. The inability to visualize how it will work (see the
replies to your inquiry for good examples) is an obstacle. But it can
work, and it works very well if your company makes a commitment to do it
completely and to do it right (all elements: one-piece flow, kanban,
5S, tpm, quick changeovers, back office staff, etc).

have fun,
john




Diane wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
> Not sure if this is off topic or not...
>
> WPI is in training to start implementing lean manufacturing.




















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Frank,

(speaking from the perspective of Vantage 6.1)

I think the folly in Epicor's approach is continuing to link KanBan
releases to job tickets. If our goal is a visual factory, then the
signals should be visual. An empty bin or skid, whether its a raw
material, a subassembly or a finished good part is the only signal
that's needed. Continuing to use job tickets places us squarely in
batch-mode mentality, which means we're making parts that the customer
has not ordered.

But that said, I can't see much else Epicor can do to support Lean Mfg
with the current Job Management, Data Collection, APS and AMM modules -
they are geared towards batch manufacturing and are not compatible from
a business process perspective with the core Lean principles. For that
reason we've "turned off" a few of our modules, instead focusing our
process refinements in Order Entry, Purchasing, Inventory Management and
Financial Management.

With Vantage 8 I hope to streamline this even further, having access to
the Vantage business rules as programming objects. I can create simple
and straightforward user input forms for necessary in-process
transactions and mfg receipts that will help us gather relevant data for
our longer-cycle parts. At least I hope that version 8 delivers this ;>

have fun,
john



Frank Zeigafuse wrote:
> Other than phantoms BOM's not working kanbans I think it is pretty good. We
> have really moved a long way towards pulling instead of pushing.
>
> Frank Zeigafuse
> Innovative Office Products
> General Manager
> Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
> Email: fzeigafuse@...
>
> Visit www.one.org to see how the world can be changed one person at a time.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Sage [mailto:list@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:48 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage
>
>
> Diane (and the rest of the group),
>
> We turned off Data Collection when we went lean. And we know exactly
> what's happening in each line and exactly what is shipping by taking a
> walk down the shop floor. Your operators are right, clocking in and out
> of each operation is a non-value-added operation. And we found that
> collecting that data did not really add anything to our profitability.
>
> Vantage does not lend itself to Lean, and Vantage's KanBan
> implementation is a joke. We've implemented a purely visual KanBan
> system for raw materials and subassemblies.
>
> Customer orders go right to the appropriate line. For most long-running
> products we ship from a small finished goods buffer stock, and replenish
> immediately. The keys to this are one-piece flow and quick changeovers.
>
> In any case, Lean can be done. Vantage is an obstacle. Cultural change
> is an obstacle. The inability to visualize how it will work (see the
> replies to your inquiry for good examples) is an obstacle. But it can
> work, and it works very well if your company makes a commitment to do it
> completely and to do it right (all elements: one-piece flow, kanban,
> 5S, tpm, quick changeovers, back office staff, etc).
>
> have fun,
> john
>
>
>
>
> Diane wrote:
>
>>Hi Group,
>>
>>Not sure if this is off topic or not...
>>
>>WPI is in training to start implementing lean manufacturing.
Why not use your visual queue and do the kanbans in the background. We do
not use the travelers anymore haven't for almost a year.

Frank Zeigafuse
Innovative Office Products
General Manager
Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
Email: fzeigafuse@...

Visit www.one.org to see how the world can be changed one person at a time.



-----Original Message-----
From: John Sage [mailto:list@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:18 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage


Frank,

(speaking from the perspective of Vantage 6.1)

I think the folly in Epicor's approach is continuing to link KanBan
releases to job tickets. If our goal is a visual factory, then the
signals should be visual. An empty bin or skid, whether its a raw
material, a subassembly or a finished good part is the only signal
that's needed. Continuing to use job tickets places us squarely in
batch-mode mentality, which means we're making parts that the customer
has not ordered.

But that said, I can't see much else Epicor can do to support Lean Mfg
with the current Job Management, Data Collection, APS and AMM modules -
they are geared towards batch manufacturing and are not compatible from
a business process perspective with the core Lean principles. For that
reason we've "turned off" a few of our modules, instead focusing our
process refinements in Order Entry, Purchasing, Inventory Management and
Financial Management.

With Vantage 8 I hope to streamline this even further, having access to
the Vantage business rules as programming objects. I can create simple
and straightforward user input forms for necessary in-process
transactions and mfg receipts that will help us gather relevant data for
our longer-cycle parts. At least I hope that version 8 delivers this ;>

have fun,
john



Frank Zeigafuse wrote:
> Other than phantoms BOM's not working kanbans I think it is pretty
> good. We have really moved a long way towards pulling instead of
> pushing.
>
> Frank Zeigafuse
> Innovative Office Products
> General Manager
> Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
> Email: fzeigafuse@...
>
> Visit www.one.org to see how the world can be changed one person at a
> time.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Sage [mailto:list@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:48 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage
>
>
> Diane (and the rest of the group),
>
> We turned off Data Collection when we went lean. And we know exactly
> what's happening in each line and exactly what is shipping by taking a
> walk down the shop floor. Your operators are right, clocking in and out
> of each operation is a non-value-added operation. And we found that
> collecting that data did not really add anything to our profitability.
>
> Vantage does not lend itself to Lean, and Vantage's KanBan
> implementation is a joke. We've implemented a purely visual KanBan
> system for raw materials and subassemblies.
>
> Customer orders go right to the appropriate line. For most
> long-running
> products we ship from a small finished goods buffer stock, and replenish
> immediately. The keys to this are one-piece flow and quick changeovers.
>
> In any case, Lean can be done. Vantage is an obstacle. Cultural
> change
> is an obstacle. The inability to visualize how it will work (see the
> replies to your inquiry for good examples) is an obstacle. But it can
> work, and it works very well if your company makes a commitment to do it
> completely and to do it right (all elements: one-piece flow, kanban,
> 5S, tpm, quick changeovers, back office staff, etc).
>
> have fun,
> john
>
>
>
>
> Diane wrote:
>
>>Hi Group,
>>
>>Not sure if this is off topic or not...
>>
>>WPI is in training to start implementing lean manufacturing.


















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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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Frank,

> Why not use your visual queue and do the kanbans in the background

To capture costs? Or as a scheduling tool? Currently we capture
rolled-up costs when the finished part is transacted into inventory.
For scheduling, the customer order goes to the manufacturing line and at
the same time is captured in a daily plant-wide demand report (sql to
access to pdf). Or is there a better reason that I'm overlooking?

thanks,
john







Frank Zeigafuse wrote:
> Why not use your visual queue and do the kanbans in the background. We do
> not use the travelers anymore haven't for almost a year.
>
> Frank Zeigafuse
We do the kanban transactions for costs. We do not use vantage for
scheduling

Frank Zeigafuse
Innovative Office Products
General Manager
Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
Email: fzeigafuse@...

Visit www.one.org to see how the world can be changed one person at a time.



-----Original Message-----
From: John Sage [mailto:list@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:07 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage


Frank,

> Why not use your visual queue and do the kanbans in the background

To capture costs? Or as a scheduling tool? Currently we capture
rolled-up costs when the finished part is transacted into inventory.
For scheduling, the customer order goes to the manufacturing line and at
the same time is captured in a daily plant-wide demand report (sql to
access to pdf). Or is there a better reason that I'm overlooking?

thanks,
john







Frank Zeigafuse wrote:
> Why not use your visual queue and do the kanbans in the background.
> We do not use the travelers anymore haven't for almost a year.
>
> Frank Zeigafuse



















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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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Frank,

Which parts do you kanban? Raw materials, subassemblies, finished goods
or all of the above? This is one area we struggled / still struggle with.

thanks,
john



Frank Zeigafuse wrote:
> We do the kanban transactions for costs. We do not use vantage for
> scheduling
>
> Frank Zeigafuse
> Innovative Office Products
> General Manager
> Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
> Email: fzeigafuse@...
>
> Visit www.one.org to see how the world can be changed one person at a time.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Sage [mailto:list@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:07 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage
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> Frank,
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> > Why not use your visual queue and do the kanbans in the background
>
> To capture costs? Or as a scheduling tool? Currently we capture
> rolled-up costs when the finished part is transacted into inventory.
> For scheduling, the customer order goes to the manufacturing line and at
> the same time is captured in a daily plant-wide demand report (sql to
> access to pdf). Or is there a better reason that I'm overlooking?
>
> thanks,
> john
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>
> Frank Zeigafuse wrote:
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>>Why not use your visual queue and do the kanbans in the background.
>>We do not use the travelers anymore haven't for almost a year.
>>
>>Frank Zeigafuse
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> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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We only do vantage kanban receipts for manufactured parts. We have some
kanban relationships with suppliers for purchased parts but we receive like
normal.

Frank Zeigafuse
Innovative Office Products
General Manager
Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
Email: fzeigafuse@...

Visit www.one.org to see how the world can be changed one person at a time.



-----Original Message-----
From: John Sage [mailto:list@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:16 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage


Frank,

Which parts do you kanban? Raw materials, subassemblies, finished goods
or all of the above? This is one area we struggled / still struggle with.

thanks,
john



Frank Zeigafuse wrote:
> We do the kanban transactions for costs. We do not use vantage for
> scheduling
>
> Frank Zeigafuse
> Innovative Office Products
> General Manager
> Direct Phone: 610-559-6369
> Email: fzeigafuse@...
>
> Visit www.one.org to see how the world can be changed one person at a
> time.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Sage [mailto:list@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:07 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing and Vantage
>
>
> Frank,
>
> > Why not use your visual queue and do the kanbans in the background
>
> To capture costs? Or as a scheduling tool? Currently we capture
> rolled-up costs when the finished part is transacted into inventory.
> For scheduling, the customer order goes to the manufacturing line and at
> the same time is captured in a daily plant-wide demand report (sql to
> access to pdf). Or is there a better reason that I'm overlooking?
>
> thanks,
> john
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Frank Zeigafuse wrote:
>
>>Why not use your visual queue and do the kanbans in the background.
>>We do not use the travelers anymore haven't for almost a year.
>>
>>Frank Zeigafuse
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
> )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links