Live labor data entry question, 6.1

Thanks to everyone for responding. It looks like we will go with
having the supervisors review the entries and make corrections
following each shift.

On a side note, I find it strange that Epicor did not factor
in "live" correction ability into "live" labor entry.

Thanks again,
Bill





--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "wmr_44129" <wrupert@...> wrote:
>
> We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop
floor
> with a small test group.
>
> It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but
rather
> have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day.
Does
> this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If
so,
> how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
> department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift
and
> make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that
they
> would like to share?
>
> Regards,
> Bill Rupert
> Production Manager
> Bardons & Oliver Inc.
>
We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.
Bill,



If you haven't already done so, make your accounting department aware
that the capture and post process must be done AFTER the data collection
errors have been corrected. Otherwise the LaborHed and LaborDtl will be
unalterable.



Email me direct and I will send you a progress report that your
supervisors can use to audit their workforce.



Steve Ashton

Database Specialist

Decoustics Limited

65 Disco Road

Toronto, Ontario

Canada M9W 1M2

T (416) 675-3983 x336

F (416) 679-8838

sashton@... <mailto:sashton@...>

Steve.Ashton2@...



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of wmr_44129
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1



We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.





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Yep this is what we do. Supervisors are to check labor before they
leave for the day. I have some one re-check all of labor before I run
capture for the month.





________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of wmr_44129
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1



We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.


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"Active" Data Collection entries can't be corrected until they're clocked off. But you can see who are Active when they shouldn't be and clock them off. Then you can correct them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "wmr_44129" <wrupert@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1


We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links




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We have the supervisors review the production the next morning because we also have a night shift. We use a daily production summary report that allows the supervisor to verify all the production completed for the day along with the employee's hours. It also identifies employees that are absent or who have not clocked out. They are required to have their adjust turned in by 7:30am.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Robisch [mailto:bluewine@...]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1



"Active" Data Collection entries can't be corrected until they're clocked off. But you can see who are Active when they shouldn't be and clock them off. Then you can correct them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "wmr_44129" < wrupert@bardonsoliv <mailto:wrupert%40bardonsoliver.com> er.com>
To: < vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1

We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

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I've never been able to get "employees that are absent or who have not
clocked out" to show up on a crystal report.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1



We have the supervisors review the production the next morning because
we also have a night shift. We use a daily production summary report
that allows the supervisor to verify all the production completed for
the day along with the employee's hours. It also identifies employees
that are absent or who have not clocked out. They are required to have
their adjust turned in by 7:30am.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Robisch [mailto:bluewine@...
<mailto:bluewine%40san.rr.com> ]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1

"Active" Data Collection entries can't be corrected until they're
clocked off. But you can see who are Active when they shouldn't be and
clock them off. Then you can correct them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "wmr_44129" < wrupert@bardonsoliv
<mailto:wrupert%40bardonsoliver.com> er.com>
To: < vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1

We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/> >
yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

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Steve,



Could you upload the report to the group? I would like to see if it
would help us.



Kathy Hambleton

Electron Energy Corporation





________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ashton, Steve
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1



Bill,

If you haven't already done so, make your accounting department aware
that the capture and post process must be done AFTER the data collection
errors have been corrected. Otherwise the LaborHed and LaborDtl will be
unalterable.

Email me direct and I will send you a progress report that your
supervisors can use to audit their workforce.

Steve Ashton

Database Specialist

Decoustics Limited

65 Disco Road

Toronto, Ontario

Canada M9W 1M2

T (416) 675-3983 x336

F (416) 679-8838

sashton@... <mailto:sashton%40decoustics.com>
<mailto:sashton@... <mailto:sashton%40decoustics.com> >

Steve.Ashton2@... <mailto:Steve.Ashton2%40saint-gobain.com>


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of wmr_44129
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1

We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.

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I edit weight counts and scrap entries of ended detail activities while users are still clocked in. I've created my own custom applications using the Labor Collector/Gateway to collect labor data. I scrapped the TT5's and designed my own front end application to populate the VTran.DBF file and use the Labor Collector to feed the information into Vantage. It works great and its designed as a touch screen app and also truly works with bar codes (using prefixes in the bar code identifies the data being scanned an populates the correct fields, not just a keyboard wedge that will place the barcode text in what ever field is currently selected. This is what Epicor calls supporting bar-coding, I guess with this logic one can say windows notepad supports bar-coding also).

Kind of a pity Epicor decided to dropped this with V8.x and trying to get bug fixes with the Labor Collector/Gateway is like pulling teeth with them even though we pay for support and according to them they still support ver 6.1 and the Labor Collector/Gateway is part of that support. After a few weeks of getting no where with my open incident, I wrote and sent them a block of code (4 lines actually and told them where it needs to be inserted) to fix the issue of not being able to clock into the same job at the same time on different machines (like one can do in Office Data Collection). They agreed to it, closed my incident, but I'm still waiting (three weeks) for them to put it in, compile it and send it back so I can test it. Nothing like paying for support but I have to write the fix code and then I can't even get them to compile it already.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Robisch
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1



"Active" Data Collection entries can't be corrected until they're clocked off. But you can see who are Active when they shouldn't be and clock them off. Then you can correct them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "wmr_44129" < wrupert@bardonsoliv <mailto:wrupert%40bardonsoliver.com> er.com>
To: < vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1

We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

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Yes, open labor cards cannot be edited. You can correct the time cards
the next day or shift. What I have always suggested is to print the
labor edit report daily and give it to the supv/leads to review and make
corrections.



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of wmr_44129
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1



We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.





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Done. It's called Labor Activity.PRL



Steve Ashton x336

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kathy Hambleton
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:14 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1



Steve,

Could you upload the report to the group? I would like to see if it
would help us.

Kathy Hambleton

Electron Energy Corporation

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Ashton, Steve
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:25 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1

Bill,

If you haven't already done so, make your accounting department aware
that the capture and post process must be done AFTER the data collection
errors have been corrected. Otherwise the LaborHed and LaborDtl will be
unalterable.

Email me direct and I will send you a progress report that your
supervisors can use to audit their workforce.

Steve Ashton

Database Specialist

Decoustics Limited

65 Disco Road

Toronto, Ontario

Canada M9W 1M2

T (416) 675-3983 x336

F (416) 679-8838

sashton@... <mailto:sashton%40decoustics.com>
<mailto:sashton%40decoustics.com>
<mailto:sashton@... <mailto:sashton%40decoustics.com>
<mailto:sashton%40decoustics.com> >

Steve.Ashton2@... <mailto:Steve.Ashton2%40saint-gobain.com>
<mailto:Steve.Ashton2%40saint-gobain.com>

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of wmr_44129
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1

We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.

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I'm sure how to do it on crystal but I was did it on report builder. If you want to a copy of it let me know.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul V. Blais [mailto:pblais@...]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:55 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1



I've never been able to get "employees that are absent or who have not
clocked out" to show up on a crystal report.

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com [mailto: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On Behalf
Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:41 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1

We have the supervisors review the production the next morning because
we also have a night shift. We use a daily production summary report
that allows the supervisor to verify all the production completed for
the day along with the employee's hours. It also identifies employees
that are absent or who have not clocked out. They are required to have
their adjust turned in by 7:30am.

Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Robisch [mailto: bluewine@san. <mailto:bluewine%40san.rr.com> rr.com
<mailto:bluewine%40san.rr.com> ]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:27 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1

"Active" Data Collection entries can't be corrected until they're
clocked off. But you can see who are Active when they shouldn't be and
clock them off. Then you can correct them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "wmr_44129" < wrupert@bardonsoliv
<mailto:wrupert%40bardonsoliver.com> er.com>
To: < vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Live labor data entry question, 6.1

We are getting started with live labor data entry on our shop floor
with a small test group.

It appears that entry mistakes can not be corrected live, but rather
have to be changed once the employee has logged out for the day. Does
this sound accurate to anyone else logging labor entries live? If so,
how do you handle corrections? Our intial thought is to have the
department supervisor review all entries at the end of the shift and
make the necessary corrections. Does anyone have other ideas that they
would like to share?

Regards,
Bill Rupert
Production Manager
Bardons & Oliver Inc.

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.
< http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.> yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
< http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/> yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/> >
yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.
< http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages> yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>
yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups. < http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links> yahoo.com/group/vantage/links>
yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
Yahoo! Groups Links

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