MRP & Scheduling

If you are just experiencing this problem since upgrading to the .803I patch and demand conditions similar to what you describe occurred before the "I" patch (AND the previous version's MRP handled them appropriately) - it is an "I" patch bug.

All this is based upon the assumption that the Part in question has it's Plant Min O/H (and/or Safety) set to zero (as Min O/H or Safety > 0 would drive MRP to suggest additional time phased Unfirmed Jobs to meet the customer demand AND have you end up with the Min O/H+Safety quantity covered).

Even though the Part IS a Stocked Part, I still suggest linking the 50 pc Job to the 5 (10 pc each) Sales Order/Line item/Delivery schedules.

That shouldn't be necessary based upon the scenario you presented - but the results of this little (harmless) experiment might reveal further clues as to why MRP is misbehaving on .803I.

That might help you to resolve it internally or provide Epicor with additional useful info if you decide it is a bug and you report it to Epicor.



vandertop26 <josh_vtop@...> wrote: As I mentioned (way at the end of my original post) all of our
manufacturing is make to stock. The part is a stock part, the sales
orders are not marked as make direct and the demand links on the jobs
are to inventory, not the sales order. All 50 parts (including the
first 10) are made to and shipped from inventory.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Smith" <CSmith@...> wrote:
>
> Your intent is now to make all 50 at one time (10 tied to the demand of
> the sales order with 40 placed into stock for future releases). Now
> that you have firmed up the job, you have a decision to make. Update the
> sales order releases 2-5 by changing the make direct flag or change the
> job demand by removing the make to stock and add the demand of the 2-5
> releases. MRP needs to know what you have decided. Right now it thinks
> you want to do an over run and stick it into inventory, but you still
> want to create jobs to cover the other releases because the part is a
> non-stock part.
>
>
>
> Charlie Smith
>
> Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
>
> www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> www.2WTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of vandertop26
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:37 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] MRP & Scheduling
>
>
>
> I have the following scenario:
> -A sales order for multiple releases of the same part (for example 5
> releases, 10 parts per release, all 1 week apart) -MRP runs and suggests
> 5 jobs (one for each release) all scheduled 1 week apart - our
> manufacturing desires to build all 50 parts at one time to save on setup
> costs, etc. so the first job quantity is modified from the suggested 10
> parts to the desired 50 parts. This job quantity modification will
> produce the total required parts (5 releases of 10 parts = a total of 50
> parts). The job is firmed, scheduled to meet the first release
> requirements, engineering & released. - material procurement and
> manufacturing floor scheduling is not a problem - The problem is that
> when MRP runs again there are job suggestions for the releases 2 through
> 5 again. Basically ignoring that there will be existing stock available
> at the release date due to the extra quantity added to the first job.
>
> Background Info:
> -We recently installed the "I" patch to bring us up to 8.03.305I
> -All of our production parts are built to stock and we then ship from
> stock
>
>
>
>
>
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>






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I have the following scenario:
-A sales order for multiple releases of the same part (for example 5
releases, 10 parts per release, all 1 week apart)
-MRP runs and suggests 5 jobs (one for each release) all scheduled 1
week apart
-our manufacturing desires to build all 50 parts at one time to save
on setup costs, etc. so the first job quantity is modified from the
suggested 10 parts to the desired 50 parts. This job quantity
modification will produce the total required parts (5 releases of 10
parts = a total of 50 parts). The job is firmed, scheduled to meet
the first release requirements, engineering & released.
-material procurement and manufacturing floor scheduling is not a problem
-The problem is that when MRP runs again there are job suggestions for
the releases 2 through 5 again. Basically ignoring that there will be
existing stock available at the release date due to the extra quantity
added to the first job

Background Info:
-We recently installed the "I" patch to bring us up to 8.03.305I
-All of our production parts are built to stock and we then ship from
stock
Your intent is now to make all 50 at one time (10 tied to the demand of
the sales order with 40 placed into stock for future releases). Now
that you have firmed up the job, you have a decision to make. Update the
sales order releases 2-5 by changing the make direct flag or change the
job demand by removing the make to stock and add the demand of the 2-5
releases. MRP needs to know what you have decided. Right now it thinks
you want to do an over run and stick it into inventory, but you still
want to create jobs to cover the other releases because the part is a
non-stock part.



Charlie Smith

Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC

www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
www.2WTech.com







From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of vandertop26
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: [Vantage] MRP & Scheduling



I have the following scenario:
-A sales order for multiple releases of the same part (for example 5
releases, 10 parts per release, all 1 week apart) -MRP runs and suggests
5 jobs (one for each release) all scheduled 1 week apart - our
manufacturing desires to build all 50 parts at one time to save on setup
costs, etc. so the first job quantity is modified from the suggested 10
parts to the desired 50 parts. This job quantity modification will
produce the total required parts (5 releases of 10 parts = a total of 50
parts). The job is firmed, scheduled to meet the first release
requirements, engineering & released. - material procurement and
manufacturing floor scheduling is not a problem - The problem is that
when MRP runs again there are job suggestions for the releases 2 through
5 again. Basically ignoring that there will be existing stock available
at the release date due to the extra quantity added to the first job.

Background Info:
-We recently installed the "I" patch to bring us up to 8.03.305I
-All of our production parts are built to stock and we then ship from
stock





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Is the sold (sales order with 5 distinct releases) Part you are trying to make on a single Job a Non-Stock Part?

If not, it sounds like an MRP bug in 8.03.305I.

If the Part is Non-Stock, the Job Order Wizard (if invoked) in Sales Order Entry would create 5 'Make Direct' Jobs, each in the exact qty needed to fulfill each release, each Due the same day you have schedled the releases to ship, and all Jobs linked to the corresponding sales order release. On a Non-Stock Part (that has Process MRP checked on the Plant/Detail tab), MRP may also see the Part's multiple demands as needing to be fulfilled JIT and in the exact qty needed.

Try going to Job Manager, loading the Part being made, and then manually linking your single 50 pc Job to all five 10 pc Sales Order Line Releases.

That may convince MRP that no Unfirm orders are needed.



vandertop26 <josh_vtop@...> wrote:
I have the following scenario:
-A sales order for multiple releases of the same part (for example 5
releases, 10 parts per release, all 1 week apart)
-MRP runs and suggests 5 jobs (one for each release) all scheduled 1
week apart
-our manufacturing desires to build all 50 parts at one time to save
on setup costs, etc. so the first job quantity is modified from the
suggested 10 parts to the desired 50 parts. This job quantity
modification will produce the total required parts (5 releases of 10
parts = a total of 50 parts). The job is firmed, scheduled to meet
the first release requirements, engineering & released.
-material procurement and manufacturing floor scheduling is not a problem
-The problem is that when MRP runs again there are job suggestions for
the releases 2 through 5 again. Basically ignoring that there will be
existing stock available at the release date due to the extra quantity
added to the first job

Background Info:
-We recently installed the "I" patch to bring us up to 8.03.305I
-All of our production parts are built to stock and we then ship from
stock






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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
As I mentioned (way at the end of my original post) all of our
manufacturing is make to stock. The part is a stock part, the sales
orders are not marked as make direct and the demand links on the jobs
are to inventory, not the sales order. All 50 parts (including the
first 10) are made to and shipped from inventory.


--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Smith" <CSmith@...> wrote:
>
> Your intent is now to make all 50 at one time (10 tied to the demand of
> the sales order with 40 placed into stock for future releases). Now
> that you have firmed up the job, you have a decision to make. Update the
> sales order releases 2-5 by changing the make direct flag or change the
> job demand by removing the make to stock and add the demand of the 2-5
> releases. MRP needs to know what you have decided. Right now it thinks
> you want to do an over run and stick it into inventory, but you still
> want to create jobs to cover the other releases because the part is a
> non-stock part.
>
>
>
> Charlie Smith
>
> Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
>
> www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> /
> www.2WTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of vandertop26
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:37 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] MRP & Scheduling
>
>
>
> I have the following scenario:
> -A sales order for multiple releases of the same part (for example 5
> releases, 10 parts per release, all 1 week apart) -MRP runs and suggests
> 5 jobs (one for each release) all scheduled 1 week apart - our
> manufacturing desires to build all 50 parts at one time to save on setup
> costs, etc. so the first job quantity is modified from the suggested 10
> parts to the desired 50 parts. This job quantity modification will
> produce the total required parts (5 releases of 10 parts = a total of 50
> parts). The job is firmed, scheduled to meet the first release
> requirements, engineering & released. - material procurement and
> manufacturing floor scheduling is not a problem - The problem is that
> when MRP runs again there are job suggestions for the releases 2 through
> 5 again. Basically ignoring that there will be existing stock available
> at the release date due to the extra quantity added to the first job.
>
> Background Info:
> -We recently installed the "I" patch to bring us up to 8.03.305I
> -All of our production parts are built to stock and we then ship from
> stock
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Hi,



I would set the Minimum lot size to 50 parts in the part master MRP
settings. Without that, MRP thinks you want to create an unfirm job for each
release it finds.



Dan Clifton

NWSM



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
vandertop26
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:32 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: MRP & Scheduling



As I mentioned (way at the end of my original post) all of our
manufacturing is make to stock. The part is a stock part, the sales
orders are not marked as make direct and the demand links on the jobs
are to inventory, not the sales order. All 50 parts (including the
first 10) are made to and shipped from inventory.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Charlie
Smith" <CSmith@...> wrote:
>
> Your intent is now to make all 50 at one time (10 tied to the demand of
> the sales order with 40 placed into stock for future releases). Now
> that you have firmed up the job, you have a decision to make. Update the
> sales order releases 2-5 by changing the make direct flag or change the
> job demand by removing the make to stock and add the demand of the 2-5
> releases. MRP needs to know what you have decided. Right now it thinks
> you want to do an over run and stick it into inventory, but you still
> want to create jobs to cover the other releases because the part is a
> non-stock part.
>
>
>
> Charlie Smith
>
> Smith Business Services / 2W Technologies LLC
>
> www.vistaconsultant.com <http://www.vistacon
<http://www.vistaconsultant.com/> sultant.com/> /
> www.2WTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf
> Of vandertop26
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:37 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] MRP & Scheduling
>
>
>
> I have the following scenario:
> -A sales order for multiple releases of the same part (for example 5
> releases, 10 parts per release, all 1 week apart) -MRP runs and suggests
> 5 jobs (one for each release) all scheduled 1 week apart - our
> manufacturing desires to build all 50 parts at one time to save on setup
> costs, etc. so the first job quantity is modified from the suggested 10
> parts to the desired 50 parts. This job quantity modification will
> produce the total required parts (5 releases of 10 parts = a total of 50
> parts). The job is firmed, scheduled to meet the first release
> requirements, engineering & released. - material procurement and
> manufacturing floor scheduling is not a problem - The problem is that
> when MRP runs again there are job suggestions for the releases 2 through
> 5 again. Basically ignoring that there will be existing stock available
> at the release date due to the extra quantity added to the first job.
>
> Background Info:
> -We recently installed the "I" patch to bring us up to 8.03.305I
> -All of our production parts are built to stock and we then ship from
> stock
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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