Lean Manufacturing

THX, I will investigate.


Patrick Winter


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron LaPean [mailto:rlapean@...]
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:08 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing

http://www.promodel.com/solutions/m
<http://www.promodel.com/solutions/m&lhome.asp> &lhome.asp

Extra information about a Software Package to do Process Mapping. I
used this to Flow Chart and allow the Software to
calculate the cost and time...then I would make changes (or do a
what -if) and review the time and cost.
Just for information
Ron
PS....Thanks Jeff for your help

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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:22 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
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Extra Note....I remember using a Package called ProcessModel at my
last company and it did a nice job with Process Mapping and Flow Charting.
I have an old copy on my PC at Home....
Ron

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing


Did you purchase any addition stencils or plugins, or just running it out of
the box.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Doris Franco [mailto:dfranco@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:41 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing

Pat,

We are using MS Visio.

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To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing


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This is not the true meaning of lean manufacturing. Lean
manufacturing is improving your process, reducing your cycle times
and other things that you put effort into to reduce costs. All this
process is doing is pushing your responsibilities off onto your
suppliers and let them pay for your inefficiencies.

You can make anything work. It's called "work arounds". Sure you
can find some companies that will be willing to supply you under
these conditions but usually they would have to be in great need of
the business and their ability to continue that relationship may be
in question.

You can make it work by not placing a value on the products when they
come in and valueing them later through inventory cost adjustments.
Defeats the whole purpose of having a good/accurate system. Lots of
manual work. There goes the true meaning of "Lean Manufacturing".
Good luck in properly valueing your jobs/COS properly. Speaking as a
controller, if I was auditing your firm, I would have a problem with
the way you were valueing your inventory and question the correctness.
I agree and more....I would ask you to show value added $$$ at each
operation and handling as the $0.00 material passed through "your hands".

And then I would look for those suppliers when this slow down stops and
they're are not desperate for business and you're left holding a bag of
"worms" after all the work arounds of twisting sound business practices
around.

Just my $0.02 worth (value added).
Steve Lemois
TMS, Inc.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dlhagewood [mailto:dlhagewood@...]
>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:34 PM
>> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing
>>
>>
>> This is not the true meaning of lean manufacturing. Lean
>> manufacturing is improving your process, reducing your cycle times
>> and other things that you put effort into to reduce costs. All this
>> process is doing is pushing your responsibilities off onto your
>> suppliers and let them pay for your inefficiencies.
>>
>> You can make anything work. It's called "work arounds". Sure you
>> can find some companies that will be willing to supply you under
>> these conditions but usually they would have to be in great need of
>> the business and their ability to continue that relationship may be
>> in question.
>>
>> You can make it work by not placing a value on the products when they
>> come in and valueing them later through inventory cost adjustments.
>> Defeats the whole purpose of having a good/accurate system. Lots of
>> manual work. There goes the true meaning of "Lean Manufacturing".
>> Good luck in properly valueing your jobs/COS properly. Speaking as a
>> controller, if I was auditing your firm, I would have a problem with
>> the way you were valueing your inventory and question the correctness.
All,

Anyone utilize any Business Process Mapping or Value Stream Mapping Software
while working on a Lean Manufacturing initiative. Or for that matter any
other software you found useful when working in this arena. Any and all
recommendations, comments are welcome.

Patrick Winter




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Pat,

We are using MS Visio.

-----Original Message-----
From: pjw@... [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing


All,

Anyone utilize any Business Process Mapping or Value Stream Mapping Software
while working on a Lean Manufacturing initiative. Or for that matter any
other software you found useful when working in this arena. Any and all
recommendations, comments are welcome.

Patrick Winter




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Did you purchase any addition stencils or plugins, or just running it out of
the box.


Patrick Winter


-----Original Message-----
From: Doris Franco [mailto:dfranco@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:41 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing

Pat,

We are using MS Visio.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing


All,

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Patrick Winter




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At our last NEVUG meeting we had some people from a third party house that
specializes in implementing Lean Methods speak on this subject. Once you
get a method in place like Visio (probably a good choice, but we just did it
manually...) you'll need to develop metrics to use on a regular basis.
These guys have done lots of work with DataFlo and are now working with
Vantage. They are really just consultants who are targeting Vantage users,
and they might do a great job.

Vantage does capture lots of good raw info for Lean methods but you'd have
to develop some reporting to give you ongoing metrics. It depends on how
resourceful you are and how deep your pockets are :).

Lean is a continuous improvement project we're working on, but haven't
formalized the metrics yet. With Lean, the easy stuff will reduce your
inventory by 50% or more, but the deeper you go, the harder it gets, however
the results are good and go right to the bottom line.

Anybody else out there doing Lean and have input?

If you want contact info, let me know. I don't feel right giving these guys
a free commercial on this list.

Jeff Glaze
Decorated Products and NEVUG coordinator
413-568-0944 v
jglaze@...
Jeff,
I had them visit today. We looked over our processes. My main focus
is to establish a system of metrics to cover our broad manufaturing
platform. My other goal is to use Vantage and not another software
system, with the exception of readily available Excel. If you want
send me a note and I'll let you know how things progress.
Pat Maher
Espey Mfg.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Glaze <jglaze@d...> wrote:
> At our last NEVUG meeting we had some people from a third party
house that
> specializes in implementing Lean Methods speak on this subject.
Once you
> get a method in place like Visio (probably a good choice, but we
just did it
> manually...) you'll need to develop metrics to use on a regular
basis.
> These guys have done lots of work with DataFlo and are now working
with
> Vantage. They are really just consultants who are targeting
Vantage users,
> and they might do a great job.
>
> Vantage does capture lots of good raw info for Lean methods but
you'd have
> to develop some reporting to give you ongoing metrics. It depends
on how
> resourceful you are and how deep your pockets are :).
>
> Lean is a continuous improvement project we're working on, but
haven't
> formalized the metrics yet. With Lean, the easy stuff will reduce
your
> inventory by 50% or more, but the deeper you go, the harder it
gets, however
> the results are good and go right to the bottom line.
>
> Anybody else out there doing Lean and have input?
>
> If you want contact info, let me know. I don't feel right giving
these guys
> a free commercial on this list.
>
> Jeff Glaze
> Decorated Products and NEVUG coordinator
> 413-568-0944 v
> jglaze@d...
We use Smart Draw----we have Lean Manufacturing and I just finished
@ 150 Kanban Cards just for one new product line.
(In fact----one person uses Auto Cad----)
Ron

-----Original Me[Ron LaPean] ---- ssage-----
From: pjw@... [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing


All,

Anyone utilize any Business Process Mapping or Value Stream Mapping Software
while working on a Lean Manufacturing initiative. Or for that matter any
other software you found useful when working in this arena. Any and all
recommendations, comments are welcome.

Patrick Winter




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Extra Note....I remember using a Package called ProcessModel at my
last company and it did a nice job with Process Mapping and Flow Charting.
I have an old copy on my PC at Home....
Ron

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing


Did you purchase any addition stencils or plugins, or just running it out of
the box.


Patrick Winter


-----Original Message-----
From: Doris Franco [mailto:dfranco@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:41 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing

Pat,

We are using MS Visio.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing


All,

Anyone utilize any Business Process Mapping or Value Stream Mapping Software
while working on a Lean Manufacturing initiative. Or for that matter any
other software you found useful when working in this arena. Any and all
recommendations, comments are welcome.

Patrick Winter




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Can I get their Name for Here -
Ron LaPean
262-251-3200 x-128

-----Original Message-----
From: plmaher2001 [mailto:plmaher2001@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Lean Manufacturing


Jeff,
I had them visit today. We looked over our processes. My main focus
is to establish a system of metrics to cover our broad manufaturing
platform. My other goal is to use Vantage and not another software
system, with the exception of readily available Excel. If you want
send me a note and I'll let you know how things progress.
Pat Maher
Espey Mfg.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Glaze <jglaze@d...> wrote:
> At our last NEVUG meeting we had some people from a third party
house that
> specializes in implementing Lean Methods speak on this subject.
Once you
> get a method in place like Visio (probably a good choice, but we
just did it
> manually...) you'll need to develop metrics to use on a regular
basis.
> These guys have done lots of work with DataFlo and are now working
with
> Vantage. They are really just consultants who are targeting
Vantage users,
> and they might do a great job.
>
> Vantage does capture lots of good raw info for Lean methods but
you'd have
> to develop some reporting to give you ongoing metrics. It depends
on how
> resourceful you are and how deep your pockets are :).
>
> Lean is a continuous improvement project we're working on, but
haven't
> formalized the metrics yet. With Lean, the easy stuff will reduce
your
> inventory by 50% or more, but the deeper you go, the harder it
gets, however
> the results are good and go right to the bottom line.
>
> Anybody else out there doing Lean and have input?
>
> If you want contact info, let me know. I don't feel right giving
these guys
> a free commercial on this list.
>
> Jeff Glaze
> Decorated Products and NEVUG coordinator
> 413-568-0944 v
> jglaze@d...



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http://www.promodel.com/solutions/m
<http://www.promodel.com/solutions/m&lhome.asp> &lhome.asp

Extra information about a Software Package to do Process Mapping. I
used this to Flow Chart and allow the Software to
calculate the cost and time...then I would make changes (or do a
what -if) and review the time and cost.
Just for information
Ron
PS....Thanks Jeff for your help

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron LaPean [mailto:rlapean@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:22 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing


Extra Note....I remember using a Package called ProcessModel at my
last company and it did a nice job with Process Mapping and Flow Charting.
I have an old copy on my PC at Home....
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: pjw@... [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:25 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing


Did you purchase any addition stencils or plugins, or just running it out of
the box.


Patrick Winter


-----Original Message-----
From: Doris Franco [mailto:dfranco@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:41 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing

Pat,

We are using MS Visio.

-----Original Message-----
From: pjw@... [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Lean Manufacturing


All,

Anyone utilize any Business Process Mapping or Value Stream Mapping Software
while working on a Lean Manufacturing initiative. Or for that matter any
other software you found useful when working in this arena. Any and all
recommendations, comments are welcome.

Patrick Winter




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